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(Huffington Post)   The latest Birther target? Chief Justice John Roberts, whom they want impeached if he swears in the foreign usurper Balrog HUSSEIN Taxbongo for a second term   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-01-09 05:23:29 PM  

Latinwolf: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

So you consider Hawaii to not be U.S. soil?


I remember at one point there was some birther who was trying to say that Hawaii's statehood was invalid and it was still a territory and therefore Obama wasn't a natural born citizen.

What freaks me out is that while the left has its share of loonies that believe in all sorts of things, fully a quarter of Republicans don't believe Obama is a citizen. I don't think a quarter of Democrats believe in any of the stupid things Republicans accuse them of believing.
 
2013-01-09 05:34:32 PM  
It must be sad, going through life not realizing that 90% of America is laughing at you.
 
2013-01-09 05:41:52 PM  

Jebdiahbob: I was born in Britain, to a British mother and American father (serving in the Navy at the time). I was born both a British and American citizen. I moved to this country when I was 2 and have lived here since.

Am I eligible for the Presidency?


i was born in britain to a british father and an american mother. i, too, was born both a british and american citizen (i have two passports to prove it). i moved to the us when i was 8. am i eligible for the presidency? i believe i am because, like you, the moment i was born, i was an american citizen - i.e. "natural born."
 
2013-01-09 05:49:53 PM  

KangTheMad: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Absolutely correct. McCain wasn't born in America either, nobody complained about that.


Obama was born in Hawaii.
 
2013-01-09 07:30:58 PM  

Phins: The birthers have invented an entirely new category of citizenship, native born. In their green-sky world, a person is only a natural born citizen if both of his parents were citizens, even if he was born in the U.S. By being born in the U.S., Obama gets to be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen.


That's not a new category of citizenship, as I indicated earlier in the thread. They're just adopting an old argument as it suits them. Standard MO for any smear campaign
 
2013-01-09 08:04:06 PM  
They've blown away all stupidity records...The dumb charts will have to be expanded to keep track of this epic mental void.
 
2013-01-09 08:07:47 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And this year he's swearing him in TWICE. So, no presidential elections til 2020!


Obama will be only the second president since FDR to be sworn in four times. SUCK IT, biatchES!
 
2013-01-09 08:09:31 PM  
I can't wait til he's sworn in so we the liberal public can take off our uncomfortable American costumes and put our bomb belts and keffiyehs back on.
 
2013-01-09 08:16:47 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

It's not that she wasn't old enough, it's that she hadn't lived long enough in the US prior to the birth. You had to live in the US for something like three of the previous five years before the birth and she had been living overseas. Not that it matters, since he was born in Hawaii.Kenya


Birthered that for you
 
2013-01-09 08:25:55 PM  

brantgoose: By the by, former CIA agent, Charles McCary wrote a novel about a stolen electin in 1995, years before the 2000 fiasco. In it, a Liberal Supreme Court Justic conspired to elect an extremist President. Substitute "conservative" for "liberal' and you have a roman à clef about what really happened.

Also, the movie Wrong is Right is based on another of his novels, about a conspiracy to impeach a liberal President after tricking him into ordering the assasination of a Middle East leader, and the framing of a Saddam Hussein-like rebel leader. The nuclear suitcase bombs in the movie are placed on the World Trade Center towers. As a result of the resignation of the liberal, a gung ho Texas politician is elected and goes to war with the Middle Eastern country in question, thus ensuring the USA's oil supply in the same way proposed by a the-secret plan created by the Nixon administration, for which McCary worked.

Personally I suspect that both plots were known to McCarry as a CIA agent, and were subsequently carried out in the real world.

I'm not saying that the CIA carried out these plots. But George Bush Sr. was parachuted into the CIA Director's office by Nixon (and was recruted in politics, if not the CIA, by the same man who recruted Nixon into politics, namely the more controversial of the two Dulles brothers. The would have been familiar to him and to others like him in the Republican Party, the Company and possibly elsewhere.

Personally I think the Republican Party has been a hotbed of sedition and unConstitutional conspiracy since before Bush Sr.'s father and grandfather were let off the hook for Trading with the Enemy and before Bush Sr. himself joined the airforce (a necessary but not sufficient step towards joining the Company).

