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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Why 'The Walking Dead' Killed Off Its Latest Showrunner   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 58
    More: Interesting, Glen Mazzara, Robert Kirkman, Frank Darabont, showrunner, Shawn Ryan, Kurt Sutter, THR, Mazara  
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2013-01-09 12:54:03 PM  
It's almost as if this show wants to fail but can't figure out how.
 
2013-01-09 01:02:18 PM  
Wow. I missed that somehow. So... um... huh.

That's not very good.
 
2013-01-09 01:40:21 PM  
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2013-01-09 02:51:34 PM  
What the fark is a "showrunner?"
 
2013-01-09 02:59:06 PM  

Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"


He runs shows, Avi.
 
2013-01-09 03:32:50 PM  

Mentat: It's almost as if this show wants to fail but can't figure out how.


Like someone shot it in the chest and it just kept right on going.
 
2013-01-09 03:42:40 PM  

Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"


me too
 
2013-01-09 03:45:39 PM  
I believe the industry needs to create a much better word for "show-runner" that doesn't make them sound like streakers.

Also, if the dispute is between the guy in charge of the TV show and the guy in charge of the underlying intellectual property that the show was based on - that seems like the kind of thing that should have been settled before they ever went into production.
 
2013-01-09 03:46:51 PM  
He was black, wasn't he?
 
2013-01-09 03:47:51 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

me too


Person chiefly involved with coming up with the main storyline and vision for a series.

Examples:

Whedon was the showrunner for Firefly, Milch for Deadwood, David Chase for Sopranos, JMS for Babylon 5,Vince Gilligan for Breaking Bad, Matt Weiner for Mad Men, etc. etc etc
 
2013-01-09 03:48:25 PM  
according to the article they let him go cause of his second half of season 3, if that second half stinks we know it was the right decision
 
2013-01-09 03:50:41 PM  
So he's gonna return later shuffling his feet and drooling, right?
 
2013-01-09 03:53:59 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Crewmannumber6: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

me too

Person chiefly involved with coming up with the main storyline and vision for a series.

Examples:

Whedon was the showrunner for Firefly, Milch for Deadwood, David Chase for Sopranos, JMS for Babylon 5,Vince Gilligan for Breaking Bad, Matt Weiner for Mad Men, etc. etc etc


he's the showrunner thats correct, but none of those other shows you listed were based off of a hugely popular book. I can understand the conflict for sure, but i think kirkman can pull it off. It's not like they're going to get some crappy showrunner for the #1 show
 
2013-01-09 03:56:14 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Crewmannumber6: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

me too

Person chiefly involved with coming up with the main storyline and vision for a series.

Examples:

Whedon was the showrunner for Firefly, Milch for Deadwood, David Chase for Sopranos, JMS for Babylon 5,Vince Gilligan for Breaking Bad, Matt Weiner for Mad Men, etc. etc etc


Don't they call that "executive-producer"?
 
2013-01-09 03:57:40 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

me too


I looked it up on Wikipedia. Apparently, it's the one person that's ultimately responsible for the show. Part writer, part producer, part director. They used to call those people "executive producers" but that title started to get attached to people that didn't really do anything other than contribute money or other backing to the show. So instead of taking the title back they just decided to make a new one.
 
2013-01-09 04:00:43 PM  

Mentat: It's almost as if this show wants to fail but can't figure out how.


From what I've seen, the writing and acting?
 
2013-01-09 04:02:11 PM  
Well, that's not good.
 
2013-01-09 04:04:33 PM  
Hopefully the people complaining about this aren't the same people that were complaining because the series veered from the comic book. That would be a bit hypocritical.
 
2013-01-09 04:05:07 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Crewmannumber6: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

me too

I looked it up on Wikipedia. Apparently, it's the one person that's ultimately responsible for the show. Part writer, part producer, part director. They used to call those people "executive producers" but that title started to get attached to people that didn't really do anything other than contribute money or other backing to the show. So instead of taking the title back they just decided to make a new one.


It's also gotten to the point where lead actors on long-running shows get "executive producer" credits added as part of their contracts. It really has become meaningless as a title, even though a lot producers can do a ton of work.
 
