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(ESPN)   Will Craig Biggio make it on his first ballot? How may votes will Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens even get? Will this be the first time in 17 years that no one is elected? It's your Baseball Hall of Fame thread with results announced at 1pm eastern   (espn.go.com ) divider line
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2013-01-09 01:55:52 PM  
Who's on First?
 
2013-01-09 01:56:02 PM  
Baseball Think Factory's vote counting had Biggio hovering around 70% and nobody getting in.

Who would have thought that the ultimate answer to 'what players will get in from 2013's ballot' would have been 'Deacon White and jack-all else'.
 
2013-01-09 01:56:21 PM  
Pretty sure it's 2pm eastern.
 
2013-01-09 01:57:43 PM  
Sportswriters, running out of options, will write in Ron Santo for the HOF, forgetting that he was already admitted last year.
 
2013-01-09 01:59:52 PM  
I can't decide which will piss me off more: no one getting in, or only Jack Morris getting in.

Leaning towards Jack, though.
 
2013-01-09 02:00:26 PM  
Welcome to Cooperstown, nobody.
 
2013-01-09 02:01:28 PM  
So, steroids bad, then.
 
2013-01-09 02:02:39 PM  
The results:

Name Votes (Pct.) Yrs on ballot
Craig Biggio 388 (68.2%) 1
Jack Morris 385 (67.7%) 14
Jeff Bagwell 339 (59.6%) 3
Mike Piazza 329 (57.8%) 1
Tim Raines 297 (52.2%) 6
Lee Smith 272 (47.8%) 11
Curt Schilling 221 (38.8%) 1
Roger Clemens 214 (37.6%) 1
Barry Bonds 206 (36.2%) 1
Edgar Martinez 204 (35.9%) 4
Alan Trammell 191 (33.6%) 12
Larry Walker 123 (21.6%) 3
Fred McGriff 118 (20.7%) 4
Dale Murphy 106 (18.6%) 15
Mark McGwire 96 (16.9%) 7
Don Mattingly 75 (13.2%) 13
Sammy Sosa 71 (12.5%) 1
Rafael Palmeiro 50 (8.8%) 3
Bernie Williams 19 (3.3%) 2
Kenny Lofton 18 (3.2%) 1
Sandy Alomar Jr. 16 (2.8%) 1
Julio Franco 6 (1.1%) 1
David Wells 5 (0.9%) 1
Steve Finley 4 (0.7%) 1
Shawn Green 2 (0.4%) 1
Aaron Sele 1 (0.2%) 1
Jeff Cirillo 0 (0%) 1
Royce Clayton 0 (0%) 1
Jeff Conine 0 (0%) 1
Roberto Hernandez 0 (0%) 1
Ryan Klesko 0 (0%) 1
Jose Mesa 0 (0%) 1
Reggie Sanders 0 (0%) 1
Mike Stanton 0 (0%) 1
Todd Walker 0 (0%) 1
Rondell White 0 (0%) 1
Woody Williams 0 (0%) 1
 
2013-01-09 02:03:27 PM  
nada, zip, zero, zilch

Apparently, the only "Famous" players in baseball are all from when you were a little kid, and all the current guys suck donkey balls.
 
2013-01-09 02:05:03 PM  
Having no one get in is stupid.

Having Lofton, WIlliams & Wells get kicked off the ballot is insane. I'm not saying any of those three should absolutely definitely be in the Hall, but they probably should've had more than one chance.
 
2013-01-09 02:05:20 PM  

Homer Nixon: So, steroids bad, then.


At least a 1st time on the ballot ban.
 
2013-01-09 02:05:43 PM  
Biggio and Bagwell snubbed. Too many of these f*cking voters have their heads shoved completely up their own asses.

/Yeah, I'm an Astros fan
//This is all I have to sustain me
 
2013-01-09 02:06:09 PM  
Wow, someone actually gave a HoF vote to Aaron Sele.
 
2013-01-09 02:06:37 PM  

Gosling: Craig Biggio 388 (68.2%) 1
Jeff Bagwell 339 (59.6%) 3


better luck next year, killer b's
 
2013-01-09 02:06:55 PM  
Is Aaron Sele's mom the Royals' beat writer or something?
 
2013-01-09 02:07:22 PM  

Cagey B: Wow, someone actually gave a HoF vote to Aaron Sele.


He's about as good as Morris, so why not?
 
2013-01-09 02:08:21 PM  
Gosling:
Roger Clemens 214 (37.6%) 1
Barry Bonds 206 (36.2%) 1


Both fail the 'integrity' clause, but were the most dominant players of their era. (yes, Captain Obvious speaking)

/the NFL hall of fame would have included them, as they have no such clause
//I mean, they have a double murderer in - even Ty Cobb can't top that shiat
 
2013-01-09 02:08:32 PM  
Also, I'm surprised that Clemens got a higher percentage than Bonds.
 
2013-01-09 02:08:42 PM  
The fact that the BBWA didn't take this opportunity to right the wrong of not having Tim Raines in the hall already should have them stripped of their vote.
 
