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(Gizmodo)   You remember that guy who had an Amiga. How they would always tell you how awesome it was? Or how many hours you would spend playing Beamrider and Smurf on your Commodore64? Now you can re-live those times   (gizmodo.com) divider line 80
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2013-01-09 02:05:21 PM
The Amiga and C=64 were (and still are) awesome.

These are not Amigas nor C=64s.

What's your point?
 
2013-01-09 02:07:34 PM
They just want you to buy overpriced computers that have a familiar name on them.

*reads the article*

Scratch that, massively overpriced computers.
 
2013-01-09 02:07:42 PM
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images.macnn.com
I'm sure this won't cause any problems.
 
2013-01-09 02:08:32 PM
I see the prices of the Amiga and C64 haven't changed in 20ish years.

/paid ~$1000 for a full C64 setup
 
2013-01-09 02:10:52 PM
Hey apple... Amiga's power button is on the FRONT.
 
2013-01-09 02:11:48 PM
You can relive those times for free with emulators.
 
2013-01-09 02:13:22 PM
$2495 for a C64 Emulator?
Why when...

jonny_q: You can relive those times for free with emulators.

 
2013-01-09 02:13:37 PM

theresnothinglft: Hey apple... Amiga's power button is on the FRONT.


The location of the power button isn't actually part of that patent (see it in dotted line on the back?).
 
2013-01-09 02:15:10 PM
Couldn't a Raspberry Pi run an emulator at a cost $35 instead of $2500?
 
2013-01-09 02:16:07 PM
Parents sold my Amiga 500 at a yard sale after I moved out. Still bitter about that. Yeah, I know, "you should have taken all that crap with you if you wanted it" - that's just what dad said too.
 
2013-01-09 02:21:58 PM

EngineerAU: Couldn't a Raspberry Pi run an emulator at a cost $35 instead of $2500?


Not Raspberry Pi, you probably need at least Core2 strength to successfully emulate everything. Hell, the browser-based emulators need i7 horsepower to play most games due to massive inefficiency.
 
2013-01-09 02:22:03 PM

Theaetetus: theresnothinglft: Hey apple... Amiga's power button is on the FRONT.

The location of the power button isn't actually part of that patent (see it in dotted line on the back?).


It's about this looking like it will be a competitor to Apple's MacMini (which i have one of) and that has the main power button on the back. That button on the back makes it really annoying to place the MacMini anywhere cause you have to reach around to hit it while keeping the DvD drive slot on the front.
 
2013-01-09 02:24:38 PM

Frozboz: Parents sold my Amiga 500 at a yard sale after I moved out. Still bitter about that. Yeah, I know, "you should have taken all that crap with you if you wanted it" - that's just what dad said too.


My C64 and all the disks are the only thing I've kept since childhood. I don't know if it still works and I don't care.
 
2013-01-09 02:28:49 PM
The Amiga was the greatest computing platform of all time.

OF ALL TIME

/ has an original Amiga autographed by the designers
// and a boing-ball decal autographed by RJ Mical
/// OF ALL TIME
 
2013-01-09 02:29:36 PM
And yet my Atari ST is still in use, makes for a rather quirky MIDI setup.
 
2013-01-09 02:29:38 PM

Dorf11: I see the prices of the Amiga and C64 haven't changed in 20ish years.

/paid ~$1000 for a full C64 setup


Huge money to spend on such a thing back when minimum wage was $3.35 and gas was under a buck a gallon. Us poor kids/kids of low-life smelly hippies that pissed their money away on weed had to get by with a $99 Ti99/4A, Aquarius, Timex Sinclair, or just maybe an Atari 400 or Vic-20. Walked to school uphill and ate a handful of hot gravel, etc.
 
2013-01-09 02:33:10 PM
i was really tempted to buy my dad one of the c64 reissues when they came out, if only because he was so obstinate about his that he kept it running and used it as his primary computer until oh 1997 or so.

damn thing still works too.
 
2013-01-09 02:38:46 PM

theresnothinglft: Theaetetus: theresnothinglft: Hey apple... Amiga's power button is on the FRONT.

