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(Huffington Post)   The latest Birther target? Chief Justice John Roberts, whom they want impeached if he swears in the foreign usurper Balrog HUSSEIN Taxbongo for a second term   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 170
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2013-01-09 09:28:03 AM
WND still farking that poor chicken, i see.
 
2013-01-09 09:32:19 AM

FlashHarry: WND still farking that poor chicken, i see.

it's really more of a paste now.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-09 09:34:37 AM
Doesn't he get credit for not really swearing in Obama four years ago?
 
2013-01-09 09:37:01 AM

ZAZ: Doesn't he get credit for not really swearing in Obama four years ago?


That was a start, but if we had a real Chief Justice and not a RINO, he would have arrested the Muslin Usuper on the spot, held an instant show trial (which if you study out the Constitution, he has the right to do) and built a gallows and hanged 0Bozo that very day. Shows how high up the conspiracy has gotten.
 
2013-01-09 10:04:45 AM

BunkoSquad: which if you study out the Constitution


images.latinospost.com

agrees!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-09 10:08:06 AM
Are they still a thing?
 
2013-01-09 10:17:10 AM
Alright. This has gone on long enough. Where's Ashton? Come on out and show us where the cameras are.
 
2013-01-09 10:45:16 AM
Huh, and here I was thinking that they had all moved on to Benghazi.
 
2013-01-09 10:52:14 AM

Raharu: FlashHarry: WND still farking that poor chicken, i see.
it's really more of a paste now.


Soon it will just be a chicken nugget.
 
2013-01-09 10:53:33 AM

nekom: Huh, and here I was thinking that they had all moved on to Benghazi.


They learned to multitask.
 
2013-01-09 11:02:41 AM

Blues_X: Raharu: FlashHarry: WND still farking that poor chicken, i see.
it's really more of a paste now.

Soon it will just be a chicken nugget.


No.  It will be the pink slime of the pre-nugget.
 
2013-01-09 11:08:34 AM

nekom: Huh, and here I was thinking that they had all moved on to Benghazi.


you mean benghazi... in africa? that's near kenya, i think!
 
2013-01-09 11:40:48 AM
And this year he's swearing him in TWICE. So, no presidential elections til 2020!
 
2013-01-09 11:43:41 AM
Taxbongo...I like that one, I haven't seen it yet. I'm not keeping up with the floor humpers very much these days though.
 
2013-01-09 11:51:20 AM
So, let me get this straight. Obama served a term but really wasn't president because he was ineligible. Does that mean that term didn't count? If so, then why would the 22nd amendment apply to him? Obama 2016!!!!
 
2013-01-09 12:02:23 PM
Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."
 
2013-01-09 12:18:47 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And this year he's swearing him in TWICE. So, no presidential elections til 2020!


He did that last time too, remember?  So it'll be 2024.
 
2013-01-09 12:21:12 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And this year he's swearing him in TWICE. So, no presidential elections til 2020!


He did that last time too.  So it'll be until 2024.
 
2013-01-09 12:27:59 PM

SnarfVader: So, let me get this straight. Obama served a term but really wasn't president because he was ineligible. Does that mean that term didn't count? If so, then why would the 22nd amendment apply to him? Obama 2016!!!!


Either that, or it's a President Biden.  I'm not sure precisely what the goal is here.  Even if it were conclusively proven that Barack "The Islamic Shock" Hussein Fartbongo were born in Kenya, that won't make Sarah Palin automatically president.
 
2013-01-09 12:30:02 PM
Oh, Balrog Obama has a fun GIS.

www.jeffhead.com

/thanks subby
 
2013-01-09 12:33:40 PM
We accept your proposal.
 
2013-01-09 12:48:05 PM
Heheh... funny thing about that co-equal branch of gubermint thing...
 
2013-01-09 12:53:18 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


slowclap.gif

+1 for "Atomic Koran Drop"
 
2013-01-09 01:02:13 PM
Here, allow me to summarize the article: I have no idea how citizenship works, so I'm going to yell at the clouds for a while
 
2013-01-09 01:15:30 PM
Do they realize that if Roberts was tossed somehow after Obama was sworn in, Obama would choose his replacement?
 
2013-01-09 01:19:44 PM

Raharu: it's really more of a paste now.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Chicken pate.
 
2013-01-09 01:27:57 PM

Publikwerks: Do they realize that if Roberts was tossed somehow after Obama was sworn in, Obama would choose his replacement?


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Don't tell them!
 
2013-01-09 01:35:14 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Publikwerks: Do they realize that if Roberts was tossed somehow after Obama was sworn in, Obama would choose his replacement?

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Don't tell them!


cdn.bleacherreport.net
Don't worry, they're not listening anyway.
 
2013-01-09 02:09:48 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


I would pay serious money to see this.
 
2013-01-09 02:10:09 PM
media.eventhubs.com
RIP Balrog
 
2013-01-09 02:11:43 PM

Blues_X: Raharu: FlashHarry: WND still farking that poor chicken, i see.
it's really more of a paste now.

Soon it will just be a chicken nugget.


www.eurweb.com

You know what you need? You need a Value Pack!
 
2013-01-09 02:13:30 PM
I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:10 PM
Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born and raised in Kansas by parents who were born in Kansas. = End of story, this alone makes him an American citizen.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:48 PM
Some one needs to shut these people the fark up once and for all.
 
2013-01-09 02:14:55 PM
I wonder if any of these morons ever have a moment of clarity and realize they're completely farked in the head and should seek some help?
 
2013-01-09 02:15:19 PM

Shostie: Alright. This has gone on long enough. Where's Ashton? Come on out and show us where the cameras are.


Nah, Ashton's not involved. But any day now Orly will remove the wig and reveal she is actually Sacha Baron Cohen.
 
2013-01-09 02:15:47 PM

leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.


Yes, they are basically saying he meets every qualification of a natural born citizen, while saying that because he has met all the qualifications of a natural born citizen, he obviously is not one.  It's one of the most baffling things they have come up with yet, and that really is saying a lot.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:12 PM
Yes, impeach Roberts. I'm sure his replacement will suit your ideals much better.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:34 PM

leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.


Absolutely correct. McCain wasn't born in America either, nobody complained about that.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:41 PM
TL;DR version - Birthers: they're assholes.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:44 PM

Sybarite: Oh, Balrog Obama has a fun GIS.


First thought was "why is the gayest looking Star Wars kid in Gandalf's place?" Then I looked closer. Then my brain fled my skull yelling "Fly, you fools!"
 
2013-01-09 02:18:02 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


+1 would lol again
 
2013-01-09 02:18:25 PM
What comes after embarrassment??

oooh Oooooh pick me....pick me!!!

What is crazier than a shiathouse rat?

You are correct
 
2013-01-09 02:18:47 PM

leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.


Birthers don't let little things like facts and reason deter them
 
2013-01-09 02:19:15 PM
Chicken Santorum?

www.campbellfoodservice.com
 
2013-01-09 02:19:32 PM
why doesn't he just show the birth certificate
 
2013-01-09 02:20:16 PM

FlashHarry: BunkoSquad: which if you study out the Constitution

[images.latinospost.com image 650x370]

agrees!


