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2013-01-09 01:55:08 PM  
Hang up a picture of Santa and the Easter bunny to complete the fictional character trifecta.
 
2013-01-09 01:55:15 PM  
JESUS H CHRIST, what's wrong with these people?
 
2013-01-09 01:55:28 PM  
The obvious solution is to hang up a more realistic portrait of Jesus

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2013-01-09 01:57:24 PM  
Every time I hear the name the "Freedom from Religion Foundation" I cringe. Please stop making us atheists look bad.
 
2013-01-09 01:57:43 PM  
What's with the latest post of mythical creatures? Get over it, fundies

/fundies: anyone who believes in make-believe beings.
//looking at you christians (of all flavors)
///I was told slashies come in threes.
 
2013-01-09 01:58:54 PM  

KangTheMad: The obvious solution is to hang up a more realistic portrait of Jesus

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That could be both Mohammed and Jesus! On a serious note, why not display it inside with other historical items from the school and explain the significance in a plaque. Hopefully the historical note isn't, its been displayed since the 1940s. At least then it would be educational
 
2013-01-09 02:00:41 PM  
It only took them 65 years to notice a picture of Jesus was hanging in the school?
 
2013-01-09 02:01:43 PM  
Video showing the picture in the school

Yeah that's coming down sooner or later.
 
2013-01-09 02:03:56 PM  

darian1919: KangTheMad: The obvious solution is to hang up a more realistic portrait of Jesus

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That could be both Mohammed and Jesus! On a serious note, why not display it inside with other historical items from the school and explain the significance in a plaque. Hopefully the historical note isn't, its been displayed since the 1940s. At least then it would be educational


Freedom from religion folks really ought to promote the teaching of religion in school as an historical subject. Kids go through public school knowing nothing about Christianity, Islam, etc. except the bullshiat they (typically) learn in church. Separation of church and state is all fine and good, but religion is still part of our cultural heritage and we shouldn't pretend it doesn't exist.
 
2013-01-09 02:04:38 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: Every time I hear the name the "Freedom from Religion Foundation" I cringe. Please stop making us atheists look bad.


Most fo the time i cringe as well, btu this is a legit complaint.
 
2013-01-09 02:05:59 PM  
Change the label to "Bearded man looking left". No one knows what Jesus looked like. The foundation gets to chalk up a victory and the school get to chalk up a victory.

Case closed.
 
2013-01-09 02:06:15 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Hang up a picture of Santa and the Easter bunny to complete the fictional character trifecta.


You forgot the male-friendly lesbian
 
2013-01-09 02:11:40 PM  

Glenford: Popcorn Johnny: Hang up a picture of Santa and the Easter bunny to complete the fictional character trifecta.

You forgot the male-friendly lesbian


I know several. They're awesome.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:26 PM  
I agree with subby. If the school has a picture of a figure from the Christian faith, there should be no problems with the school having pictures of figures from the other faiths as well. If the school has problems with hanging pictures from the other faiths, get the Catholics on it. They're all about religious liberty now.

/Dammit...I need some popcorn.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:40 PM  
You have to hang up a blank canvas, too - for the atheists.
 
2013-01-09 02:15:42 PM  

had98c: Video showing the picture in the school

Yeah that's coming down sooner or later.



We had that picture hanging in our house when I was a kid. Dam eyes follow you where ever you go. Creaped me out as a kid.
 
2013-01-09 02:16:45 PM  
Had more fun watching this instead

WARNING: VIDEO AHEAD...also morons.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:27 PM  
Could a fellow farker enlighten me as to why the First Amendment always gets invoked in cases like this?

This is the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now as I see it:
1.) No law is being established. It's just a picture the school wants to keep up.

2.) This case has nothing to do with Congress.

Can someone explain to me what is being violated here?
 
