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2013-01-09 05:22:27 PM  
Oh, and add me to the list of people calling out the douche handing out Ayn Rand-style Chick tracts.
 
2013-01-09 05:30:00 PM  
Gonna need a bigger boat.
 
2013-01-09 05:36:15 PM  

miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.


Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:38 PM  

Carn: But generally it is also understood that they are paid a shiat wage but if they work hard, their customers will reward that effort.


And I think that's wrong. What should 'generally be understood' is that employees earn an appropriate wage from their employer. Like in every other field. And almost every other country on the globe.
 
2013-01-09 05:40:09 PM  

fredklein: Carn: But generally it is also understood that they are paid a shiat wage but if they work hard, their customers will reward that effort.

And I think that's wrong. What should 'generally be understood' is that employees earn an appropriate wage from their employer. Like in every other field. And almost every other country on the globe.


So, you are denying that tipping exists in America, and that it is a commonly used and understood system? Never mind how you think the world should be, are you saying that tipping is not currently used as a form of compensation?
 
2013-01-09 05:42:30 PM  

Electromax: I don't know why you would expect employees to sprint around for some cheapskate out of obligation to an employer that pays them chicken scratch when someone else is giving them $2 a glass.


Well, if tipping were eliminated, then waiters (for example) wouldn't make "chicken scratch"- they'd make a fair wage. And, if they want to keep the job, then they will "sprint around" if that is what the job requires. ...Just like every other job out there.
 
2013-01-09 05:48:47 PM  

fredklein: Electromax: I don't know why you would expect employees to sprint around for some cheapskate out of obligation to an employer that pays them chicken scratch when someone else is giving them $2 a glass.

Well, if tipping were eliminated, then waiters (for example) wouldn't make "chicken scratch"- they'd make a fair wage. And, if they want to keep the job, then they will "sprint around" if that is what the job requires. ...Just like every other job out there.


I don't fully understand some people's problem with a tip based system. It is not more expensive (if the employer paid a static wage that was competitive, the cost would just be passed to the consumer). Removing it removes a form of very direct and effective feedback.

I get that other systems can also work, but some people seem to think that just because there are alternatives, this system should be scrapped. Never have understood that logic.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:22 PM  

fredklein: Electromax: I don't know why you would expect employees to sprint around for some cheapskate out of obligation to an employer that pays them chicken scratch when someone else is giving them $2 a glass.

Well, if tipping were eliminated, then waiters (for example) wouldn't make "chicken scratch"- they'd make a fair wage. And, if they want to keep the job, then they will "sprint around" if that is what the job requires. ...Just like every other job out there.


Sure, I won't argue that. The problem is that big IF hanging out there. I mostly meant, don't expect people right now to behave according to the rules you'd prefer to have in place instead. I have no issue with what you suggest, but until then tips just get you better service.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:14 PM  

fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets.


If only someone could invent a way to detect such problems. Like keeping track of both income and expenditures in books or something, looking for unwarranted deviations from expectations. They could call it keepbooking or something.

Of course it wouldn't be able to detect errors if error in favor of good tippers was somehow offset by surpluses from watered down drinks given to known douches.

But that would never happen.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:29 PM  

PrivateCaboose: Given how much stereotyping of Americans self-congratulation

 occurs on Fark and, oh, EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD, I don't know why this surprises you.

Surprise, no. Mildly annoy, yes.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:44 PM  
I can't stand people who get all worked up about what places to tip, what amount, 25% if she brings my class of coke within 94 seconds, 33.7% if she laughs at one of my shiat jokes etc etc. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. So boring, just sit down and enjoy your meal you moron.

Whatever service I get I just leave 10% at restaurants and if that's not considered good enough then I honestly couldn't really give a fark. Hotels, pizza delivery guys, taxi drivers, bar staff etc can all get farked, I don't see why I should have to give any of those guys any extra. It's not that I can't afford to leave a bigger tip it's just that I honestly don't care. The whole tipping culture is complete bullshiat when you spend more than 30 seconds thinking about it. My grandad worked in a coal mine and nobody ever tipped him. I've worked shiatty jobs before but because they weren't in a restaurant nobody tipped me.

