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(IGN)   "Cause one dog ain't enough, and two is too low, it's me, Three Dog. Greetings to everyone in the Capital Wasteland. Bethesda just called your favorite disc jockey in to discuss bringing more dog to ya. What's a disc? I don't care, but more to come"   (ign.com) divider line 155
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2013-01-09 04:43:22 PM  

Practical_Draconian: If I'm not mistaken, the Fallout games are all set within decades of each other or happening at the same time as the others. Aside from the New California Republic post Fallout 2 and possibly Boston, most of the wasteland is still in survival mode.


I think Fallout 1 was set far earlier than 2&3.

It's still not super-realistic.  Hell, even nature or weather should have overrun a lot of that shiat after 200 years.

But whatever.  It's fun to me.  I like the setting.
 
2013-01-09 04:44:26 PM  

pute kisses like a man: bikerific: sure haven't: Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?

Yeah, something like that that for me too. Loved FO3, but just couldn't get into New Vegas. I just kind of trailed off before even getting to Vegas. Maybe the inventory and food management was just that bit more complicated where it seemed like work.

i loved FO3, but preferred the game play of FNV.

so, i modded FNV with "requiem for a capital wasteland". now I can play FO3 in FNV. there's a portal to go from one map to the other, and contemporaneously complete both quests. you need both games and a little bit of luck to get it to work, and expect bugs with the dlc. but, pretty fun running around point lookout with my gun runner's arsenal.

/ i have re-played the fallout games more than perhaps any other game since vampire the masquerade: bloodlines. still the best action/rpg.


Tale of Two Wastelands is still in development. It's RFCW but with a different team. Keep an eye on that for the future.
 
2013-01-09 04:46:35 PM  
I think the only way to play FO3 is to avoid the main story line quest. The first time I played it I followed the main quest and ended up finishing the game surprisingly quickly. Didn't see even 20% of what was in the game and didn't even reach 10th level.
 
2013-01-09 04:46:46 PM  

roc6783: kroonermanblack: ***snip***


//Currently replaying Shining Force 1 on a Genesis Collection for the 360. I wont play Skyrim without mods, but because of logistics, it is much easier to just play on the 360.


FTFM
 
2013-01-09 04:48:51 PM  

red5ish: I think the only way to play FO3 is to avoid the main story line quest. The first time I played it I followed the main quest and ended up finishing the game surprisingly quickly. Didn't see even 20% of what was in the game and didn't even reach 10th level.


Or at least get Broken Steel (though that has its own problems) so you can keep playing after the end.
 
2013-01-09 04:49:34 PM  
Unless this is a prequel, he'll have to introduce his songs from the giant hole where his head used to be. I shot his face off after he wouldn't tell me where my dad went.

/I don't play nice
 
2013-01-09 04:52:34 PM  

Treygreen13: Unless this is a prequel, he'll have to introduce his songs from the giant hole where his head used to be. I shot his face off after he wouldn't tell me where my dad went.

/I don't play nice


Apparently, I'm a big ol' softie.  I usually end up being a more-or-less nice guy.
 
2013-01-09 04:55:23 PM  
This is kind of an aside, but out of sheer curiosity, those of you who played through The Pitt in FO3, who'd you decide to side with?

Everyone sucked, but in the end, I basically shrugged and decided 'fark slavers, though,' and wasted everyone in charge.
 
2013-01-09 04:57:08 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: Unless this is a prequel, he'll have to introduce his songs from the giant hole where his head used to be. I shot his face off after he wouldn't tell me where my dad went.

/I don't play nice

Apparently, I'm a big ol' softie.  I usually end up being a more-or-less nice guy.


I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.
 
2013-01-09 04:59:08 PM  

Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.


I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.
 
2013-01-09 05:03:26 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.

I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.


Same here. I never did things the evil way. I need to try it. I also wanted to do a Speechmaster and do all the dialogue options to persuade people. Never saw what happened with high persuasion.
 