My job prohibits me from committing elder abuse, but hot damn, I want to punch that woman in the throat so bad.
 
2013-01-09 02:20:16 PM
So hold on, I don't speak derp:

If you now administer the oath of office for the presidency to a man who by his own admission fails to meet the natural born citizen requirement imposed by that Constitution, you have violated your own oath of office and are rightly subject to impeachment by any House of Representatives, at any time, now or in the future.

So is this guy saying that the House of Representatives will impeach Roberts, or is this one of those "grand jury presentment" things where some Internet people who wear fanny packs and ride Honda Goldwings will call themselves a House of Representatives, go to DC and hand Roberts a manila folder full of legalese written in Comic Sans?
 
2013-01-09 02:20:33 PM

KangTheMad: McCain wasn't born in America either, nobody complained about that.


Well, actually the Senate passed a resolution affirming that McCain met the requirements. I think the fact that they didn't do the same for Obama speaks for itself.
 
2013-01-09 02:21:36 PM

Raharu: FlashHarry: WND still farking that poor chicken, i see.
it's really more of a paste now.


Portuguese breakfast?
 
2013-01-09 02:22:09 PM

dickfreckle: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."

I would pay serious money to see this.



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and mandatory gay marriage, shall not be infringed.
 
2013-01-09 02:22:51 PM
Wade_Wilson
"....she is actually Sacha Baron Cohen." That's just fine as long as he has Belinda Bedekovic with him.
 
2013-01-09 02:23:30 PM

GoodyearPimp: KangTheMad: McCain wasn't born in America either, nobody complained about that.

Well, actually the Senate passed a resolution affirming that McCain met the requirements. I think the fact that they didn't do the same for Obama speaks for itself.


that was a waste of money. Well done, Senate. I see you guys were focusing on the important things.
 
2013-01-09 02:23:39 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


Good times.... good times...
 
2013-01-09 02:23:57 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


You're on a roll today.
 
2013-01-09 02:24:10 PM

leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.


Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera
 
2013-01-09 02:24:19 PM
FTFH: " ...the foreign usurper Balrog HUSSEIN Taxbongo for a second term"

Subby misspelled Djangobama... ;^)

/Balrog was a nice touch, tho
 
2013-01-09 02:24:38 PM
The "B. Hussein Obama" thing from the right was really just my favorite thing ever.

"Presidential candidate B. Hussein Obama."

"Why are you calling him that?"

"That's his name, isn't it? I'm not doing anything wrong or weird."

Some of them even starting doing things like "H. Rodham Clinton" and "J. Sydney McCain" and just acted like that was how they normally named people and they didn't start doing it when Obama was nominated. Others would say "that's how he prefers to be called!" which is of course not true.

It was really just the most immature thing ever. Even some of the Republican leadership called them out on it, finally (although some other pieces of the Republican leadership just kept on trucking with it).
 
2013-01-09 02:25:44 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


+1 would LOL again.
 
2013-01-09 02:26:43 PM
I fully support impeaching Justice Roberts, along with the rest of the conservative wing of the Supreme Court.
 
2013-01-09 02:26:52 PM
What if the Cheif Justice is jewish, can we throw in a Zionist Conspiracy?
 
2013-01-09 02:26:54 PM

DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


No... no, that's not the issue. An established fact doesn't become a contested issue just because you want it to be.
 
2013-01-09 02:27:23 PM
... The sad thing is, These people breed.

/"Just think - National Enquirer Readers are among the elite intellectual minority who actually READ! (Have a Nice Day)"/
 
2013-01-09 02:28:20 PM

leonel: Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one?


They're not arguing he's not a US citizen, they're arguing he's not "natural born". To be fair (which is waaaay more than they deserve) it's not explicitly clear what "natural born" means in this context -- most people take it to mean "citizen at birth" (as opposed to being naturalized after birth) but that isn't spelled out explicitly, so you could make up some other definition.

My favorite part about this is these same people would claim they're the strongest supporters of the American Dream -- that any man can achieve success regardless of his origins. All the while claiming that Obama lacks sufficiently noble bloodlines to become president.

For that matter the whole requirement seems like a bad idea at this point -- are we still afraid the King of Spain is going send in his son to usurp power from the US government? Requirements like "is a US citizen" and "has lived in the US for at least 10 of the past 20 years" or things like that seem reasonable; where your mother was standing when you (or she) were born hardly seems like relevant criteria in selecting a president.
 
2013-01-09 02:28:44 PM

DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-09 02:29:50 PM
It's good to know that as much as the 2000 florida debacle darkened the sky for liberals, a little melanin has made it pour fire and shiat for the teatards.

good luck with that.
 
2013-01-09 02:29:51 PM
what is the fanatical devotion to obummer all about ? i mean it is a communist from kenya, manchurian candidate & UN plant it is by far the worst president we have ever had even worse then the shrub!
 
2013-01-09 02:30:04 PM

GoodyearPimp: KangTheMad: McCain wasn't born in America either, nobody complained about that.

Well, actually the Senate passed a resolution affirming that McCain met the requirements. I think the fact that they didn't do the same for Obama speaks for itself.


Right, considering Obama - unlike McCain - was actually born in the United States and eligible to be President.
 
2013-01-09 02:31:15 PM
freakoutnation.com
Low hanging fruit...really.
 
2013-01-09 02:33:02 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-09 02:35:18 PM

Egoy3k: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."

+1 would LOL again.


that African clicking language?

oh lawls!
 
2013-01-09 02:38:11 PM

leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.


Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.
 
2013-01-09 02:38:56 PM

timujin: Here, allow me to summarize the article: I have no idea how citizenship works, so I'm going to yell at the clouds for a while


Nice.
/if you yell long enough eventually people will start to believe you.
//propaganda technique used quite effectively by the Nazis
///I improvised that last one, may or may not be actually correct in the concrete factie kind of way ;b
 
2013-01-09 02:40:02 PM
Huffpo, DIAF for your farking autoplay videos!

/time to reenable scriptblocker
 
2013-01-09 02:41:37 PM
Please, please tell me they can substitute SCJ Clarence Thomas or SCCJ Antonia "Evil Mastermind" La Scalia for Roberts at the last minute. I wouldn't mind seeing either of those SOBs impeached for their contribution to the destruction of American democracy through the pseudo-election of George Bush in 2000 and the Citizens United Great Abomination.
 
2013-01-09 02:42:18 PM

DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


Of course, if that actually were the definition of natural born citizen, we wouldn't get to hear the morons crying about the fictitious "anchor baby" issue.
 
2013-01-09 02:42:48 PM

bhcompy: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.


What's really interesting is that the State Department has specifically said that birth on a military base is not sufficient for citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Additionally, while parents can convey their citizenship to their children this was not true for parents who gave birth in the Panama Canal Zone at the time of John McCain's birth - his citizenship was retroactively conferred upon him (and everyone else born in the Panama Canal Zone) by an Act of Congress about a year after he was born.

