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(Huffington Post)   The latest Birther target? Chief Justice John Roberts, whom they want impeached if he swears in the foreign usurper Balrog HUSSEIN Taxbongo for a second term   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 170
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2013-01-09 03:01:38 PM  

Lord Dimwit: bhcompy: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.

What's really interesting is that the State Department has specifically said that birth on a military base is not sufficient for citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Additionally, while parents can convey their citizenship to their children this was not true for parents who gave birth in the Panama Canal Zone at the time of John McCain's birth - his citizenship was retroactively conferred upon him (and everyone else born in the Panama Canal Zone) by an Act of Congress about a year after he was born.

Now, I think personally that McCain was eligible but can you imagine how much louder the Republicans would've screamed had the situation I just described been applied to Obama? I wonder why they didn't question McCain's birth status. I wonder what could be different about the two men. Hmm..I wonder.

It couldn't possibly be that the Right is full of racists, since I have been reassured many times that they are not racists.


It was questioned, just not as loudly. He showed his birth certificate to the press to prove his birth(there is question about where he was born in Panama on top of the question of his general citizenship), the Senate passed a motion affirming his qualification, etc. Rest assured if he won there would have been hubbub, but he didn't win, so it was moot.
 
2013-01-09 03:01:48 PM  

angrycrank: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

Not applicable, since he was born on US soil. You're getting your birther nonsense confused :) Today's derp is "he was born in the US but not a natural born citizen because his blackedy-black father wasn't a citizen."


Oh, I know it is all BS since he was born in HI, but I was trying to explain why the birth certificate was so damn important to those idiots, and it all comes down to a weirdly worded citizenship law that was valid at the time.
 
2013-01-09 03:02:20 PM  

Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?


Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.
 
2013-01-09 03:02:28 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Are you serious? Please site that information.


Good luck with that. It's a completely made up requirement that the birthers have gone with.
 
2013-01-09 03:03:03 PM  
why hasn't anyone started a petition to have Orly Taitz deported? I'm sure that's something the White House can really get behind.
 
2013-01-09 03:03:17 PM  

Lochsteppe: Of course not. Chester A. Arthur had the proper skin color for service as the head of the Executive Branch, as set forth in the Leventy-Ninth Amendment.


Chester AKBAR Arthur? We're lucky the union survived.
 
2013-01-09 03:05:39 PM  
Can one of our Fark Independents remind me again how both sides are the same, or maybe point out something similar a Democrat did in 1952?
 
2013-01-09 03:05:52 PM  

BSABSVR: Chester AKBAR Arthur? We're lucky the union survived.


They didn't know it was a trap at the time.
 
2013-01-09 03:06:43 PM  

radiumsoup: actually, the most recent Birther derptaciousness is from the Left, aimed at Texas' newest Republican Senator, Ted Cruz. They're trying hard to head him off at the pass before he makes any annoucement to run.

Straight from the horse's mouth


In his primary campaign for Senate last year, Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst mentioned Cruz's birthplace in a Web ad. Democrat Paul Sadler, Cruz's general election opponent, was more explicit.

"Rafael Cruz - 'Ted', that's what he goes by, his real name is Rafael - was born in Canada, educated at Harvard," Sadler told local Dallas affiliate WFAA.


Sounds more like Xenophobic Derp and Politcio "drive the story. Win the news cycle" than liberal derp, especially since everyone in the article pretty much says he's eligible.
 
2013-01-09 03:06:56 PM  
What's wrong with the Birth Cert. that he shows us?
 
2013-01-09 03:08:29 PM  

Deep Contact: What's wrong with the Birth Cert. that he shows us?


According to someone who has no concept of how photo manipulation works, it's been 'shopped. Even the physical copy.
 