2013-01-09 02:09:04 PM  

Sandor at the Zoo: Biggio and Bagwell snubbed. Too many of these f*cking voters have their heads shoved completely up their own asses.

/Yeah, I'm an Astros fan
//This is all I have to sustain me


I'm with ya...
 
2013-01-09 02:09:09 PM  

Sandor at the Zoo: Biggio and Bagwell snubbed. Too many of these f*cking voters have their heads shoved completely up their own asses.

/Yeah, I'm an Astros fan
//This is all I have to sustain me


A-farking-men brother
 
2013-01-09 02:09:24 PM  
Jack Morris, Jeff Bagwell, and Tim Raines hit all-time high water marks among returning candidates.
 
2013-01-09 02:10:27 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: The fact that the BBWA didn't take this opportunity to right the wrong of not having Tim Raines in the hall already should have them stripped of their vote.


You just don't understand: he wasn't as good as Rickey. Therefore, he can't be in the hall.

(Yes, I've seen people say that)
 
2013-01-09 02:10:45 PM  
I've never been to the Baseball HOF, so I've no idea what the layout of the place is, but it would seem that there would be space for an exhibit for pitchers who've thrown a perfect game. It's one of the rarer occurrences in sports (well, at least it was 10 or 15 years ago), and it would seem the men behind those games would be immortalized, what with it being such an exclusive club.
 
2013-01-09 02:12:25 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Having no one get in is stupid.

Having Lofton, WIlliams & Wells get kicked off the ballot is insane. I'm not saying any of those three should absolutely definitely be in the Hall, but they probably should've had more than one chance.


Wells is every bit as good as Jack Morris.
 
2013-01-09 02:13:04 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Hillbilly Jim: The fact that the BBWA didn't take this opportunity to right the wrong of not having Tim Raines in the hall already should have them stripped of their vote.

You just don't understand: he wasn't as good as Rickey. Therefore, he can't be in the hall.

(Yes, I've seen people say that)


Wow... just wow.
 
2013-01-09 02:13:13 PM  
Biggio should be in on the first ballot, hands down. BBWA as their idiotic rituals piss me off.
 
2013-01-09 02:13:41 PM  
Lame.
 
2013-01-09 02:13:48 PM  
Link

Oh this is bullshiat.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:26 PM  
Roger Clemens 214 (37.6%) 1
Barry Bonds 206 (36.2%) 1


Why does Clemens have more votes than Bonds? Either you vote for both because you believe they are among the best hitters/pitchers of all time and are therefore hall-of-famers, or you vote for neither because of steroids.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:35 PM  

Dafatone: DeWayne Mann: Having no one get in is stupid.

Having Lofton, WIlliams & Wells get kicked off the ballot is insane. I'm not saying any of those three should absolutely definitely be in the Hall, but they probably should've had more than one chance.

Wells is every bit as good as Jack Morris.


He's friggen better than Morris, just like several other one-and-done pitchers.
Shoot, Jamie Moyer is better than Jack Morris, and I doubt he'll get a single vote when it's his turn.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:49 PM  

EyeballKid: I've never been to the Baseball HOF, so I've no idea what the layout of the place is, but it would seem that there would be space for an exhibit for pitchers who've thrown a perfect game. It's one of the rarer occurrences in sports (well, at least it was 10 or 15 years ago), and it would seem the men behind those games would be immortalized, what with it being such an exclusive club.


I have been there. The first floor is the plaque hall, with a place set aside for the just-inducted. The rest of the museum allows for rotating exhibits; when I was there, one was being dedicated to the women's wartime leagues.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:53 PM  

Sandor at the Zoo: Biggio and Bagwell snubbed. Too many of these f*cking voters have their heads shoved completely up their own asses.


Both deserve it, and will get it, but I don't think of either as first ballot kind of guys.
 
2013-01-09 02:16:52 PM  
So is there an actual argument for Jack Morris outside of "World Series"?
 
2013-01-09 02:17:00 PM  
Edgar should at least get an honorable mention for his amazing Hitting Ability vs. Extremely Low Footspeed ratio.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:47 PM  

MagicBus: Roger Clemens 214 (37.6%) 1
Barry Bonds 206 (36.2%) 1

Why does Clemens have more votes than Bonds? Either you vote for both because you believe they are among the best hitters/pitchers of all time and are therefore hall-of-famers, or you vote for neither because of steroids.


I suppose the argument would be that Clemens would have been a HOF before he started juicing, and the steroids just prolonged his career. Bonds would have been much more questionable if he stayed clean. He might have had HOF caliber stats, but certainly not the home run records.
 
2013-01-09 02:19:02 PM  

MagicBus: Roger Clemens 214 (37.6%) 1
Barry Bonds 206 (36.2%) 1

Why does Clemens have more votes than Bonds? Either you vote for both because you believe they are among the best hitters/pitchers of all time and are therefore hall-of-famers, or you vote for neither because of steroids.


