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2013-01-09 09:25:13 AM
This ones better.

img198.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-09 09:28:32 AM
People who do this are destined to be gang-raped by karma.  I hope violently.
 
2013-01-09 09:30:56 AM
www.nashvillescene.com
approves
 
2013-01-09 09:33:09 AM
I hope that person gets cancer of the anus.
 
2013-01-09 09:34:52 AM
If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes
 
2013-01-09 09:45:53 AM

kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes



I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.
 
2013-01-09 09:56:50 AM

sigdiamond2000: I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.


Some people pay extra for that.
 
2013-01-09 10:11:38 AM

kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.
 
2013-01-09 10:17:54 AM
I hope someone gets his picture out to every restaurant in his city.
 
2013-01-09 11:00:00 AM
How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):

mankindunplugged.com

How to be a partisan miserly pathetic piece of shiat (regardless of where you're eating):

img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-01-09 11:00:50 AM
I never trust these stories.
 
2013-01-09 11:02:17 AM

sigdiamond2000: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.


They don't.  I have a friend (more my wife's friend actually) and an in-law I refuse to eat out with because they *always* biatch about something at the restaurant.  I've tried to tell them (and others who act this way) that they need to be polite to the waiter/waitress because 1) you don't really need to act like a douche all the time and 2) they will fark with your food.  The response is always, "they better not mess with my food!"  Stupid.
 
2013-01-09 11:03:40 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 11:07:51 AM

whistleridge: How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):


I can't math either dude, I can't math either....
 
2013-01-09 11:28:39 AM
That's the type of thing I'd do as a 13-year old skateboard-toting stoner who wanted a milkshake from Friendly's but only had the exact change in his pocket, so hey, why not "fight the system" while you're at it and have a laugh?

That anyone over the age of 13 and not stoned off their ass would do this intentionally is mind boggling.

/also, I've never done anything like that
//worst case was ordering only waters and getting a bill for $0.00
///we still left a tip
 
2013-01-09 11:28:57 AM
If you're that worried, you cheap piece of shiat, you shouldn't be spending money at a restaurant.
 
2013-01-09 11:32:03 AM
i212.photobucket.com

Does not approve.
 
2013-01-09 11:34:37 AM

JFarker131: This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


Well, that sounds felonious.  But at least you can sleep better at night knowing you are the better person.
 
2013-01-09 11:38:01 AM
As an aside...Mr. Douchebag's note claimed that he had to cut back on "discretionary spending", which to most normal people would include eating out; particularly at a sit-down restaurant that will involve tipping. If you're too broke to leave a tip, you're too broke to be at the restaurant in the first place.
 
2013-01-09 11:41:59 AM

kid_icarus: Mr. Douchebag's note claimed that he had to cut back on "discretionary spending", which to most normal people would include eating out


I was thinking the same thing.  The tip isn't the "discretionary" part, the eating at a restaurant is.
 
2013-01-09 11:42:47 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, that sounds felonious.


It sounds like made-up bullsh*t.
 
2013-01-09 11:43:07 AM
More likely, this guy is financially able to tip...he just uses this as a way to express his importent rage over Obama's reelection.

Which also makes him an asshole.
 
2013-01-09 11:44:59 AM

Trivia Jockey: More likely, this guy is financially able to tip...he just uses this as a way to express his importent rage over Obama's reelection.

Which also makes him an asshole.


I'd love some context as to how much the bill was for.  We talking slice of pie and a cup of coffee or a 24oz Porterhouse?
 
2013-01-09 11:45:13 AM

Trivia Jockey: More likely, this guy is financially able to tip...he just uses this as a way to express his importent rage over Obama's reelection.

Which also makes him an asshole.


He'd be a complete dick if not for the lack of tip.
 
2013-01-09 11:49:54 AM

tricycleracer: If you're that worried, you cheap piece of shiat, you shouldn't be spending money at a restaurant.


They're not going to change their lifestyle. They're only going to change yours.
 
2013-01-09 11:50:31 AM

kid_icarus: If you're too broke to leave a tip, you're too broke to be at the restaurant in the first place.

 
2013-01-09 11:51:56 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Trivia Jockey: More likely, this guy is financially able to tip...he just uses this as a way to express his importent rage over Obama's reelection.

Which also makes him an asshole.

He'd be a complete dick if not for the lack of tip.


I normally abhor clever wordplay, but I'm not made of stone.

I'm going to let this one slide.
 
2013-01-09 11:55:59 AM
"I can't engage in any real political debate so I leave petty smarmy political messages, and the added benefit is that I don't have to directly confront anyone and back up my positions."

"Oh, that's nice for you. How about extra snot in that soup?"
 
2013-01-09 11:56:56 AM

Lando Lincoln: tricycleracer: If you're that worried, you cheap piece of shiat, you shouldn't be spending money at a restaurant.

They're not going to change their lifestyle. They're only going to change yours.


After all, since that waiter/ess is JUST a waiter/ess they are obviously a libby-lib expecting handouts and he's just doing his God-given right at punishing them.
 
2013-01-09 11:58:59 AM
Not being able to tip at a resturant is like buying a Ferrari but not getting ceramic brakes.
 
2013-01-09 12:00:42 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Lando Lincoln: tricycleracer: If you're that worried, you cheap piece of shiat, you shouldn't be spending money at a restaurant.

They're not going to change their lifestyle. They're only going to change yours.

After all, since that waiter/ess is JUST a waiter/ess they are obviously a libby-lib expecting handouts and he's just doing his God-given right at punishing them.


I know right, it's like hello! Waitresses aren't even job creators...

Makers and Takers man, makers and takers.
 
2013-01-09 12:01:08 PM
My grandfather used to ask waitresses "would you like a dollar or a ring for your tip" and the waitress would say "a ring".  He would make an oragami ring out of a dollar and leave it on the table.

This is apparently HILARIOUS to a farmer.  To a waitress, not so much.
 
2013-01-09 12:16:11 PM
Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."
 
2013-01-09 12:21:18 PM
TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.
 
2013-01-09 12:24:06 PM

sigdiamond2000: Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, that sounds felonious.

It sounds like made-up bullsh*t.


Ya... I agree.  This is fake.
 
2013-01-09 12:24:55 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


Now, I simply MUST work 'beshat' into a dialog sometime today. Thanks for that.
 
