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(New York Magazine)   If Jack Lew is confirmed as Treasury secretary, he's either going to have to change his penmanship or US dollar bills are going to start bearing the most craptacular signature ever   (nymag.com) divider line 158
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2013-01-09 05:22:44 PM  
O_o laughs hysterically...
 
2013-01-09 05:23:32 PM  

pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.


Maybe I'm completely missing the point, but a signature isn't supposed to be legible so much as it's supposed to be consistent, hard to replicate, and identifiable based on a known sample (not that any one ever has any reason to bother). A sort of random looking scribble can be that, a loopy line that I can draw right now having looked at it for 15 seconds, not so much.

Thisbymaster: Well the next generation isn't being taught how to write in cursive so this is only going to get worse.


I acknowledge that you're trolling, but now that everyone can type almost as fast as they can think cursive is pretty pointless.
 
2013-01-09 05:24:19 PM  

Archae hippy: pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.

In my state it only legal to write our your ENTIRE (first, middle, and last) name when buying a house, no shortcuts. The lawyer was definitely prepared for this, he basically instructed me "not your signature, just write it our in cursive", knowing the two are rarely the same.


Huh. NC has some odd laws then, although I'd love a citation on this one. Mass. law would handle it differently.
 
2013-01-09 05:24:53 PM  
That's a great signature. Mine is usually just a big M sometimes it even has extra humps.
 
2013-01-09 05:25:19 PM  

It's Me Bender: I'll just leave this here.,..
[galeri5.uludagsozluk.com image 570x559]

commonwealcuckoos.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-09 05:25:41 PM  

Kilroy Evans: tnpir: Am I the only who found the caption on TFA picture hilarious?

You are not. That was great.


Best part of the article.
 
2013-01-09 05:26:17 PM  
His penmanship may suck, but I heard a story about Jack Lew on NPR a few weeks ago. Apparently, Boehner and Cantor don't like negotiating with him because he's too smart for their wharrgarble.

That's reason enough for me to confirm him.
 
2013-01-09 05:32:08 PM  
For comparison's sake

http://www.uspapermoney.info/sign/secretaries.html

Henry H Fowler FTW
 
2013-01-09 05:34:41 PM  
a.abcnews.com
 
2013-01-09 05:34:55 PM  
www.vintoniowa.org
 
2013-01-09 05:35:15 PM  

dickfreckle: /she also didn't remind me to take off my baseball cap, so now my license is apparently issue to a retard in a New Orleans Saints hat who can't write his own name


Must be a lot of those going around.
 
2013-01-09 05:36:29 PM  

pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.


I thought the whole point of a signature was that it was a signifier for the person signing? As in, any jackass could just sign someone's name and not actually be that person, but a signature is something unique to the individual and more difficult to forge. In defense of all the Bank guys you've dealt with, there's usually a spot on a legal document to print the signee's names, and it's sort of assumed that the signature in all the different spots is done by the signee mentioned in the document.
 
2013-01-09 05:36:35 PM  
It's not like the signature is the only unforgeable part of the bill, you know.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:56 PM  
I think his signature is hilarious! Can't wait to see it on money.
 
2013-01-09 05:39:46 PM  

pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.


People make comments on my signature all the time. One cashier actually cleared mine off the digital pad and told me to use my real one. I said it was and showed her my license and FOID card.

Everyone says I made it up but when I write my name in cursive next to my signature is when they can suddenly see the J,q, and s. it just mutated along the years.

Someone once asked if it would change should I get married and change my last name. I really don't know.
 
2013-01-09 05:41:15 PM  
groppet:

Wow that signature makes me look like a master caligrapher(sp)

I don't get it. My signature might be sloppy and almost indecipherable but you can clearly make out my initials and a letter or two in each name. My general handwriting ain't much better since I bought a computer ~20 years ago: I used to be able to write in cursive very legibly, but lack of practice makes imperfect.

Can this guy really write? Can he even read?
 
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2013-01-09 05:41:33 PM  
discrimination lawsuit or what?

and yes, i am anti semetic
 
2013-01-09 05:41:48 PM  

Nehllah: I acknowledge that you're trolling, but now that everyone can type almost as fast as they can think cursive is pretty pointless.


When modern Americans think of cursive, they imagine that they're part of a long unbroken cultural tradition going back hundreds of years. They see a loss of cursive as a loss of cultural tradition; we are abandoning the handwriting of our forefathers.

But what we think of as cursive was basically just a number of different scripts that were developed by educators in the late 19th century because they were a suitable match for the type of fountain pens that were available to students at the time, and because the body motions used to teach those scripts matched whatever crackpot theories of industrial education the creators happened to believe in.

What I'm saying is that cursive has existed only because of false nostalgia since the invention of the ball point pen.
 