I know you guys like to think that the cute waitress you just tipped 50% thinks you're really impressive and rich and cool but in reality she's probably thinking "what a farking mark." People like to tip that much to boost their ego ("look at what I can afford to give the poor waitress! Are you impressed?!") You might as well ruffle the waiters hair on your way out. And if a waiter would tamper with somebodies food over a few dollars then they don't deserve a tip in the first place from anybody.
 
2013-01-09 06:03:00 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Never mind how you think the world should be, are you saying that tipping is not currently used as a form of compensation?


Tipping IS "currently used as a form of compensation".

I think it should not be. I think waiters (for example) should be paid a fair wage instead.

But, quite frankly, I DO tip when I go out to eat, or order food to be delivered. I do it because it is expected, not because I agree with it. And because of stuff like this:

JFarker131 [TotalFark] 2013-01-09 10:11:38 AM
This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


... just to pick the first (of many) in this thread. People who think it's okay to tamper with a customers food, simply because the customer doesn't bribe them sufficiently. I mean, if the cashier at Whole Foods posted saying "I just deliberately assaulted a customer because they didn't just hand me 10%.15%.20% of their total", you'd think him nuts.
 
2013-01-09 06:11:12 PM  
I like how so many people are assuming that the "tip" in TFA was left by a guy. Even TFA has no qualms about being sexist.

There's caring about politics, and there's... that: a guy - obviously, a guy - refusing to tip a server at a restaurant because of tax policy.
 
2013-01-09 06:16:50 PM  

fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.


Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.
 
2013-01-09 06:22:24 PM  

Grobbley: fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.


I don't know if it is intentional or not, but I am also much more inclined to be a repeat customer at a bar where I am treated to the occasional courtesy like this. A bar or bartender who recognizes and takes care of regulars is going to do financially better in the long run, well beyond the cost of whatever freebies were given out.
 
2013-01-09 06:30:57 PM  

sure haven't: jbezorg: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

Snopes - Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance." Status: False.

Also, the word would be "Ensure", not "Insure"


Where's Bob the Angry Flower when you need 'em?
 
2013-01-09 06:42:14 PM  

Grobbley: fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.


My brother in law had to tolerate some douche in his bar who was annoying just about everyone (but not quite enough to get kicked out).  Late in the evening said douche said, "make me the most bad-ass drink you can."  He got the drip mat contents on the rocks.
 
2013-01-09 07:12:47 PM  

Grobbley: Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance.


The allowance is there in case they spill something, not to allow them to give the product away. An employer may allow employees to punch in to work up to 5 minutes past their scheduled time, but an employee who ALWAYS punches in 5 minutes late is taking advantage of it. Employers allow a certain number of sick days each year. But an employee who always takes the max number each year is taking advantage of it. A grocery store might calculate that a certain percentage of their product will end up spoiled and thrown away, but an employee who knows they haven't reached that amount yet, and gives food away it taking advantage of it.
 
2013-01-09 07:13:38 PM  

MycroftHolmes: A bar or bartender who recognizes and takes care of regulars is going to do financially better in the long run


... if their customers are all or mostly 'regulars'.
 
2013-01-09 07:14:09 PM  

fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.


It's a better customer from the perspective of the employee. You seem to think that everyone in the equation should be looking out for number one except the employee, who should treat everyone the same regardless of how those people treat them. Life doesn't work like that and never has.

And giving free items to repeat customers is pretty customary in lots and lots of field. For food service it might be less structured, but my credit card gives me free shiat for using their service, so does the local Starbucks, so does my grocery store, hell, even the liquor store I frequent has a rewards program. Restaurant and bar employers factor this into retaining customers just like banks, grocery chains, and any number of other industries do.
 
2013-01-09 07:19:24 PM  

freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.


the one that makes less than minimum wage.
 
2013-01-09 07:24:47 PM  

miscreant: You seem to think that everyone in the equation should be looking out for number one except the employee, who should treat everyone the same regardless of how those people treat them.