2013-01-09 12:24:58 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


www.newparadiselaboratories.org
 
2013-01-09 12:25:07 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


I love you
 
2013-01-09 12:25:45 PM

Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.


0/10
 
2013-01-09 12:28:17 PM

Trivia Jockey: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

0/10


Give it few hours.
 
2013-01-09 12:34:51 PM

Rapmaster2000: Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-09 12:35:55 PM
carolynthomas.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-09 01:08:15 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


I think I just fell in love with you.
 
2013-01-09 01:17:04 PM

kid_icarus: As an aside...Mr. Douchebag's note claimed that he had to cut back on "discretionary spending", which to most normal people would include eating out; particularly at a sit-down restaurant that will involve tipping. If you're too broke to leave a tip, you're too broke to be at the restaurant in the first place.


Its easier to be a cock to those below you (or at least, those you perceive as "below you") than it is to actually try and do some work on your own, like campaigning and getting people organized to change laws that you don't like.  Some people also just want to see the world burn, so there is that...
 
2013-01-09 01:22:09 PM
Mr. Coffee Nerves:  lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat.

Personal_Lexicon++
 
2013-01-09 01:26:36 PM
You know, stupid dumbshiats tipping guy probably used his credit card to pay for his meal. I would ID theft the bejesus out of him.
 
2013-01-09 01:38:20 PM

Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.


Here is the thing.  Acceptable tips range from 15%-20% here in the US.  20% is really the new norm.  If you step back and think about it, simply adding 20% to all prices is not how it is going to work.  (I have no links for this, but if you search you can find it, economists have studies this)...in reality, your meal would actually be somewhere closer to 40% higher because of payroll taxes, social security, all kinds of stuff.

Here is the other thing.  Yes, in very simple restaurants, it is a easy as bringing a soda and food to a table.  But that is the exception to the rule.

Generally, guests are EXTREMELY demanding.  Let me ask you something - has your waiter ever come back to your table, and ask how everything is and if he can get you something and you say "everything is great, I am all set..."  Then not even 30 seconds later, you ask for an additional side of ranch?  The waiter gets your ranch and then you ask for a side of ketchup...that in the industry is what is known as "running you around" (you being the waiter).  Common courtesy would dictate that you would have asked for your ranch and ketchup the very first time.  Now, why am I going through this?  Because as a waiter, you develop and adapt to your tables as best as you can, you have a rhythm that you keep, and when someone piece meals their requests it gets VERY frustrating and it actually effects the service of other tables.  Ever been sitting there wondering why your Coke is taking so damn long to get to your table?  It is likely because of another guest/table, not a bad waiter.

It takes a pretty well honed set of skills to deal with the general public, especially around food and keep a smile.

Spitting, peeing, cumming, etc into peoples food does happen, but it is VERY rare.  I would argue that it is a fallacy perpetuated by Hollywood and folklore more than anything else...seasoned professionals do not do that, especially in nicer restaurants.  What will likely happen if you give a bad tip for no reason other than you disagreeing with the "American Style Tipping System" is that you are going to get mediocre and likely rushed service (I want to turn your shiatty tipping ass out of here ASAP so I can make some real money).  It is simply not worth my time as a waiter to invest being nice, staying on top of your meal progress, refilling your water/drinks, etc. because no matter how great I perform, I know it is for nothing.  If you are regularly stiffing the staff at the places you frequent, it is likely you are well known as a bad tipper, and the waiter's service to your table reflects that.
 
2013-01-09 01:40:31 PM
Ah, a tea-tard's calling card.
 
2013-01-09 01:42:32 PM

whistleridge: How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):

mankindunplugged.com


"I CAN'T MATH"

lulz
 
2013-01-09 01:44:11 PM

Endive Wombat: If you are regularly stiffing the staff at the places you frequent, it is likely you are well known as a bad tipper, and the waiter's service to your table reflects that.


Protip: Do NOT stiff your waiter/waitress if you are out with your boss/potential boss on a business/interview lunch. You will pay for it in the end.

Also, do NOT stiff your waiter/waitress if you're out on a date. NO SUCKY SUCKY FOR YOU
 
2013-01-09 02:12:52 PM

tricycleracer: If you're that worried, you cheap piece of shiat, you shouldn't be spending money at a restaurant.


And we're done here.

CSB:

I was at the Heart Attack Grill in Vegas about six months ago.  The receipt listed the sales tax as "Obama's Cut".

/Kind of amusing.
//But beyond false.
 
2013-01-09 02:15:12 PM

xanadian: Protip: Do NOT stiff your waiter/waitress if you are out with your boss/potential boss on a business/interview lunch.


If you're dining with your boss or potential boss and he or she isn't paying, then you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-01-09 02:16:23 PM
TFD sucks when your work blocks pictures.
 
2013-01-09 02:16:23 PM
img707.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-09 02:17:02 PM
Oops...sorry.  Fark sucks when pictures are blocked too.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:37 PM
Sounds like someone who's never worked a minimum wage job in his life.
 
2013-01-09 02:19:04 PM
Republicans are disgusting, greedy people.

I'm nearly willing to bet he didn't actually experience a tax increase.
 
2013-01-09 02:19:58 PM
Best comment after the article:

I had to euthanize my wife because of the increased costs of Obamacare. I own a business that would likely have seen a huge increase in insurance costs. These costs would have had to be passed on to the customer. What customer is going to pay 3 cents more for a product? Someone that values the health and well being of a fellow citizen? Yeah right. So I put my wife down. With the savings from that, I will likely be able to keep prices down. If not, I might sell my Porsche.
 
2013-01-09 02:20:27 PM
And it's been awhile Since I could hold my head up high
 
2013-01-09 02:20:27 PM
If you can't afford to tip then don't go out to eat - how hard a conclusion is that to come to :/
 
2013-01-09 02:20:36 PM
Canadians don't tip well at all.
 
2013-01-09 02:21:05 PM

Endive Wombat: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

Here is the thing.  Acceptable tips range from 15%-20% here in the US.  20% is really the new norm.  If you step back and think about it, simply adding 20% to all prices is not how it is going to work.  (I have no links for this, but if you search you can find it, economists have studies this)...in reality, your meal would actually be somewhere closer to 40% higher because of payroll taxes, social security, all kinds of stuff.

Here is the other thing.  Yes, in very simple restaurants, it is a easy as bringing a soda and food to a table.  But that is the exception to the rule.

