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(IGN)   "Cause one dog ain't enough, and two is too low, it's me, Three Dog. Greetings to everyone in the Capital Wasteland. Bethesda just called your favorite disc jockey in to discuss bringing more dog to ya. What's a disc? I don't care, but more to come"   (ign.com ) divider line
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2013-01-09 12:44:55 PM  
Sweet!
 
2013-01-09 12:49:20 PM  
God that was my first xbox 360 game and one of my favorites. Memories...
 
2013-01-09 01:05:35 PM  

Bontesla: God that was my first xbox 360 game and one of my favorites. Memories...


Fallout 3 got me back into gaming. Before that, I was half-heartedly starting and never finishing games like Dead Rising, playing Madden, and dorking around on Peggle, Plants v Zombies, and the like. Now I'm putting Steam's owners' kids' through college.
 
2013-01-09 01:15:38 PM  
Boston would makes sense for FO 4. The Institute is based in the 'Commonwealth', so the lore gods would be pleased.
 
2013-01-09 01:21:29 PM  

kronicfeld: Bontesla: God that was my first xbox 360 game and one of my favorites. Memories...

Fallout 3 got me back into gaming. Before that, I was half-heartedly starting and never finishing games like Dead Rising, playing Madden, and dorking around on Peggle, Plants v Zombies, and the like. Now I'm putting Steam's owners' kids' through college.


I'll admit that my first 360 game was Modern Warfare. Bought it because my other two roomates had 360s and I wanted to get in on the multiplayer fun. Fallout 3 was the first single-player RPG I bought for the 360 though, and it made me fall in love with the franchise and genre immediately. I still remember being mesmerized the first time I stepped out of the vault and saw the wasteland. I kept saying to myself "I have all this to explore! ...Where the fark do I start?!"
 
2013-01-09 01:56:00 PM  
Having just (mostly) finished replaying Fallout 1 through Fallout 3 (plus SOME of the extra content), yes please.
 
2013-01-09 03:14:23 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Having just (mostly) finished replaying Fallout 1 through Fallout 3 (plus SOME of the extra content), yes please.


Ditto. I got this game years ago for the PC but always lost interest by the first town. Had some down time in November recently, got it for the PS3 and couldn't put it down. Same with New Vegas but I can't finish it cause the game becomes WAY too bug ridden and unplayable (for me it a few hours after I met Mr. House). About to buy a gaming PC so hopefully I can finish them. I can't wait to see what 4 has to offer.

Plus it will be much more interesting exploring Boston than the desert.
 
2013-01-09 03:33:15 PM  
I hope they borrow some of the New Vegas guys.
 
2013-01-09 03:37:17 PM  
Boston probably won't look much different in game from IRL except for more parking.

/I'm already spending all my time in Skyrim.
//My wife will divorce me if I buy FO4 after her experience with me on Bethesda games.
 
2013-01-09 03:39:02 PM  
Just what I need...losing a month of my life (again) trying to finish this game. I always end up with so many queued missions, I forgot what they were about originally or why they were important to the storyline.
 
2013-01-09 03:40:29 PM  
Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?
 
2013-01-09 03:41:56 PM  

tomo12144: Just what I need...losing a month of my life (again) trying to finish this game. I always end up with so many queued missions, I forgot what they were about originally or why they were important to the storyline.


I don't think I ever even got around to rescuing Dad until I'd already hit the expanded level cap in FO3.
 
2013-01-09 03:45:29 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Having just (mostly) finished replaying Fallout 1 through Fallout 3 (plus SOME of the extra content), yes please.


I think I'm on my eighth playtrough on Fallout 3. I just love that game.
 
2013-01-09 03:49:21 PM  

Ed Grubermann: I think I'm on my eighth playtrough on Fallout 3. I just love that game.


I don't do many shooter type games, but I make an exception for FO3.

/Still very fond of 2, though.
 
2013-01-09 03:51:03 PM  
Wasn't actually sure I'd like FO3, given how much of a departure it was from 1&2.  Expected to hate it, really.  But I most certainly did not.
 
2013-01-09 04:06:47 PM  
Prefer 3 dogs at night,

cause i've never been to heaven,
but I live in Oklahoma
 
2013-01-09 04:07:50 PM  
All I ask of Bethesda is that they allow you to explore the map without maneuvering a maze of subway tunnels bordered by invisible walls. Skyrim was a huge step forward because if you could see a location you could, with very few exceptions, go there. In a subway system loaded with homicidal mutants most would prefer to simply climb over piles of rubble.

/collected all bobbleheads
 
2013-01-09 04:11:32 PM  

caddisfly: All I ask of Bethesda is that they allow you to explore the map without maneuvering a maze of subway tunnels bordered by invisible walls. Skyrim was a huge step forward because if you could see a location you could, with very few exceptions, go there. In a subway system loaded with homicidal mutants most would prefer to simply climb over piles of rubble.

/collected all bobbleheads


I agree. Even New Vegas (who did a great job of avoiding that), still had the invisible walls/hedges that prevented you from easily accessing a place. I think Vault 22 was the worst. Ended up walking around an entire mountain range all because I couldn't go over it.

If they had left it as an option to go through the subways (even making it technically easier to encourage people to go that way), or making it a side mission, that would've been a lot better

/Collected all but the very first bobblehead, because I didn't know the game would permanently lock you out of the vault, making it inaccessible
 
2013-01-09 04:11:52 PM  

sure haven't: Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?


Yeah, something like that that for me too. Loved FO3, but just couldn't get into New Vegas. I just kind of trailed off before even getting to Vegas. Maybe the inventory and food management was just that bit more complicated where it seemed like work.
 
2013-01-09 04:13:26 PM  
Take your time Bethesda, my wrists are recovering from a F: NV binge and trying out the new support toon in League of Legends (meh).

Had a feeling Boston would be the next locale.

However, after playing XCOM EU, I really, really, REALLY want a Fallout Tactics sequel. Bonus if you play as what's left of the Enclave trying to take over Detroit/Toronto while fending off the Brotherhood of Steel -- who at the end of Fallout Tactics had endings that implied the Midwestern branch of the BoS became a sinister force -- along with the usual Fallout rabble and other factions (Caesar?).

New Vegas also made me sympathetic towards the Enclave, and I kinda sensed House might have been affiliated with them, especially when discussing his outright hatred of the Brotherhood of Steel.
 
2013-01-09 04:14:41 PM  

caddisfly: All I ask of Bethesda is that they allow you to explore the map without maneuvering a maze of subway tunnels bordered by invisible walls.


The invisible walls/mysteriously unclimbable rubble piles were a bit frustrating, yeah.
 
2013-01-09 04:16:51 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Take your time Bethesda, my wrists are recovering from a F: NV binge and trying out the new support toon in League of Legends (meh).

Had a feeling Boston would be the next locale.

However, after playing XCOM EU, I really, really, REALLY want a Fallout Tactics sequel. Bonus if you play as what's left of the Enclave trying to take over Detroit/Toronto while fending off the Brotherhood of Steel -- who at the end of Fallout Tactics had endings that implied the Midwestern branch of the BoS became a sinister force -- along with the usual Fallout rabble and other factions (Caesar?).

New Vegas also made me sympathetic towards the Enclave, and I kinda sensed House might have been affiliated with them, especially when discussing his outright hatred of the Brotherhood of Steel.


I never really had any Enclave sympathy, but the BoS/Outcasts are definitely quite easy to hate.
 
2013-01-09 04:18:25 PM  
So, is it weird that I love Fallout 3 / New Vegas, but think that Oblivion and Skyrim are pretty boring? I mean, they're both big open world sandboxy type games, but for some reason I just don't enjoy the Elder Scrolls..
 