The employee should follow the rules the employer has set for them to follow. Generally, that means treating the customers nicely, no matter what the customers are like.

And giving free items to repeat customers is pretty customary in lots and lots of field. For food service it might be less structured, but my credit card gives me free shiat for using their service, so does the local Starbucks, so does my grocery store, hell, even the liquor store I frequent has a rewards program.

Those are all programs that the store has set up, not an employee giving away the owners stuff.
 
2013-01-09 07:27:57 PM  

docbenspock: the one that makes less than minimum wage.


...they only make less then minimum wage BECAUSE you tip. it's a vicious circle. People start to tip, so employers get away with paying their employees less. So, employees are now dependent on the tips, rather than having them as a pleasant extra. So they start demanding more and more.
 
2013-01-09 07:36:06 PM  

fredklein: The employee should follow the rules the employer has set for them to follow. Generally, that means treating the customers nicely, no matter what the customers are like.


They can treat you nicely, and still treat the customers who tip better. Just like the employee at walmart can actually walk you to the aisle to find the product you're looking for, or just send you in the general direction depending on how you choose to treat them. There is plenty of room to follow rules and still treat the people who are nicer to you better.

fredklein: Those are all programs that the store has set up, not an employee giving away the owners stuff.


I know a good number of bar owners, and although it's not necessarily a program they set up, they have no problem with good customers getting free drinks now and then. You might claim that those aren't the good customers since it's the employee getting the tip... but people who tip like crap often do it because they're not at the establishment enough for their reputation as a bad tipper to matter to them, and they are therefore not really customers an owner wants to cultivate.
 
2013-01-09 07:41:11 PM  

PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?


I have no idea what Nando's is. The only thing I order online is pizza, and for that I will generally tip the delivery driver a flat $5, which is usually at least 15% of the cost of the order--although if I had occasion to order a really huge amount of food (like for a party), I would tip more.

If I order takeout (like Chinese), where I order by phone, and then drive to the restaurant and pick it up, I generally don't tip, any more than I tip the person who hands me a Quarter Pounder through the window of a drive-thru.

When I eat in a restaurant, I generally tip 15%, usually rounded up to the next dollar or two. I have tipped up to 25% for exceptional service, and have on a couple of occasions tipped less for really horrible service, but it takes a lot to get me to that point. On one occasion, I had the manager of a restaurant pick up my bill because the kitchen had screwed up several things, and I still tipped the server 15% of the bill, because it wasn't her fault that things got screwed up, and I wasn't going to shaft her.

The guy who left the card pictured in TFA sat at a table, in a restaurant, was waited on, and then left that card instead of a tip, for someone who depends on tips for a significant portion of their income. IMHO, that's a dick move. If you can't afford that tip, you can't afford the meal.
 
2013-01-09 07:49:19 PM  
I have worked in may food establishments, and while I have never seen anyone deliberately taint any food for a lousy customer, I have definitely heard "Where is the rest of this ticket!? SHE TIPS!" or "No hurry, she doesn't tip."

As for why the BOH staff doesn't get tips: While I would honestly say that I consider the kitchen work "harder", I would never begrudge the waitstaff their tips I have usually worked in places where the FOH people ended up making more money than cooks, but I also know that if I had to wait on people, there would be a line of bodies leading back to the kitchen.

(And there is a special place in hell for people who leave things like this as a tip. Especially those tracts that look like money but unfold to say that "God's love is no joke!" Neither is my fiery rage.)
 
2013-01-09 07:51:26 PM  

xanadian: Ah, a tea-tard's calling card.


I tip 20-25%, sometimes higher. Duke University completed a study 2 years ago that showed Republicans and Libertarians donate more per capita to charities and civil services tips than Liberals. The belief they found is that Liberals demand it of others through government, so they can wash their own hands of actually showing an ounce of humility to someone else.

So how about you GFY.
 
2013-01-09 08:07:54 PM  
farking servers. I'll give you a tip. The enormous mushroom shaped tip of my penis.
 