Generally, guests are EXTREMELY demanding.  Let me ask you something - has your waiter ever come back to your table, and ask how everything is and if he can get you something and you say "everything is great, I am all set..."  Then not even 30 seconds later, you ask for an additional side of ranch?  The waiter gets your ranch and then you ask for a side of ketchup...that in the industry is what is known as "running you around" (you being the waiter).  Common courtesy would dictate that you would have asked for your ranch and ketchup the very first time.  Now, why am I going through this?  Because as a waiter, you develop and adapt to your tables as best as you can, you have a rhythm that you keep, and when someone piece meals their requests it gets VERY frustrating and it actually effects the service of other tables.  Ever been sitting there wondering why your Coke is taking so damn long to get to your table?  It is likely because of another guest/table, not a bad waiter ...


Most of the time, yes.  Some of the time, the waiter/waitress is just a lazy fark up.  I waited tables for a couple of years - I have a lot of respect for people who wait on me in restaurants.  But if the restaurant is empty and you're not capable of refilling my soda because you're too busy texting someone on your phone (and I have gone entire meals without being able to get a refill), you're not going to get a good tip.  If you are slammed with a ton of customers and you are pleasant, even if you are somewhat harried, you will get a very good tip.
 
2013-01-09 02:21:31 PM
He won't tip his server because he cannot afford it, but can afford to go out to eat.


I give this guy a World Class Troll Award.
 
2013-01-09 02:23:00 PM
Order 15-25% less food, you fat f*ck......
 
2013-01-09 02:23:28 PM

Shirley Ujest: He won't tip his server because he cannot afford it, but can afford to go out to eat.


I give this guy a World Class Troll Award.


So much this.  I am cutting back on spending.  This means going out to eat less, or not at all.  If/when I do go out to eat, I don't stiff on the tip, just like I don't stiff on the sales tax.  Funny how that works.
 
2013-01-09 02:24:10 PM
Why is it those "disgruntled food worker does something disgusting to obnoxious customer's food" stories always end with some variation of "And the customer said it was the best he'd ever eaten"?
 
2013-01-09 02:24:17 PM
It's not unheard of for the bun of a hamburger to make contact with the anus.
 
2013-01-09 02:24:38 PM
Man I really can't understand being so tight fisted you don't tip.

I mean, fark, I'm a physics grad student. If I were paid hourly, it'd probably be *below minimum wage*, but I still try to tip 20-30% (more often 30%, even if I get chastised a bit), if only to help make up for the assholes who DON'T tip.

Because, quite frankly, I know I could not work in the service sector without murdering someone after about, oh, a month. They have to deal with people who blame them personally when the kitchen is out of something. They have to deal with people who enjoy simply belittling them because they're a waiter. They deal with assholes like those in the aforementioned article.

FARK YES I am going to tip them. $15 pizza order? Here's $5 extra.

/Don't eat out or eat delivery often these days, mind. It also helps that a local pizza place gives you %30 off if you order via the web.
 
2013-01-09 02:24:46 PM

kid_icarus: As an aside...Mr. Douchebag's note claimed that he had to cut back on "discretionary spending", which to most normal people would include eating out; particularly at a sit-down restaurant that will involve tipping. If you're too broke to leave a tip, you're too broke to be at the restaurant in the first place.


Or to print up a set of cards explaining why you can't afford to tip.

If this is real, it's one of the biggest dick moves ever.

Reminds me of the SNL parody commercial for the Jensen Mint, advertising phony coins for you to hand to homeless people.
 
2013-01-09 02:24:55 PM
It's ok everyone, he's a regular in my restaurant. I personally shiat in his Chef's 'Special' Recommendation. Every time.
 
2013-01-09 02:25:15 PM
I'm sure people making over $400K can't afford to leave a $5 tip for a meal...what a troll, probably another right-wing retard
 
2013-01-09 02:25:21 PM
I have to cut back on discretionary spending and gratuities. Well, mostly the gratuities part. Only the gratuities part.
 
2013-01-09 02:25:23 PM
Douche move, no doubt, but I still laughed....that took some time, thought and chutzpah, so I'll give him a giggle....

/I tip 15%-18% and that's not going to change anytime soon ever....don't like it? Fark you....
 
2013-01-09 02:25:43 PM
Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.
 
2013-01-09 02:25:54 PM

Raharu: This ones better.


Ok, mean. Just mean.
 
2013-01-09 02:26:02 PM
If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.
 
2013-01-09 02:26:11 PM

Endive Wombat: Here is the thing. Acceptable tips range from 15%-20% here in the US. 20% is really the new norm. If you step back and think about it, simply adding 20% to all prices is not how it is going to work. (I have no links for this, but if you search you can find it, economists have studies this)...in reality, your meal would actually be somewhere closer to 40% higher because of payroll taxes, social security, all kinds of stuff.


Depends where you live.

I used to be a solid 20% unless service was bad. Not anymore in southern MD.


The_Sponge: I was at the Heart Attack Grill in Vegas about six months ago. The receipt listed the sales tax as "Obama's Cut".


I wonder if you could refuse to pay that.
 
2013-01-09 02:26:33 PM

sigdiamond2000: Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, that sounds felonious.

It sounds like made-up bullsh*t.


Come on, I can't be the only one who is passionate about pasta.
 
2013-01-09 02:26:51 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: JFarker131: This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.

Well, that sounds felonious.  But at least you can sleep better at night knowing you are the better person.


Sounds like someone making up fantasies.

I've worked in food service before, and farking with someones food like that was a great way to get fired, and wouldn't be tolerated by anyone, be it management or fellow staff. Sure, being a jerk customer would make it take a little longer for your food to get to you, or it would be cold, or part of it would be intentionally screwed up, but actually farking with someones food was a line you didn't cross for any reason. MAYBE if you were notoriously bad and something fell on the floor it wouldn't get thrown out when it normally would have, but that was about as far as it went.
 
2013-01-09 02:27:03 PM

Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.


Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?
 
2013-01-09 02:27:16 PM

Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.


Snopes - Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance." Status: False.
 
2013-01-09 02:27:19 PM
What a douche. Dont take it out on the server....stop applying for building permits and start using non taxed off road fuel in your truck like i did.
 