2013-01-09 03:08:38 PM  
Sorry, there are two "r"s in McCarry. Look him up. You might even enjoy his novels or non-fiction, q.v.:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miernik_Dossier">The Miernik Dossier (1973) Christopher investigates a possible Soviet spy in Genevahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tears_of_Autumn">The Tears of Autumn (1974) Christopher investigates the JFK Assassinationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Lovers_(novel)"> The Secret Lovers (1977) Christopher discovers a secret plot within the CIAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels">The Better Angels (1979) Christopher's cousins steal a Presidential electionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(novel)">The Last Supper (1983) Introduction to Christopher's parents in pre-WWII Germany; Christopher is imprisoned in ChinaThe Bride of the Wilderness (1988) Historical novel concerning 17th century Christopher ancestorsSecond Sight (1991) Released from a Chinese prison, Christopher meets a daughter he did not know he hadShelley's Heart (1995) Sequel to The Better Angels: Christopher's cousins cause a Presidential impeachmentOld Boys (2004) Christopher's old associates discover a plot involving terrorists and the fate of Christopher's motherChristopher's Ghosts (2007) The story of Christopher's first love in pre-WWII Germany[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_McCarry&acti on=edit& section=5&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro">edit]Other novelsLucky Bastard (1999) A comic novel in which a likable but amoral, devious and oversexed politician (meant to invoke Bill Clinton) is controlled by a female eastern-bloc subversive.Ark (2011) Earth's wealthiest man attempts to save humanity from a coming apocalypse.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_McCarry& action=edit& section=6&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro">edit]Non-FictionCitizen Nader (1972)Double Eagle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Abruzzo">Ben Abruzzo, Maxie Anderson, Larry Newman (1979)The Great Southwest (1980)Isles of the Caribbean (National Geographic Society, Washington, DC, 1980, co-author)For the Record: From Wall Street to Washington (1988, by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Regan">Donald Regan with Charles McCarry)Paths of Resistance: The Art and Craft of the Political Novel (1989, with Isabel Allende, Marge Piercy, Robert Stone and Gore Vidal)Inner Circles: How America Changed the World: a Memoir (1992, by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Haig">Alexander Haig with Charles McCarry)From the Field: A Collection of Writings from National Geographic (1997, editor)***

Note the co-authors of his non-fiction:  Allende (wife of the assassinated politican; Gore Vidal, gay and liberal historical novelist and satirist; and Alexander Haig, yes, THE "I'm in charge here" General Alexander Haig.

***

Also from Wikipedia:


The film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrong_is_Right">Wrong is Right (1982) starring http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery">Sean Connery was loosely based on his novel, The Better Angels.
 
2013-01-09 03:09:04 PM  

BMFPitt: Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?

Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.


From Wiki:

"William Arthur's frequent moves would later form the basis for accusations that Chester Arthur was not a native-born citizen of the United States. After Arthur was nominated for Vice President in 1880, his political opponents suggested that he might be constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.[8] A New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, apparently hired by his opponents, explored rumors of Arthur's foreign birth.[9] Hinman initially alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old, which would make him ineligible for the Vice Presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born citizen clause.[9][c] When that story did not take root, Hinman spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada, but this claim also failed to gain credence.[9]"

Apparently, derp repeats itself.
 
2013-01-09 03:11:45 PM  
Proving further that he is of foreign soil and alien seed, H. Fartbongo, in the waning days of his tenure, will continue to trample amok over the silken bedsheet of the US Constitution by repealing terms limits (conveniently buried in Obamacare between the paragraphs on death panels and moratorium on romantic comedies with Ryan Reynolds), thus solidifying his socializing muslimification of America and 10,000 years of power.
 
2013-01-09 03:12:53 PM  

cbathrob: BMFPitt: Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?

Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.

From Wiki:

"William Arthur's frequent moves would later form the basis for accusations that Chester Arthur was not a native-born citizen of the United States. After Arthur was nominated for Vice President in 1880, his political opponents suggested that he might be constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.[8] A New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, apparently hired by his opponents, explored rumors of Arthur's foreign birth.[9] Hinman initially alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old, which would make him ineligible for the Vice Presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born citizen clause.[9][c] When that story did not take root, Hinman spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada, but this claim also failed to gain credence.[9]"

Apparently, derp repeats itself.