Now, I think personally that McCain was eligible but can you imagine how much louder the Republicans would've screamed had the situation I just described been applied to Obama? I wonder why they didn't question McCain's birth status. I wonder what could be different about the two men. Hmm..I wonder.

It couldn't possibly be that the Right is full of racists, since I have been reassured many times that they are not racists.
 
2013-01-09 02:43:56 PM
Ah, the Mines of Derp. You Farkers fear to go into there.

You know what the Birthers unearthed when they dug too greedily and too deep. Whaargble and blame!
 
2013-01-09 02:44:27 PM

DancingElkCondor: Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


7/10

well done!
 
2013-01-09 02:46:17 PM

DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


Are you serious? Please site that information. I am a Natural born citizen as I was born in Chicago though my parents were Brazilian.
 
2013-01-09 02:46:30 PM

DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?
 
2013-01-09 02:47:24 PM

Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?


...just checked the Internets. His mother was a US citizen, not Canadian. His father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth, so it actually even more closely parallels Obama's circumstances.
 
2013-01-09 02:49:06 PM
wait til he swears him in for his 3rd term, their really go batshiat crazy.
 
2013-01-09 02:49:48 PM
Remember, this comes from a group of people who think that impeach means to arrest and/or fire. All impeachment proceedings do not lead to removal, no matter what the outcome.
 
2013-01-09 02:50:51 PM

profplump: leonel: Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one?

They're not arguing he's not a US citizen, they're arguing he's not "natural born". To be fair (which is waaaay more than they deserve) it's not explicitly clear what "natural born" means in this context -- most people take it to mean "citizen at birth" (as opposed to being naturalized after birth) but that isn't spelled out explicitly, so you could make up some other definition.

My favorite part about this is these same people would claim they're the strongest supporters of the American Dream -- that any man can achieve success regardless of his origins. All the while claiming that Obama lacks sufficiently noble bloodlines to become president.

For that matter the whole requirement seems like a bad idea at this point -- are we still afraid the King of Spain is going send in his son to usurp power from the US government? Requirements like "is a US citizen" and "has lived in the US for at least 10 of the past 20 years" or things like that seem reasonable; where your mother was standing when you (or she) were born hardly seems like relevant criteria in selecting a president.


If it were up to me, I'd ditch all the requirements to run for the office of President and leave it up to the voters to decide whether or not they want to elect a 5-year old child in Nepal. Something tells me that is not going to happen however.

What is a tad more realistic is changing the natural birth requirement to a "must be a citizen for at least 35 years" requirement.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:24 PM

leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.


There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:26 PM

your average maint. man: wait til he swears him in for his 3rd term, their really go batshiat crazy.


I'm an Obama supporter. I would laugh mightily at the faces of the right wingers and drink their tears. I would then go join whatever patriotic group was opposing this action, since it would be in violation of the Constitution.

(Unless the Constitution were to have been amended in the meantime to allow it, in which case I would continue drinking the tears of the right wingers and start campaigning to have the term limits reinstated.)
 
2013-01-09 02:52:52 PM

Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.


It's not that she wasn't old enough, it's that she hadn't lived long enough in the US prior to the birth. You had to live in the US for something like three of the previous five years before the birth and she had been living overseas. Not that it matters, since he was born in Hawaii.
 
2013-01-09 02:54:29 PM
Your failure to investigate these citizenship issues surrounding Mr. Obama at the time questions were raised during his first term places you in a terrible position. You are now confronted with a most difficult choice.

Wait, the Supreme Court is charge of launching and conducting investigations now? Man, my American Government teacher did a shiatty job. I didn't even know they were responsible for things like that. It's a good thing I have websites like WND to keep me infromed!
 
2013-01-09 02:55:02 PM

Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.


Not applicable, since he was born on US soil. You're getting your birther nonsense confused :) Today's derp is "he was born in the US but not a natural born citizen because his blackedy-black father wasn't a citizen."
 
2013-01-09 02:55:39 PM

Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?


I don't know...those mutton chop sideburns are nowhere in the Constitution.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:10 PM

Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?


Of course not. Chester A. Arthur had the proper skin color for service as the head of the Executive Branch, as set forth in the Leventy-Ninth Amendment.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:11 PM

Shirley Ujest: What if the Cheif Justice is jewish, can we throw in a Zionist Conspiracy?


Chief Justice Russ Feingold from Wisconsin sounds good to me. Plus i'm pretty sure the amount of crazies living our country would allow us normal folk to get shiat done.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:31 PM

brantgoose: Please, please tell me they can substitute SCJ Clarence Thomas or SCCJ Antonia "Evil Mastermind" La Scalia for Roberts at the last minute.



No, not Thomas, I'm pretty sure he's planning on napping during the swearing-in.

Again.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:38 PM
so tired of fearful people
 
2013-01-09 02:56:58 PM
actually, the most recent Birther derptaciousness is from the Left, aimed at Texas' newest Republican Senator, Ted Cruz. They're trying hard to head him off at the pass before he makes any annoucement to run.

Straight from the horse's mouth
 
2013-01-09 02:57:00 PM

phaseolus: brantgoose: Please, please tell me they can substitute SCJ Clarence Thomas or SCCJ Antonia "Evil Mastermind" La Scalia for Roberts at the last minute.


No, not Thomas, I'm pretty sure he's planning on napping during the swearing-in.

Again.


i meant leaving...trying to eat lunch and type and failing
 
2013-01-09 02:57:56 PM
OK, they're just messin' with us now. That's all it is. Just messin' with us. Geez.
 
2013-01-09 02:59:12 PM

Lord Dimwit: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

It's not that she wasn't old enough, it's that she hadn't lived long enough in the US prior to the birth. You had to live in the US for something like three of the previous five years before the birth and she had been living overseas. Not that it matters, since he was born in Hawaii.


I thought it was worded in some weird way so that you have to have lived in the US x number of years after your 13th birthday or something, so that it is impossible for an 18 year old to satisfy those requirements even if she hasn't stepper foot outside the US. I'm trying to look up the exact wording, but the Googles are doing nothing.
 
2013-01-09 03:01:27 PM

By the by, former CIA agent, Charles McCary wrote a novel about a stolen electin in 1995, years before the 2000 fiasco. In it, a Liberal Supreme Court Justic conspired to elect an extremist President. Substitute "conservative" for "liberal' and you have a roman à clef about what really happened.

Also, the movie Wrong is Right is based on another of his novels, about a conspiracy to impeach a liberal President after tricking him into ordering the assasination of a Middle East leader, and the framing of a Saddam Hussein-like rebel leader. The nuclear suitcase bombs in the movie are placed on the World Trade Center towers. As a result of the resignation of the liberal, a gung ho Texas politician is elected and goes to war with the Middle Eastern country in question, thus ensuring the USA's oil supply in the same way proposed by a the-secret plan created by the Nixon administration, for which McCary worked.

Personally I suspect that both plots were known to McCarry as a CIA agent, and were subsequently carried out in the real world.