2013-01-09 02:27:38 PM

The_Sponge: I was at the Heart Attack Grill in Vegas about six months ago. The receipt listed the sales tax as "Obama's Cut".


That tells you all you need to know about Republican logic right there.
 
2013-01-09 02:27:39 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


If you weren't already a pleasing shade of orange, this would have done it.
 
2013-01-09 02:27:57 PM

LineNoise: I've worked in food service before, and farking with someones food like that was a great way to get fired, and wouldn't be tolerated by anyone, be it management or fellow staff. Sure, being a jerk customer would make it take a little longer for your food to get to you, or it would be cold, or part of it would be intentionally screwed up, but actually farking with someones food was a line you didn't cross for any reason. MAYBE if you were notoriously bad and something fell on the floor it wouldn't get thrown out when it normally would have, but that was about as far as it went.


Yep - it's a good way to get an FDA violation, at least where I worked.  Cleanliness was top priority.
 
2013-01-09 02:28:01 PM
I've only ONCE walked out on a meal with no tip after telling the manager I wasn't paying. She agreed when she witnessed the waiter talking football and seeing to his tables.
 
2013-01-09 02:28:44 PM

liam76: I wonder if you could refuse to pay that.


Of course you could. You'd be a humorless dick, but why not?
 
2013-01-09 02:28:48 PM
img547.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-09 02:29:48 PM

tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]


$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?
 
2013-01-09 02:30:05 PM

ThurmanMerman: Why is it those "disgruntled food worker does something disgusting to obnoxious customer's food" stories always end with some variation of "And the customer said it was the best he'd ever eaten"?


The only one I personally experienced was while I was in college and ended with one of my coworkers losing his job.

He spit in one of his friend's food orders as "a joke" and tried to pass it off as mayo on the bun. Once he fessed up, he was fired immediately.
 
2013-01-09 02:30:06 PM
I've been torn over giving a tip to my coffee shops baristas every morning.
I go get coffee probably 3-4 times a week.
If I tip every time my coffee goes from 1.50 to over 2 bucks. 2.50 I guess??

They are super friendly and know my drinks etc.. I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

Although there is one barista I'd give more than just the tip to.
 
2013-01-09 02:30:24 PM

PrivateCaboose: Most of the time, yes.  Some of the time, the waiter/waitress is just a lazy fark up.  I waited tables for a couple of years - I have a lot of respect for people who wait on me in restaurants.  But if the restaurant is empty and you're not capable of refilling my soda because you're too busy texting someone on your phone (and I have gone entire meals without being able to get a refill), you're not going to get a good tip.  If you are slammed with a ton of customers and you are pleasant, even if you are somewhat harried, you will get a very good tip.


I should have been clearer, I was referring to nicer restaurants where the staff cares.  Like most of the restaurants I've worked at.  But yeah, with any establishment  from restaurants to retail, to car sales, etc ...there are bad apples in the bunch
 
2013-01-09 02:30:25 PM

jbezorg: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

Snopes - Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance." Status: False.


Snopes!? You trust them?  They say Obama isn't a Muslim.
 
2013-01-09 02:30:43 PM

tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]


Are you sure that's American currency? 20$ for a coca cola seems a bit steep.
 
2013-01-09 02:31:48 PM

chevydeuce: Douche move, no doubt, but I still laughed....that took some time, thought and chutzpah, so I'll give him a giggle....

/I tip 15%-18% and that's not going to change anytime soon ever....don't like it? Fark you....


Time that could have been spent working to have the money to tip. Not tipping is not pulling your weight, plain and simple. Other people make it up with their tips, i.e., if nobody acted like a douche I would save money because the customary tip would likely be lower. People that don't tip are lower than homeless people on the street. Both classes of people don't pull their weight, but only with one of those classes of people can you say with 100% confidence that it was a personal decision every single time.
 
2013-01-09 02:31:59 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


I never, ever want to piss you off. Holy shiat that is both brilliant and breathtakingly cold.
 
2013-01-09 02:32:19 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.


Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".
 
2013-01-09 02:32:37 PM
Just farking mark up everything 10% and let me decide if the server deserves a bigger tip
 
2013-01-09 02:32:39 PM

liam76: The_Sponge: I was at the Heart Attack Grill in Vegas about six months ago. The receipt listed the sales tax as "Obama's Cut".

I wonder if you could refuse to pay that.


Heh....not after they finally tell you it is the sales tax.

/That place is insane.
//Even my fat ass couldn't finish their double cheeseburger.
 
2013-01-09 02:33:04 PM

litespeed74: I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.


I'm 100% sure that they do not have a problem with it.
 
2013-01-09 02:33:16 PM

Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?!


My first thought.
 
2013-01-09 02:33:17 PM

OgreMagi: Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.


Hell, I work in publishing but I'll be your waitress if you keep tipping like that!
 
2013-01-09 02:33:22 PM
Yawn. Another screed from one of those feminist sites about a customer who left a bad tip/ called the waitress fat that will generate thousands of enraged comments from the angry masses over a story that may or may not be a true.

My favorite was the Victoria Liss fiasco. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/seattle-waitress-exposes -rude-tipper-online-nabs-wrong-guy/
 
2013-01-09 02:33:30 PM

xanadian: whistleridge: How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):

mankindunplugged.com

"I CAN'T MATH"

lulz


I'm kind of tempted to do that at a place where I'm a regular.
 
2013-01-09 02:33:47 PM

PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?


Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?
 
2013-01-09 02:33:58 PM

JFarker131: talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce


No, you didn't.

he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.

No, he didn't.

stewover.com
 
2013-01-09 02:34:00 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.


Wait, Canadians from Canada or "restaurant Canadians"?
 
2013-01-09 02:34:01 PM

codergirl42: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

Are you sure that's American currency? 20$ for a coca cola seems a bit steep.


Looks like it was more expensive - in euros

This is assuming, of course, that it was real.
 
2013-01-09 02:34:34 PM
If I was on a jury, and someone was on trial for poisoning someones food, and there defense was they'd gotten this 'tip' the last time they poison victim was in, I'd totally say it was justified and let them off.

The really dick part is he left it after eating there. If you want to debate politics, at least have the balls to be upfront about it.
 