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2013-01-09 05:44:32 PM  
i wonder if beryankme will be replaced by another.
 
2013-01-09 05:48:00 PM  
Also when I first started at my job the director told me I had to change my signature to make it legible in case I ever had to sign court documents or whatever.

I refused and said that would probably only cause more problems should the validity of my signature ever come into question. May as well stay consistent and know it is mine.

FWIW, I have beautiful penmanship.
 
2013-01-09 05:49:36 PM  
If I was Secretary the signature would look like it was written in crayon by a 4 year old.
 
2013-01-09 05:53:58 PM  

Archae hippy: pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.

In my state it only legal to write our your ENTIRE (first, middle, and last) name when buying a house, no shortcuts. The lawyer was definitely prepared for this, he basically instructed me "not your signature, just write it our in cursive", knowing the two are rarely the same.


This is so annoying. I ended up writing my middle name as connected print letters because I can't remember how to do all the letters in cursive. Especially the upper case one.
 
2013-01-09 05:56:17 PM  
Rirruto?
 
2013-01-09 05:56:28 PM  
Ego edo infantia cattus:
img811.imageshack.us

Wow. The government's obviously out of original ideas.
 
2013-01-09 05:56:50 PM  
Lew could change us over to the Lev, Bulgaria's special currency. While the bills today have a readable signature, the old commie ones didn't.

thedesigninspiration.com

www.shopbulgaria.com
 
2013-01-09 05:59:49 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

\ I am disappoint
\\that it took this long to see this pic
 
2013-01-09 06:00:39 PM  
I read 'craptacular' as 'caterpillar' surprised by the accuracy.
 
2013-01-09 06:02:36 PM  
If the only thing anyone can find to complain about is the guy's signature, fark it. Sign him up.

Who gives a rat's ass?
 
2013-01-09 06:05:17 PM  

BitwiseShift: Lew could change us over to the Lev, Bulgaria's special currency. While the bills today have a readable signature, the old commie ones didn't.

[thedesigninspiration.com image 552x269]

[www.shopbulgaria.com image 611x300]


Guy on the bill in top pic has bacon chin. Tasty, crispy bacon chin.
 
2013-01-09 06:06:27 PM  

911Jenny: Someone once asked if it would change should I get married and change my last name. I really don't know.


I tacked on a pathetic attempt at my new last name to mine. After a year it started to look like the rest of my signature.
 
2013-01-09 06:06:50 PM  
Stop making dollar bills, make $1 coins instead. Problem solved. You're welcome. For bonus points, eliminate the penny, and maybe the nickel too.
 
2013-01-09 06:08:05 PM  
If I could imagine it, I'd think "Ghetto pubes".
 
2013-01-09 06:11:25 PM  
Wow, and I thought mine was bad. In one way it is so bad that it would be kind of awesome to see that on our currency. Pretty much sums up the current state of our government.
 
2013-01-09 06:12:28 PM  
I used to know an older mentally disabled woman. She would write me letters which basically consisted of repeated Jack Lew signatures of varying lengths.
 
2013-01-09 06:14:58 PM  
I can't remember cursive so my signature is just a sloppy print version of my name.
/also forgot long division
 
2013-01-09 06:15:09 PM  

Skwrl: pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.

Banker didn't know his stuff - the answer is "your signature".

With respect to the promissory note, UCC 3-401 validated your chicken scratch signature, even if it was just an "X". UCC 3-401 states "(b) A signature may be made . . . (ii) by the use of any name, including a trade or assumed name, or by a word, mark, or symbol executed or adopted by a person with present intention to authenticate a writing. . ." With respect to a lot of the other instruments, it's covered by state law, but I'm not aware of any state law that requires a signature to be legible letters...


IIRC, states don't have to adopt the UCC as it's written. They can modify it to suit the needs of the state.

Also, what does Article 3 have to do with mortgages?
 
2013-01-09 06:17:44 PM  
He'll change. Geitner did.
www.marketplace.org
 
2013-01-09 06:29:38 PM  
What use are those signatures on credit card machines? I purposely make the most unintelligible scribble I can.
The technology exists that every one of those could be a thumbprint reader, it would do away with a massive amount of CC fraud.
 
2013-01-09 06:29:52 PM  

Nehllah: Thisbymaster: Well the next generation isn't being taught how to write in cursive so this is only going to get worse.

I acknowledge that you're trolling, but now that everyone can type almost as fast as they can think cursive is pretty pointless.


Since they are no longer writing with quills and ink or fountain pens, cursive is pretty farking pointless. Better to teach them to properly and efficiently use a keyboard.
 
2013-01-09 06:33:24 PM  
 
2013-01-09 06:38:28 PM  

mercator_psi: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 500x536]

I love you SO MUCH right now.