2013-01-09 05:04:01 PM  

Kirby Muxloe: As long as they don't bring over their software testers... F:NV is of pitiful (software) quality.


For consoles? I played both on PC and while they were both rather unstable FO3 was worse probably because NV had the advantage of having a few more kinks worked out from the start. Either way I blame the engine, because Oblivion was also pretty unstable and that's been retired.

Mostly I thought the atmosphere made more sense. A post apocalyptic Nevada is still going to be a desert. A post apocalyptic Washington DC is probably going to revert to a swampy forest. They did that with Point Lookout or whatever it was called but the rest of the game was too grey/brown.

/agree with people about the time since the war. That 200 year old canned food and box-o-noodles is gone, man.
 
2013-01-09 05:04:21 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Same here. I never did things the evil way. I need to try it. I also wanted to do a Speechmaster and do all the dialogue options to persuade people. Never saw what happened with high persuasion.


I always go with high Speech.  Mostly, though, because it was so goddamn handy in the original.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:37 PM  

sjmcc13: Surfrock66: Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.

No, He goe the quote wrong...
"What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway. "


Took a lot of posts for someone to finally go "That's not how the quote ends."

But now I can leave satisfied.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:49 PM  

Relatively Obscure: This is kind of an aside, but out of sheer curiosity, those of you who played through The Pitt in FO3, who'd you decide to side with?

Everyone sucked, but in the end, I basically shrugged and decided 'fark slavers, though,' and wasted everyone in charge.


I sided with the workers, as I had already made strong enemies with the slavers back in DC. But, yeah, the situation sucked. Should have moved everyone out and replaced them with ghouls.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:58 PM  

pute kisses like a man:

/ i have re-played the fallout games more than perhaps any other game since vampire the masquerade: bloodlines. still the best action/rpg.


Vampire: Bloodlines. Great story and character building, but cursed with a ton of bugs and a lack of action for the most part. Plus I wasn't impressed with the mods - got a Tzimisce mod that made you nothing more than a Toreador vamp with a few Gangrel powers. C'mon, I wanted that Hollywood freak's demon look or at least his alternate form.

BTW, had to download better male and female body graphics mods for my last playthrough of Fallout New Vegas. Tried roleplaying as a tribal using melee attacks and the Honest Hearts DLC armors; got tired of running around and slapping people with my "webbed meat paws." Tried a hand-to-hand mod in Skyrim and noticed the models had the same bad art on the extremeties too. Bethesda could use someone who knows how to draw hands and feet better.

Also, melee attacks in Fallout can be seriously overpowered. Died less than I did using energy weapons or guns.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:11 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.

I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.


Nice is much more profitable than asshole. You quickly run out of allies and trading partners if you're an asshole, and you still have to fight the enclave and the raiders.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:41 PM  

yukichigai: kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with R

Well if Fallout 4 does take place in The Commonwealth, then that could be the site of your new buildings and construction. The Commonwealth was the same government that created androids realistic enough to go rogue in Fallout 3. That level of technological advancement means they could probably put up a building or two.


Nope. If it really is in Boston, they're still waiting for building permits filed in 2077. About the only thing in Boston that would survive a nuclear blast is the city's bureaucracy.

/go Pats!
//I really really hope FO4 is in Beantown!
 
2013-01-09 05:12:29 PM  
Is the Fallout 3 DLC worth it? I have the collector's edition of FO3 but Microsoft Games for Windows still wants $20 for the add-ons

Thought about picking the GOTY edition on Steam but it never went on sale last month.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:58 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.

I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.

Same here. I never did things the evil way. I need to try it. I also wanted to do a Speechmaster and do all the dialogue options to persuade people. Never saw what happened with high persuasion.


I always end up roughly neutral, because I'll be playing at 2 a.m. after a few too many drinks and someone will piss me off and I blow them away. I tried being evil on my first playthrough of Skyrim, just stealing and killing everyone I could, and my bounties in the holds went so high so fast, and I had no one but a few hunters with a few scraps of gold to trade with. Sucked.
 