2013-01-09 02:35:16 PM
I once had a waiter tell me that the reason that the tipping percent has gone up over the years (10%, 12.5%, 15%, 18%, 20% etc.) is because of inflation. He said that since people were paying more for their food they should be paying a bigger tip. He really thought that if inflation, for example, went up 10% then his tip percentage needed to go up in well, else he would be making less money. I just looked at him in complete awe, wondering if his two brain cells ever actually spoke to each other!
 
2013-01-09 02:35:21 PM
My minimum tip is $3, even in the small restaurants where I eat breakfast for $7 - $11.
In larger restaurants I tip 15-20% rounded-up. For great - proactive - service I sometimes go to %30.
 
2013-01-09 02:35:41 PM

ThurmanMerman: Why is it those "disgruntled food worker does something disgusting to obnoxious customer's food" stories always end with some variation of "And the customer said it was the best he'd ever eaten"?



Because we're all secretly depraved psychos who secretly enjoy eating bodily fluids and hair. Duh.
 
2013-01-09 02:35:48 PM

Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".


Umm..he's not talking about ACTUAL Canadians.
 
2013-01-09 02:35:51 PM

Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".


Um, I'm pretty sure he didn't actually mean people from Canada.
 
2013-01-09 02:35:53 PM

JFarker131: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes

This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


Honestly, I just don't think that the minute bit of pleasure you might get from farking with someone's food is worth going to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
 
2013-01-09 02:35:58 PM
I tip too much, usually in the 50% range.
 
2013-01-09 02:36:20 PM
Tipping is the little bit extra you have to pay to eat like the nobility used to.

You don't want to tip? Cook and serve your own damn food.
 
2013-01-09 02:36:26 PM

meat0918: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?


I always do pickup - they don't deliver.  I think I usually tip around 10% at Nando's.  It's weirder when you sit and order - cuz you don't have a waitress, really.  You order and pay at the till and then they bring you food and don't come back for drinks, etc.  As far as buffets, I haven't been to one in a very long time (I don't like Chinese food, which is 90% of the buffets I've seen), but I would likely tip 15-20% depending on the server.
 
kab
2013-01-09 02:36:49 PM
fake
 
2013-01-09 02:36:50 PM

The Singing Bush: Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".

Umm..he's not talking about ACTUAL Canadians.


3 seconds! *shakes tiny fish*
 
2013-01-09 02:37:07 PM

baiku: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."

I never, ever want to piss you off. Holy shiat that is both brilliant and breathtakingly cold.


The Lumina thing was a nice touch.
 
2013-01-09 02:37:20 PM

Lando Lincoln: litespeed74: I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

I'm 100% sure that they do not have a problem with it.


As a former barista, no, they do not have a problem with it.

Even with a tip jar, we were lucky to get tips at all.
 
2013-01-09 02:37:58 PM
If this is real, this guy has to seriously understand that he can never go back, someone will recognize him and they will fark with him.
 
2013-01-09 02:38:14 PM

meat0918: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?


i tip on pick-up. but, it's usually closer to 10%. the waiter still had to plate the meal, pack it up, and do other stuff.

on buffets? depends, was there any table service? if yes, i think a tip between 10-20% is appropriate, depending on the level of service. if no table service, and you bus your own table, no tip is necessary, unless it's a mom and pop place and it was really good and you feel like being nice.
 
2013-01-09 02:38:34 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


Add me to the list that are stealing "beshat."

More Internets for you, sir.
 
2013-01-09 02:38:41 PM

Glancing Blow: My minimum tip is $3, even in the small restaurants where I eat breakfast for $7 - $11.
In larger restaurants I tip 15-20% rounded-up. For great - proactive - service I sometimes go to %30.


There have been rare occasions where a waiter/waitress has done a phenomenal job, and I've seen them disappointed by another table, that I have left exhorbitant tips.  No one who does a good job in the service industry should be treated poorly because people are assholes.  I have had plenty of people restore my faith in humanity over the years, so when I need to step up, I do.  But generally I tip 20% of whatever the total post-tax amount is.
 
2013-01-09 02:39:26 PM

Endive Wombat: restaurant Canadians


resturant canadians.
 
2013-01-09 02:39:32 PM

codergirl42: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

Are you sure that's American currency? 20$ for a coca cola seems a bit steep.


Worse, it's Euros, although none of that stuff is actually on this menu.

http://www.nikkibeach.com/sttropez/menu.php
 
2013-01-09 02:40:08 PM

busy chillin': Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".

Um, I'm pretty sure he didn't actually mean people from Canada.


Herp derp then.
 
2013-01-09 02:40:38 PM
To those who think stories of servers messing with your food are fake, you're wrong. Heck, stir his drink with you wang and serve it with a smile. He'll never know, and you won't mind his cheapness.

/one of my college jobs was waiting tables. Don't be enough of a douche nozzle to be remembered- and if you are - don't return to the scene of your crime.
 
2013-01-09 02:40:52 PM

PrivateCaboose: meat0918: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?

I always do pickup - they don't deliver.  I think I usually tip around 10% at Nando's.  It's weirder when you sit and order - cuz you don't have a waitress, really.  You order and pay at the till and then they bring you food and don't come back for drinks, etc.  As far as buffets, I haven't been to one in a very long time (I don't like Chinese food, which is 90% of the buffets I've seen), but I would likely tip 15-20% depending on the server.


I probably should have googled what Nando's is first, huh?

Looks good though, I hope they make it down into the PNW soon.
 
2013-01-09 02:41:15 PM

pute kisses like a man: meat0918: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?

i tip on pick-up. but, it's usually closer to 10%. the waiter still had to plate the meal, pack it up, and do other stuff.

on buffets? depends, was there any table service? if yes, i think a tip between 10-20% is appropriate, depending on the level of service. if no table service, and you bus your own table, no tip is necessary, unless it's a mom and pop place and it was really good and you feel like being nice.


I had to ask this question about a B&B - tipping outside of the restaurant realm is more difficult for me.  I never know when it's appropriate.  I think the basic rules someone told me were that if it is a B&B, the amount you're paying goes directly to the owners and you leave a small tip for the maid, like in a hotel.  I honestly didn't know that you were supposed to tip hotel maids until about a year ago.  I need like a cheat sheet of whom to tip.  But then I went to tip our apartment concierges and was told they don't accept tips.  ARGH! CONFUSING!
 
2013-01-09 02:41:19 PM

LeroyBourne: If this is real, this guy has to seriously understand that he can never go back, someone will recognize him and they will fark with him.