2013-01-09 08:49:09 PM  

PrivateCaboose: mcreadyblue: PrivateCaboose: mcreadyblue: Radioactive Ass: California doesn't have a separate wage for food servers like most of the other states do ($8.00 an hour). As such the tips really are a gratuity for services rendered and shouldn't be used as a guilt tool to help boost the servers wage up to minimum wage like in most of the other states. The 15-20% rule shouldn't necessarily apply here the same way it does in say New York ($5.00 an hour) or Virginia ($2.13 an hour). If you're not tipping 15-20% of your bill in those states then you should feel bad because you're a bad person, In CA, NV, OR, or WA (all at or above minimum wage)... not so much.

I do tip but for me it really is a matter of service versus reasonable expectations as opposed to feeling like I'm being served by someone on slave wages and feeling guilty if I didn't leave at least 15% knowing that the IRS and the state tax board will still assume that I did and will dock their pay accordingly. I know plenty of waiters and waitresses out here that under report (by far) their tips and really don't pay their "Fair share" of taxes so I can kind of see where the customer is coming from.

That brings the question....why are the Chef's not tipped along with the waitstaff?

Because they aren't making waitserver minimum wage.  They make much more an hour.

Really? I thought Applebee's starts Chef's off at $12/hr?

My waitressing rate was $2.13 an hour.


When I waited tables I never made less than $20/hr, mostly tax free.

/cooking is sweaty work and never pays well
 
2013-01-09 08:56:24 PM  

Fade2black: civil services tips


When you give extra money to a civil servant for a job well done it is typically known as a bribe, not a tip.
 
2013-01-09 08:57:14 PM  

The Muthaship: freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.

I think most states have wage laws that heavily favor the Wendy's worker.


Pizza delivery guys get paid minimum+cut for each delivery and everyone tips them.

I think it's more a social thing, kinda upper class vs. lower class.

Fast food workers are not tipable unless they work for an upscale coffee shop like Starbucks. Dunkin' Donuts somehow straddles the ledge, so you only tip smaller amounts there. McDonalds, you never tip, regardless of how good the McCafe is that day.
 
2013-01-09 09:33:56 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The tantrum-throwing from the bootstrappy set over having to pay a couple dollars more in taxes just astounds me. I have a Facebook friend who is a complete hard-core right-winger--the kind who was posting how she couldn't stop crying after the election, and how scared she was about still having a job. She posted the other day, after the end of the fiscal cliff nonsense, about the horrible hit she'd taken on her paycheck, and how she was so sad because her family would need to find ways to cut back and one of them was to stop riding lessons for her daughter. What kind of insane jerk-wad gets so mad about this shiat that they take it out on their kid, and take away their horsey time, just so they can pretend they're all oppressed by crushing taxes?

This story is just more of that same nonsense. How bad are you managing your finances that a 2% change in Social Security and a minimal change in the high marginal tax brackets suddenly means you can't afford to tip your waiter? Wait, don't answer, it's a trick question. You're just being a dickhole to try to make a statement.


Did you ask her if she knew that the social security tax was going to expire regardless of whom won the election? And that the Democrats proposed extending it and the Republicans said no?
 
2013-01-09 09:50:23 PM  

miscreant: Just like the employee at walmart can actually walk you to the aisle to find the product you're looking for, or just send you in the general direction


Many/most stores (not sure about Walmart) have a 'show them to the item, don't just point them in the direction' rule. So, NO, they can't.

people who tip like crap often do it because they're not at the establishment enough for their reputation as a bad tipper to matter to them, and they are therefore not really customers an owner wants to cultivate.

Like I already said:

fredklein 2013-01-09 07:13:38 PM

MycroftHolmes: A bar or bartender who recognizes and takes care of regulars is going to do financially better in the long run

... if their customers are all or mostly 'regulars'.


If a bar doesn't want to treat newcomers well, then they won't become regulars.
 
2013-01-09 09:55:53 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: Radioactive Ass: Why on earth should anyone ever pay for bad service?

Know how I know you've never worked in a restaurant?