2013-01-09 05:16:04 PM  
My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)
 
2013-01-09 05:16:20 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Is the Fallout 3 DLC worth it? I have the collector's edition of FO3 but Microsoft Games for Windows still wants $20 for the add-ons

Thought about picking the GOTY edition on Steam but it never went on sale last month.


I enjoyed The Pitt, Point Lookout is pretty big, though I didn't really like the Hillbilly Supermutants and shiat.  I had a blast in Operation: Anchorage for some reason (though, again, makes Outcasts easy to hate), and Broken Steel is nice in that it expands your level cap and lets you play past the end of the game, but it seems to come with its own special collection of interesting bugs (some of which are inadvertently helpful).
 
2013-01-09 05:16:56 PM  
Oops, meant to add that I haven't done the alien ship one.
 
2013-01-09 05:17:34 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Is the Fallout 3 DLC worth it? I have the collector's edition of FO3 but Microsoft Games for Windows still wants $20 for the add-ons

Thought about picking the GOTY edition on Steam but it never went on sale last month.


Broken Steel is a must. It continues where the main quest left off and raises the level cap. The Pitt was kind of odd. Had some cool weapons, I just couldn't get into it. Mothership Zeta was crazy but a lot of fun. Especially if you went and did that one early, then brought the weapons back to DC with you. Point Lookout was kind of lackluster for me. Operation Anchorage was ....odd. It turned FO3 into more of an arcade shooter than an RPG. The gear was worth it and it was pretty short. Just strange.
 
2013-01-09 05:18:20 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)


i7.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 05:19:53 PM  

Relatively Obscure: ToastTheRabbit: My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)


Ign screen capped my tweets with dellums for their story on this.

Is @toast the rabbit on twitter.
 
2013-01-09 05:20:21 PM  

yukichigai: Tale of Two Wastelands is still in development. It's RFCW but with a different team. Keep an eye on that for the future.


thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it... the requiem is pretty buggy. I still expect a crash a session. oh well, each crash is basically like a pre-set breaktime to assess what I've done with my life.
 
2013-01-09 05:20:59 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: Relatively Obscure: ToastTheRabbit: My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)

Ign screen capped my tweets with dellums for their story on this.

Is @toast the rabbit on twitter.


Ohh, ha, I forgot what TFA even looked like.  My bad.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:31 PM  
Awesome! Can't wait!

As far as the good v evil discussion on FO3 and NV I played through as a good guy first, then as an evil guy the next time through. The game seems to be more challenging being good as opposed to being evil, but being evil offered up some nice options like nuking a town off the map, or nuking the brotherhood of steel!
 
2013-01-09 05:23:43 PM  
People of the Capital Wasteland, it is I, Three Dog, your ruler! Hear me, and obey! Oh sorry, that's that other radio station
 
2013-01-09 05:29:01 PM  

evilwhiteguy: Awesome! Can't wait!

As far as the good v evil discussion on FO3 and NV I played through as a good guy first, then as an evil guy the next time through. The game seems to be more challenging being good as opposed to being evil, but being evil offered up some nice options like nuking a town off the map, or nuking the brotherhood of steel!


i never could be that evil, because I hated the idea of losing quests. i'm such a chump for XP
 
2013-01-09 05:30:05 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-09 05:33:22 PM  

the_sidewinder: [images.wikia.com image 850x478]


Hah! That's why I love Borderlands, so many little shout-outs like that.
 
2013-01-09 05:34:15 PM  

kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with R


Wasteland 2 is in production.
 
2013-01-09 05:39:20 PM  
I'm just happy for the possibility of another Fix. What's this about a possible Movie?!