2013-01-09 04:18:47 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Wasn't actually sure I'd like FO3, given how much of a departure it was from 1&2.  Expected to hate it, really.  But I most certainly did not.


The forums on some Fallout fanboi sites before FO3 was released were full of psychos not giving it a chance because it wasn't isometric.
 
2013-01-09 04:19:12 PM  
Just bought another copy of Fallout New Vegas for PS3. It definitely didn't seem to have the same appeal as 3, but I am going to give it another shot...
 
2013-01-09 04:20:22 PM  
Dammit. I've been thinking about FO3 for the last few weeks and still haven't popped it in. This might just give me the push I need to start playing it again. Finish it up before FO4 hits.
 
2013-01-09 04:20:53 PM  
Also, while I don't know how to change this without making them Easy Buttons, but heavy weapons have been constant disappointments throughout the Fallout series I've tried (I dunno about NV, having never played it).  I'm not big on using them anyway, but I think I'd have been seriously disappointed if I'd specialized in them.
 
2013-01-09 04:21:34 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Relatively Obscure: Wasn't actually sure I'd like FO3, given how much of a departure it was from 1&2.  Expected to hate it, really.  But I most certainly did not.

The forums on some Fallout fanboi sites before FO3 was released were full of psychos not giving it a chance because it wasn't isometric.


I have no doubt about that.
 
2013-01-09 04:23:44 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Also, while I don't know how to change this without making them Easy Buttons, but heavy weapons have been constant disappointments throughout the Fallout series I've tried (I dunno about NV, having never played it).  I'm not big on using them anyway, but I think I'd have been seriously disappointed if I'd specialized in them.


With the exception of the mini-nukes/MIRV, I gotta agree with you. I never get tired of creating mini-mushroom clouds
 
2013-01-09 04:23:53 PM  
Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with R
 
2013-01-09 04:24:45 PM  

FoxKelfonne: So, is it weird that I love Fallout 3 / New Vegas, but think that Oblivion and Skyrim are pretty boring? I mean, they're both big open world sandboxy type games, but for some reason I just don't enjoy the Elder Scrolls..


no, I feel the same way,

Oh well I was due for a replay anyway
 
2013-01-09 04:25:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: With the exception of the mini-nukes/MIRV, I gotta agree with you. I never get tired of creating mini-mushroom clouds


The Fat Man and MIRV are mostly just shiats&giggles weapons, though.  Although the MIRV can be pretty great for trying to outshine Liberty Prime.
 
2013-01-09 04:26:40 PM  
Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with RPG mechanics, instead if a shooter gussied up with levels that don't mean shiat other than a few new HP. No meaningful pathways open or close according to skills in FO3 or FO NV. And they can't afford to because everyone needs to play the game 'the best' way, because of costs.

I loved FO3 and FO NV for the record. Played a hundred hours on each, easily. I'm just tired of them, and the same content.
 
2013-01-09 04:26:41 PM  

Practical_Draconian: New Vegas also made me sympathetic towards the Enclave, and I kinda sensed House might have been affiliated with them, especially when discussing his outright hatred of the Brotherhood of Steel.


Ya, IIRC from background informaiton there were suppose to be different branches of the encliave, and one somewhere in the central US actually did what they should have, and started rebuilding, without killing everyone.
 
2013-01-09 04:27:47 PM  

kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?


It's not realistic, no.  It's just fun.
 
2013-01-09 04:30:02 PM  
Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.
 
2013-01-09 04:30:42 PM  

kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with RPG mechanics, instead if a shooter gussied up with levels that don't mean shiat other than a few new HP. No meaningful pathways open or close according to skills in FO3 or FO NV. And they can't afford to because everyone needs to play the game 'the best' way, because of costs.

I loved FO3 and FO NV for the record. Played a hundred hours on each, easily. I'm just tired of them, and the same content.


I've been checking out a lot of the well-rated "indie" games on Steam lately, for precisely that reason - all the AAA titles are so farking samey.
 
2013-01-09 04:34:08 PM  

Relatively Obscure: tomo12144: Just what I need...losing a month of my life (again) trying to finish this game. I always end up with so many queued missions, I forgot what they were about originally or why they were important to the storyline.

I don't think I ever even got around to rescuing Dad until I'd already hit the expanded level cap in FO3.


I accidentally found and rescued him before I ever even went and saw Three Dog. Just stumbled on where he was, at an extremely low level. It sucked because about half the games story line quests (leading up to finding him) stopped working after that.
 
2013-01-09 04:34:25 PM  

kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs?

204 years

And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really?
Specific vaults were sealed for specific times, for testing purposes. Some opened up early, some opened up much later. Some were forced open from the inside, while others just killed everyone inside. There is a government (Enclave & NCR), but it's pretty farking hard to run an entire country when most of it has been nuked to the wild west days.

And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb?
It's kinda hard to construct new buildings when most of the construction crews are smoldering piles of ash and everyone else has been living in vaults or irradiated. But Megaton would like a word with you (built from the scraps of the war)
 
2013-01-09 04:36:30 PM  
kroonermanblack: How many centuries has it been since the bombs?

~ 2 in FO3 and NV
War is in Oct 23 2077.
FO3 starts Augt 17 2277
NV starts Oct 11 2281
 
2013-01-09 04:37:02 PM  
I was one of the Isometric Nazis before FO3, but I have been converted. Can't wait for 4!
 
2013-01-09 04:37:02 PM  

kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with R


Well if Fallout 4 does take place in The Commonwealth, then that could be the site of your new buildings and construction. The Commonwealth was the same government that created androids realistic enough to go rogue in Fallout 3. That level of technological advancement means they could probably put up a building or two.
 
2013-01-09 04:38:08 PM  

FoxKelfonne: So, is it weird that I love Fallout 3 / New Vegas, but think that Oblivion and Skyrim are pretty boring? I mean, they're both big open world sandboxy type games, but for some reason I just don't enjoy the Elder Scrolls..


I stopped playing New Vegas until Old World Blues came out. And even then I only played it through once. I just can't get into Skyrim at all.
 
2013-01-09 04:38:42 PM  

you have pee hands: I hope they borrow some of the New Vegas guys.


As long as they don't bring over their software testers... F:NV is of pitiful (software) quality.
 
2013-01-09 04:38:48 PM  

bikerific: sure haven't: Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?

Yeah, something like that that for me too. Loved FO3, but just couldn't get into New Vegas. I just kind of trailed off before even getting to Vegas. Maybe the inventory and food management was just that bit more complicated where it seemed like work.


i loved FO3, but preferred the game play of FNV.

so, i modded FNV with "requiem for a capital wasteland". now I can play FO3 in FNV. there's a portal to go from one map to the other, and contemporaneously complete both quests. you need both games and a little bit of luck to get it to work, and expect bugs with the dlc. but, pretty fun running around point lookout with my gun runner's arsenal.

/ i have re-played the fallout games more than perhaps any other game since vampire the masquerade: bloodlines. still the best action/rpg.
 
2013-01-09 04:40:13 PM  

Relatively Obscure: kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

It's not realistic, no.  It's just fun.


If I'm not mistaken, the Fallout games are all set within decades of each other or happening at the same time as the others. Aside from the New California Republic post Fallout 2 and possibly Boston, most of the wasteland is still in survival mode.

And I've read complaints that say New Vegas was too civilized ... they preferred the rubble and cockroach living of FO3's DC. Which bored the crap out of me personally -- oh look, another zombie-filled subway.

/wonder how Wasteland 2 is developing after its successful Kickstarter campaign
 
2013-01-09 04:40:34 PM  
Aw, hell.  But there's really no excuse for another Dogmeat, and that makes me kind of sad.
 
2013-01-09 04:42:09 PM  

Surfrock66: Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.