I think tipping is weird. I don't know how eating out ever evolved into a server making their almost exclusively from tips but that's the way it is. You pay full price for virtually every other good or service regardless of the "service". When you get an oil change do you refuse to pay if it takes too long?
The fact is, that everyone has a crummy day at work sometimes. You should still tip 10% even if the service is bad because that's all they make, and that's just what you do. Even if you HATE your server. If they were the worst server ever I still don't think it justifies making them work for you for free.

You and I still get paid if we have a bad day at work, and I assure you, EVERYONE has bad days at work. this doesn't even take into account the things that people don't even consider that are completely out of a server's control like your boss saying "Amanda called in sick, so instead of having a 4 table section, tonight you have 8 tables." "8 tables?! I'll be way too insanely busy." "Well, too bad. Figure it out. Let me know if you want me to comp a dessert or something."

Furthemore, if a server is actually offering poor service on a consistent basis and it's not just a "bad day" then it catches up with them REALLY fast and they won't be serving for long, I assure you.


I have eyes and if the server is busy running between a lot of tables and can't get to me right away then it's not bad service, it's bad management, and I can take that into account (just like bad food is not usually the fault of the server). If they are off smoking or spending all of their time in the kitchen or whatever else that isn't tending to their customers then it is bad service. The job description doesn't allow for "I'm having a bad day but tip me anyway". Besides all of that, where I live the servers get actual wages (by law) and not the slave wages that other states allow. The tip isn't guilted into me (like what you're trying to do here). If I lived in a different state then you might have a point.

If the server is offering poor service on a regular basis, what is a better way to let them know than with consistently bad tips? Maybe they'll get the message. Leaving a 10% tip isn't going to get the message across other than I might be a cheapskate. And I do tip when I go out and usually pretty well but I won't reward a bad job just because someone tries to guilt me into it.

Bad day? Bad pay. It really is that simple. There are plenty of other jobs that do just that yet nobody is saying anything about them.
 
2013-01-09 10:21:34 PM  

fredklein: Grobbley: Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance.

The allowance is there in case they spill something, not to allow them to give the product away. An employer may allow employees to punch in to work up to 5 minutes past their scheduled time, but an employee who ALWAYS punches in 5 minutes late is taking advantage of it. Employers allow a certain number of sick days each year. But an employee who always takes the max number each year is taking advantage of it. A grocery store might calculate that a certain percentage of their product will end up spoiled and thrown away, but an employee who knows they haven't reached that amount yet, and gives food away it taking advantage of it.


You're wrong. At the very least, in the bars I have frequented, it was understood between employees and employer that the way you describe it was not how it works. It's more like if a person working in a restaurant is allowed a shift meal every day, but instead of eating it they give it away. Perhaps my previous description was insufficient or misleading. I've had bartenders "spill" drinks for me in front of the owners of the bar. The owners seem to support the action, probably because it builds a good relationship with clients and makes them more likely to return.

/I'm guessing they call it "spilling" the drink because in some places (like here in Utah) it isn't legal to give away a free drink, and calling it a "free drink" allowance would probably draw unwanted attention
 
2013-01-09 10:24:19 PM  

Grobbley: fredklein: Grobbley: Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance.

The allowance is there in case they spill something, not to allow them to give the product away. An employer may allow employees to punch in to work up to 5 minutes past their scheduled time, but an employee who ALWAYS punches in 5 minutes late is taking advantage of it. Employers allow a certain number of sick days each year. But an employee who always takes the max number each year is taking advantage of it. A grocery store might calculate that a certain percentage of their product will end up spoiled and thrown away, but an employee who knows they haven't reached that amount yet, and gives food away it taking advantage of it.

You're wrong. At the very least, in the bars I have frequented, it was understood between employees and employer that the way you describe it was not how it works. It's more like if a person working in a restaurant is allowed a shift meal every day, but instead of eating it they give it away. Perhaps my previous description was insufficient or misleading. I've had bartenders "spill" drinks for me in front of the owners of the bar. The owners seem to support the action, probably because it builds a good relationship with clients and makes them more likely to return.

/I'm guessing they call it "spilling" the drink because in some places (like here in Utah) it isn't legal to give away a free drink, and calling it a "free drink" allowance would probably draw unwanted attention


Oh, and the spill tab is ALSO for legitimately spilled drinks. It serves a dual purpose.
 