2013-01-09 04:06:50 PM  
To be honest he utterly botched the 3rd season, and had to be let go if he wasn't even going to TRY to keep with the original story. He basically took the concept of the Prison vs Woodbury and then made his own shiat up. He took too much liberty with the shows main concept and story, and that is why he clashed with the main producer.
 
2013-01-09 04:12:56 PM  
I see another farm in the show's future.
 
2013-01-09 04:19:14 PM  
"One source says Mazzara's shortcomings in running the series during the most recent third season became "abundantly clear ... especially for the second half of the season." This source says production was shut down "several times" because of a lack of material. "

If only they had a source to go to, to get more material . . .

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2013-01-09 04:25:17 PM  
I like the comic and the TV series equally - there i said it. They stand in their own right and have grown apart naturally because of the nature of Comics vs. Television since on air you have to work with what talent you've got.

Introductions of new characters based on the actor's available (ex. Daryl / Merle) have basically made this an "alternate universe" with the same rough beginning. Even the way some of the actors are portraying normally loved characters from the comic (Bad Ass Sniper Chick Andrea) isn't a bad thing. It's a give and take, we get Ho Bag Andrea but it opens up for a more 'human' and fully developed Governor.

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I really enjoy the manipulative pretty boy verion instead of the psychotic dictator from the comic - it felt a little more convincing that he could get the entire town to follow his lead by back stabbing anyone and everything in his way of being seen as their savior. It also is telling that he would be willing to throw his right hand man to the dogs just to maintain this perception with the angry mob.

/still excited for the second half of the season
//fark yeah Tyrese
//Slashies come in threes
 
2013-01-09 04:31:32 PM  

MrSteve007: "One source says Mazzara's shortcomings in running the series during the most recent third season became "abundantly clear ... especially for the second half of the season." This source says production was shut down "several times" because of a lack of material. "

If only they had a source to go to, to get more material . . .

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SPOILER ALERT Steve! C'mon! Don't you know the covers in that series never lie and could easily confuse and upset the two farkers in every Walking Dead thread that can't be bothered to read the comics but get upset when they're referenced in related messageboards & threads?

I may slowly be becoming those who I despise most.

My redemption/ a sneak peek for those who have yet to see.
 
2013-01-09 04:38:47 PM  
Why is Greg Dulli leading Woodbury?

And if you were going to fire someone, wouldn't it have been after the first half of season 2, which you could have told in a 30 second montage and lost nothing?
 
2013-01-09 04:48:48 PM  

NeoCortex42: It's also gotten to the point where lead actors on long-running shows get "executive producer" credits added as part of their contracts. It really has become meaningless as a title, even though a lot producers can do a ton of work.


I'm hoping that doesn't kill Justified, although it opened well last night.


Poorlytoldjoke: Why is Greg Dulli leading Woodbury?


From the Afghan Whigs?
 
2013-01-09 05:04:43 PM  

Baelz: To be honest he utterly botched the 3rd season, and had to be let go if he wasn't even going to TRY to keep with the original story. He basically took the concept of the Prison vs Woodbury and then made his own shiat up. He took too much liberty with the shows main concept and story, and that is why he clashed with the main producer.


He'd have to take some liberties. The comic is mostly dumb characters putting themselves in dumb situations, letting their guard down only for something bad to happen (usually caused by another character being a spiteful dick who wouldn't survive a cruise much less a zombie horde), then repeat with something even worse happens. Every likable character eventually becomes just another asshole, like Rick, or gets murdered, like Tyreese or Glenn. Kirkman knows how to tell a terrible sequence of never ending events, but he doesn't know how to tell a good story and I wouldn't trust his ability to run a TV show.
 
2013-01-09 05:25:00 PM  

Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"


No idea. Never heard it before two years ago, now it's everywhere.
 
2013-01-09 05:31:38 PM  
Next, everyone should go into a baseball thread and start asking about what a general manager's duties are, what WAR is, etc.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:27 PM  

thegod082: Next, everyone should go into a baseball thread and start asking about what a general manager's duties are, what WAR is, etc.