I'm not saying that the CIA carried out these plots. But George Bush Sr. was parachuted into the CIA Director's office by Nixon (and was recruted in politics, if not the CIA, by the same man who recruted Nixon into politics, namely the more controversial of the two Dulles brothers. The would have been familiar to him and to others like him in the Republican Party, the Company and possibly elsewhere.

Personally I think the Republican Party has been a hotbed of sedition and unConstitutional conspiracy since before Bush Sr.'s father and grandfather were let off the hook for Trading with the Enemy and before Bush Sr. himself joined the airforce (a necessary but not sufficient step towards joining the Company).

Furthermore, I believe that the George Bush of the CIA who was interviewed by J. Edgar Hoover after the Kennedy assassination and the George Bush of the CIA who provided ships (two of them named Barbara and Houston) to the Bay of Pigs operation were all one person, the young George Bush who joined the airforce at 18 or 19 to live down the scandal of his forefathers.

Damn few conspiracy theories are supported by this kind of circumstantial evidence I have presented here, or any evidence at all. Screw the Birthers, the 911ers, the Tenthers, the Obama haters, the JFK Assassination theorists, and so forth. Their conspiracies don't hold one tenth the water that mine do.

www.metroactive.com
Charles McCarry, CIA agent and spy novelist.
May look like Svengali, but the real conspirators were elsewhere
 
2013-01-09 03:01:38 PM

Lord Dimwit: bhcompy: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.

What's really interesting is that the State Department has specifically said that birth on a military base is not sufficient for citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Additionally, while parents can convey their citizenship to their children this was not true for parents who gave birth in the Panama Canal Zone at the time of John McCain's birth - his citizenship was retroactively conferred upon him (and everyone else born in the Panama Canal Zone) by an Act of Congress about a year after he was born.

Now, I think personally that McCain was eligible but can you imagine how much louder the Republicans would've screamed had the situation I just described been applied to Obama? I wonder why they didn't question McCain's birth status. I wonder what could be different about the two men. Hmm..I wonder.

It couldn't possibly be that the Right is full of racists, since I have been reassured many times that they are not racists.


It was questioned, just not as loudly. He showed his birth certificate to the press to prove his birth(there is question about where he was born in Panama on top of the question of his general citizenship), the Senate passed a motion affirming his qualification, etc. Rest assured if he won there would have been hubbub, but he didn't win, so it was moot.
 
2013-01-09 03:01:48 PM

angrycrank: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

Not applicable, since he was born on US soil. You're getting your birther nonsense confused :) Today's derp is "he was born in the US but not a natural born citizen because his blackedy-black father wasn't a citizen."


Oh, I know it is all BS since he was born in HI, but I was trying to explain why the birth certificate was so damn important to those idiots, and it all comes down to a weirdly worded citizenship law that was valid at the time.
 
2013-01-09 03:02:20 PM

Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?


Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.
 
2013-01-09 03:02:28 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Are you serious? Please site that information.


Good luck with that. It's a completely made up requirement that the birthers have gone with.
 
2013-01-09 03:03:03 PM
why hasn't anyone started a petition to have Orly Taitz deported? I'm sure that's something the White House can really get behind.
 
2013-01-09 03:03:17 PM

Lochsteppe: Of course not. Chester A. Arthur had the proper skin color for service as the head of the Executive Branch, as set forth in the Leventy-Ninth Amendment.


Chester AKBAR Arthur? We're lucky the union survived.
 
2013-01-09 03:05:39 PM
Can one of our Fark Independents remind me again how both sides are the same, or maybe point out something similar a Democrat did in 1952?
 
2013-01-09 03:05:52 PM

BSABSVR: Chester AKBAR Arthur? We're lucky the union survived.


They didn't know it was a trap at the time.
 
2013-01-09 03:06:43 PM

radiumsoup: actually, the most recent Birther derptaciousness is from the Left, aimed at Texas' newest Republican Senator, Ted Cruz. They're trying hard to head him off at the pass before he makes any annoucement to run.

Straight from the horse's mouth


In his primary campaign for Senate last year, Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst mentioned Cruz's birthplace in a Web ad. Democrat Paul Sadler, Cruz's general election opponent, was more explicit.

"Rafael Cruz - 'Ted', that's what he goes by, his real name is Rafael - was born in Canada, educated at Harvard," Sadler told local Dallas affiliate WFAA.


Sounds more like Xenophobic Derp and Politcio "drive the story. Win the news cycle" than liberal derp, especially since everyone in the article pretty much says he's eligible.
 
2013-01-09 03:06:56 PM
What's wrong with the Birth Cert. that he shows us?
 
2013-01-09 03:08:29 PM

Deep Contact: What's wrong with the Birth Cert. that he shows us?


According to someone who has no concept of how photo manipulation works, it's been 'shopped. Even the physical copy.
 
2013-01-09 03:08:38 PM
Sorry, there are two "r"s in McCarry. Look him up. You might even enjoy his novels or non-fiction, q.v.:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miernik_Dossier">The Miernik Dossier (1973) Christopher investigates a possible Soviet spy in Genevahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tears_of_Autumn">The Tears of Autumn (1974) Christopher investigates the JFK Assassinationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Lovers_(novel)"> The Secret Lovers (1977) Christopher discovers a secret plot within the CIAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels">The Better Angels (1979) Christopher's cousins steal a Presidential electionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(novel)">The Last Supper (1983) Introduction to Christopher's parents in pre-WWII Germany; Christopher is imprisoned in ChinaThe Bride of the Wilderness (1988) Historical novel concerning 17th century Christopher ancestorsSecond Sight (1991) Released from a Chinese prison, Christopher meets a daughter he did not know he hadShelley's Heart (1995) Sequel to The Better Angels: Christopher's cousins cause a Presidential impeachmentOld Boys (2004) Christopher's old associates discover a plot involving terrorists and the fate of Christopher's motherChristopher's Ghosts (2007) The story of Christopher's first love in pre-WWII Germany[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_McCarry&acti on=edit& section=5&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro">edit]Other novelsLucky Bastard (1999) A comic novel in which a likable but amoral, devious and oversexed politician (meant to invoke Bill Clinton) is controlled by a female eastern-bloc subversive.Ark (2011) Earth's wealthiest man attempts to save humanity from a coming apocalypse.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_McCarry& action=edit& section=6&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro">edit]Non-FictionCitizen Nader (1972)Double Eagle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Abruzzo">Ben Abruzzo, Maxie Anderson, Larry Newman (1979)The Great Southwest (1980)Isles of the Caribbean (National Geographic Society, Washington, DC, 1980, co-author)For the Record: From Wall Street to Washington (1988, by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Regan">Donald Regan with Charles McCarry)Paths of Resistance: The Art and Craft of the Political Novel (1989, with Isabel Allende, Marge Piercy, Robert Stone and Gore Vidal)Inner Circles: How America Changed the World: a Memoir (1992, by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Haig">Alexander Haig with Charles McCarry)From the Field: A Collection of Writings from National Geographic (1997, editor)***

Note the co-authors of his non-fiction:  Allende (wife of the assassinated politican; Gore Vidal, gay and liberal historical novelist and satirist; and Alexander Haig, yes, THE "I'm in charge here" General Alexander Haig.