I'm imagining a TV show where people intentionally do stuff like this with tips, and plant hidden cameras to try to catch people messing with the food when the customer returns. At the end of the show they haul the person that messed with the food off to jail and everyone laughs about it over drinks.

I'd watch this show.
 
2013-01-09 02:41:34 PM

chevydeuce: Douche move, no doubt, but I still laughed....that took some time, thought and chutzpah, so I'll give him a giggle....


It looks like it took Microsoft Word.

And honestly, chutzpah? Leaving someone a nasty note so you can scram before they see it? That's the opposite of chutzpah.
 
2013-01-09 02:41:52 PM

jbezorg: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

Snopes - Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance." Status: False.


Also, the word would be "Ensure", not "Insure"
 
2013-01-09 02:42:19 PM

meat0918: PrivateCaboose: meat0918: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?

I always do pickup - they don't deliver.  I think I usually tip around 10% at Nando's.  It's weirder when you sit and order - cuz you don't have a waitress, really.  You order and pay at the till and then they bring you food and don't come back for drinks, etc.  As far as buffets, I haven't been to one in a very long time (I don't like Chinese food, which is 90% of the buffets I've seen), but I would likely tip 15-20% depending on the server.

I probably should have googled what Nando's is first, huh?

Looks good though, I hope they make it down into the PNW soon.


We didn't have one until about 2 years ago.  But holy fark it's delicious.  The garlic mashed potatoes are to DIE for.  And they have a rewards card for when you buy meals.  Every other meal, I get something for free.
 
2013-01-09 02:42:27 PM
Round number in the 15-20% range unless things are good enough to give huge tip or bad enough to get none
 
2013-01-09 02:43:33 PM

codergirl42: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

Are you sure that's American currency? 20$ for a coca cola seems a bit steep.


Read the receipt. It's from a club in St. Tropez, so it's 20 Euro.

In 1998, Nikki Beach introduced the world to the ultimate beach club concept by combining the elements of dining, music, fashion, art and entertainment into one. Called the "Sexiest Place on Earth," by the London Observer and recently earning the coveted #1 spot on the Travel Channel's World's Sexiest Beach Bars list, Nikki Beach continues to make its mark in the hottest addresses and trendsetting locales worldwide. Today, the Nikki Beach concept has transcended its international venues and grown into a global, multifaceted luxury brand comprising of a Beach Club Division; a Nikki Beach Lifestyle Division (including an exclusive branding & clothing line, a music label and a VIP membership card program); a Global Sponsorships & Special Events Division and a Hotel, Resort & Spa Division.

Nikki Beach can now be experienced in ten cities, in eight different countries with more locations to come in the near future: Miami Beach, Florida, USA; St. Tropez, France; St. Barth, French West Indies; Marbella, Spain; Cabo San Lucas, Mexico; Marrakech, Morocco; Koh Samui, Thailand; Mallorca, Spain and pop-up locations in Cannes, France during the Cannes International Film Festival and in Canada during the Toronto International Film Festival. The Hotel, Resort & Spa division has a current location in Koh Samui, Thailand and over the next few years will be opening Nikki Beach Hotels, Resorts & Spas in Europe (Croatia, Cyprus and Greece) and in the Middle East & Africa (Qatar and Cape Verde).


If you're the kind of toff who regularly pays $150 for bottle service, this place is for you.
 
2013-01-09 02:43:33 PM
Just to make the math easier, I generally take %10, double it for %20, and estimate where the nearest dollar is to that. May be more than %20 or may be less than, but figuring the tip isn't worth the time to figure or pull out the phone to calculate.

Oh and obligatory
 
2013-01-09 02:43:37 PM

JFarker131: /talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.


Fake story is fake.
 
2013-01-09 02:43:38 PM

Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".


pulsefeedz.com
 
2013-01-09 02:43:40 PM

tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]


They don't tip in France, except for maybe pocket change.  In fact, some servers will be insulted if you try.
 
2013-01-09 02:43:41 PM

tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]


Nikki Beach isn't in the US so not really relevant.
 
2013-01-09 02:43:43 PM

codergirl42: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

Are you sure that's American currency? $20 for a coca cola seems a bit steep.


FTFY
 
2013-01-09 02:43:46 PM
I don't care what your socio-economic standing is, EVERYONE should be required to spend a good 6mo to a year in some sort of service industry. Hell, make it a class to be taken during senior year of high school. Maybe then we might be able to avoid this sort of douchebaggery.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:00 PM

JFarker131: This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


Note to self: Don't trust any average looking waitress named Jessica.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:03 PM

PrivateCaboose: Glancing Blow: My minimum tip is $3, even in the small restaurants where I eat breakfast for $7 - $11.
In larger restaurants I tip 15-20% rounded-up. For great - proactive - service I sometimes go to %30.

There have been rare occasions where a waiter/waitress has done a phenomenal job, and I've seen them disappointed by another table, that I have left exhorbitant tips.  No one who does a good job in the service industry should be treated poorly because people are assholes.  I have had plenty of people restore my faith in humanity over the years, so when I need to step up, I do.  But generally I tip 20% of whatever the total post-tax amount is.


My wife and I moved from New York to Oregon where there's no sales tax. She decided that our tips should be higher since we didn't have to pay tax anymore. Not wanting to engage her logic cells I said: wow, great idea, I love that about you.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:17 PM
I thought this was gonna be about a really cool tip.
i.imgur.com
Waitresses be knowin' me when I come up in the place. My soda is never more than a sip short from being full.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:20 PM

Lando Lincoln: litespeed74: I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

I'm 100% sure that they do not have a problem with it.


Mine certainly never do, and I get freebies every now and then. I'd like to think it's because of my overt charm and incredible handsome-ness, but I'm pretty sure it's because I'm a reliable tipper and my drink orders are easy.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:22 PM

Felgraf: Man I really can't understand being so tight fisted you don't tip.

I mean, fark, I'm a physics grad student. If I were paid hourly, it'd probably be *below minimum wage*, but I still try to tip 20-30% (more often 30%, even if I get chastised a bit), if only to help make up for the assholes who DON'T tip.

Because, quite frankly, I know I could not work in the service sector without murdering someone after about, oh, a month. They have to deal with people who blame them personally when the kitchen is out of something. They have to deal with people who enjoy simply belittling them because they're a waiter. They deal with assholes like those in the aforementioned article.