Could be because Bonds is a complete jagoff. Stan Savran said he was the second biggest jaggoff he's covered during his years covering sports.

/Tom Barasso was the biggest jagoff
//jagoff
 
2013-01-09 02:19:27 PM  

LineNoise: MagicBus: Roger Clemens 214 (37.6%) 1
Barry Bonds 206 (36.2%) 1

Why does Clemens have more votes than Bonds? Either you vote for both because you believe they are among the best hitters/pitchers of all time and are therefore hall-of-famers, or you vote for neither because of steroids.

I suppose the argument would be that Clemens would have been a HOF before he started juicing, and the steroids just prolonged his career. Bonds would have been much more questionable if he stayed clean. He might have had HOF caliber stats, but certainly not the home run records.


That's utter BS. Bonds' career was remarkable before the juice. He'd racked up a few MVP awards and put up ridiculous HR/SB numbers.
 
2013-01-09 02:19:28 PM  

LineNoise: Sandor at the Zoo: Biggio and Bagwell snubbed. Too many of these f*cking voters have their heads shoved completely up their own asses.

Both deserve it, and will get it, but I don't think of either as first ballot kind of guys.


No offense, but I hate that line of thinking. If they deserve to be in the Hall, then they deserve to be in on the first ballot. Period. Full stop. Waiting an extra two, three, or ten years does not make any player any more deserving of enshrinement.
 
2013-01-09 02:19:52 PM  
Also, poor Mike Piazza. Tough case there, given that the only evidence of his juicing is that everyone says he was.
 
2013-01-09 02:20:04 PM  

Cagey B: So is there an actual argument for Jack Morris outside of "World Series"?


Is "whining a lot" an argument? Because that's what the mlb.com stream has spent the last 15 minutes doing.
 
2013-01-09 02:20:22 PM  
B..b..but.. steroids grant 0 advantage! B...b...but... everyone in baseball was using back then so it's OK!

Suck it, cheaters. You tarnished the game.
 
2013-01-09 02:20:50 PM  
It's a travesty that Jack Morris is not in the HoF. That is all.
 
2013-01-09 02:21:05 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: Could be because Bonds is a complete jagoff. Stan Savran said he was the second biggest jaggoff he's covered during his years covering sports.

/Tom Barasso was the biggest jagoff
//jagoff


That's another thing. Remember, it is baseball writers voting. Complete jagoffs who don't play nice with baseball writers may not get votes later on from baseball writers. Albert Belle never had a prayer.
 
2013-01-09 02:21:19 PM  

Dinobot: It's a travesty that Jack Morris is not in the HoF. That is all.


No it isn't.
 
2013-01-09 02:21:40 PM  

Sandor at the Zoo: LineNoise: Sandor at the Zoo: Biggio and Bagwell snubbed. Too many of these f*cking voters have their heads shoved completely up their own asses.

Both deserve it, and will get it, but I don't think of either as first ballot kind of guys.

No offense, but I hate that line of thinking. If they deserve to be in the Hall, then they deserve to be in on the first ballot. Period. Full stop. Waiting an extra two, three, or ten years does not make any player any more deserving of enshrinement.


You know, not trying to rehash this whole argument, but that reminds me a lot of people who said that Cabrera deserved MVP over Trout because "Trout's young, he'll have another shot at it."
 
2013-01-09 02:21:43 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: LineNoise: MagicBus: Roger Clemens 214 (37.6%) 1
Barry Bonds 206 (36.2%) 1

Why does Clemens have more votes than Bonds? Either you vote for both because you believe they are among the best hitters/pitchers of all time and are therefore hall-of-famers, or you vote for neither because of steroids.

I suppose the argument would be that Clemens would have been a HOF before he started juicing, and the steroids just prolonged his career. Bonds would have been much more questionable if he stayed clean. He might have had HOF caliber stats, but certainly not the home run records.

That's utter BS. Bonds' career was remarkable before the juice. He'd racked up a few MVP awards and put up ridiculous HR/SB numbers.


Seriously, up through 1998 Bonds was the greatest power/speed combo hitter in MLB history, except perhaps for Rickey.

If Bonds had never juiced after that, and just had an ordinary falling-off period over the remainder of his career, he would still have been an absolute no-brainer HOFer.
 
2013-01-09 02:22:16 PM  

Dinobot: It's a travesty that Jack Morris is not in the HoF. That is all.


Hi Jon Heyman!
 
2013-01-09 02:22:37 PM  
They'll make up for it next year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2014.shtml

Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Frank Thomas are all locks.
Biggio, Bagwell, Raines - Maybe
Jeff Kent and Mike Mussina - Maybe, but probably not first ballot.

2015 will have Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez in on the first ballot, with Smoltz, Sheffield, Delgado, and Garciaparra possible as well.
 
2013-01-09 02:23:01 PM  
Wow, no love for Bernie Williams? I'm sure the city's still happy he won'em that World Series and all, but he just wasn't pretty like inevitable first-rounder Derek Jeter.
 
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