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2013-01-10 08:54:51 AM

Abacus9: fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.

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Abacus, You need to favorite this guy. You will quickly learn that he is not trolling. He has a very clear view of the way the world should be, unencumbered with the burden of knowledge or experience.
 
2013-01-10 09:29:45 AM

OgreMagi: Grobbley: fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.

My brother in law had to tolerate some douche in his bar who was annoying just about everyone (but not quite enough to get kicked out).  Late in the evening said douche said, "make me the most bad-ass drink you can."  He got the drip mat contents on the rocks.


Considering in good financial times my friends and I can drop 150$ in a bar (scotch is a hell of a drink), getting us in the door is significantly more profitable than worrying about a bartender giving away one drink.
 
2013-01-10 09:44:30 AM

UberDave: sigdiamond2000: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.

They don't.  I have a friend (more my wife's friend actually) and an in-law I refuse to eat out with because they *always* biatch about something at the restaurant.  I've tried to tell them (and others who act this way) that they need to be polite to the waiter/waitress because 1) you don't really need to act like a douche all the time and 2) they will fark with your food.  The response is always, "they better not mess with my food!"  Stupid.


We need swift, federal legislation restricting access to spit and snot.

Also doing that is felony assault.
 
2013-01-10 10:18:12 AM

Bullseyed: UberDave: sigdiamond2000: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.

They don't.  I have a friend (more my wife's friend actually) and an in-law I refuse to eat out with because they *always* biatch about something at the restaurant.  I've tried to tell them (and others who act this way) that they need to be polite to the waiter/waitress because 1) you don't really need to act like a douche all the time and 2) they will fark with your food.  The response is always, "they better not mess with my food!"  Stupid.

We need swift, federal legislation restricting access to spit and snot.

Also doing that is felony assault.


Background checks for spit and snot permits, very strict ones to ensure no nutjobs get their hands on deadly spit and snot.
 
2013-01-10 11:53:23 AM

Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".


Canadian means "attractive and successful" in server-ese. Any claim I make based on my two years of being a server will be met with claims of racism. I'll say that stereotypes are developed over time for a reason, and that my friendships with many people of various race are *in spite* of my time as a server, not because of it.
 
2013-01-10 12:14:48 PM

fredklein: Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.




No, that would be the employers that make them earn next to nothing.
 
2013-01-10 12:21:10 PM

Lando Lincoln: fredklein: Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.

No, that would be the employers that make them earn next to nothing.


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2013-01-10 12:34:28 PM

SkunkWerks: Lando Lincoln: fredklein: Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.

No, that would be the employers that make them earn next to nothing.

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What does Leftover Salmon have to do with this passing the buck crap?
/sorry
//I close the door on the way out
 
2013-01-10 01:16:08 PM
I do agree it's not always the waiter/waitress. My wife for example has a sigil on her forehead, visible only to customer service personnel in food serving establishments that translates to "I won't ask for much but please do everything your power to fark up my order." She's not a When-Harry-Met-Sally high maintenance woman, but when you ask for crablegs in a seafood establishment (and it was a Red Lobster in this instance), they should be somewhat crisp, warm to the palate and flavorful. She got rubbery, cold crablegs that were apparently boiled in garlic saltwater. In this case they refunded her meal and offered her a free take-home dessert, so I did tip generously. We wanted to move back to Illinois at one point just because the Asian waitress we had at the Red Lobster back home was a farking pack horse and took care of everything. Eating out is always a caveat emptor situation. In almost 95% of all our other dining instances, customer service could give a fark.

In short, she just has bad luck getting what she orders, and she doesn't order weird, complex dishes with all sorts of special considerations. I do also agree that in most cases while you get what you pay for, there are exceptions. You don't like the food? Fark you, pay me and go somewhere else. You want a steak at a Porter's steakhouse the weekend of a big NASCAR race? Fark you, enjoy your 50-minute wait, and only Jeff Gordon gets his steak done to the proper cooking level.

Growing up, my dad was a notoriously shiatty tipper, and he was one of those ornery farks who went out of his way to order something unusual or atypical for his palate that gave him an excuse to biatch and try to either get the meal for free or under tip. I'm sure he ate his share of body hairs and random spermatazoa over the years. The reasons I don't dine out with this tightwad anymore are purely coincidental, mainly because I prefer "clean" food.

My only real beef with dining out is hygiene. I know what restaurant sink dishwater looks like, and I've seen people washing dishes in liquid I wouldn't feed to a death row inmate, then call said flatware "clean". I look for dirty fingernails, crusties on hands and cold sores, mostly, I look at where the wait staff washes their hands, as well as the customer bathrooms where they pinch a loaf on breaks.

More often than not, waiting tables is a thankless job even for the best of them, and it's an easily exploitable pool of victims for assholes and sociopaths, but if you're going to make that your profession, do the best you can with it.
 
2013-01-10 05:19:00 PM

SkunkWerks: Abacus9: No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped.

Um, as someone who has made "more than minimum wage" and has been tipped for services rendered, I can categorically say that employers are very interested in whether or not you're being tipped for assisting customers.

Hint: ideally, they'd generally prefer you turn down the customer.


My first job (about 10 years ago) was at Hardees (AKA Carl's Jr), and at the time they were just getting started on attempting to change their image to one where you get restaurant quality food and experience for fast food prices. I was required not only to stand behind the register and take orders and such, but I had to go around and ask people if they wanted refills or to place any orders for desert and the like, as a typical server would in a restaurant. The worst part was we were required to refuse tips if they were offered, and I was making minimum wage at the time.

/csb?
 
2013-01-11 12:03:33 AM

SkunkWerks: Abacus9: No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped.

Um, as someone who has made "more than minimum wage" and has been tipped for services rendered, I can categorically say that employers are very interested in whether or not you're being tipped for assisting customers.

Hint: ideally, they'd generally prefer you turn down the customer.


I didn't say whether or not they'd be interested. I just said it's none of their business.
 
2013-01-11 12:10:10 AM

fredklein: Abacus9: It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped. That does not give them permission to pay less.

Yes it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
As of July 24, 2009, the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. ... and tipped labor must be paid a minimum of $2.13 per hour, ...

Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.


You keep saying that tipping causes employers to pay less. And I keep saying that paying less is why you should tip. I never said it was a good system, and I'm familiar with what the law is. That said, you've completely missed the point about how wrong it all is, and seem to imply that it is the fault of the employee and the customer. It is 100% the fault of the employer and the government for making this asinine law. Period.
 
2013-01-11 12:13:19 AM

MycroftHolmes: Abacus9: fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.

0/10

Abacus, You need to favorite this guy. You will quickly learn that he is not trolling. He has a very clear view of the way the world should be, unencumbered with the burden of knowledge or experience.


Wow. He's got an impressive set of bootstraps for a non-troll.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:50 AM

Glancing Blow: My wife and I moved from New York to Oregon where there's no sales tax. She decided that our tips should be higher since we didn't have to pay tax anymore. Not wanting to engage her logic cells I said: wow, great idea, I love that about you.


Your wife actually sounds kind of cool.
 
2013-01-11 02:39:45 AM

Sid_the_sadist: And the farking with your food thing....my wife used to wait tables and the worst thing was a steak dropped on the floor, then picked up and served. They used to get the bus-boys to crop dust rude customers regularly though.


That was my streak, Liberty.

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2013-01-11 02:43:46 AM
That was my steak, Liberty.

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FTFM
 
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