So it was confirmed that his father was an Irish citizen at the time of Arthur's birth, and yet he still became President and Congress allowed it and the Electoral College voted him in. In other words, it's a settled issue that the citizenship of one parent at the time of birth inside the United States has no bearing on whether or not the child can grow up to be President. It was confirmed again (twice!) with Obama. So why do the birthers keep trying to say that this isn't the case? What case law can they cite? What precedents? What written law? Oh, right, nothing.
 
2013-01-09 03:13:24 PM  
Sorry. Lost some formating.

Wikipedia article on McCarry (from which I copied the above):


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_McCarry"
 
2013-01-09 03:14:07 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Can one of our Fark Independents remind me again how both sides are the same, or maybe point out something similar a Democrat did in 1952?


Estes Kefauver, a Democrat from Tennessee, was Adlai Stevenson's running mate in 1956. Because of Kefauver and his bullshiat juvenile delinquency hearings, the Comics Code Authority destroyed EC Comics, thousands of negatives of Bettie Page photos were destroyed, and Bettie herself retired rather than deal with the senate witch hunts.

Does that work?
 
2013-01-09 03:14:09 PM  
Income tax was never legally voted in, therefore we don't have to pay it!
IT'S A FACT!
 
2013-01-09 03:14:13 PM  

cbathrob: BMFPitt: Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?

Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.

From Wiki:

"William Arthur's frequent moves would later form the basis for accusations that Chester Arthur was not a native-born citizen of the United States. After Arthur was nominated for Vice President in 1880, his political opponents suggested that he might be constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.[8] A New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, apparently hired by his opponents, explored rumors of Arthur's foreign birth.[9] Hinman initially alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old, which would make him ineligible for the Vice Presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born citizen clause.[9][c] When that story did not take root, Hinman spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada, but this claim also failed to gain credence.[9]"

Apparently, derp repeats itself.


So Birtherism is kind of a cross-history mashup, like Pride and Prejudice and Zombies but with extra zombies and prejudice and pride. Neat!
 
2013-01-09 03:15:39 PM  
Congress Says...

A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated:

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1]
 
2013-01-09 03:15:42 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions


I have no idea how that would work.
 
2013-01-09 03:17:09 PM  

monoski: Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born and raised in Kansas by parents who were born in Kansas. = End of story, this alone makes him an American citizen.


Yes, but we're not in Kanasas anymore, Toto.
 
2013-01-09 03:17:12 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.


I am certain that you will be able to cite a Constitutional provision, federal statute or court ruling that affirms the definition that you have provided. Please do so.
 
2013-01-09 03:17:19 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Deep Contact: What's wrong with the Birth Cert. that he shows us?

According to someone who has no concept of how photo manipulation works, it's been 'shopped. Even the physical copy.


That would sound fishy then. How come no one with authority says anthing about it?
 
2013-01-09 03:23:47 PM  
I'm ok with it.
That would allow for Obama to appoint another Judge.
 
2013-01-09 03:27:19 PM  

profplump: leonel: Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one?

They're not arguing he's not a US citizen, they're arguing he's not "natural born". To be fair (which is waaaay more than they deserve) it's not explicitly clear what "natural born" means in this context -- most people take it to mean "citizen at birth" (as opposed to being naturalized after birth) but that isn't spelled out explicitly, so you could make up some other definition.

My favorite part about this is these same people would claim they're the strongest supporters of the American Dream -- that any man can achieve success regardless of his origins. All the while claiming that Obama lacks sufficiently noble bloodlines to become president.

For that matter the whole requirement seems like a bad idea at this point -- are we still afraid the King of Spain is going send in his son to usurp power from the US government? Requirements like "is a US citizen" and "has lived in the US for at least 10 of the past 20 years" or things like that seem reasonable; where your mother was standing when you (or she) were born hardly seems like relevant criteria in selecting a president.


That might have led to a President Schwarzenegger, though, if he hadn't folded like a pack of cards in California.

/Plus he was Austrian, like Hitler!
 