***

Also from Wikipedia:


The film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrong_is_Right">Wrong is Right (1982) starring http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery">Sean Connery was loosely based on his novel, The Better Angels.
 
2013-01-09 03:09:04 PM

BMFPitt: Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?

Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.


From Wiki:

"William Arthur's frequent moves would later form the basis for accusations that Chester Arthur was not a native-born citizen of the United States. After Arthur was nominated for Vice President in 1880, his political opponents suggested that he might be constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.[8] A New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, apparently hired by his opponents, explored rumors of Arthur's foreign birth.[9] Hinman initially alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old, which would make him ineligible for the Vice Presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born citizen clause.[9][c] When that story did not take root, Hinman spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada, but this claim also failed to gain credence.[9]"

Apparently, derp repeats itself.
 
2013-01-09 03:11:45 PM
Proving further that he is of foreign soil and alien seed, H. Fartbongo, in the waning days of his tenure, will continue to trample amok over the silken bedsheet of the US Constitution by repealing terms limits (conveniently buried in Obamacare between the paragraphs on death panels and moratorium on romantic comedies with Ryan Reynolds), thus solidifying his socializing muslimification of America and 10,000 years of power.
 
2013-01-09 03:12:53 PM

cbathrob: BMFPitt: Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?

Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.

From Wiki:

"William Arthur's frequent moves would later form the basis for accusations that Chester Arthur was not a native-born citizen of the United States. After Arthur was nominated for Vice President in 1880, his political opponents suggested that he might be constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.[8] A New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, apparently hired by his opponents, explored rumors of Arthur's foreign birth.[9] Hinman initially alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old, which would make him ineligible for the Vice Presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born citizen clause.[9][c] When that story did not take root, Hinman spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada, but this claim also failed to gain credence.[9]"

Apparently, derp repeats itself.


So it was confirmed that his father was an Irish citizen at the time of Arthur's birth, and yet he still became President and Congress allowed it and the Electoral College voted him in. In other words, it's a settled issue that the citizenship of one parent at the time of birth inside the United States has no bearing on whether or not the child can grow up to be President. It was confirmed again (twice!) with Obama. So why do the birthers keep trying to say that this isn't the case? What case law can they cite? What precedents? What written law? Oh, right, nothing.
 
2013-01-09 03:13:24 PM
Sorry. Lost some formating.

Wikipedia article on McCarry (from which I copied the above):


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_McCarry"
 
2013-01-09 03:14:07 PM

The Why Not Guy: Can one of our Fark Independents remind me again how both sides are the same, or maybe point out something similar a Democrat did in 1952?


Estes Kefauver, a Democrat from Tennessee, was Adlai Stevenson's running mate in 1956. Because of Kefauver and his bullshiat juvenile delinquency hearings, the Comics Code Authority destroyed EC Comics, thousands of negatives of Bettie Page photos were destroyed, and Bettie herself retired rather than deal with the senate witch hunts.

Does that work?
 
2013-01-09 03:14:09 PM
Income tax was never legally voted in, therefore we don't have to pay it!
IT'S A FACT!
 
2013-01-09 03:14:13 PM

cbathrob: BMFPitt: Lord Dimwit: DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera

I have never seen this, anywhere, at all, before people starting trying to say Obama wasn't eligible. If that were true than neither was Chester A. Arthur, whose father was an Irish citizen at the time of his birth and his mother a Canadian citizen. No one seriously believes that Chester A. Arthur's Presidency was invalid, do they?

Actually yes, there were 19th century birthers. Seriously, look it up.

From Wiki:

"William Arthur's frequent moves would later form the basis for accusations that Chester Arthur was not a native-born citizen of the United States. After Arthur was nominated for Vice President in 1880, his political opponents suggested that he might be constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.[8] A New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, apparently hired by his opponents, explored rumors of Arthur's foreign birth.[9] Hinman initially alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old, which would make him ineligible for the Vice Presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born citizen clause.[9][c] When that story did not take root, Hinman spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada, but this claim also failed to gain credence.[9]"

Apparently, derp repeats itself.


So Birtherism is kind of a cross-history mashup, like Pride and Prejudice and Zombies but with extra zombies and prejudice and pride. Neat!
 
2013-01-09 03:15:39 PM
Congress Says...

A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated:

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1]
 
2013-01-09 03:15:42 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions


I have no idea how that would work.
 
2013-01-09 03:17:09 PM

monoski: Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born and raised in Kansas by parents who were born in Kansas. = End of story, this alone makes him an American citizen.


Yes, but we're not in Kanasas anymore, Toto.
 
2013-01-09 03:17:12 PM

DancingElkCondor: Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.


I am certain that you will be able to cite a Constitutional provision, federal statute or court ruling that affirms the definition that you have provided. Please do so.
 
2013-01-09 03:17:19 PM

Lord Dimwit: Deep Contact: What's wrong with the Birth Cert. that he shows us?

According to someone who has no concept of how photo manipulation works, it's been 'shopped. Even the physical copy.


That would sound fishy then. How come no one with authority says anthing about it?
 
2013-01-09 03:23:47 PM
I'm ok with it.
That would allow for Obama to appoint another Judge.
 
2013-01-09 03:27:19 PM

profplump: leonel: Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one?

They're not arguing he's not a US citizen, they're arguing he's not "natural born". To be fair (which is waaaay more than they deserve) it's not explicitly clear what "natural born" means in this context -- most people take it to mean "citizen at birth" (as opposed to being naturalized after birth) but that isn't spelled out explicitly, so you could make up some other definition.

My favorite part about this is these same people would claim they're the strongest supporters of the American Dream -- that any man can achieve success regardless of his origins. All the while claiming that Obama lacks sufficiently noble bloodlines to become president.

For that matter the whole requirement seems like a bad idea at this point -- are we still afraid the King of Spain is going send in his son to usurp power from the US government? Requirements like "is a US citizen" and "has lived in the US for at least 10 of the past 20 years" or things like that seem reasonable; where your mother was standing when you (or she) were born hardly seems like relevant criteria in selecting a president.


That might have led to a President Schwarzenegger, though, if he hadn't folded like a pack of cards in California.

/Plus he was Austrian, like Hitler!
 
2013-01-09 03:29:41 PM

Virtual Pariah: I'm ok with it.
That would allow for Obama to appoint another Judge.


yeah, I don't think the BirtherBaggers have thought this one all the way through.
 
2013-01-09 03:29:58 PM
I killed a Balrog once in D&D, but my character was 15th level and had a +2 holy bane: evil outsider greatsword.

True story.
 
2013-01-09 03:34:26 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


I like your style.
 
2013-01-09 03:34:51 PM

Virtual Pariah: I'm ok with it.
That would allow for Obama to appoint another Judge.