2013-01-09 02:18:23 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: darian1919: KangTheMad: The obvious solution is to hang up a more realistic portrait of Jesus

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 378x500]

That could be both Mohammed and Jesus! On a serious note, why not display it inside with other historical items from the school and explain the significance in a plaque. Hopefully the historical note isn't, its been displayed since the 1940s. At least then it would be educational

Freedom from religion folks really ought to promote the teaching of religion in school as an historical subject. Kids go through public school knowing nothing about Christianity, Islam, etc. except the bullshiat they (typically) learn in church. Separation of church and state is all fine and good, but religion is still part of our cultural heritage and we shouldn't pretend it doesn't exist.


they do. it's called Greek Mythology. school's don't need more mythology. at least, not the cheap kind.
 
2013-01-09 02:23:54 PM  

Charlie Chingas: AliceBToklasLives: darian1919: KangTheMad: The obvious solution is to hang up a more realistic portrait of Jesus

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 378x500]

That could be both Mohammed and Jesus! On a serious note, why not display it inside with other historical items from the school and explain the significance in a plaque. Hopefully the historical note isn't, its been displayed since the 1940s. At least then it would be educational

Freedom from religion folks really ought to promote the teaching of religion in school as an historical subject. Kids go through public school knowing nothing about Christianity, Islam, etc. except the bullshiat they (typically) learn in church. Separation of church and state is all fine and good, but religion is still part of our cultural heritage and we shouldn't pretend it doesn't exist.

they do. it's called Greek Mythology. school's don't need more mythology. at least, not the cheap kind.


Well, that will get them through parts of Paradise Lost, although most of it will be utterly perplexing.

/But, yeah, let's ignore what was for well over a millennium Europe's central mythology. Might as well omit history from the curriculum.
 
2013-01-09 02:25:55 PM  
as long as they teach "christianity" as another form of mythology, I'm OK with it. if it's taught as something real and that there's an real imaginary old guy living in the clouds... no.
 
2013-01-09 02:29:47 PM  

11thmetal: Could a fellow farker enlighten me as to why the First Amendment always gets invoked in cases like this?

This is the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now as I see it:
1.) No law is being established. It's just a picture the school wants to keep up.

2.) This case has nothing to do with Congress.

Can someone explain to me what is being violated here?


With respect to this issue, the Supreme Court has ruled the 1stA as the basis for separation of Church and State. Schools are mandated State institutions, therefore activities that seem to favor one religion, or a belief in religion, would be verboten as that would imply a State-sponsored religion.

/IANAL or constitutional expert (although I am one of only two people to ever get a 100% on Doc Egan's infamous Constitution test) so here come the more informed people to inform my misinformation... Thx in advance!
//yes, I am taking that first slashie out to be shot.
///'s why Mark Twain loathed the parenthetical.
 
2013-01-09 02:32:28 PM  

Charlie Chingas: What's with the latest post of mythical creatures? Get over it, fundies

/fundies: anyone who believes in make-believe beings.



That's not what "fundamentalists" or "fundies" mean, but feel free to keep saying so as we could all use the laugh.
 
2013-01-09 02:33:22 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Charlie Chingas: AliceBToklasLives: darian1919: KangTheMad: The obvious solution is to hang up a more realistic portrait of Jesus

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 378x500]

That could be both Mohammed and Jesus! On a serious note, why not display it inside with other historical items from the school and explain the significance in a plaque. Hopefully the historical note isn't, its been displayed since the 1940s. At least then it would be educational

Freedom from religion folks really ought to promote the teaching of religion in school as an historical subject. Kids go through public school knowing nothing about Christianity, Islam, etc. except the bullshiat they (typically) learn in church. Separation of church and state is all fine and good, but religion is still part of our cultural heritage and we shouldn't pretend it doesn't exist.

they do. it's called Greek Mythology. school's don't need more mythology. at least, not the cheap kind.

Well, that will get them through parts of Paradise Lost, although most of it will be utterly perplexing.

/But, yeah, let's ignore what was for well over a millennium Europe's central mythology. Might as well omit history from the curriculum.