No, He goe the quote wrong...
"What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway. "
 
2013-01-09 04:42:50 PM  

RangerTaylor: I was one of the Isometric Nazis before FO3, but I have been converted. Can't wait for 4!


I'm the opposite. I never cared for isometric view games. I prefer to be inside the game, not looking down into it.
 
2013-01-09 04:42:57 PM  

kroonermanblack: ***snip***


When you find that game, please post it on Fark and talk about it in every gaming thread to ensure I see it, thanks.

//Currently replaying Shining Force 1 on a Genesis Collection for the 360. I want to play Skyrim, but because of logistics, it is much easier to just play on the 360.
 
2013-01-09 04:43:22 PM  

Practical_Draconian: If I'm not mistaken, the Fallout games are all set within decades of each other or happening at the same time as the others. Aside from the New California Republic post Fallout 2 and possibly Boston, most of the wasteland is still in survival mode.


I think Fallout 1 was set far earlier than 2&3.

It's still not super-realistic.  Hell, even nature or weather should have overrun a lot of that shiat after 200 years.

But whatever.  It's fun to me.  I like the setting.
 
2013-01-09 04:44:26 PM  

pute kisses like a man: bikerific: sure haven't: Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?

Yeah, something like that that for me too. Loved FO3, but just couldn't get into New Vegas. I just kind of trailed off before even getting to Vegas. Maybe the inventory and food management was just that bit more complicated where it seemed like work.

i loved FO3, but preferred the game play of FNV.

so, i modded FNV with "requiem for a capital wasteland". now I can play FO3 in FNV. there's a portal to go from one map to the other, and contemporaneously complete both quests. you need both games and a little bit of luck to get it to work, and expect bugs with the dlc. but, pretty fun running around point lookout with my gun runner's arsenal.

/ i have re-played the fallout games more than perhaps any other game since vampire the masquerade: bloodlines. still the best action/rpg.


Tale of Two Wastelands is still in development. It's RFCW but with a different team. Keep an eye on that for the future.
 
2013-01-09 04:46:35 PM  
I think the only way to play FO3 is to avoid the main story line quest. The first time I played it I followed the main quest and ended up finishing the game surprisingly quickly. Didn't see even 20% of what was in the game and didn't even reach 10th level.
 
2013-01-09 04:46:46 PM  

roc6783: kroonermanblack: ***snip***


//Currently replaying Shining Force 1 on a Genesis Collection for the 360. I wont play Skyrim without mods, but because of logistics, it is much easier to just play on the 360.


FTFM
 
2013-01-09 04:48:51 PM  

red5ish: I think the only way to play FO3 is to avoid the main story line quest. The first time I played it I followed the main quest and ended up finishing the game surprisingly quickly. Didn't see even 20% of what was in the game and didn't even reach 10th level.


Or at least get Broken Steel (though that has its own problems) so you can keep playing after the end.
 
2013-01-09 04:49:34 PM  
Unless this is a prequel, he'll have to introduce his songs from the giant hole where his head used to be. I shot his face off after he wouldn't tell me where my dad went.

/I don't play nice
 
2013-01-09 04:52:34 PM  

Treygreen13: Unless this is a prequel, he'll have to introduce his songs from the giant hole where his head used to be. I shot his face off after he wouldn't tell me where my dad went.

/I don't play nice


Apparently, I'm a big ol' softie.  I usually end up being a more-or-less nice guy.
 
2013-01-09 04:55:23 PM  
This is kind of an aside, but out of sheer curiosity, those of you who played through The Pitt in FO3, who'd you decide to side with?

Everyone sucked, but in the end, I basically shrugged and decided 'fark slavers, though,' and wasted everyone in charge.
 
2013-01-09 04:57:08 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: Unless this is a prequel, he'll have to introduce his songs from the giant hole where his head used to be. I shot his face off after he wouldn't tell me where my dad went.

/I don't play nice

Apparently, I'm a big ol' softie.  I usually end up being a more-or-less nice guy.


I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.
 
2013-01-09 04:59:08 PM  

Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.


I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.
 
2013-01-09 05:03:26 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.

I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.


Same here. I never did things the evil way. I need to try it. I also wanted to do a Speechmaster and do all the dialogue options to persuade people. Never saw what happened with high persuasion.
 
2013-01-09 05:04:01 PM  

Kirby Muxloe: As long as they don't bring over their software testers... F:NV is of pitiful (software) quality.


For consoles? I played both on PC and while they were both rather unstable FO3 was worse probably because NV had the advantage of having a few more kinks worked out from the start. Either way I blame the engine, because Oblivion was also pretty unstable and that's been retired.

Mostly I thought the atmosphere made more sense. A post apocalyptic Nevada is still going to be a desert. A post apocalyptic Washington DC is probably going to revert to a swampy forest. They did that with Point Lookout or whatever it was called but the rest of the game was too grey/brown.

/agree with people about the time since the war. That 200 year old canned food and box-o-noodles is gone, man.
 
2013-01-09 05:04:21 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Same here. I never did things the evil way. I need to try it. I also wanted to do a Speechmaster and do all the dialogue options to persuade people. Never saw what happened with high persuasion.


I always go with high Speech.  Mostly, though, because it was so goddamn handy in the original.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:37 PM  

sjmcc13: Surfrock66: Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.

No, He goe the quote wrong...
"What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway. "


Took a lot of posts for someone to finally go "That's not how the quote ends."

But now I can leave satisfied.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:49 PM  

Relatively Obscure: This is kind of an aside, but out of sheer curiosity, those of you who played through The Pitt in FO3, who'd you decide to side with?

Everyone sucked, but in the end, I basically shrugged and decided 'fark slavers, though,' and wasted everyone in charge.


I sided with the workers, as I had already made strong enemies with the slavers back in DC. But, yeah, the situation sucked. Should have moved everyone out and replaced them with ghouls.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:58 PM  

pute kisses like a man:

/ i have re-played the fallout games more than perhaps any other game since vampire the masquerade: bloodlines. still the best action/rpg.


Vampire: Bloodlines. Great story and character building, but cursed with a ton of bugs and a lack of action for the most part. Plus I wasn't impressed with the mods - got a Tzimisce mod that made you nothing more than a Toreador vamp with a few Gangrel powers. C'mon, I wanted that Hollywood freak's demon look or at least his alternate form.

BTW, had to download better male and female body graphics mods for my last playthrough of Fallout New Vegas. Tried roleplaying as a tribal using melee attacks and the Honest Hearts DLC armors; got tired of running around and slapping people with my "webbed meat paws." Tried a hand-to-hand mod in Skyrim and noticed the models had the same bad art on the extremeties too. Bethesda could use someone who knows how to draw hands and feet better.

Also, melee attacks in Fallout can be seriously overpowered. Died less than I did using energy weapons or guns.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:11 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.

I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.


Nice is much more profitable than asshole. You quickly run out of allies and trading partners if you're an asshole, and you still have to fight the enclave and the raiders.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:41 PM  

yukichigai: kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with R

Well if Fallout 4 does take place in The Commonwealth, then that could be the site of your new buildings and construction. The Commonwealth was the same government that created androids realistic enough to go rogue in Fallout 3. That level of technological advancement means they could probably put up a building or two.


Nope. If it really is in Boston, they're still waiting for building permits filed in 2077. About the only thing in Boston that would survive a nuclear blast is the city's bureaucracy.

/go Pats!
//I really really hope FO4 is in Beantown!
 
2013-01-09 05:12:29 PM  
Is the Fallout 3 DLC worth it? I have the collector's edition of FO3 but Microsoft Games for Windows still wants $20 for the add-ons

Thought about picking the GOTY edition on Steam but it never went on sale last month.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:58 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.

I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.

Same here. I never did things the evil way. I need to try it. I also wanted to do a Speechmaster and do all the dialogue options to persuade people. Never saw what happened with high persuasion.