No no no. If The very act of swearing Obama in nullifies everything that happened from that point forward. Bush is interim president and Robert Bork is no longer dead, therefore next in line.
 
2013-01-09 03:36:32 PM

MSFT: why doesn't he just show the birth certificate


He already did. Next dumb question?
 
2013-01-09 03:37:47 PM
 bhcompy:  Rest assured if he won there would have been hubbub.

That's bullshiat and you know it.
 
2013-01-09 03:43:30 PM
Obama cannot be "a natural born citizen" because his father was not an American citizen. Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born and raised in Kansas by parents who were born in Kansas.


war on women? republicans sure love the peen.
 
2013-01-09 03:49:43 PM

PonceAlyosha: dickfreckle: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."

I would pay serious money to see this.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and mandatory gay marriage, shall not be infringed.


But it doesn't say what kind of gay marriage. Do we really need fully automatic gay marriage?
 
2013-01-09 03:50:25 PM

DancingElkCondor: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

Unfortunately you will not get real discussion on the subject because the same people so critical of anyone bringing up the issue are the same ones who get their science from Al Gore and Al Gorezeera


www.toledoblade.com
 
2013-01-09 03:50:35 PM
I don't understand why the Constitution cares if a President's mom used her vulva or had a C-section.

/no man born of woman can kill the Tea Party
 
2013-01-09 03:51:13 PM
One of many things birthers don't get is that presidential qualifications are determined politically, not legally. Congress declares the winner of the electoral vote count (or elects the president themselves if electoral votes don't produce a winner), and Congress begins and tries impeachment cases. No lawsuit about presidential qualifications is likely to go anywhere because judges will defer to the separation of powers. The Chief Justice's role in administering the oath of office is a formality. The President-Elect could recite the words in any setting in front of witnesses and that Constitutional requirement would be satisfied.
 
2013-01-09 03:51:20 PM
Obama should send birthers a copy of this:

www.clusterfake.net
 
2013-01-09 03:53:17 PM
In the words of Obama, "Please . . . proceed."
 
2013-01-09 04:04:43 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Midway through the oath Obama is going to stop, take the Bible from Roberts' hands, tear it asunder to reveal the secret Koran within, then tear off his suit to reveal a dashiki -- cut very tightly in the groinal regions -- before finishing the oath in that African clicking language, then climbing atop the podium and doing an Atomic Koran Drop on Roberts and, as the Kenyan National Anthem plays, looking into the camera and saying "You should have listened to the blogger-patriots!" before breaking into maniacal laughter and taking a Sharpie to the Constitution to cross out "to bear arms" and replace it with "mandatory gay marriage."


"A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and mandatory gay marriage shall not be infringed"?

// don't make no sense, friendo
// I did have to divine your intent, as "to bear arms" was not found - I removed the operative phrase "to KEEP AND bear arms" instead
// was that wrong?
 
2013-01-09 04:10:21 PM

Ed Grubermann: bhcompy:  Rest assured if he won there would have been hubbub.

That's bullshiat and you know it.


Look at the bullshiat that Bush went through from the left about his past(hell, and his present.. his mannerisms, speech patterns, daughters, vacations, etc). You don't think that that wouldn't have continued? You're blind.

Dimensio: DancingElkCondor: Natural Born Citizen is the issue......where one must be born inside the country AND the parents are both US citizens at the time of birth.

I am certain that you will be able to cite a Constitutional provision, federal statute or court ruling that affirms the definition that you have provided. Please do so.


Or you can just read the adequately sourced article on Wikipedia that discusses the matter. The Constitution does not define what a Natural Born Citizen is and the courts have never completely fleshed out the definition. His definition is the most strict definition, and it one that some people in the law and government community have held historically, like here:

If it was intended that anybody who was a citizen by birth should be eligible, it would only have been necessary to say, "no person, except a native-born citizen"; but the framers thought it wise, in view of the probable influx of European immigration, to provide that the president should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance to the United States at the time of his birth. It may be observed in passing that the current phrase "native-born citizen" is well understood; but it is pleonasm and should be discarded; and the correct designation, "native citizen" should be substituted in all constitutional and statutory enactments, in judicial decisions and in legal discussions where accuracy and precise language are essential to intelligent discussion. -Alexander Porter Morse, Albany Law Journal

That doesn't mean that it's the prevailing definition, but it is one that has been held by people of note.
 
2013-01-09 04:10:44 PM

Lord Dimwit: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

It's not that she wasn't old enough, it's that she hadn't lived long enough in the US prior to the birth. You had to live in the US for something like three of the previous five years before the birth and she had been living overseas. Not that it matters, since he was born in Hawaii.


See, this is the part that really confuses me. This lady apparently had the option of giving birth in Hawai'i or Kenya. Admittedly, I don't know much about Kenya, but are you really going to pass up a chance to have your kid in farking Hawai'i? I mean, how cool is that?
 
2013-01-09 04:38:19 PM
I wonder if they think all black people are born outside the US. It would explain a lot.
 
2013-01-09 04:47:27 PM
GoodyearPimp: Well, actually the Senate passed a resolution affirming that McCain met the requirements. I think the fact that they didn't do the same for Obama speaks for itself.

bhcompy: Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.

That Senate resolution was sponsored and introduced by a Senator named Barack Obama, a gracious and classy move on his part. There is no law that says someone born on an overseas military base is a natural born citizen, it's just a general assumption. Obama introduced the resolution to remove any doubt and said that he did it because someone should not be unable to run for President because his parents were serving their country.
 
2013-01-09 04:55:42 PM
Well, I figured with the glut of Constitutional scholars floating around in this thread, I might finally get an answer to this question:

I was born in Britain, to a British mother and American father (serving in the Navy at the time). I was born both a British and American citizen. I moved to this country when I was 2 and have lived here since.

Am I eligible for the Presidency?
 
2013-01-09 04:56:57 PM
The birthers have invented an entirely new category of citizenship, native born. In their green-sky world, a person is only a natural born citizen if both of his parents were citizens, even if he was born in the U.S. By being born in the U.S., Obama gets to be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen.

Another alternate reality they've created is that Obama was a natural born citizen at birth but lost his citizenship by moving to Indonesia. He got it back when he returned to the U.S. but it was then naturalized citizenship, not natural born citizenship. Go ahead and count the number of things wrong with that theory.

Under Kenyan law, Obama had Kenyan citizenship at birth because his dad was a Kenyan citizen (if you want to keep your Kenyan citizenship you have to go there and formally claim it within 2 years of your 21st birthday). The birthers also like to claim Obama's Kenyan citizenship means that Obama can't be a natural born citizen. They don't seem to realize they're claiming that the laws of another country dictate U.S. law and citizenship.
 
2013-01-09 05:02:11 PM
Lord Dimwit: bhcompy: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Technically speaking the high court has never decided if someone born not on US soil qualifies. John McCain was in the same situation, since he was born in the Canal Zone.