/FO3 was more engaging to me than FO/NV - much more engrossing atmosphere and story
//Supposedly the deal they hammered out with Obsidian is that Bethesda does one (FO3) then Obsidian (NV) then back to Bethesda
///NV - Meh. I didn't end up caring about any of the factions. Any side you joined seemed like a concession.
////Either way, more FO = a very happy Znuh
 
2013-01-09 05:43:07 PM  
Hopefully most of the kinks are worked out this time. Most of my new games resulted through glitches preventing me from doing a few random quests, which pissed me off too much (but after I learned to avoid them, I still played a hundred hours on 3 and NV). Also, has anybody noticed how it's more difficult to play through evil, not necessarily because it's less fun, but the alternate storyline seems far less developed?
 
2013-01-09 05:45:05 PM  

sjmcc13: Surfrock66: Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.

No, He goe the quote wrong...
"What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway. "


If I included the whole line it would've been over 250 characters (the Fark headline maximum), so I had to take a little liberty with that.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:25 PM  

the_sidewinder: [images.wikia.com image 850x478]


Just got that out of the Steam and Power plant last night. Took me a second to place the flavor text.
 
2013-01-09 07:00:26 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Practical_Draconian: Take your time Bethesda, my wrists are recovering from a F: NV binge and trying out the new support toon in League of Legends (meh).

Had a feeling Boston would be the next locale.

However, after playing XCOM EU, I really, really, REALLY want a Fallout Tactics sequel. Bonus if you play as what's left of the Enclave trying to take over Detroit/Toronto while fending off the Brotherhood of Steel -- who at the end of Fallout Tactics had endings that implied the Midwestern branch of the BoS became a sinister force -- along with the usual Fallout rabble and other factions (Caesar?).

New Vegas also made me sympathetic towards the Enclave, and I kinda sensed House might have been affiliated with them, especially when discussing his outright hatred of the Brotherhood of Steel.

I never really had any Enclave sympathy, but the BoS/Outcasts are definitely quite easy to hate.


I always hated the New California Republic since Fallout 2. The decentralist in me rankles at the idea of them swelling to swallow up everyone else. Did my best to keep New Reno an independent city state so the mobsters could kill each other in peace.
 
2013-01-09 07:05:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: sjmcc13: Surfrock66: Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.

No, He goe the quote wrong...
"What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway. "

If I included the whole line it would've been over 250 characters (the Fark headline maximum), so I had to take a little liberty with that.


We really don't care, we love you for bringing this to our attention.

/good headline!
 
2013-01-09 07:16:41 PM  
I can't resist killing Three Dog because I love Margaret so.

"If Three Dog were here, he'd say something witty. But he's not. 'Cause somebody killed him. So you get me playing music. Yay."
 
2013-01-09 07:32:22 PM  

FoxKelfonne: So, is it weird that I love Fallout 3 / New Vegas, but think that Oblivion and Skyrim are pretty boring? I mean, they're both big open world sandboxy type games, but for some reason I just don't enjoy the Elder Scrolls..


I'm the same way. Didn't care for Oblivion at all. Played the hell outta Skyrim until I finished the story once, then I didn't care any more. But I played FO3 and FNV three-four times each.
 
2013-01-09 07:45:54 PM  

JammerJim: FoxKelfonne: So, is it weird that I love Fallout 3 / New Vegas, but think that Oblivion and Skyrim are pretty boring? I mean, they're both big open world sandboxy type games, but for some reason I just don't enjoy the Elder Scrolls..

I'm the same way. Didn't care for Oblivion at all. Played the hell outta Skyrim until I finished the story once, then I didn't care any more. But I played FO3 and FNV three-four times each.


Weapons (or lack thereof) seem to be a big reason for that. In the Fallout series, you've got a whole multitude of melee weapons (from a golf club to a massive mace made out of a fire hydrant), ranged weapons (assault rifles, sniper rifles, lasers, gauss guns, tesla cannons, etc.), and high-explosive weapons (rocket & grenade launcher, mini-nuke launcher, mines). Whereas TES series has melee weapons (dagger, sword, mace, or axe), bigger melee weapons (bigger sword, bigger mace, bigger axe), and the bow/arrow (well also a crossbow if you got the Skyrim DLC). And I'm not even counting the destruction magic because those have always blown.