I always end up roughly neutral, because I'll be playing at 2 a.m. after a few too many drinks and someone will piss me off and I blow them away. I tried being evil on my first playthrough of Skyrim, just stealing and killing everyone I could, and my bounties in the holds went so high so fast, and I had no one but a few hunters with a few scraps of gold to trade with. Sucked.
 
2013-01-09 05:16:04 PM  
My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)
 
2013-01-09 05:16:20 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Is the Fallout 3 DLC worth it? I have the collector's edition of FO3 but Microsoft Games for Windows still wants $20 for the add-ons

Thought about picking the GOTY edition on Steam but it never went on sale last month.


I enjoyed The Pitt, Point Lookout is pretty big, though I didn't really like the Hillbilly Supermutants and shiat.  I had a blast in Operation: Anchorage for some reason (though, again, makes Outcasts easy to hate), and Broken Steel is nice in that it expands your level cap and lets you play past the end of the game, but it seems to come with its own special collection of interesting bugs (some of which are inadvertently helpful).
 
2013-01-09 05:16:56 PM  
Oops, meant to add that I haven't done the alien ship one.
 
2013-01-09 05:17:34 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Is the Fallout 3 DLC worth it? I have the collector's edition of FO3 but Microsoft Games for Windows still wants $20 for the add-ons

Thought about picking the GOTY edition on Steam but it never went on sale last month.


Broken Steel is a must. It continues where the main quest left off and raises the level cap. The Pitt was kind of odd. Had some cool weapons, I just couldn't get into it. Mothership Zeta was crazy but a lot of fun. Especially if you went and did that one early, then brought the weapons back to DC with you. Point Lookout was kind of lackluster for me. Operation Anchorage was ....odd. It turned FO3 into more of an arcade shooter than an RPG. The gear was worth it and it was pretty short. Just strange.
 
2013-01-09 05:18:20 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)


i7.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 05:19:53 PM  

Relatively Obscure: ToastTheRabbit: My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)


Ign screen capped my tweets with dellums for their story on this.

Is @toast the rabbit on twitter.
 
2013-01-09 05:20:21 PM  

yukichigai: Tale of Two Wastelands is still in development. It's RFCW but with a different team. Keep an eye on that for the future.


thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it... the requiem is pretty buggy. I still expect a crash a session. oh well, each crash is basically like a pre-set breaktime to assess what I've done with my life.
 
2013-01-09 05:20:59 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: Relatively Obscure: ToastTheRabbit: My follower count exploded this morning. Guess this would be why. ;)

Ign screen capped my tweets with dellums for their story on this.

Is @toast the rabbit on twitter.


Ohh, ha, I forgot what TFA even looked like.  My bad.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:31 PM  
Awesome! Can't wait!

As far as the good v evil discussion on FO3 and NV I played through as a good guy first, then as an evil guy the next time through. The game seems to be more challenging being good as opposed to being evil, but being evil offered up some nice options like nuking a town off the map, or nuking the brotherhood of steel!
 
2013-01-09 05:23:43 PM  
People of the Capital Wasteland, it is I, Three Dog, your ruler! Hear me, and obey! Oh sorry, that's that other radio station
 
2013-01-09 05:29:01 PM  

evilwhiteguy: Awesome! Can't wait!

As far as the good v evil discussion on FO3 and NV I played through as a good guy first, then as an evil guy the next time through. The game seems to be more challenging being good as opposed to being evil, but being evil offered up some nice options like nuking a town off the map, or nuking the brotherhood of steel!


i never could be that evil, because I hated the idea of losing quests. i'm such a chump for XP
 
2013-01-09 05:30:05 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-09 05:33:22 PM  

the_sidewinder: [images.wikia.com image 850x478]


Hah! That's why I love Borderlands, so many little shout-outs like that.
 
2013-01-09 05:34:15 PM  

kroonermanblack: Am I the only person who thinks the setting for fallout is wearing thin? How many centuries has it been since the bombs? And we still have magic sealed vaults and no government? Really? And no buildings or new construction or anything that isn't somehow prebomb? That's the kicker for me. Buildings lasting hundreds of years without work, being sound, and no new construction?

Plus I'm kind of tired of shooters. They're great, but I would really love something else. Everything now is a shooter. I know there's not going to be a return of the isometric view, but I'd really like a game that was about dialogue and choices with R


Wasteland 2 is in production.
 
2013-01-09 05:39:20 PM  
I'm just happy for the possibility of another Fix. What's this about a possible Movie?!

/FO3 was more engaging to me than FO/NV - much more engrossing atmosphere and story
//Supposedly the deal they hammered out with Obsidian is that Bethesda does one (FO3) then Obsidian (NV) then back to Bethesda
///NV - Meh. I didn't end up caring about any of the factions. Any side you joined seemed like a concession.
////Either way, more FO = a very happy Znuh
 
2013-01-09 05:43:07 PM  
Hopefully most of the kinks are worked out this time. Most of my new games resulted through glitches preventing me from doing a few random quests, which pissed me off too much (but after I learned to avoid them, I still played a hundred hours on 3 and NV). Also, has anybody noticed how it's more difficult to play through evil, not necessarily because it's less fun, but the alternate storyline seems far less developed?
 
2013-01-09 05:45:05 PM  

sjmcc13: Surfrock66: Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.

No, He goe the quote wrong...
"What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway. "


If I included the whole line it would've been over 250 characters (the Fark headline maximum), so I had to take a little liberty with that.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:25 PM  

the_sidewinder: [images.wikia.com image 850x478]


Just got that out of the Steam and Power plant last night. Took me a second to place the flavor text.
 
2013-01-09 07:00:26 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Practical_Draconian: Take your time Bethesda, my wrists are recovering from a F: NV binge and trying out the new support toon in League of Legends (meh).

Had a feeling Boston would be the next locale.

However, after playing XCOM EU, I really, really, REALLY want a Fallout Tactics sequel. Bonus if you play as what's left of the Enclave trying to take over Detroit/Toronto while fending off the Brotherhood of Steel -- who at the end of Fallout Tactics had endings that implied the Midwestern branch of the BoS became a sinister force -- along with the usual Fallout rabble and other factions (Caesar?).

New Vegas also made me sympathetic towards the Enclave, and I kinda sensed House might have been affiliated with them, especially when discussing his outright hatred of the Brotherhood of Steel.

I never really had any Enclave sympathy, but the BoS/Outcasts are definitely quite easy to hate.


I always hated the New California Republic since Fallout 2. The decentralist in me rankles at the idea of them swelling to swallow up everyone else. Did my best to keep New Reno an independent city state so the mobsters could kill each other in peace.
 
2013-01-09 07:05:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: sjmcc13: Surfrock66: Can we nominate subby for headline of the year? I completely read that in his voice.

No, He goe the quote wrong...
"What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway. "

If I included the whole line it would've been over 250 characters (the Fark headline maximum), so I had to take a little liberty with that.


We really don't care, we love you for bringing this to our attention.

/good headline!
 
2013-01-09 07:16:41 PM  
I can't resist killing Three Dog because I love Margaret so.

"If Three Dog were here, he'd say something witty. But he's not. 'Cause somebody killed him. So you get me playing music. Yay."
 
2013-01-09 07:32:22 PM  

FoxKelfonne: So, is it weird that I love Fallout 3 / New Vegas, but think that Oblivion and Skyrim are pretty boring? I mean, they're both big open world sandboxy type games, but for some reason I just don't enjoy the Elder Scrolls..


I'm the same way. Didn't care for Oblivion at all. Played the hell outta Skyrim until I finished the story once, then I didn't care any more. But I played FO3 and FNV three-four times each.
 