The location of the power button isn't actually part of that patent (see it in dotted line on the back?).

It's about this looking like it will be a competitor to Apple's MacMini (which i have one of) and that has the main power button on the back. That button on the back makes it really annoying to place the MacMini anywhere cause you have to reach around to hit it while keeping the DvD drive slot on the front.


Oh, agreed. I've got two Minis. Love the little buggers, but that power switch is obnoxious.

OTOH, I have two external drives for one of them, and one has an unlabeled capacitive power switch. So, touch it on the wrong place and it suddenly shuts off.
 
2013-01-09 02:39:54 PM

Vaneshi: And yet my Atari ST is still in use, makes for a rather quirky MIDI setup.


lol... I just had to emulate an Atari ST to run an old MIDI application, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-01-09 02:41:25 PM
Load "boulderdash" ,8,1
 
2013-01-09 02:44:07 PM

EngineerAU: Couldn't a Raspberry Pi run an emulator at a cost $35 instead of $2500?


yes, but where's the fanboi in that?
 
2013-01-09 02:44:55 PM

madgonad: Not Raspberry Pi, you probably need at least Core2 strength to successfully emulate everything. Hell, the browser-based emulators need i7 horsepower to play most games due to massive inefficiency.


bollocks.
 
2013-01-09 02:46:33 PM

Vaneshi: And yet my Atari ST is still in use, makes for a rather quirky MIDI setup.


I wrote my firts piece of classical music on 'Quartet'. *sigh* got me a great grade in high school music. Loved that machine.
 
2013-01-09 02:46:44 PM
The Commodore 64 launched at $595. Not sure about peripherals, though.

A Raspberry Pi could easily emulate a Commodore 64 at full speed; the first Pentium machines were already doing it in the 1990s. An Amiga might be a taller order, but any modern desktop would be up to the challenge.
 
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2013-01-09 02:48:27 PM

Dorf11: I see the prices of the Amiga and C64 haven't changed in 20ish years.

/paid ~$1000 for a full C64 setup


$1000? What did you have? I don't think my setup was that expensive with monitor, 1526 printer, 1541 disk drive, 1571 disk drive.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:47 PM

Theaetetus: Vaneshi: And yet my Atari ST is still in use, makes for a rather quirky MIDI setup.

lol... I just had to emulate an Atari ST to run an old MIDI application, so I'm getting a kick...


Which emulator did you use out of interest?
 
2013-01-09 02:52:32 PM
markrandall.com
 
2013-01-09 02:52:40 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: Huge money to spend on such a thing back when minimum wage was $3.35 and gas was under a buck a gallon. Us poor kids/kids of low-life smelly hippies that pissed their money away on weed had to get by with a $99 Ti99/4A, Aquarius, Timex Sinclair, or just maybe an Atari 400 or Vic-20. Walked to school uphill and ate a handful of hot gravel, etc.


Agreed. Son of a small-acreage farmer, even my self-absorbed 12-year old self knew what an investment this was. I guess it paid off, as that experience helps employ me today. Can't remember if it was an especially good year on the farm or a really bad year (paid by crop insurance). :)
 
2013-01-09 02:54:42 PM

rpm: Dorf11: I see the prices of the Amiga and C64 haven't changed in 20ish years.

/paid ~$1000 for a full C64 setup

$1000? What did you have? I don't think my setup was that expensive with monitor, 1526 printer, 1541 disk drive, 1571 disk drive.


I had to have it at launch. pentomino's price sounds about right, plus monitor and 1541. Oh, and $Cdn. My mistake for not mentioning that.
 
2013-01-09 02:55:25 PM

uttertosh: madgonad: Not Raspberry Pi, you probably need at least Core2 strength to successfully emulate everything. Hell, the browser-based emulators need i7 horsepower to play most games due to massive inefficiency.

bollocks.


Actually it depends how accurate an emulation you are doing. It takes very little processing power to emulate a SNES well enough for 99.9% of ROMs to be happy with it, but to actually emulate the silicon properly... that's some serious grunt.