FARK YES I am going to tip them. $15 pizza order? Here's $5 extra.

/Don't eat out or eat delivery often these days, mind. It also helps that a local pizza place gives you %30 off if you order via the web.


Waitress's are still not going to be impressed with you no matter how much you tip.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:27 PM

Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".


"Canadian" is Texas waitstaff slang for people of the dark-skinned persuasion.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:28 PM

litespeed74: I've been torn over giving a tip to my coffee shops baristas every morning.
I go get coffee probably 3-4 times a week.
If I tip every time my coffee goes from 1.50 to over 2 bucks. 2.50 I guess??

They are super friendly and know my drinks etc.. I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

Although there is one barista I'd give more than just the tip to.


I give them the coins. That way, hey no annoying change in my pockets. So that's $.50 every time, and doesn't add up as quick.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:35 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".

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Yessir. Got my rubber helmet on good n tight today, and my tongue's all windexed up. Kindly direct me to the nearest window so I can get started :)
 
2013-01-09 02:45:06 PM
I over-tip in an effort to rebuild my karma.
 
2013-01-09 02:45:34 PM

Glancing Blow: PrivateCaboose: Glancing Blow: My minimum tip is $3, even in the small restaurants where I eat breakfast for $7 - $11.
In larger restaurants I tip 15-20% rounded-up. For great - proactive - service I sometimes go to %30.

There have been rare occasions where a waiter/waitress has done a phenomenal job, and I've seen them disappointed by another table, that I have left exhorbitant tips.  No one who does a good job in the service industry should be treated poorly because people are assholes.  I have had plenty of people restore my faith in humanity over the years, so when I need to step up, I do.  But generally I tip 20% of whatever the total post-tax amount is.

My wife and I moved from New York to Oregon where there's no sales tax. She decided that our tips should be higher since we didn't have to pay tax anymore. Not wanting to engage her logic cells I said: wow, great idea, I love that about you.


Our prepared food sales tax is 10% because DC hates its residents.
 
2013-01-09 02:45:43 PM

Felgraf: Man I really can't understand being so tight fisted you don't tip.

I mean, fark, I'm a physics grad student. If I were paid hourly, it'd probably be *below minimum wage*, but I still try to tip 20-30% (more often 30%, even if I get chastised a bit), if only to help make up for the assholes who DON'T tip.

Because, quite frankly, I know I could not work in the service sector without murdering someone after about, oh, a month. They have to deal with people who blame them personally when the kitchen is out of something. They have to deal with people who enjoy simply belittling them because they're a waiter. They deal with assholes like those in the aforementioned article.

FARK YES I am going to tip them. $15 pizza order? Here's $5 extra.

/Don't eat out or eat delivery often these days, mind. It also helps that a local pizza place gives you %30 off if you order via the web.


If your total hourly rate would be sub minimum wage, you should file a DOL complaint and sue to get the back pay.
 
2013-01-09 02:46:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.


I liked the condescension at the top, the rest was bit too heavy handed. A good effort, but this topic has seen so many miles, you need a really fresh approach.
 
2013-01-09 02:46:06 PM

The_Sponge: tricycleracer: If you're that worried, you cheap piece of shiat, you shouldn't be spending money at a restaurant.

And we're done here.

CSB:

I was at the Heart Attack Grill in Vegas about six months ago.  The receipt listed the sales tax as "Obama's Cut".

/Kind of amusing.
//But beyond false.


Doesn't sales tax go to the state of Nevada?

Should it have at least said "Harru Reid's" cut?
 
2013-01-09 02:46:21 PM

dv-ous: Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".

"Canadian" is Texas waitstaff slang for people of the dark-skinned persuasion.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand the last horse crosses the finish line. As if it needed further clarification, I was not aware of that. For the rest of this thread I will be your pinata. Swing away :)

/honestly tired of actual not-a-euphemism Quebeckers ruining it for the rest of us
 
2013-01-09 02:46:25 PM
I usually tip unless my server is super bad or too aggressive.
 
2013-01-09 02:46:31 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: JFarker131: This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.

Well, that sounds felonious.  But at least you can sleep better at night knowing you are the better person.


Also, you sound like the kind of person who tells coworkers his Fark handle.
 
2013-01-09 02:46:51 PM
In college, I personally never got that worked up about under tipping. If everyone who couldn't afford to drop 15% stayed home, we'd have had a lot fewer customers and thus only one guy behind the bar, instead of three. That translates into a third less hours for me. Beside I made it all back when guys brought their dates in and tried to look like big fish.

/that said, how much you tip (and how regular you are) adjusts where you are in the order of people I make drinks for
 
2013-01-09 02:46:52 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.


Yes they do. Folks from China and India on the other hand tip poorly if at all
 
2013-01-09 02:46:52 PM
over 25 years in hospitality I've come to realize that there's a fair amount of jerks in this world.  I have a relative that would drink all night and leave nothing, for anyone.  I've had guys come in and have two drinks and leave a ten spot.  If you aren't going to tip that's fine just get off the barstool and let someone that isn't a jerk sit down.
I've dragged four luggage carts to the room at 3am and done everything else too, turndown, a/c on tv check that stuff and walked out with $0.  I've also been given a $20 for making a reservation.
I evens out.  If everyone was a full tip, it'd be a career to kill someone for.
 
2013-01-09 02:47:20 PM
That dumbass should probably not return for another meal, or risk spit and other foreign matter in his food.

Tip your servers. They will reward you with better service and no spit.

I always tip well at the places we frequent, and servers remember that.
 
2013-01-09 02:47:26 PM

RatMaster999: I don't care what your socio-economic standing is, EVERYONE should be required to spend a good 6mo to a year in some sort of service industry. Hell, make it a class to be taken during senior year of high school. Maybe then we might be able to avoid this sort of douchebaggery.


This.

The people who've never spent time in a real service job can be spotted from a mile away. That's the REAL "Entitlement Class".
 
2013-01-09 02:47:34 PM

meat0918: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?


I always tip myself 25% because I am worth it.
 
2013-01-09 02:48:36 PM
When I was younger (college age) and had almost nothing I would often not tip and my excuse was that the restaurant should be paying their employees. And while I still think restaurants should pay their employees I became much more reasonable aka less douchey after I got a job where I could actually pay my bills.