I know.

/"You'll be the first to die!"

I hope so.
 
2013-01-09 06:46:01 PM  

CipollinaFan: Thisbymaster: Well the next generation isn't being taught how to write in cursive so this is only going to get worse.

Cursive is kind of unnecessary.


For a few hundred years, it's been the dominant form of written english. It's still in regular use by a whole hell of a lot of people, myself included, and learning to write cursive is how you learn to read it. It's necessary.

And yes, I write in cursive. I actually switched back to it fairly recently, when I realized that I often link letters anyway when printing, and that my cursive handwriting looks a whole hell of a lot better than my print does. If you can't read it, that's your problem, not mine.
 
2013-01-09 06:47:56 PM  

pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.


Mine has a sort-of 'M', and the rest is a scrawl. Nobody has told me that they won't accept it yet, and it's been this way for 15 years or more.
 
2013-01-09 06:58:58 PM  

The Larch: Nehllah: I acknowledge that you're trolling, but now that everyone can type almost as fast as they can think cursive is pretty pointless.

When modern Americans think of cursive, they imagine that they're part of a long unbroken cultural tradition going back hundreds of years. They see a loss of cursive as a loss of cultural tradition; we are abandoning the handwriting of our forefathers.

But what we think of as cursive was basically just a number of different scripts that were developed by educators in the late 19th century because they were a suitable match for the type of fountain pens that were available to students at the time, and because the body motions used to teach those scripts matched whatever crackpot theories of industrial education the creators happened to believe in.

What I'm saying is that cursive has existed only because of false nostalgia since the invention of the ball point pen.


Wrong. STANDARDIZED Cursive has only existed since the late 19th Century. People before that still wrote in cursive script, it's just that the exact choice of how to write various letters varied from person to person- see John Hancock's J upthread. My cursive isn't precisely standard, either- I hate the loopy A in the standard script, so I use one that looks pretty much like the one the Braves use on their hat. My S doesn't have that diagonal line and loop at the top, and some of my letter to letter transitions join with a point rather than the smooth hump that the standard form tells you to use. Cursive isn't used because of nostalgia or whatever, it's just a very practical and efficient way to write.


wingnut396: Nehllah: Thisbymaster: Well the next generation isn't being taught how to write in cursive so this is only going to get worse.

I acknowledge that you're trolling, but now that everyone can type almost as fast as they can think cursive is pretty pointless.

Since they are no longer writing with quills and ink or fountain pens, cursive is pretty farking pointless. Better to teach them to properly and efficiently use a keyboard.


Because all written communication ever will be done with a computer and a keyboard? Hate to break it to ya, but while typing is obviously the dominant form of writing today, handwriting will never, ever, go away. And yes, knowing how to read the system of handwriting that has dominated for centuries because it can create a fairly neat result easily and quickly is a pretty damn useful skill.
 
2013-01-09 06:59:13 PM  

pudding7: Sounds like a conversation I've had the few times we've refinanced our mortgage.

Bank guy: "sign your name everywhere there's a tab"
Me: "do you want my signature or do you want me to sign my name?"
Bank guy: "Huh?"
Me: "Well, my signature is illegible and no longer has much to do with the letters in my name.  Or I could just write my name in cursive, but that's not really my signature.  Which do you want?"
Bank guy: "Uhm...."

I think we've refinance three times, and each time they seem completely unprepared for this situation.  I can't be the only one who's signature looks nothing like their name.


I was actually told by the lawyers to not put my legal initials on my mortgage. My "initials" on everything since HS have been C2 and not the first letter of my first, middle, and last names. I told them OK, but if I was ever questioned under oath if these "pointing to the three letters they wanted me to write" were my initials, I would have to answer no. I then proceeded to put those letters at the 47 hundred places it was wanted.
 
2013-01-09 07:01:21 PM  
Who the fark even looks at the signature on their money?
 
2013-01-09 07:07:55 PM  
I think it looks cool.
 
2013-01-09 07:14:17 PM  
I sign my first name beautifully. But then, when I sign my last name it looks like a kindergartner did it. Always has. My last name is just a bunch of looping letters in a row, tbh it looks like jack lew's signature upside down.
 
2013-01-09 07:14:30 PM  
I used to be able to sign my name in cursive just fine, until one trip overseas when I had to countersign about 40 travelers cheques in a row. Something broke that day and I've never been able to easily write my name in cursive since. In fact, my signature has gotten progressively more minimalist with time. Only the capital L in my first name is consistently recognizable any more.

/usually write in a highly connected print
//even there I've begun to scrawl through words and drop parts of letters
 
2013-01-09 07:15:18 PM  
Oh, and fwiw I like Lew's signature as is.
 
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