Furthermore, I believe that the George Bush of the CIA who was interviewed by J. Edgar Hoover after the Kennedy assassination and the George Bush of the CIA who provided ships (two of them named Barbara and Houston) to the Bay of Pigs ...


Like John McCain, GHWB served in the Navy, you ignoramus, not the "airforce," which didn't even exist in WWII.
 
2013-01-09 08:49:51 PM  

mbillips: Like John McCain, GHWB served in the Navy, you ignoramus, not the "airforce," which didn't even exist in WWII.i>

Sure it did. The Army Air Forces were formed in 1942 as a distinct component of the Army by executive order, much as the Marine Corps is a distinct component of the Navy. In 1947 the USAF was formed from the AAF and removed from the Department of the Army.

 
2013-01-09 09:01:27 PM  
Per Wikipedia's US citizenship requirements page:Link
"
Under certain circumstances, children may acquire U.S. citizenship from their parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[6]

If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[8]
"

Obama's mother was born in Kansas, and presuming she was older than 5 when she gave birth to him, that qualifies him fully. He could be born on the dark side of Mars and this would still hold true. This is due to the legal concept 'jus sanguinis' (latin for Right of Blood) and has been in effect for US citizenship for over a century at this point.
 
2013-01-09 09:09:46 PM  

SnarfVader: So, let me get this straight. Obama served a term but really wasn't president because he was ineligible. Does that mean that term didn't count? If so, then why would the 22nd amendment apply to him? Obama 2016!!!!


You didn't like that argument before, so no Fartbongo 2016 for you.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:53 PM  

Phins: The birthers have invented an entirely new category of citizenship, native born. In their green-sky world, a person is only a natural born citizen if both of his parents were citizens, even if he was born in the U.S. By being born in the U.S., Obama gets to be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen.

Another alternate reality they've created is that Obama was a natural born citizen at birth but lost his citizenship by moving to Indonesia. He got it back when he returned to the U.S. but it was then naturalized citizenship, not natural born citizenship. Go ahead and count the number of things wrong with that theory.

Under Kenyan law, Obama had Kenyan citizenship at birth because his dad was a Kenyan citizen (if you want to keep your Kenyan citizenship you have to go there and formally claim it within 2 years of your 21st birthday). The birthers also like to claim Obama's Kenyan citizenship means that Obama can't be a natural born citizen. They don't seem to realize they're claiming that the laws of another country dictate U.S. law and citizenship.


Not only this, but it seems every one of those "HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE" derpers seem to forget that not only do you have to claim Kenyan citizenship within two years but--interestingly--Kenya does not recognise dual citizenship (in fact, under Kenyan law if you maintain any other citizenship status you're legally considered to have forfeited Kenyan citizenship--retaining US citizenship would be a denationalising act under Kenyan law).

As it is, it's actually surprisingly difficult to get US citizenship revoked, especially if one is both jus solis AND jus sanguinus "natural born" (as Obama would be--born to a US-citizen mother in Hawaii); pretty much you either have to explicitly revoke citizenship or do something else outrageous that the US would consider a denationalising act (not even serving in a foreign military is enough anymore, it pretty much has to be a foreign military officially at war with the US or otherwise considered an enemy power thereof).

(And yes, this sometimes does end in hilarity for folks trying to denationalise themselves to get out of paying US taxes. If the US government determines you're denationalising yourself to avoid income tax, you can STILL be legally obligated to pay your back taxes as a condition of revoking your US citizenship. The US government won't let you denationalise without a damn good reason, both to prevent people from dropping nationality to get out of taxes and (more importantly) to prevent a chance that someone could accidentally render themselves stateless.)
 
2013-01-09 09:26:57 PM  
The sheer amount of derp that electing a black guy has brought about makes me terrified to even imagine the stupid that will follow our first female President.

I'm thinking the same people who gave us the Birther movement will invest our first Lady-POTUS with the ability to command black cats with her mind, Air Force One being replaced with a broomstick and vagina dentata so epic and voracious that they mail strap-on prosthetic dildos to any Congressmen and Senators who have even been in the same room with her. Oh, and they will also assume she is a lesbian so promiscuous that only Amazon warriors would even have a prayer of conquering the United States, if not actually a transgendered dude.
 