2013-01-09 10:45:40 PM  

Grobbley: It's more like if a person working in a restaurant is allowed a shift meal every day, but instead of eating it they give it away.


I wouldn't be surprised if the restaurant rules prohibited that. I know that stores that offer employee discounts usually limit that discount to personal purchases (possibly family, too). Using it for strangers is forbidden.
 
2013-01-09 11:04:02 PM  

Magorn: Shirley Ujest: He won't tip his server because he cannot afford it, but can afford to go out to eat.


I give this guy a World Class Troll Award.

and if his taxes had REALLY gone up he;s someone who make more than $400K a year.  Who the Fark ARE these people that work themselves into towering rages over things that haven;t actually happened to them?

He's basically saying his pissed off about the entire CONCEPT of fairly distributing the tax burden


He references prop 30 which was the proposition whereby California's decided to tax the wealth, as opposed to prop 24 (I think that was the number) which would have been a "fair" distribution of the tax burden across all wage earners.

That being said, he is a dick.
 
2013-01-10 01:20:04 AM  

OgreMagi: Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.


When I made good money I was a great tipper near the holidays too.  I'd rather overtip then undertip, the wait staff I know work hard and have to put up with some idiots so I do what I can when I can.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:45 AM  
I'll throw in my 2 cents here and say I always try to be a decent, if not better than average, tipper... Partly to make up for the dickholes who don't tip, and partly because I've worked in the food service industry, and know what it's like to be in their shoes...

Now, that being said, I have left a $.02 tip, mainly as a statement to the waitress that, with a nearly empty restaurant, brought my food to me cold, had to be asked twice for a refill, and a few other things... I also made a point to never return to that place, and mainly because if you have a manager come by and ask how things are going and you tell him that you've seen him more than your waitress, and nothing changes, it's not a place I'd like to supply with return business...

And as for the jackwagon from TFA... If I received this as a "tip", I'd make sure to note what vehicle he drove, just in case... I have a schrader valve tool (not sure of the true spelling, but for tires) and it's a non damaging, but PITA, way of making a point that he's an ass...
 
2013-01-10 06:50:58 AM  

fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.


0/10
 
2013-01-10 06:51:42 AM  

Fade2black: xanadian: Ah, a tea-tard's calling card.

I tip 20-25%, sometimes higher. Duke University completed a study 2 years ago that showed Republicans and Libertarians donate more per capita to charities and civil services tips than Liberals. The belief they found is that Liberals demand it of others through government, so they can wash their own hands of actually showing an ounce of humility to someone else.

So how about you GFY.


You're right. Clearly this insipid card was written by a Democrat.
 
2013-01-10 06:56:11 AM  

brapbrapbrap: I can't stand people who get all worked up about what places to tip, what amount, 25% if she brings my class of coke within 94 seconds, 33.7% if she laughs at one of my shiat jokes etc etc. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. So boring, just sit down and enjoy your meal you moron.

Whatever service I get I just leave 10% at restaurants and if that's not considered good enough then I honestly couldn't really give a fark. Hotels, pizza delivery guys, taxi drivers, bar staff etc can all get farked, I don't see why I should have to give any of those guys any extra. It's not that I can't afford to leave a bigger tip it's just that I honestly don't care. The whole tipping culture is complete bullshiat when you spend more than 30 seconds thinking about it. My grandad worked in a coal mine and nobody ever tipped him. I've worked shiatty jobs before but because they weren't in a restaurant nobody tipped me.

I know you guys like to think that the cute waitress you just tipped 50% thinks you're really impressive and rich and cool but in reality she's probably thinking "what a farking mark." People like to tip that much to boost their ego ("look at what I can afford to give the poor waitress! Are you impressed?!") You might as well ruffle the waiters hair on your way out. And if a waiter would tamper with somebodies food over a few dollars then they don't deserve a tip in the first place from anybody.


You tip them because they make far less than minimum wage. This doesn't apply to you or your grandfather.
 