You're so cool, Brewster.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:44 PM  
blah blah blah zombies...

zombies, i've been over it for a decade now.
 
2013-01-09 05:43:02 PM  

theurge14: So he's gonna return later shuffling his feet and drooling, right?


Karl will take care of that small problem.
 
2013-01-09 05:54:31 PM  
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2013-01-09 05:58:12 PM  

TheLopper: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

No idea. Never heard it before two years ago, now it's everywhere.


It started as a British thing, iirc. First time I heard it was in relation to Doctor Who.


Baelz: To be honest he utterly botched the 3rd season, and had to be let go if he wasn't even going to TRY to keep with the original story. He basically took the concept of the Prison vs Woodbury and then made his own shiat up. He took too much liberty with the shows main concept and story, and that is why he clashed with the main producer.


If they stuck faithfully to the comic version of the story why would anyone who'd read the comic bother watching?
 
2013-01-09 06:09:38 PM  

fusillade762: TheLopper: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

No idea. Never heard it before two years ago, now it's everywhere.

It started as a British thing, iirc. First time I heard it was in relation to Doctor Who.


Baelz: To be honest he utterly botched the 3rd season, and had to be let go if he wasn't even going to TRY to keep with the original story. He basically took the concept of the Prison vs Woodbury and then made his own shiat up. He took too much liberty with the shows main concept and story, and that is why he clashed with the main producer.

If they stuck faithfully to the comic version of the story why would anyone who'd read the comic bother watching?


thats the same logic they used with the bible and church
 
2013-01-09 06:27:59 PM  

fusillade762: If they stuck faithfully to the comic version of the story why would anyone who'd read the comic bother watching?


I saw "The Road" before I read the book "The Road." Everyone in the movie read the book. The movie was boring ass. My wife said it was amazing.

Then I read the book. The whole thing makes much more sense, but it's a boring movie that is a perfect homage to a good book.

I'd rather make something that stands up on it's own merits.

SO they fired the guy who rescued us from season 2? Okay. Whatevs.
 
2013-01-09 06:28:48 PM  
At first I thought this was old news and more picking on Darabont, didn't know they're going for their 3rd showrunner.

The show is frustrating, I keep watching it but I wish it was better. It's so close to be great, but they keep going left when they should go right.
 
2013-01-09 06:32:19 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Crewmannumber6: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

me too

Person chiefly involved with coming up with the main storyline and vision for a series.

Examples:

Whedon was the showrunner for Firefly, Milch for Deadwood, David Chase for Sopranos, JMS for Babylon 5,Vince Gilligan for Breaking Bad, Matt Weiner for Mad Men, etc. etc etc


Who's the person responsible for only allowing one black man in the cast?
 
2013-01-09 07:06:20 PM  

Baelz: To be honest he utterly botched the 3rd season, and had to be let go if he wasn't even going to TRY to keep with the original story. He basically took the concept of the Prison vs Woodbury and then made his own shiat up. He took too much liberty with the shows main concept and story, and that is why he clashed with the main producer.


Utterly botched? Considering season 2's protracted stay at the farm and terrible handling of multiple characters, I think this season has been quite an upswing thus far. Not to mention, the original story went out the window pretty early (CDC, Shane, etc.).
 
2013-01-09 07:15:25 PM  
With how many dozens of shows about Police/Lawyers/Doctors, I love it when people bash The Walking Dead because zombies are just so overdone. It's like when someone complains about multiple horror movies coming out in the same quarter. It's called a 'genre', its allowed to have more than one item in it. Except in this case, that of zombie shows, there really is just 1. And it's better than most other shows out right now.

"But I mean there's just been so many zombie movies/comics/games/books/halmark cards/whatevers lately"

Yes, but really, there's been zombie-themed all that stuff all your life. And those things still aren't TV shows.
 
2013-01-09 07:17:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

He runs shows, Avi.


I leffed, bai.
 
2013-01-09 07:21:17 PM  
Maybe the previous showrunner had to go because they were screwing up good characters from the comic.

The comic version of Michonne doesn't just scowl at things and comic version of Andrea isn't a retarded coont. Both of them are strong, intelligent, bad-ass women and the show is farking their characters up.
 