2013-01-09 09:52:31 PM  

xellas84: Per Wikipedia's US citizenship requirements page:Link
"
Under certain circumstances, children may acquire U.S. citizenship from their parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[6]

If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[8]
"

Obama's mother was born in Kansas, and presuming she was older than 5 when she gave birth to him, that qualifies him fully. He could be born on the dark side of Mars and this would still hold true. This is due to the legal concept 'jus sanguinis' (latin for Right of Blood) and has been in effect for US citizenship for over a century at this point.


And thus (as someone pointed out) Barack Obama is technically even more of a "natural born citizen" than John McCain was. :D

(Yes, it's even more legally dicey re McCain's eligibility; he was born in a base hospital in the Panama Canal Zone (a former territory of the US) at a time when the law did not automatically grant citizenship to children of Americans born abroad (and in particular in the Canal Zone); pretty much kids born on naval bases were retroactively granted US citizenship the year after, but legally this could be considered a "mass nationalisation" (similarly to how people of First Nations descent were mass-nationalised in 1924; before then, if you were NDN you were de facto ineligible for US citizenship, particularly if you were living on a rez). The issue frankly hasn't ever come up formally as to whether people affected by "nationalisation by Congress" would be considered "natural born citizens", and it's increasingly unlikely that it will as folks who did get granted citizenship by these acts pretty much are starting to die off.)

(Of course, a similar bit that has NOT as of yet come up--an interesting question would be whether a person from American Samoa is technically eligible for the presidency. (American Samoans are in a presently unique "legal purgatory" similar to the status of residents of "the rez" up until 1924; they are considered US nationals but not US citizens (due to the fact American Samoa is considered an unorganised, unincorporated territory of the US--the only other US possessions in this category are uninhabited islands that are, by and large, former DoD bases that were turned into wildlife refuges). The US requires that a Presidential candidate be a "natural born citizen", which would seem to indicate persons born in American Samoa to Samoan parents are not eligible, but again--this is the closest thing we could really have in the modern era to "whether someone born on US soil is really a US citizen by birth". Interestingly, one of the areas that historically had similar status to American Samoa was the Canal Zone, hence the need for a nationalising act for kids born there. Interestingly, kids born on base in the American Sector in West Berlin (during the Bad Old Days of the Cold War) don't have to worry--they'd have American citizenship if born to American parents abroad, and German citizenship otherwise.)
 
2013-01-09 10:33:41 PM  
A warning for an autoplaying article would have been nice. Christ, I think I'm deaf now.
 
2013-01-09 10:41:42 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: The sheer amount of derp that electing a black guy has brought about makes me terrified to even imagine the stupid that will follow our first female President.

I'm thinking the same people who gave us the Birther movement will invest our first Lady-POTUS with the ability to command black cats with her mind, Air Force One being replaced with a broomstick and vagina dentata so epic and voracious that they mail strap-on prosthetic dildos to any Congressmen and Senators who have even been in the same room with her. Oh, and they will also assume she is a lesbian so promiscuous that only Amazon warriors would even have a prayer of conquering the United States, if not actually a transgendered dude.


Depends.
White Female would probably get a better time of it than a Black Male.
 
2013-01-10 12:17:37 AM  

KangTheMad: Well, actually the Senate passed a resolution affirming that McCain met the requirements. I think the fact that they didn't do the same for Obama speaks for itself.

that was a waste of money. Well done, Senate. I see you guys were focusing on the important things.


Actually, it was probably one of the least pointless and dickish things the Senate did that year. It's not like McCain had absolutely no chance of winning, after all. Why not do what you can to head off potential derp?

The vote was unanimous, by the way. No debate; nobody even hinted at a "no" vote. Which is funny, since in a "strict constructionist" reading, you could at least make a pretty strong case on technical grounds. But 49 Republicans (quite properly) decided to say, "eh, fark the Founding Fathers in the ear if they'd have a problem with this. There's no good reason McCain should be ineligible on a technicality."

Senators should do that more often. Antonin Scalia isn't a farking spirit vessel for Alexander Hamilton.
 
2013-01-10 04:19:44 AM  
If nature abhors a vacuum, why are there so many empty-headed Republicans?

/give it a goddamned rest, people
 
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