2013-01-10 06:58:25 AM  

fredklein: MycroftHolmes: Never mind how you think the world should be, are you saying that tipping is not currently used as a form of compensation?

Tipping IS "currently used as a form of compensation".

I think it should not be. I think waiters (for example) should be paid a fair wage instead.

But, quite frankly, I DO tip when I go out to eat, or order food to be delivered. I do it because it is expected, not because I agree with it. And because of stuff like this:

JFarker131 [TotalFark] 2013-01-09 10:11:38 AM
This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.

... just to pick the first (of many) in this thread. People who think it's okay to tamper with a customers food, simply because the customer doesn't bribe them sufficiently. I mean, if the cashier at Whole Foods posted saying "I just deliberately assaulted a customer because they didn't just hand me 10%.15%.20% of their total", you'd think him nuts.


It's not a bribe, they make less than minimum wage. If you should be angry with anyone, it should be the people that pay them this incredibly small amound to do a stressful job and expect the customer to subsidize their employees' pay.
 
2013-01-10 07:01:01 AM  

HempHead: Pizza delivery guys get paid minimum+cut for each delivery and everyone tips them.


Bullshiat. I spent 7 years delivering pizza in a college town. I was paid under minimum wage both places I worked. One place compensated us $0.50 per delivery--when gas was over $4 per gallon. The other place compensated us dick and gofarkyourself. There are places in town that comp you based on percentage modified by number of deliveries taken, but they have their own problems.

I was tipped an average of $1.50 per delivery. Your $4 and $5 tips were quickly erased by the stiffers and the $1 assholes. I worked the late night shifts, because that's where the money was. I could regularly do 50-75 deliveries if we were busy, and I made pretty good money. But it's a slightly skilled job, so take that into account. Not any moron can successfully deliver pizza if they have 4 orders in the car, and 5 more waiting at the store without delivering cold food. Nor can every jackass drive well enough to not get in accidents or get their cars stuck in driveways. Add in the "treated like a servant" factor, and I need more money than a job where I'm treated like a human. So, still pretty good money. Now modify that by one major factor: you're destroying your car. There are only two ways to make money delivering. If you have the money and credit to buy a brand new Hyundai for $10k, you can figure on throwing it away when it's paid off, but no repair bills, and not too much maintenance other than tires every 9 months, triple the normal bulbs and wiper blades, and an oil change a month. Or, you can have 2 POS cars, and spend 8-12 hours a month under the hood, with significant maintenance costs. Add in the fact that you have to buy another $500 car about every 18 months, then put another $200 into it to make it road-worthy. Anything else, and you're really losing money. You have major repair bills on a car you're still paying off, and you ain't making shiat.
 
2013-01-10 07:11:40 AM  

fredklein: docbenspock: the one that makes less than minimum wage.

...they only make less then minimum wage BECAUSE you tip. it's a vicious circle. People start to tip, so employers get away with paying their employees less. So, employees are now dependent on the tips, rather than having them as a pleasant extra. So they start demanding more and more.


No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped. That does not give them permission to pay less. That is not how it works.
 
2013-01-10 07:18:27 AM  

Abacus9: No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped.


Um, as someone who has made "more than minimum wage" and has been tipped for services rendered, I can categorically say that employers are very interested in whether or not you're being tipped for assisting customers.

Hint: ideally, they'd generally prefer you turn down the customer.
 
2013-01-10 08:27:10 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me.


... but one day I hope to stop being a waiter with a whining sense of entitlement and get a real job.
 
2013-01-10 08:27:32 AM  

Abacus9: It's not a bribe, they make less than minimum wage. If you should be angry with anyone, it should be the people that pay them this incredibly small amound to do a stressful job and expect the customer to subsidize their employees' pay.


And, as I pointed out, they make less then min wage BECAUSE you tip them. If everyone stopped tipping today, tomorrow, waiters (for example) would make at least min wage, probably a lot more.
 
2013-01-10 08:32:50 AM  

Abacus9: It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped. That does not give them permission to pay less.


Yes it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
As of July 24, 2009, the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. ... and tipped labor must be paid a minimum of $2.13 per hour, ...

Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.
 
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