2013-01-09 07:29:08 PM  

Already Disturbed: Baelz: To be honest he utterly botched the 3rd season, and had to be let go if he wasn't even going to TRY to keep with the original story. He basically took the concept of the Prison vs Woodbury and then made his own shiat up. He took too much liberty with the shows main concept and story, and that is why he clashed with the main producer.

Utterly botched? Considering season 2's protracted stay at the farm and terrible handling of multiple characters, I think this season has been quite an upswing thus far. Not to mention, the original story went out the window pretty early (CDC, Shane, etc.).


There has been a lot of interesting action of late and that has certainly been a good thing.

I'm fine with the story changing for television. They were never going to show Michonne getting brutally raped and damn near beaten to death. I also find the rewritten Governor more believable and interesting than the comic version.

However, turning beloved characters from the book into coont hammers isn't a good change. If you want to go off on your own, add new and interesting characters like Daryl, don't fark up cool characters like Andrea.
 
2013-01-09 07:51:30 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Mentat: It's almost as if this show wants to fail but can't figure out how.

Like someone shot it in the chest and it just kept right on going.


If only there was a metaphor that would cover this situation...
 
2013-01-09 07:52:35 PM  

Baelz: To be honest he utterly botched the 3rd season, and had to be let go if he wasn't even going to TRY to keep with the original story. He basically took the concept of the Prison vs Woodbury and then made his own shiat up. He took too much liberty with the shows main concept and story, and that is why he clashed with the main producer.


If you want the comics, read the comics.
 
2013-01-09 09:21:14 PM  

Lando Lincoln: thegod082: Next, everyone should go into a baseball thread and start asking about what a general manager's duties are, what WAR is, etc.

You're so cool, Brewster.


I wasn't aware that the Fark comments are for celebrating ignorance. I'm sorry, and in the future my expectations will be adjusted to be more accommodating of Youtube-level statements.
 
2013-01-09 11:44:05 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: OtherLittleGuy: Crewmannumber6: Lando Lincoln: What the fark is a "showrunner?"

me too

Person chiefly involved with coming up with the main storyline and vision for a series.

Examples:

Whedon was the showrunner for Firefly, Milch for Deadwood, David Chase for Sopranos, JMS for Babylon 5,Vince Gilligan for Breaking Bad, Matt Weiner for Mad Men, etc. etc etc

Who's the person responsible for only allowing one black man in the cast?


That would be the showrunner. That is the guy ultimately responsible from script direction to casting decisions. He doesn't write the T-Dog death but he approves it. BTW Kirkman has been pretty publicly supportive of the TV series being different than the comic because if it was 100% faithful to the comic then why in the hell would the comic fanbase watch? They would already know what would happen. And the changes I have loved except Andrea in the 3rd season.
 
2013-01-10 12:19:47 AM  

thegod082: Lando Lincoln: thegod082: Next, everyone should go into a baseball thread and start asking about what a general manager's duties are, what WAR is, etc.

You're so cool, Brewster.

I wasn't aware that the Fark comments are for celebrating ignorance. I'm sorry, and in the future my expectations will be adjusted to be more accommodating of Youtube-level statements.


No, seriously.  You are really farking cool that you knew the term "showrunner" and many of us were stuck in the "executive producer" dark ages.  Kudos.
 
2013-01-10 01:29:13 AM  

CarnySaur: Hopefully the people complaining about this aren't the same people that were complaining because the series veered from the comic book. That would be a bit hypocritical.


Of course it will be.
 
2013-01-10 09:52:55 AM  
I have enjoyed season 3 of the show tremendously (other than Michonne having no real reason to go looking for teh Gov). The last episode was exciting and tense. It made for some really good tv.

/LOVING the comic right now, the newest issue ended on a huge cliffhanger.

//go get it, so-called fans

///you are not a real Walking Dead fan if you have not at least caught up on the current storyline. I am not saying "go read the comic" but you should at least read a synopsis someplace and catch up on what is going on in the ACTUAL Walking Dead universe. The current storyline is pretty damned good.
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(Michonne, Rick, Andrea and Jesus face down some walkers)
 
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