2013-01-09 07:45:54 PM  

JammerJim: FoxKelfonne: So, is it weird that I love Fallout 3 / New Vegas, but think that Oblivion and Skyrim are pretty boring? I mean, they're both big open world sandboxy type games, but for some reason I just don't enjoy the Elder Scrolls..

I'm the same way. Didn't care for Oblivion at all. Played the hell outta Skyrim until I finished the story once, then I didn't care any more. But I played FO3 and FNV three-four times each.


Weapons (or lack thereof) seem to be a big reason for that. In the Fallout series, you've got a whole multitude of melee weapons (from a golf club to a massive mace made out of a fire hydrant), ranged weapons (assault rifles, sniper rifles, lasers, gauss guns, tesla cannons, etc.), and high-explosive weapons (rocket & grenade launcher, mini-nuke launcher, mines). Whereas TES series has melee weapons (dagger, sword, mace, or axe), bigger melee weapons (bigger sword, bigger mace, bigger axe), and the bow/arrow (well also a crossbow if you got the Skyrim DLC). And I'm not even counting the destruction magic because those have always blown.

Lack of variety seems to drive a lot of that. Also you're going from a fantasy area where the only technology is steampunk created by dwarves that disappear, to a full technological world with nuclear powered cars and computers/robots galore. I found reading the terminals in Fallout to be a lot more fun than reading the books (except for the Lustful Argonian Maid, I'll read all versions of that).

/Love both series, but I can definitely understand why some would like one and not the other
 
2013-01-09 08:01:30 PM  
I preferred FNV over FO3 just because it reminded me more of the original two. Having a lot of the original design staff helped of course. FO3 was just too "cool for the sake of being cool" is how I would put it. Lots of awesome things muddled together with no real direction or path to follow. And honestly, the FO3 main quest before the DLC's was crap. NV's main story, with all the background info and having played the original games, was much superior. And the weapon variety in NV was awesome. So many pretty pretty guns.

My first run through I went with the Cowboy perk and Shotgun Surgeon perk using the Terminator styled lever action shotgun. Thing was a BEAST! Not very handy when swarmed by Cazador's, but nothing short of a flame thrower really worked on those. And the fact they put "Big Guns" and "Small Guns" under just "Guns" definitely made more options for you.

FO3 had its moments, one particular one was the gauntlet of super mutants where you first run into the BOS and Lyon's Pride, ending with that Behemoth battle. That whole exchange, from start to finish, was one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had. Something about it just cried out "this...is..AWESOME!"
 
2013-01-09 08:55:49 PM  
I look forward to it! 'Course, I'm also REALLY looking forward to Enderal
(Enderal is going to be a total conversion mod for Skyrim-That is, literally, it's own game. Own plot, own voice acting, altering the level system, own *WORLD*. It's a sequel to, and done by the same team, as Nehrim, which was a simillar total conversion for Oblivion. Plus: IT'S FREE)
 
2013-01-09 09:03:15 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I think Fallout 1 was set far earlier than 2&3.


No it wasn't, your grandfather in 2 was The Vault Dweller, the protagonist from 1. And given how long people tend to live in an irradiated hellscape, it probably wasn't more than 4 decades prior.

scottydoesntknow: Also you're going from a fantasy area where the only technology is steampunk created by dwarves that disappear


For a second I thought you were reffering to Arcanum.
 
2013-01-09 09:07:34 PM  
Hopefully they do a better job with Boston than they did with The Pitt.

So many things they could have done with the downtown area of Pittsburgh and it was SO boxed in to a handful of generic locations.


Tony
 
2013-01-09 09:20:04 PM  

sure haven't: Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?


Not at all. Vegas sucked IMO, as the level design was horrible. They boxed you in with canyons and high level enemies (that you were still able to get around), and stuck points of interest over a pretty boring and barren map. Like the real Vegas, everything interesting was near the strip.

Fallout 3 OTOH was just brilliant all around. From the missions, to the level design, the history, to the little nods.

Boston could easily be just as good. Lots of colonial and patriotic history, lots of close attractions and built up metro areas connect by light rail, heavy rail and highways, ect to support a wide range of lore.

Boston, Cambridge, Lexigton, Concord, Worcester, Springfield, Amherst/5 colleges, the Quabbin, the Cape.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:07 PM  

Felgraf: Relatively Obscure: I think Fallout 1 was set far earlier than 2&3.

No it wasn't, your grandfather in 2 was The Vault Dweller, the protagonist from 1. And given how long people tend to live in an irradiated hellscape, it probably wasn't more than 4 decades prior.


Fallout 1: 2161
Fallout 2:  2241.

80 years.  That's quite a bit.
 
2013-01-09 09:28:29 PM  
SInce I own a PS3 and Bethesda actively refuses to make games that work on the system, I shall not be buying it. I mean, really. The Skyrim issues were present in Fallout 3, but instead of fixing them, they were several orders of magnitude worse.
 
2013-01-09 09:46:56 PM  
Played both FO3 and New Vegas on xbox, then Steam had the game of the year edition of both on sale a while back and been playing them on PC ever since.  Both games are definitely better on the PC.
 
2013-01-09 09:52:19 PM  
I bought a used FO3 disk for Christmas and I've had nothing but bug issues with it. Even logged onto XBOX Live in hopes of getting the patch downloaded but it still locks up after a couple of hours of game play. It seems like a great game but I'll be damned if I'm going to waste my time with a game with this many problems. Sucks that I really want to play it and I can't. On the other hand, NV runs just fine and I've got many hours on it with nary a problem. I do believe that FO3 may be a better game but I've had zero luck getting through it without issues. I hope FO4 comes around soon but if it's done by Bethesda I may have to pass.
 
2013-01-09 10:17:50 PM  

sure haven't: Man I played the f*ck out of Fallout 3. It's about damn time they start up with the FO4 stuff.

New Vegas was ok. It was really nerdy though. I can't put my finger on it, but FO3 was like playing a survival world, whereas NV just felt like I was playing a board game but with graphics.

Kinda like how Skyrim feels like you're a viking out in the wild, but the latest DLC island thing makes me feel like I'm playing dungeons and dragons. Is that weird?



Not weird at all. I would have said the same if I could have put it in to words as well as you just did. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed NV and the story, but it just wasn't quite the same. There was a quiet..... heaviness to FO3. The atmosphere while playing was different. Understated, powerful, quiet most of the time. NV was much more lively, and I didn't get drawn in like I did with FO3.

That said, they make a game as good as either one and they'll have earned my money. They make another one like FO3 though they'll get devotion!
 
2013-01-09 10:18:53 PM  
My ideal Fallout would be a mix of 3's level design and New Vegas's writing and gameplay changes. I loved everything about NV except for the walled-in map and the absence of all the little bits of hidden loot from FO3. In the DC wasteland, you'd have to pull down every box and pot to check for one more stimpak or a couple bullets. It really drove home that feel of rummaging through old wreckage for stuff. With the exception of the Sunset Sarsaparilla Stars, there wasn't a whole lot of hidden stash in New Vegas.

And a melee character was actually viable AND fun in NV. Loved smacking things around with that lead pipe.
 
2013-01-09 10:32:20 PM  

Mentalpatient87: My ideal Fallout would be a mix of 3's level design and New Vegas's writing and gameplay changes. I loved everything about NV except for the walled-in map and the absence of all the little bits of hidden loot from FO3. In the DC wasteland, you'd have to pull down every box and pot to check for one more stimpak or a couple bullets.


Rummaging to find loot is fun, but I don't think I was ever in danger of even being LOW on stimpaks.

.308 ammo, though, I could have used more of from time to time.
 