A SNES emulator set to max accuracy will bring an i7 to it's knees but you'd only really be interested in that level of emulation if you were an archivist.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:19 PM
This is the OS that these things run.

dl.dropbox.com

How is this in any way anything like the original Commodore "experience"? As mentioned already, emulators are free, and give that experience a heck of a lot better than some Mac Mini ripoff or C64 chassis stocked with modern components and running a (very crappy-looking) Ubuntu port.
 
2013-01-09 02:58:33 PM

EngineerAU: Couldn't a Raspberry Pi run an emulator at a cost $35 instead of $2500?


An Amiga emulator? Probably not, since Amiga is built for PPC processors. You can buy a new board that will run actual AmigaOS for like $600.
 
2013-01-09 02:59:26 PM

ItachiNai: This is the OS that these things run.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x679]

How is this in any way anything like the original Commodore "experience"? As mentioned already, emulators are free, and give that experience a heck of a lot better than some Mac Mini ripoff or C64 chassis stocked with modern components and running a (very crappy-looking) Ubuntu port.


They could of at least TRIED to make it look like Workbench, besides which my god that looks fugly.
 
2013-01-09 03:00:43 PM
Stay a while.....stay FOREVER!
 
2013-01-09 03:05:11 PM

uttertosh: madgonad: Not Raspberry Pi, you probably need at least Core2 strength to successfully emulate everything. Hell, the browser-based emulators need i7 horsepower to play most games due to massive inefficiency.

bollocks.


You try it.

The JS in HTML5 is just completely inefficient here.
Of course installed emulators do much, much better. A browser-window isn't that great for many things. This is one of them.
 
2013-01-09 03:06:00 PM

mccallcl:
An Amiga emulator? Probably not, since Amiga is built for PPC processors. You can buy a new board that will run actual AmigaOS for like $600.


Not so much, the miggy most people remember fondly was a m68k based machine.

And erm... well if you can get the Pi to run Android then yes, you can emulate an Amiga on it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ab.uae&hl=en

Because there's an ARM based Amiga emulator.
 
2013-01-09 03:08:43 PM
Am i old in that in college we used Amiga's Deluxe Paint IV to do 2D animation?
 
2013-01-09 03:09:07 PM

Vaneshi: ItachiNai: This is the OS that these things run.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x679]

How is this in any way anything like the original Commodore "experience"? As mentioned already, emulators are free, and give that experience a heck of a lot better than some Mac Mini ripoff or C64 chassis stocked with modern components and running a (very crappy-looking) Ubuntu port.

They could of at least TRIED to make it look like Workbench, besides which my god that looks fugly.


Heck, they could have even made an effort to reach a deal with the community that has obviously been working hard to keep AmigaOS alive!
Link

Instead, no. They'll have their 12 year-old kids develop a custom theme for Mint and turn on every Compiz effect they can find. Sad to see that Commodore has been reduced to Apple's interpretation of the word "innovative". Heck, that Mac Mini clone case is pretty much making the point for me before it even gets switched on.
 
2013-01-09 03:11:52 PM
Also agreed this AIN'T an Amiga or C64. just someone selling a Chinese Mac Mini ripoff with a familiar name. :P

(And you poor kids of pot-smoking hippies had it EASY. Us folks who were unfortunate enough to be both poor AND born to people arse-deep into "Prosperity Gospel" stuff that was promoting God as a pyramid scheme pretty much looked in ENVY of your TI-99/4As and Sinclairs and Trash-80s, because any money available was pretty much being given to televangelists and televangelist-wannabes (likely to buy THEIR kids Amigas and C-64s, if not vacations to Fiji and Kenya and Haifa under the guise of "evangelism"). I'd happily trade my maternal unit for a pot-smoking hippy, trust me--probably wouldn't have literal PTSD over money issues otherwise :D)

(That said, fortunately I DID have an uncle who WASN'T into the "Name It And Claim It" crap, and I got to play on their Amiga :D First computer I really got to mess with extensively, at that.)
 
2013-01-09 03:17:42 PM
I'd absolutely love to be able to play some Mail Order Monsters. But not for $2.5k.
 
2013-01-09 03:19:47 PM

madgonad: The JS in HTML5 is just completely inefficient here.