I couldn't grasp a lot of character motives in Shakespeare's plays because they came from religion. So Hamlet wants to stab the guy, but he can't do it while he's praying, so why doesn't he just wait until he's finished?

My high school had a comparative religions section in Grade 8 Social Studies. Covered the basic tenets of the major ones. There was a field trip at the end of the year to a Sikh temple, a Buddhist temple, a synagogue and a bigass church (that was all the diversity my city had to offer). The church was the preachiest.

Looking back, I can't recall if the course material covered Christianity, or just Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. I'm guessing the teachers assumed all the students were already programmed in Christianity (the BC Interior is deep in Bible Belt country).
 
2013-01-09 02:33:55 PM  

DerAppie: Change the label to "Bearded man looking left". No one knows what Jesus looked like. The foundation gets to chalk up a victory and the school get to chalk up a victory.

Case closed.


Ceci n'est pas une Christ?
 
2013-01-09 02:34:53 PM  
There's a portrait of some Hispanic dude in the school? What's the big deal?
 
2013-01-09 02:36:01 PM  

brimed03: 11thmetal: Could a fellow farker enlighten me as to why the First Amendment always gets invoked in cases like this?

This is the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now as I see it:
1.) No law is being established. It's just a picture the school wants to keep up.

2.) This case has nothing to do with Congress.

Can someone explain to me what is being violated here?

With respect to this issue, the Supreme Court has ruled the 1stA as the basis for separation of Church and State. Schools are mandated State institutions, therefore activities that seem to favor one religion, or a belief in religion, would be verboten as that would imply a State-sponsored religion.

/IANAL or constitutional expert (although I am one of only two people to ever get a 100% on Doc Egan's infamous Constitution test) so here come the more informed people to inform my misinformation... Thx in advance!
//yes, I am taking that first slashie out to be shot.
///'s why Mark Twain loathed the parenthetical.


The opportunity to diplay religious artifacts is equally available to ALL religions.

That's how I read that law.
 
2013-01-09 02:37:07 PM  

Glenford: Popcorn Johnny: Hang up a picture of Santa and the Easter bunny to complete the fictional character trifecta.

You forgot the male-friendly lesbian


I'll give credit for the allusion to Chasing Amy, at least.
 
2013-01-09 02:37:08 PM  

11thmetal: Could a fellow farker enlighten me as to why the First Amendment always gets invoked in cases like this?

This is the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now as I see it:
1.) No law is being established. It's just a picture the school wants to keep up.

2.) This case has nothing to do with Congress.

Can someone explain to me what is being violated here?


Honestly, it would take a week to educate you about all the things you obviously do not understand.
 
2013-01-09 02:37:21 PM  

Charlie Chingas: as long as they teach "christianity" as another form of mythology, I'm OK with it. if it's taught as something real and that there's an real imaginary old guy living in the clouds... no.


Fine. As long as they also teach what the word 'mythology' actually means (hint: it is not identical with 'shiat someone just made up' or 'stuff that's wrong').

/oh and grammar, such as the different between 'a' and 'an'
//and the proper way to pluralize the word 'school'
///and why slashies, among other things, come in threes
 
2013-01-09 02:48:35 PM  
I think hanging this would suffice
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2013-01-09 02:50:45 PM  

ciberido: Charlie Chingas: What's with the latest post of mythical creatures? Get over it, fundies

/fundies: anyone who believes in make-believe beings.


That's not what "fundamentalists" or "fundies" mean, but feel free to keep saying so as we could all use the laugh.


I take they don't have sarcasm in Chile? Que lastima...
 
2013-01-09 02:51:52 PM  
It's a good thing Michelangelo wasn't around to paint any awesome frescoes in our schools either because we'd acid wash that shiat right off the walls.
 
2013-01-09 02:52:12 PM  
Doesn't this come around every few years?  I'm sure of it.  I KNOW I've heard about this particular one previously.
 
2013-01-09 02:53:57 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Charlie Chingas: as long as they teach "christianity" as another form of mythology, I'm OK with it. if it's taught as something real and that there's an real imaginary old guy living in the clouds... no.