What's really interesting is that the State Department has specifically said that birth on a military base is not sufficient for citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Additionally, while parents can convey their citizenship to their children this was not true for parents who gave birth in the Panama Canal Zone at the time of John McCain's birth - his citizenship was retroactively conferred upon him (and everyone else born in the Panama Canal Zone) by an Act of Congress about a year after he was born.

Now, I think personally that McCain was eligible but can you imagine how much louder the Republicans would've screamed had the situation I just described been applied to Obama? I wonder why they didn't question McCain's birth status. I wonder what could be different about the two men. Hmm..I wonder.

It couldn't possibly be that the Right is full of racists, since I have been reassured many times that they are not racists.


You're too kind, me I'm convinced that to most Conservatives, the term "American" only applies to White people.
 
2013-01-09 05:06:11 PM
Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.


So you consider Hawaii to not be U.S. soil?
 
2013-01-09 05:18:59 PM
I actually saw a WND sticker on a car at Costco the other day. It was after the magazine came out with a compilation of 2012 polls. The results suggested that there are a lot of libertarian Costco customers, or at least poll-takers.

Got me to thinking. Is it my imagination or are libertarians skewing paranoid-conservative these days?
 
2013-01-09 05:19:42 PM
dustygrimp: I wonder if they think all black people are born outside the US. It would explain a lot.

It's more along the lines of Black people are not allowed to be American citizens.
 
2013-01-09 05:23:29 PM

Latinwolf: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

So you consider Hawaii to not be U.S. soil?


I remember at one point there was some birther who was trying to say that Hawaii's statehood was invalid and it was still a territory and therefore Obama wasn't a natural born citizen.

What freaks me out is that while the left has its share of loonies that believe in all sorts of things, fully a quarter of Republicans don't believe Obama is a citizen. I don't think a quarter of Democrats believe in any of the stupid things Republicans accuse them of believing.
 
2013-01-09 05:34:32 PM
It must be sad, going through life not realizing that 90% of America is laughing at you.
 
2013-01-09 05:41:52 PM

Jebdiahbob: I was born in Britain, to a British mother and American father (serving in the Navy at the time). I was born both a British and American citizen. I moved to this country when I was 2 and have lived here since.

Am I eligible for the Presidency?


i was born in britain to a british father and an american mother. i, too, was born both a british and american citizen (i have two passports to prove it). i moved to the us when i was 8. am i eligible for the presidency? i believe i am because, like you, the moment i was born, i was an american citizen - i.e. "natural born."
 
2013-01-09 05:49:53 PM

KangTheMad: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

Absolutely correct. McCain wasn't born in America either, nobody complained about that.


Obama was born in Hawaii.
 
2013-01-09 07:30:58 PM

Phins: The birthers have invented an entirely new category of citizenship, native born. In their green-sky world, a person is only a natural born citizen if both of his parents were citizens, even if he was born in the U.S. By being born in the U.S., Obama gets to be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen.


That's not a new category of citizenship, as I indicated earlier in the thread. They're just adopting an old argument as it suits them. Standard MO for any smear campaign
 
2013-01-09 08:04:06 PM
They've blown away all stupidity records...The dumb charts will have to be expanded to keep track of this epic mental void.
 
2013-01-09 08:07:47 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And this year he's swearing him in TWICE. So, no presidential elections til 2020!


Obama will be only the second president since FDR to be sworn in four times. SUCK IT, biatchES!
 
2013-01-09 08:09:31 PM
I can't wait til he's sworn in so we the liberal public can take off our uncomfortable American costumes and put our bomb belts and keffiyehs back on.
 
2013-01-09 08:16:47 PM

Lord Dimwit: Mad_Radhu: leonel: I don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that the mother alone is a US born citizen be enough to quell at least the father not being one? I thought as long as one parent is a US citizen, the kid automatically is at least in my case when my dad registered me at the US embassy in Indonesia.

There was this weird citizenship law at the time that basically stripped citizenship from anyone who was not born on US soil who had one US parent that was not old enough. Since his mother was under that age when he was born, that stupid law, since changed, would have made him a non-citizen despite having a mother that was a full citizen.

It's not that she wasn't old enough, it's that she hadn't lived long enough in the US prior to the birth. You had to live in the US for something like three of the previous five years before the birth and she had been living overseas. Not that it matters, since he was born in Hawaii.Kenya


Birthered that for you
 
2013-01-09 08:25:55 PM

brantgoose: By the by, former CIA agent, Charles McCary wrote a novel about a stolen electin in 1995, years before the 2000 fiasco. In it, a Liberal Supreme Court Justic conspired to elect an extremist President. Substitute "conservative" for "liberal' and you have a roman à clef about what really happened.

Also, the movie Wrong is Right is based on another of his novels, about a conspiracy to impeach a liberal President after tricking him into ordering the assasination of a Middle East leader, and the framing of a Saddam Hussein-like rebel leader. The nuclear suitcase bombs in the movie are placed on the World Trade Center towers. As a result of the resignation of the liberal, a gung ho Texas politician is elected and goes to war with the Middle Eastern country in question, thus ensuring the USA's oil supply in the same way proposed by a the-secret plan created by the Nixon administration, for which McCary worked.

Personally I suspect that both plots were known to McCarry as a CIA agent, and were subsequently carried out in the real world.

I'm not saying that the CIA carried out these plots. But George Bush Sr. was parachuted into the CIA Director's office by Nixon (and was recruted in politics, if not the CIA, by the same man who recruted Nixon into politics, namely the more controversial of the two Dulles brothers. The would have been familiar to him and to others like him in the Republican Party, the Company and possibly elsewhere.

Personally I think the Republican Party has been a hotbed of sedition and unConstitutional conspiracy since before Bush Sr.'s father and grandfather were let off the hook for Trading with the Enemy and before Bush Sr. himself joined the airforce (a necessary but not sufficient step towards joining the Company).

Furthermore, I believe that the George Bush of the CIA who was interviewed by J. Edgar Hoover after the Kennedy assassination and the George Bush of the CIA who provided ships (two of them named Barbara and Houston) to the Bay of Pigs ...


Like John McCain, GHWB served in the Navy, you ignoramus, not the "airforce," which didn't even exist in WWII.
 
2013-01-09 08:49:51 PM

mbillips: Like John McCain, GHWB served in the Navy, you ignoramus, not the "airforce," which didn't even exist in WWII.i>

Sure it did. The Army Air Forces were formed in 1942 as a distinct component of the Army by executive order, much as the Marine Corps is a distinct component of the Navy. In 1947 the USAF was formed from the AAF and removed from the Department of the Army.

 
2013-01-09 09:01:27 PM
Per Wikipedia's US citizenship requirements page:Link
"
Under certain circumstances, children may acquire U.S. citizenship from their parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[6]

If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[8]
"

Obama's mother was born in Kansas, and presuming she was older than 5 when she gave birth to him, that qualifies him fully. He could be born on the dark side of Mars and this would still hold true. This is due to the legal concept 'jus sanguinis' (latin for Right of Blood) and has been in effect for US citizenship for over a century at this point.
 