2013-01-09 11:02:31 PM  
Glad that this is coming from the minds of FO3 and not New Vegas. I really tried to like NV, but it came off like it was pushed out the door about 40% complete. It's almost like they made a teaser for the full-version of the game and then said "Ah fark it, let's just make them pay full price for this." NV cleaned up a few of the gameplay issues of FO3, and then they forgot to make a game for it. And the Weird Wasteland option had something like a dozen effects, most of which were just lame movie references.

The best things they could do for FO4 are:
1) Vehicles - I want to be able to use the Repair skill and salvage parts to restore vehicles and drive them around. Maybe set up a quest for going into the wastes to find/restore rare cars and bring them back to a collector. Raiders riding on jeeps with machine-guns attached to them. That kind of thing.
2) Crossbows - C'mon! It's a stealth ranged weapon with reusable ammo. Where is it?
3) Better options for playing evil - FO3 basically had one evil option: Destroy Megaton. That's it. You could in-general run around and be a bastard, but it didn't change the story. What they should have done is allow you to side with President Eden when you spoke to him, and enter the 'evil track' where the Brotherhood takes the water purifier and you help the Enclave take it back. That would also mean that you are the one who kills your father. They had a really good story for the a guy playing the good track, but then got away with an evil track of "yeah you basically do the same thing, but you're also mean".
 
2013-01-09 11:21:56 PM  
The damage system in the game is the one thing that makes me stabby. I can put three shotgun blasts into a baddies face at point blank and they STILL come at me? wtf?

And honestly, would it hurt people in the game to clean up a little? I know things are rough, but how do you get used to living in a shed full of mounds of dirt, empty bottles, and a couple of rotting corpses?
 
2013-01-09 11:36:45 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Fallout 1: 2161
Fallout 2: 2241.

80 years. That's quite a bit.


Huh, for some reason I thought it was less time than that.
 
2013-01-09 11:43:35 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: 2) Crossbows - C'mon! It's a stealth ranged weapon with reusable ammo. Where is it?


farm5.staticflickr.com

/ ;)
 
2013-01-09 11:58:00 PM  
Fallout 4 was a given. I fully expect to see Fallout 5 and 6. And that's okay by me.

And I'm the weirdo who enjoyed FO3, but kind of gave up about 10 hours in, but pumped ungodly amounts of time into New Vegas. New Vegas just felt more like an RPG, while FO3 felt like a shooter. I prefer talking my way out of things, and resolving things peacefully.

.......although I did join up with Caesar and end up killing/enslaving everyone. That was kind of an impulse thing.
 
2013-01-10 12:07:26 AM  
I ended up using cheats on both to load up on money (I've worked for too many years to want to do so in a game), but had the self control to not just whip out a Fat Man every step of the way. Still managed to get my ass handed to me more often than not.

I was a big fan of Wasteland on the C64, so loading up Fallout 3 was like meeting up with an old friend...who had managed to score some really good cybernetic implants. Just about to finish up the last of the DLC for New Vegas (Old World Blues...yeah...totally screwed up the order), and then take on the Legion for the NCR. I love the RPG/shooter combo-ness of the games.

Fallout 4 would be the only game I'd wait outside a Gamestop until midnight for.
 
2013-01-10 12:07:39 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Rummaging to find loot is fun, but I don't think I was ever in danger of even being LOW on stimpaks.


Yeah, me either, but that game made me a hoarder. Had a bed full of teddy bears, a bath tub full of missiles, and every last severed body part I could find piled up in the water around the bomb in Megaton.

My apartment in New Vegas was covered in lawn gnomes.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:50 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: 2) Crossbows - C'mon! It's a stealth ranged weapon with reusable ammo. Where is it?


mimg.ugo.com

I always thought of the craftable railway rifle as a crossbow, with the bonus of being able to pin enemies limbs to the wall
 
2013-01-10 02:30:04 AM  
draa: I bought a used FO3 disk for Christmas and I've had nothing but bug issues with it. Even logged onto XBOX Live in hopes of getting the patch downloaded but it still locks up after a couple of hours of game play. It seems like a great game but I'll be damned if I'm going to waste my time with a game with this many problems. Sucks that I really want to play it and I can't. On the other hand, NV runs just fine and I've got many hours on it with nary a problem.

I guess this just punctuates how fickle different hardware can be. Sometimes when they are building a huge consumer electronics device, they source the commodity parts (resistors, caps, etc) from multiple vendors to meet the demand they need for the build date. So that even in XBOXen with idential SKUs, the components inside could be different (didn't they even source the DVD drive from three different companies? *). Throw a farkton of SKUs on top of that and you have more testing than a developer can realistically do.

Especially with big sandbox games like this.

// In my case, fallout new vegas is the one that gives me occasional lockups and crashes (and seems to run slow), while fallout 3 ran slick as butter with no issues. Go figure.

// * seven DVD drives from four companies over all of the SKUs
 
2013-01-10 02:30:09 AM  
You're dead, 3-Dog. I killed you.

If you've come back, it's because you're a zombie, and you'll just have to eat another teddy bear from my Rock-It launcher. That seems to be the most logical way to settle this.
 
2013-01-10 02:44:02 AM  

Gunderson: LouDobbsAwaaaay: 2) Crossbows - C'mon! It's a stealth ranged weapon with reusable ammo. Where is it?

[mimg.ugo.com image 350x143]

I always thought of the craftable railway rifle as a crossbow, with the bonus of being able to pin enemies limbs to the wall


Still, nothing beats the Rock-It Launcher for dispatching your enemies via teddy bear:
i50.tinypic.com
(not mine, wish I could take credit)
 
2013-01-10 03:05:27 AM  

spiralscratch: Gunderson: LouDobbsAwaaaay: 2) Crossbows - C'mon! It's a stealth ranged weapon with reusable ammo. Where is it?

[mimg.ugo.com image 350x143]

I always thought of the craftable railway rifle as a crossbow, with the bonus of being able to pin enemies limbs to the wall

Still, nothing beats the Rock-It Launcher for dispatching your enemies via teddy bear:
[i50.tinypic.com image 850x680]
(not mine, wish I could take credit)


Those are amusing, but I've always been about Ol' Painless and the Victory Rifle.
 
2013-01-10 03:06:02 AM  
For me, that is.
 
2013-01-10 03:08:03 AM  
3 and NV were both great in their own ways.

3 was fun for just general exploring and fining new things and locations. I liked popping up out of the subway to some new area and finding some little out of the way place.
NV felt much more like 1 & 2 did. tons of side quests, great story line with lots of tough choices, lots more weapons/armor variates, names/places/characters from the first 2 games, etc..

My only quibble with NV is it didn't let me explore as much as 3 did. I really hope they can merge those two strengths effectively.
 
2013-01-10 03:13:44 AM  

log_jammin: 3 and NV were both great in their own ways.

3 was fun for just general exploring and fining new things and locations. I liked popping up out of the subway to some new area and finding some little out of the way place.
NV felt much more like 1 & 2 did. tons of side quests, great story line with lots of tough choices, lots more weapons/armor variates, names/places/characters from the first 2 games, etc..

My only quibble with NV is it didn't let me explore as much as 3 did. I really hope they can merge those two strengths effectively.


One thing I liked about 1 & 2 (never played NV) was that you could do the "right" thing, and end up with a somewhat worse outcome.  You could help that humble mayor/sheriff overcome the crime boss, which is basically the right thing to do, but the place actually REALLY prospers in the end if you help that crime boss.
 
2013-01-10 03:16:41 AM  
Oh, here's another random question:

Anyone else fight tooth and nail to keep Dogmeat alive through Fallout 1?

/That dog's the only NPC I will accept.
//You're cool and all, Fawkes, but no.  It's me and the pooch.
 