Fine. As long as they also teach what the word 'mythology' actually means (hint: it is not identical with 'shiat someone just made up' or 'stuff that's wrong').

/oh and grammar, such as the different between 'a' and 'an'
//and the proper way to pluralize the word 'school'
///and why slashies, among other things, come in threes


People get so testy when it comes to their flavor of "mythology".

/too lazy to correct myself
//o'rly?
///just because
 
2013-01-09 02:59:28 PM  

liam76: The Angry Hand of God: Every time I hear the name the "Freedom from Religion Foundation" I cringe. Please stop making us atheists look bad.

Most fo the time i cringe as well, btu this is a legit complaint.


it seems a lot of people are getting heated up over this
 
2013-01-09 03:02:05 PM  

11thmetal: Could a fellow farker enlighten me as to why the First Amendment always gets invoked in cases like this?

This is the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now as I see it:
1.) No law is being established. It's just a picture the school wants to keep up.

2.) This case has nothing to do with Congress.

Can someone explain to me what is being violated here?


Putting up a picture of jesus can be perceived as promoting christianity above all other religions. It is in essence saying that you are to practice any religion you want, but we would prefer it if it was christianity. Now, whether or not this was the actual intent behind such an image is irrelevant, because some people can perceive it that way. And, over the years the Supreme Court has ruled that schools are in essence part of the State government, therefore they cannot promote any one religion over another. As for Congress, States are forbidden from doing certain things that Congress is forbidden from doing. So, if Congress cannot promote one religion over the other then State governments cannot do so, either.
 
2013-01-09 03:05:45 PM  
It always amuses me how many people cry out "But Jesus is a mythical person!" Deity status aside, Jesus was a real person who lived in the first century AD, and was killed via crucifixion. It's historically documented in multiple secular sources. So much for atheists being educated....
 
2013-01-09 03:06:04 PM  

Mock26: 11thmetal: Could a fellow farker enlighten me as to why the First Amendment always gets invoked in cases like this?

This is the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now as I see it:
1.) No law is being established. It's just a picture the school wants to keep up.

2.) This case has nothing to do with Congress.

Can someone explain to me what is being violated here?

Putting up a picture of jesus can be perceived as promoting christianity above all other religions. It is in essence saying that you are to practice any religion you want, but we would prefer it if it was christianity. Now, whether or not this was the actual intent behind such an image is irrelevant, because some people can perceive it that way. And, over the years the Supreme Court has ruled that schools are in essence part of the State government, therefore they cannot promote any one religion over another. As for Congress, States are forbidden from doing certain things that Congress is forbidden from doing. So, if Congress cannot promote one religion over the other then State governments cannot do so, either.


That really seems like BS.

If the opportunity is available to all religions, then how is the state "promoting one over the other" or showing favortism?
 
2013-01-09 03:06:12 PM  
What is the historical significance of this painting? If there is none and it was simply put up by some christian teacher or administrator back when they could get away with doing so, then I say take it down. If, however, there is some historical significance to it then I say let it stay up. However, given that this is just some school building I doubt that there is much historical significance to it.
 
2013-01-09 03:09:47 PM  

Mock26: What is the historical significance of this painting? If there is none and it was simply put up by some christian teacher or administrator back when they could get away with doing so, then I say take it down. If, however, there is some historical significance to it then I say let it stay up. However, given that this is just some school building I doubt that there is much historical significance to it.


I think the historical significance is "has been here for a long time".
 
2013-01-09 03:11:36 PM  

had98c: Video showing the picture in the school

Yeah that's coming down sooner or later.


Going to have to agree. I came into this thread ready to post about how, although I'm an atheist, I think it's perfectly acceptable to have Renaissance paintings of the Madonna with Jesus in an art room, or pictures of Jesus on the walls of a social studies classroom, etc. But that was a very conspicuous location for the famed Head of Christ portrait, presented without peer in the "Hall of Honor."
 