2013-01-09 03:29:41 PM  

Virtual Pariah: I'm ok with it.
That would allow for Obama to appoint another Judge.


yeah, I don't think the BirtherBaggers have thought this one all the way through.
 
2013-01-09 03:29:58 PM  
I killed a Balrog once in D&D, but my character was 15th level and had a +2 holy bane: evil outsider greatsword.

True story.
 
2013-01-09 03:34:26 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


I like your style.
 
2013-01-09 03:34:51 PM  

Virtual Pariah: I'm ok with it.
That would allow for Obama to appoint another Judge.


No no no. If The very act of swearing Obama in nullifies everything that happened from that point forward. Bush is interim president and Robert Bork is no longer dead, therefore next in line.
 
2013-01-09 03:36:32 PM  

MSFT: why doesn't he just show the birth certificate


He already did. Next dumb question?
 
2013-01-09 03:37:47 PM  
 bhcompy:  Rest assured if he won there would have been hubbub.

That's bullshiat and you know it.
 
2013-01-09 03:43:30 PM  
Obama cannot be "a natural born citizen" because his father was not an American citizen. Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born and raised in Kansas by parents who were born in Kansas.


war on women? republicans sure love the peen.
 
2013-01-09 03:49:43 PM  

PonceAlyosha: dickfreckle: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."

I would pay serious money to see this.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and mandatory gay marriage, shall not be infringed.


But it doesn't say what kind of gay marriage. Do we really need fully automatic gay marriage?
 
2013-01-09 03:50:25 PM  

DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


www.toledoblade.com
 
2013-01-09 03:50:35 PM  
I don't understand why the Constitution cares if a President's mom used her vulva or had a C-section.

/no man born of woman can kill the Tea Party
 
2013-01-09 03:51:13 PM  
One of many things birthers don't get is that presidential qualifications are determined politically, not legally. Congress declares the winner of the electoral vote count (or elects the president themselves if electoral votes don't produce a winner), and Congress begins and tries impeachment cases. No lawsuit about presidential qualifications is likely to go anywhere because judges will defer to the separation of powers. The Chief Justice's role in administering the oath of office is a formality. The President-Elect could recite the words in any setting in front of witnesses and that Constitutional requirement would be satisfied.
 
2013-01-09 03:51:20 PM  
Obama should send birthers a copy of this:

www.clusterfake.net
 
2013-01-09 03:53:17 PM  
In the words of Obama, "Please . . . proceed."
 
2013-01-09 04:04:43 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


"A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and mandatory gay marriage shall not be infringed"?

// don't make no sense, friendo
// I did have to divine your intent, as "to bear arms" was not found - I removed the operative phrase "to KEEP AND bear arms" instead
// was that wrong?
 
2013-01-09 04:10:21 PM  

Ed Grubermann: bhcompy:  Rest assured if he won there would have been hubbub.

That's bullshiat and you know it.


Look at the bullshiat that Bush went through from the left about his past(hell, and his present.. his mannerisms, speech patterns, daughters, vacations, etc). You don't think that that wouldn't have continued? You're blind.

Dimensio: DancingElkCondor: Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

I am certain that you will be able to cite a Constitutional provision, federal statute or court ruling that affirms the definition that you have provided. Please do so.


Or you can just read the adequately sourced article on Wikipedia that discusses the matter. The Constitution does not define what a Natural Born Citizen is and the courts have never completely fleshed out the definition. His definition is the most strict definition, and it one that some people in the law and government community have held historically, like here:

If it was intended that anybody who was a citizen by birth should be eligible, it would only have been necessary to say, "no person, except a native-born citizen"; but the framers thought it wise, in view of the probable influx of European immigration, to provide that the president should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance to the United States at the time of his birth. It may be observed in passing that the current phrase "native-born citizen" is well understood; but it is pleonasm and should be discarded; and the correct designation, "native citizen" should be substituted in all constitutional and statutory enactments, in judicial decisions and in legal discussions where accuracy and precise language are essential to intelligent discussion. -Alexander Porter Morse, Albany Law Journal

That doesn't mean that it's the prevailing definition, but it is one that has been held by people of note.
 