2013-01-10 03:29:52 AM  

Relatively Obscure: One thing I liked about 1 & 2 (never played NV) was that you could do the "right" thing, and end up with a somewhat worse outcome. You could help that humble mayor/sheriff overcome the crime boss, which is basically the right thing to do, but the place actually REALLY prospers in the end if you help that crime boss.


see, I liked that about them. made it more realistic to me. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Relatively Obscure: Anyone else fight tooth and nail to keep Dogmeat alive through Fallout 1?


oh yeah. and Cassidy from fallout 2. he always seemed to end up dead quicker than anyone else.
 
2013-01-10 03:42:32 AM  

log_jammin: Relatively Obscure: One thing I liked about 1 & 2 (never played NV) was that you could do the "right" thing, and end up with a somewhat worse outcome. You could help that humble mayor/sheriff overcome the crime boss, which is basically the right thing to do, but the place actually REALLY prospers in the end if you help that crime boss.

see, I liked that about them. made it more realistic to me. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


That's.. what I said :)
 
2013-01-10 03:44:54 AM  

log_jammin: Relatively Obscure: Anyone else fight tooth and nail to keep Dogmeat alive through Fallout 1?

oh yeah. and Cassidy from fallout 2. he always seemed to end up dead quicker than anyone else.


I had Dogmeat in 1, Dogmeat in 2, and Dogmeat in 3 (though I guess I had people along for necessary purposes from time to time).  I guess people and I just don't get along :P
 
2013-01-10 03:48:46 AM  

Relatively Obscure: That's.. what I said :)


sorry. misread it as "one thing i didn't like" for some reason.

Relatively Obscure: I had Dogmeat in 1, Dogmeat in 2, and Dogmeat in 3


I didn't think you could get dogmeat in 2. just see him during one of the special encounters. I thought the only dog in 2 was the one that gave you incredibly bad luck.
 
2013-01-10 03:50:15 AM  

log_jammin: I didn't think you could get dogmeat in 2. just see him during one of the special encounters. I thought the only dog in 2 was the one that gave you incredibly bad luck.


You can get him to go with you from that special encounter.  I can't remember how, but I'll try to find out.
 
2013-01-10 03:51:39 AM  

Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: I didn't think you could get dogmeat in 2. just see him during one of the special encounters. I thought the only dog in 2 was the one that gave you incredibly bad luck.

You can get him to go with you from that special encounter.  I can't remember how, but I'll try to find out.


Ah yes.  You have to show him your Vault 13 suit.  Then he follows you out as a companion.
 
2013-01-10 03:52:57 AM  

log_jammin: I thought the only dog in 2 was the one that gave you incredibly bad luck.


Oh god.  THAT dog.  There are also the dumbass robot dogs, though.  But, no thanks.  Give me the good ol', loyal, non-judgmental Dogmeat any day.
 
2013-01-10 04:00:32 AM  

Relatively Obscure: h yes. You have to show him your Vault 13 suit. Then he follows you out as a companion.


that sounds right now that I think about it.
 
2013-01-10 04:03:26 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Oh, here's another random question:

Anyone else fight tooth and nail to keep Dogmeat alive through Fallout 1?


Dogmeat died in my first fight with him in Fallout 1, so I never bothered with him again or in any of the sequels because he seemed utterly useless. :/
 
2013-01-10 04:17:31 AM  

starsrift: Relatively Obscure: Oh, here's another random question:

Anyone else fight tooth and nail to keep Dogmeat alive through Fallout 1?

Dogmeat died in my first fight with him in Fallout 1, so I never bothered with him again or in any of the sequels because he seemed utterly useless. :/


Ha, understandable. He is pretty fragile in 1, especially mid-late game. But I grew attached to the mutt. In 3, in the other hand (at least with Broken Steel), that mutt is apparently the Almighty God of Canines.
 
2013-01-10 04:21:53 AM  
I saw Dogmeat take on a Behemoth soli in 3 for several minutes before I turned my attention away from raiders long enough to notice. Thought the thing was locked up, but that dog got to it. Didn't even faze him
 
2013-01-10 04:22:43 AM  
Solo. Stupid phone/me.
 
2013-01-10 04:24:14 AM  
I'm going to have to update your label to something like "likes fallout almost as much as me"
 
2013-01-10 04:29:28 AM  

log_jammin: I'm going to have to update your label to something like "likes fallout almost as much as me"


:D
 
2013-01-10 07:23:58 AM  
It's a little sad, but my biggest gripe with NV was that the Chinese Stealth Armor didnt work like it did in F3.
 
2013-01-10 10:22:43 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Ha, understandable. He is pretty fragile in 1, especially mid-late game. But I grew attached to the mutt. In 3, in the other hand (at least with Broken Steel), that mutt is apparently the Almighty God of Canines.


I think they farked up the companions in Broken Steel. I had Fawkes following me around and he could stand next to a pile of exploding cars and lose like 5% of his health. Granted he's huge, but I don't think he's supposed to be that tough.

At that point though there was nothing in the game that was close to a threat so I just went with it.
 
2013-01-10 10:56:59 AM  

alwaysjaded: Relatively Obscure: Having just (mostly) finished replaying Fallout 1 through Fallout 3 (plus SOME of the extra content), yes please.

Ditto. I got this game years ago for the PC but always lost interest by the first town. Had some down time in November recently, got it for the PS3 and couldn't put it down. Same with New Vegas but I can't finish it cause the game becomes WAY too bug ridden and unplayable (for me it a few hours after I met Mr. House). About to buy a gaming PC so hopefully I can finish them. I can't wait to see what 4 has to offer.

Plus it will be much more interesting exploring Boston than the desert.


I had to kill Mr. House. And when he asked me why I was going to kill him, I said it was a personality thing. Which was true. I hated Rene Auberjonois when he was on "Benson", and now I could have my revenge.

Does that make me a bad person?
 
2013-01-10 11:13:54 AM  

you have pee hands: Relatively Obscure: Ha, understandable. He is pretty fragile in 1, especially mid-late game. But I grew attached to the mutt. In 3, in the other hand (at least with Broken Steel), that mutt is apparently the Almighty God of Canines.

I think they farked up the companions in Broken Steel. I had Fawkes following me around and he could stand next to a pile of exploding cars and lose like 5% of his health. Granted he's huge, but I don't think he's supposed to be that tough.

At that point though there was nothing in the game that was close to a threat so I just went with it.


I'm pretty sure, yeah.  I only ever used Dogmeat, and I tended to be a long-distance stealth/sniper type, so it didn't really impact my game much other than keep the dog from dying to its own boneheaded mistakes, so I was happy.
 
2013-01-10 11:27:44 AM  

you have pee hands: Relatively Obscure: Ha, understandable. He is pretty fragile in 1, especially mid-late game. But I grew attached to the mutt. In 3, in the other hand (at least with Broken Steel), that mutt is apparently the Almighty God of Canines.

I think they farked up the companions in Broken Steel. I had Fawkes following me around and he could stand next to a pile of exploding cars and lose like 5% of his health. Granted he's huge, but I don't think he's supposed to be that tough.

At that point though there was nothing in the game that was close to a threat so I just went with it.


Yea they had a glitch due to the increased level cap from Broken Steel. Instead of just adding to Fawkes/Dogmeat's health every time you leveled (after 20), it multiplied. So instead of having roughly 600 health at max, they went well into the thousands.

I shot a fully loaded MIRV (8 mini-nukes) at Fawkes to see what would happen, and he still had 3 health bars left.
 
2013-01-10 11:50:32 AM  
Huge fan of the Fallout series, and definitely very excited for FO4. Love 3 and NV equally, though the first time I tried NV I hated it, quit, and didn't pick it up again until months later... was tramping around a bit until seeing the Legions' horrors in Nipton (the lottery) and man alive THAT got me fired up and emotionally involved with the world.