Lack of variety seems to drive a lot of that. Also you're going from a fantasy area where the only technology is steampunk created by dwarves that disappear, to a full technological world with nuclear powered cars and computers/robots galore. I found reading the terminals in Fallout to be a lot more fun than reading the books (except for the Lustful Argonian Maid, I'll read all versions of that).

/Love both series, but I can definitely understand why some would like one and not the other
 
2013-01-09 08:01:30 PM  
I preferred FNV over FO3 just because it reminded me more of the original two. Having a lot of the original design staff helped of course. FO3 was just too "cool for the sake of being cool" is how I would put it. Lots of awesome things muddled together with no real direction or path to follow. And honestly, the FO3 main quest before the DLC's was crap. NV's main story, with all the background info and having played the original games, was much superior. And the weapon variety in NV was awesome. So many pretty pretty guns.

My first run through I went with the Cowboy perk and Shotgun Surgeon perk using the Terminator styled lever action shotgun. Thing was a BEAST! Not very handy when swarmed by Cazador's, but nothing short of a flame thrower really worked on those. And the fact they put "Big Guns" and "Small Guns" under just "Guns" definitely made more options for you.

FO3 had its moments, one particular one was the gauntlet of super mutants where you first run into the BOS and Lyon's Pride, ending with that Behemoth battle. That whole exchange, from start to finish, was one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had. Something about it just cried out "this...is..AWESOME!"
 
2013-01-09 08:55:49 PM  
I look forward to it! 'Course, I'm also REALLY looking forward to Enderal
(Enderal is going to be a total conversion mod for Skyrim-That is, literally, it's own game. Own plot, own voice acting, altering the level system, own *WORLD*. It's a sequel to, and done by the same team, as Nehrim, which was a simillar total conversion for Oblivion. Plus: IT'S FREE)
 
2013-01-09 09:03:15 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I think Fallout 1 was set far earlier than 2&3.


No it wasn't, your grandfather in 2 was The Vault Dweller, the protagonist from 1. And given how long people tend to live in an irradiated hellscape, it probably wasn't more than 4 decades prior.

scottydoesntknow: Also you're going from a fantasy area where the only technology is steampunk created by dwarves that disappear


For a second I thought you were reffering to Arcanum.
 
2013-01-09 09:07:34 PM  
Hopefully they do a better job with Boston than they did with The Pitt.

So many things they could have done with the downtown area of Pittsburgh and it was SO boxed in to a handful of generic locations.


Tony
 
2013-01-09 09:20:04 PM  

sure haven't: Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?


Not at all. Vegas sucked IMO, as the level design was horrible. They boxed you in with canyons and high level enemies (that you were still able to get around), and stuck points of interest over a pretty boring and barren map. Like the real Vegas, everything interesting was near the strip.

Fallout 3 OTOH was just brilliant all around. From the missions, to the level design, the history, to the little nods.

Boston could easily be just as good. Lots of colonial and patriotic history, lots of close attractions and built up metro areas connect by light rail, heavy rail and highways, ect to support a wide range of lore.

Boston, Cambridge, Lexigton, Concord, Worcester, Springfield, Amherst/5 colleges, the Quabbin, the Cape.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:07 PM  

Felgraf: Relatively Obscure: I think Fallout 1 was set far earlier than 2&3.

No it wasn't, your grandfather in 2 was The Vault Dweller, the protagonist from 1. And given how long people tend to live in an irradiated hellscape, it probably wasn't more than 4 decades prior.


Fallout 1: 2161
Fallout 2:  2241.

80 years.  That's quite a bit.
 
2013-01-09 09:28:29 PM  
SInce I own a PS3 and Bethesda actively refuses to make games that work on the system, I shall not be buying it. I mean, really. The Skyrim issues were present in Fallout 3, but instead of fixing them, they were several orders of magnitude worse.
 
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