In a BROWSER? You mean a web browser? *facepalm*

just stop right there. We've identified the problem you're having. And the reason your ultra-delux i7 quad-core gaming rig is being fried by a damn amiga emulation.

Why the fark would I want to emulate in JS/HTML5? That has to be one of the most ridiculously inefficient ways round emulation that you could possibly conceive.


shiat, I've been emuing successfully on a 1st gen core2 laptop with sub-par-for-the-time onboard grapics.
 
2013-01-09 03:23:40 PM

Vaneshi: A SNES emulator set to max accuracy will bring an i7 to it's knees but you'd only really be interested in that level of emulation if you were an archivist.


ok, fine.

At least you agree that to emu an amiga to 99.999% accuracy shouldn't need something helium cooled from Cray.
 
2013-01-09 03:28:41 PM

uttertosh: madgonad: The JS in HTML5 is just completely inefficient here.

In a BROWSER? You mean a web browser? *facepalm*

just stop right there. We've identified the problem you're having. And the reason your ultra-delux i7 quad-core gaming rig is being fried by a damn amiga emulation.

Why the fark would I want to emulate in JS/HTML5? That has to be one of the most ridiculously inefficient ways round emulation that you could possibly conceive.


shiat, I've been emuing successfully on a 1st gen core2 laptop with sub-par-for-the-time onboard grapics.


If you read my original post I stated that regular emulating software could do the job just fine with Core2, but the browser-based emulators need some serious horsepower due to the JS inefficiency.
 
2013-01-09 03:31:33 PM

Vaneshi: ItachiNai: This is the OS that these things run.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x679]

How is this in any way anything like the original Commodore "experience"? As mentioned already, emulators are free, and give that experience a heck of a lot better than some Mac Mini ripoff or C64 chassis stocked with modern components and running a (very crappy-looking) Ubuntu port.

They could of at least TRIED to make it look like Workbench, besides which my god that looks fugly.


I think that wallpaper is what's making it look so bad. other than that, it looks just like Ubuntu with some differnt Icons.

does this mean one could just download the Vision OS for free somewhere? I'll actually check in a moment or so. I would hope that the emulation software for original systems is at least matched to hardware under the hood for a "seamless" experience.


I was the poor kid with the VIK-20, but I did love it. had a the tape drive and the thermal printer, a hand me down Color TV to run it thru. The brother went out and got the C-64/128 with a disk drive and the 1541composite monitor.

I've actually had several 1541 monitors over the years. great little composite monitors really. used them for all sorts of things. Display for the NES, for example. and of course, when I inherited my aunt and uncles old BetaMax, I plugged it into a 1541, the RF output had gone out on it, they upgraded to VHS, and gave it to the kid to mess with if I wanted to .

So I discovered that, yes, the RF was dead, but the composite out was just fine and HEY! i just happen to have a composite monitor laying around!

great picture quality with the BETA and the 1541. thinking back on it after all these years, it was probably just a case of having to re-flow the solder on the board. but hell, I got the thing working, and they all thought I was a genius for doing so, so what the hell?
 
2013-01-09 03:34:30 PM
i406.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 03:34:54 PM

madgonad: If you read my original post I stated that regular emulating software could do the job just fine with Core2, but the browser-based emulators need some serious horsepower due to the JS inefficiency.


oh, yeah. Would you look at that. So you did.

My bad. Sorry. }:-/

I still think a raspberry pi could own a c64 emu, spot on.

/might just have to go buy one to see...
 
2013-01-09 03:47:44 PM
As long as we're posting nostalgia pics:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-09 03:54:58 PM
If I wanted to play on my old Amiga, I would simply boot it up, because those suckers were built to last.

Not paying 2500 bucks for that

/though my A4000T with 68060 at 50 htz and 128 MB of Ram and a 36 GB Ultrawide SCSI HD and the Picasso 4 gfx card cost way more than 2500 bucks
 
2013-01-09 04:00:10 PM
And I thought the Mac Pro was over priced.
 
2013-01-09 04:09:38 PM
And now you are considered 'old people' that cause all of the computing problems in the world like not being able to understand email and wanting stuff like privacy and other such nonsense.
 
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