2013-01-09 09:09:46 PM

SnarfVader: So, let me get this straight. Obama served a term but really wasn't president because he was ineligible. Does that mean that term didn't count? If so, then why would the 22nd amendment apply to him? Obama 2016!!!!


You didn't like that argument before, so no Fartbongo 2016 for you.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:53 PM

Phins: The birthers have invented an entirely new category of citizenship, native born. In their green-sky world, a person is only a natural born citizen if both of his parents were citizens, even if he was born in the U.S. By being born in the U.S., Obama gets to be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen.

Another alternate reality they've created is that Obama was a natural born citizen at birth but lost his citizenship by moving to Indonesia. He got it back when he returned to the U.S. but it was then naturalized citizenship, not natural born citizenship. Go ahead and count the number of things wrong with that theory.

Under Kenyan law, Obama had Kenyan citizenship at birth because his dad was a Kenyan citizen (if you want to keep your Kenyan citizenship you have to go there and formally claim it within 2 years of your 21st birthday). The birthers also like to claim Obama's Kenyan citizenship means that Obama can't be a natural born citizen. They don't seem to realize they're claiming that the laws of another country dictate U.S. law and citizenship.


Not only this, but it seems every one of those "HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE" derpers seem to forget that not only do you have to claim Kenyan citizenship within two years but--interestingly--Kenya does not recognise dual citizenship (in fact, under Kenyan law if you maintain any other citizenship status you're legally considered to have forfeited Kenyan citizenship--retaining US citizenship would be a denationalising act under Kenyan law).

As it is, it's actually surprisingly difficult to get US citizenship revoked, especially if one is both jus solis AND jus sanguinus "natural born" (as Obama would be--born to a US-citizen mother in Hawaii); pretty much you either have to explicitly revoke citizenship or do something else outrageous that the US would consider a denationalising act (not even serving in a foreign military is enough anymore, it pretty much has to be a foreign military officially at war with the US or otherwise considered an enemy power thereof).

(And yes, this sometimes does end in hilarity for folks trying to denationalise themselves to get out of paying US taxes. If the US government determines you're denationalising yourself to avoid income tax, you can STILL be legally obligated to pay your back taxes as a condition of revoking your US citizenship. The US government won't let you denationalise without a damn good reason, both to prevent people from dropping nationality to get out of taxes and (more importantly) to prevent a chance that someone could accidentally render themselves stateless.)
 
2013-01-09 09:26:57 PM
The sheer amount of derp that electing a black guy has brought about makes me terrified to even imagine the stupid that will follow our first female President.

I'm thinking the same people who gave us the Birther movement will invest our first Lady-POTUS with the ability to command black cats with her mind, Air Force One being replaced with a broomstick and vagina dentata so epic and voracious that they mail strap-on prosthetic dildos to any Congressmen and Senators who have even been in the same room with her. Oh, and they will also assume she is a lesbian so promiscuous that only Amazon warriors would even have a prayer of conquering the United States, if not actually a transgendered dude.
 
2013-01-09 09:52:31 PM

xellas84: Per Wikipedia's US citizenship requirements page:Link
"
Under certain circumstances, children may acquire U.S. citizenship from their parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[6]

If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[8]
"

Obama's mother was born in Kansas, and presuming she was older than 5 when she gave birth to him, that qualifies him fully. He could be born on the dark side of Mars and this would still hold true. This is due to the legal concept 'jus sanguinis' (latin for Right of Blood) and has been in effect for US citizenship for over a century at this point.


And thus (as someone pointed out) Barack Obama is technically even more of a "natural born citizen" than John McCain was. :D

(Yes, it's even more legally dicey re McCain's eligibility; he was born in a base hospital in the Panama Canal Zone (a former territory of the US) at a time when the law did not automatically grant citizenship to children of Americans born abroad (and in particular in the Canal Zone); pretty much kids born on naval bases were retroactively granted US citizenship the year after, but legally this could be considered a "mass nationalisation" (similarly to how people of First Nations descent were mass-nationalised in 1924; before then, if you were NDN you were de facto ineligible for US citizenship, particularly if you were living on a rez). The issue frankly hasn't ever come up formally as to whether people affected by "nationalisation by Congress" would be considered "natural born citizens", and it's increasingly unlikely that it will as folks who did get granted citizenship by these acts pretty much are starting to die off.)

(Of course, a similar bit that has NOT as of yet come up--an interesting question would be whether a person from American Samoa is technically eligible for the presidency. (American Samoans are in a presently unique "legal purgatory" similar to the status of residents of "the rez" up until 1924; they are considered US nationals but not US citizens (due to the fact American Samoa is considered an unorganised, unincorporated territory of the US--the only other US possessions in this category are uninhabited islands that are, by and large, former DoD bases that were turned into wildlife refuges). The US requires that a Presidential candidate be a "natural born citizen", which would seem to indicate persons born in American Samoa to Samoan parents are not eligible, but again--this is the closest thing we could really have in the modern era to "whether someone born on US soil is really a US citizen by birth". Interestingly, one of the areas that historically had similar status to American Samoa was the Canal Zone, hence the need for a nationalising act for kids born there. Interestingly, kids born on base in the American Sector in West Berlin (during the Bad Old Days of the Cold War) don't have to worry--they'd have American citizenship if born to American parents abroad, and German citizenship otherwise.)
 
2013-01-09 10:33:41 PM
A warning for an autoplaying article would have been nice. Christ, I think I'm deaf now.
 
2013-01-09 10:41:42 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: The sheer amount of derp that electing a black guy has brought about makes me terrified to even imagine the stupid that will follow our first female President.

I'm thinking the same people who gave us the Birther movement will invest our first Lady-POTUS with the ability to command black cats with her mind, Air Force One being replaced with a broomstick and vagina dentata so epic and voracious that they mail strap-on prosthetic dildos to any Congressmen and Senators who have even been in the same room with her. Oh, and they will also assume she is a lesbian so promiscuous that only Amazon warriors would even have a prayer of conquering the United States, if not actually a transgendered dude.


Depends.
White Female would probably get a better time of it than a Black Male.
 
2013-01-10 12:17:37 AM

KangTheMad: Well, actually the Senate passed a resolution affirming that McCain met the requirements. I think the fact that they didn't do the same for Obama speaks for itself.

that was a waste of money. Well done, Senate. I see you guys were focusing on the important things.


Actually, it was probably one of the least pointless and dickish things the Senate did that year. It's not like McCain had absolutely no chance of winning, after all. Why not do what you can to head off potential derp?

The vote was unanimous, by the way. No debate; nobody even hinted at a "no" vote. Which is funny, since in a "strict constructionist" reading, you could at least make a pretty strong case on technical grounds. But 49 Republicans (quite properly) decided to say, "eh, fark the Founding Fathers in the ear if they'd have a problem with this. There's no good reason McCain should be ineligible on a technicality."

Senators should do that more often. Antonin Scalia isn't a farking spirit vessel for Alexander Hamilton.
 
2013-01-10 04:19:44 AM
If nature abhors a vacuum, why are there so many empty-headed Republicans?

/give it a goddamned rest, people
 
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