2013-01-09 03:14:04 PM  

Mock26: What is the historical significance of this painting? If there is none and it was simply put up by some christian teacher or administrator back when they could get away with doing so, then I say take it down. If, however, there is some historical significance to it then I say let it stay up. However, given that this is just some school building I doubt that there is much historical significance to it.


It's a reprint of the very ubiquitous Head of Christ painting - the first image of Jesus that probably pops into your head. Many, many Catholics have this very portrait in their homes. It's hard to divorce it from religious connotation. It's not a classic piece of art; it was painted in the 50s, I believe.
 
2013-01-09 03:16:59 PM  
first question for the 'freedom from religion' people, do you live here? No? GTFO...
 
2013-01-09 03:17:41 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: Every time I hear the name the "Freedom from Religion Foundation" I cringe. Please stop making us atheists look bad.


This. Regardless of the motivation, censorship is censorship, and forcibly taking down a painting feels a teeny bit akin to book burning (just a teeny bit). This is a school we're talking about, how about a solution that involves educating?

/antitheist
//my beliefs don't require others to believe what I believe (to paraphrase Morpheus)
 
2013-01-09 03:21:52 PM  

Charlie Chingas: What's with the latest post of mythical creatures? Get over it, fundies

/fundies: anyone who believes in make-believe beings.
//looking at you christians (of all flavors)
///I was told slashies come in threes.


Why just Christians? Sounds like your the one that has the problem.
 
2013-01-09 03:25:35 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: darian1919: KangTheMad: The obvious solution is to hang up a more realistic portrait of Jesus

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 378x500]

That could be both Mohammed and Jesus! On a serious note, why not display it inside with other historical items from the school and explain the significance in a plaque. Hopefully the historical note isn't, its been displayed since the 1940s. At least then it would be educational

Freedom from religion folks really ought to promote the teaching of religion in school as an historical subject. Kids go through public school knowing nothing about Christianity, Islam, etc. except the bullshiat they (typically) learn in church. Separation of church and state is all fine and good, but religion is still part of our cultural heritage and we shouldn't pretend it doesn't exist.



I agree. I think that being a radical atheist is no better than being a radical religious person. If you really want more people to open their eyes to ahteism, it actually makes more sense to teach them about it. Let them decide for themselves. Trying to sweep relegion under the carpet altogether is doing everyone on both sides a great disservice.
 
2013-01-09 03:26:59 PM  

Itstoearly: It always amuses me how many people cry out "But Jesus is a mythical person!" Deity status aside, Jesus was a real person who lived in the first century AD, and was killed via crucifixion. It's historically documented in multiple secular sources. So much for atheists being educated....


Which secular source are you refering to? Tacitus? Josephus? Suetonius? Some other --us?
 
2013-01-09 03:27:03 PM  

SweetBluebonnet: Charlie Chingas: What's with the latest post of mythical creatures? Get over it, fundies

/fundies: anyone who believes in make-believe beings.
//looking at you christians (of all flavors)
///I was told slashies come in threes.

Why just Christians? Sounds like your the one that has the problem.


I really don't have a problem. But this is America, and if you're any kind of religious, your're most likely a christian. You don't really pick your religion, it picks you. Well, for the majority of folks. Born in the Middle East? Guess what religion has already been chosen for you... Plus, christians seem to get their panties all in a was when the world around them does not agree with their mythological beliefs. So it's fun to poke fun at them. Get over it. Not everyone believes what you believe in and don't get offended when they don't. Also, keep religion out of schools (at least, public ones. government and all). If they were smart, instead of getting all pissy, they should suggest that other "religious" figures should also be displayed.
 
2013-01-09 03:27:34 PM  

ciberido: Charlie Chingas: What's with the latest post of mythical creatures? Get over it, fundies

/fundies: anyone who believes in make-believe beings.


That's not what "fundamentalists" or "fundies" mean, but feel free to keep saying so as we could all use the laugh.


Fund: to give money.

Amentalism: without thinking.
 
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