2013-01-09 04:10:44 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

It's not that she wasn't old enough, it's that she hadn't lived long enough in the US prior to the birth. You had to live in the US for something like three of the previous five years before the birth and she had been living overseas. Not that it matters, since he was born in Hawaii.


See, this is the part that really confuses me. This lady apparently had the option of giving birth in Hawai'i or Kenya. Admittedly, I don't know much about Kenya, but are you really going to pass up a chance to have your kid in farking Hawai'i? I mean, how cool is that?
 
2013-01-09 04:38:19 PM  
I wonder if they think all black people are born outside the US. It would explain a lot.
 
2013-01-09 04:47:27 PM  
GoodyearPimp: Well, actually the Senate passed a resolution affirming that McCain met the requirements. I think the fact that they didn't do the same for Obama speaks for itself.

bhcompy: Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.

That Senate resolution was sponsored and introduced by a Senator named Barack Obama, a gracious and classy move on his part. There is no law that says someone born on an overseas military base is a natural born citizen, it's just a general assumption. Obama introduced the resolution to remove any doubt and said that he did it because someone should not be unable to run for President because his parents were serving their country.
 
2013-01-09 04:55:42 PM  
Well, I figured with the glut of Constitutional scholars floating around in this thread, I might finally get an answer to this question:

I was born in Britain, to a British mother and American father (serving in the Navy at the time). I was born both a British and American citizen. I moved to this country when I was 2 and have lived here since.

Am I eligible for the Presidency?
 
2013-01-09 04:56:57 PM  
The birthers have invented an entirely new category of citizenship, native born. In their green-sky world, a person is only a natural born citizen if both of his parents were citizens, even if he was born in the U.S. By being born in the U.S., Obama gets to be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen.

Another alternate reality they've created is that Obama was a natural born citizen at birth but lost his citizenship by moving to Indonesia. He got it back when he returned to the U.S. but it was then naturalized citizenship, not natural born citizenship. Go ahead and count the number of things wrong with that theory.

Under Kenyan law, Obama had Kenyan citizenship at birth because his dad was a Kenyan citizen (if you want to keep your Kenyan citizenship you have to go there and formally claim it within 2 years of your 21st birthday). The birthers also like to claim Obama's Kenyan citizenship means that Obama can't be a natural born citizen. They don't seem to realize they're claiming that the laws of another country dictate U.S. law and citizenship.
 
2013-01-09 05:02:11 PM  
Lord Dimwit: bhcompy: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.

What's really interesting is that the State Department has specifically said that birth on a military base is not sufficient for citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Additionally, while parents can convey their citizenship to their children this was not true for parents who gave birth in the Panama Canal Zone at the time of John McCain's birth - his citizenship was retroactively conferred upon him (and everyone else born in the Panama Canal Zone) by an Act of Congress about a year after he was born.

Now, I think personally that McCain was eligible but can you imagine how much louder the Republicans would've screamed had the situation I just described been applied to Obama? I wonder why they didn't question McCain's birth status. I wonder what could be different about the two men. Hmm..I wonder.

It couldn't possibly be that the Right is full of racists, since I have been reassured many times that they are not racists.


You're too kind, me I'm convinced that to most Conservatives, the term "American" only applies to White people.
 
2013-01-09 05:06:11 PM  
Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.


So you consider Hawaii to not be U.S. soil?
 
2013-01-09 05:18:59 PM  
I actually saw a WND sticker on a car at Costco the other day. It was after the magazine came out with a compilation of 2012 polls. The results suggested that there are a lot of libertarian Costco customers, or at least poll-takers.

Got me to thinking. Is it my imagination or are libertarians skewing paranoid-conservative these days?
 
2013-01-09 05:19:42 PM  
dustygrimp: I wonder if they think all black people are born outside the US. It would explain a lot.

It's more along the lines of Black people are not allowed to be American citizens.
 
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