I think that's the big difference between 3 and NV for me - 3 being set in a city I knew, that I could recognize in its destroyed and crumbling state, was emotionally jarring and exciting, it gives you a feeling of the loss and directionless that I think is the lynchpin of any good post-apocalypse story. New Vegas just wasn't... damaged enough, or something - it's not so much a post-war wasteland as it is simply 'the desert with more rubble than usual'.

I think it's a great move to set the games in cities we know and love/hate, it gives you a connection to the world that otherwise wouldn't necessarily be there. Other than that I trust the developers, both games have had their moments of great story-telling, and great acting.

I'm still all messed up over this guy:

videogametalk.com
 
2013-01-10 01:36:00 PM  
I'd also like to give a huge shout-out to the modding community for taking FO3, NV and Skyrim and giving me the option of turning the games into something truly breathtaking. Particularly FO3 - whomever did the streetlights mod practically brought me to my knees. Wandering around, seeing that someone had tried to restore some kind of basic service - or coming across a derelict Chryslus around a street corner, lit up partially by a flickering light... magical. Hell, seeing the Super Duper Mart lit at night was insane.

Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: I'm still all messed up over this guy:

[videogametalk.com image 500x281]


Hitomi, I don't remember that from NV - what was the story behind the pic?
 
2013-01-10 01:40:29 PM  

Znuh: Hitomi, I don't remember that from NV - what was the story behind the pic?


dead money expansion. he is the damaged super mutant dog/god who you can assist/murder
 
2013-01-10 01:48:20 PM  

Znuh: Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: I'm still all messed up over this guy:

[videogametalk.com image 500x281]

Hitomi, I don't remember that from NV - what was the story behind the pic?


That's Dog/God. A mutant with split personality that Father Elijah locked up. One personality is basically a dog, very loyal but will tear your ass up if you do something wrong. The other (God) is an articulate, well-spoken individual (think Marcus from the Mutant camp), who just wants to take care of Dog, but Dog hates him because of the voices, so he mutilates himself to "calm the voices".

He's from the Dead Money DLC. Not a very good DLC in my opinion, too linear for the Fallout Series, but the characters were interesting and the loot aspect was pretty cool. It really tests you on your greed.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:02 PM  
Mucho thanks - it's possible I missed that specific DLC...

And secondly, a quick question to the modders, if I was to build a new PC to really get into the new series of mods (FO3 / NV / Skyrim) and seriously crank up the resolution - what kind of base specs do I need to build to?

/Been a while
//Processor specs and video card specs would be the most helpful
///Already assuming SSD and 8 gigs of Mem
 
Kiz
2013-01-10 02:20:13 PM  

scottydoesntknow:
He's from the Dead Money DLC. Not a very good DLC in my opinion, too linear for the Fallout Series, but the characters were interesting and the loot aspect was pretty cool. It really tests you on your greed.


I managed to carry out exactly 1 gold bar and live. Two would've weighed me down too much. :-)
 
2013-01-10 03:07:14 PM  

Kiz: I managed to carry out exactly 1 gold bar and live. Two would've weighed me down too much. :-)


my second time around i only had the stealth suit, BAR, and gold when i ran out. greed all the way!
 
2013-01-10 03:52:37 PM  

Znuh: Hitomi, I don't remember that from NV - what was the story behind the pic?


Already well-answered above but yeah, a split-personality super mutant. I've always had a weakness for the super mutants I guess, Fawkes was by far my favorite character in 3. I tried to overhear all of Dog/God's monologues, and at one point sneaking up and hearing him sob to himself just really got to me. YMMV and all that, but I thought he was a great character.

Dead Money was, playing-wise, very constrictive and linear, not a lot of leeway in how things were to be done and pretty frustrating in contrast to the more open structure of the larger game, but I thought the overall plot and general storytelling was very good.

The last part, though, nearly had me punch through my monitor. I got out with 5 bars (137,737 caps!) by just about stripping down to nothing, dumping equipment, and lots of drugs.
 
2013-01-10 04:40:52 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Treygreen13: I was a softie my first run. Went up and fixed his dish, blah blah blah. The 2nd time I just opened his file cabinets and looked at his records. The 3rd time I shot him in the face immediately. If you never did it in your playthrough, it's pretty funny. Some intern comes on occasionally and complains that now he has to introduce songs because some asshole killed Three Dog.

I've done a lot of the asshole choices, but I really have to MAKE myself do them.  I default to Nice(ish) Guy.


I've always played nice with Three Dog (except for one unfortunate accident...). The one place I default to asshole is in Vault 101, donig Trouble On The Homefront. I either go in there and whack everybody, destroy the water chip, or blow Amata's head off after she tells me 'Thanks for saving us, now get out. Oh, and I've blown up Megaton a couple of times.
 
2013-01-10 05:56:47 PM  
How ironic. A dog just made me drool.
 
2013-01-10 06:29:38 PM  

NecoConeco: Oh, and I've blown up Megaton a couple of times.


I never thought about it til now, but Megaton represents the only time in both F3 & NV where you actually could kill a child (barring mods of course). Lucas Simms kid, Harden Simms, is nowhere to be found after triggering the bomb.

I only blew up Megaton once, after reloading an old save to check it out, and honestly felt pretty guilty afterward.

I've mini-nuked Tenpenny hundreds of times though.
 
2013-01-10 07:11:27 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Oh, here's another random question:

Anyone else fight tooth and nail to keep Dogmeat alive through Fallout 1?

/That dog's the only NPC I will accept.
//You're cool and all, Fawkes, but no.  It's me and the pooch.


When I heard how hard it was to get Dogmeat through the military base, I went extremely slow and cautious through the whole game. Avoid groups of mutants whenever possible, keep a close eye on Dogmeat's health using the vague descriptions and not wasting stimpacks if I had my doubts, and even sacrified other NPCs to keep Dogmeat alive. And I did it, goddamnit. I kept my dog alive!

And then he got killed in the Cathedral. :(
 
2013-01-10 08:17:50 PM  

DrunkenBob: Relatively Obscure: Oh, here's another random question:

Anyone else fight tooth and nail to keep Dogmeat alive through Fallout 1?

/That dog's the only NPC I will accept.
//You're cool and all, Fawkes, but no.  It's me and the pooch.

When I heard how hard it was to get Dogmeat through the military base, I went extremely slow and cautious through the whole game. Avoid groups of mutants whenever possible, keep a close eye on Dogmeat's health using the vague descriptions and not wasting stimpacks if I had my doubts, and even sacrified other NPCs to keep Dogmeat alive. And I did it, goddamnit. I kept my dog alive!

And then he got killed in the Cathedral. :(


Those super mutant things in the Cathedral by the stairs, I bet?.  They're a biatch.  If things don't go perfect, your poor mutt doesn't stand a chance.
 
2013-01-13 12:23:20 AM  
I played FNV first and enjoyed the hell out of it. The missile launcher duel I got into with the super mutant sniper on Black Mountain while slowly being irradiated was one of the best fights I've ever been in.

Now I'm playing F03 and having a lot of trouble with money and ammo. In FNV at 8th level I had around 12000 caps and could splash around like a mad baller, as long as I went easy on the implants.

In F03, at 8th level, I just spent my last cap on ammo. I haven't found a reloading station and don't expect to. Half of the battle decisions I have to make now involve figuring how much damage I'm willing to take if I stick with the frag grenade/hunting rifle/ripper combo instead of spraying/praying with the minigun or chinese assault rifle. I'm still loving F03, but the difficulty seems higher than FNV.
 
2013-01-13 01:11:57 AM  

1stgenwhtrash: Now I'm playing F03 and having a lot of trouble with money and ammo.


Some types of ammo are rarer than others, but it won't be long before you have more than enough of each.  There is a place where you can trade in high-tech gadgets for more 5.56mm ammo, if that's your preferred type and you're really running low.
 
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