/good tipper now
 
2013-01-09 02:48:43 PM

cmb53208: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Yes they do. Folks from China and India on the other hand tip poorly if at all


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2013-01-09 02:48:46 PM

pippi longstocking: I'm sure people making over $400K can't afford to leave a $5 tip for a meal...what a troll, probably another right-wing retard


Dude, you're going to be in for a surprise when you get paid this month -- EVERYONE at all income levels got hit with a 2 percentage point tax hike.

Link

So if you make $36,000 a year and get paid twice a month, your check on the 15th is going to be about $30 light.
 
2013-01-09 02:48:47 PM
s2.postimage.org

Agrees
 
2013-01-09 02:48:50 PM
The restaurant should just refuse him service next time. Times are tight, and he obviously needs to save a few bucks. A little bit of tough love might be in order.
 
2013-01-09 02:49:20 PM
sorry, forgot this

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-09 02:49:36 PM

HoratioGates: The really dick part is he left it after eating there. If you want to debate politics, at least have the balls to be upfront about it.


No, the really dick part is where he went out to eat with a deliberate plan of not tipping regardless of the quality of service and to leave a note saying, "No, this was not an oversight, I actually am as much of an asshole as it seems."
 
2013-01-09 02:49:52 PM
The tantrum-throwing from the bootstrappy set over having to pay a couple dollars more in taxes just astounds me. I have a Facebook friend who is a complete hard-core right-winger--the kind who was posting how she couldn't stop crying after the election, and how scared she was about still having a job. She posted the other day, after the end of the fiscal cliff nonsense, about the horrible hit she'd taken on her paycheck, and how she was so sad because her family would need to find ways to cut back and one of them was to stop riding lessons for her daughter. What kind of insane jerk-wad gets so mad about this shiat that they take it out on their kid, and take away their horsey time, just so they can pretend they're all oppressed by crushing taxes?

This story is just more of that same nonsense. How bad are you managing your finances that a 2% change in Social Security and a minimal change in the high marginal tax brackets suddenly means you can't afford to tip your waiter? Wait, don't answer, it's a trick question. You're just being a dickhole to try to make a statement.
 
2013-01-09 02:49:54 PM
California doesn't have a separate wage for food servers like most of the other states do ($8.00 an hour). As such the tips really are a gratuity for services rendered and shouldn't be used as a guilt tool to help boost the servers wage up to minimum wage like in most of the other states. The 15-20% rule shouldn't necessarily apply here the same way it does in say New York ($5.00 an hour) or Virginia ($2.13 an hour). If you're not tipping 15-20% of your bill in those states then you should feel bad because you're a bad person, In CA, NV, OR, or WA (all at or above minimum wage)... not so much.

I do tip but for me it really is a matter of service versus reasonable expectations as opposed to feeling like I'm being served by someone on slave wages and feeling guilty if I didn't leave at least 15% knowing that the IRS and the state tax board will still assume that I did and will dock their pay accordingly. I know plenty of waiters and waitresses out here that under report (by far) their tips and really don't pay their "Fair share" of taxes so I can kind of see where the customer is coming from.
 
2013-01-09 02:49:57 PM

kid_icarus: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."

I think I just fell in love with you.


And he loves you back, until he discovers that you have a nickel more than he does.
 
2013-01-09 02:49:57 PM
Isn't there an inverse Yelp or something so that businesses can see who are the deadbeats and PITA customers? If he paid by credit card, they would know his name and put his name on a black list on OpenTable or somewheres.

Good luck going out for dinner anywhere in your neighborhood for, like, ever.
 
2013-01-09 02:49:58 PM
Perhaps it's just the rough biker crowd I run around with, but do women seem to leave a slightly smaller tip than men? (As in rounding down to 15% instead of rounding up to 20%.)
 
2013-01-09 02:50:13 PM

litespeed74: I've been torn over giving a tip to my coffee shops baristas every morning.
I go get coffee probably 3-4 times a week.
If I tip every time my coffee goes from 1.50 to over 2 bucks. 2.50 I guess??

They are super friendly and know my drinks etc.. I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

Although there is one barista I'd give more than just the tip to.


then instead of giving them a tip every time, give the hot one a fiver every once in a while.
 
2013-01-09 02:50:20 PM

meanmutton: pippi longstocking: I'm sure people making over $400K can't afford to leave a $5 tip for a meal...what a troll, probably another right-wing retard

Dude, you're going to be in for a surprise when you get paid this month -- EVERYONE at all income levels got hit with a 2 percentage point tax hike.

Link

So if you make $36,000 a year and get paid twice a month, your check on the 15th is going to be about $30 light.


A little more than that, I think - the income tax got slightly adjusted.
 
2013-01-09 02:50:26 PM

kid_icarus: As an aside...Mr. Douchebag's note claimed that he had to cut back on "discretionary spending", which to most normal people would include eating out; particularly at a sit-down restaurant that will involve tipping. If you're too broke to leave a tip, you're too broke to be at the restaurant in the first place.


Note that it says "discretionary spending and gratuities," so he acknowledges it is not a discretionary cost. He also acknowledges that Obama is insisting he "pay his fair share" of taxes, which means he's in the top income bracket and is, therefore, totally full of shiat.
 
2013-01-09 02:50:42 PM
Just wait until you have a shiatty customer, and a raging case of scrotum fungus, and mop the weeping wounds with the lettuce on the burger and serve it. Worked restaurants, and I always tell friends not to piss off the help. Gawd knows what you'll be eating.t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-09 02:50:42 PM
I'm unemplo a creative consultant and I still tip if I go out to dinner. I can't afford a tip I can't afford to go out to eat.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:05 PM
I kinda liked this comment from TFA I had to euthanize my wife because of the increased costs of Obamacare. I own a business that would likely have seen a huge increase in insurance costs. These costs would have had to be passed on to the customer. What customer is going to pay 3 cents more for a product? Someone that values the health and well being of a fellow citizen? Yeah right. So I put my wife down. With the savings from that, I will likely be able to keep prices down. If not, I might sell my Porsche.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:21 PM

litespeed74: I've been torn over giving a tip to my coffee shops baristas every morning.
I go get coffee probably 3-4 times a week.
If I tip every time my coffee goes from 1.50 to over 2 bucks. 2.50 I guess??

They are super friendly and know my drinks etc.. I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

Although there is one barista I'd give more than just the tip to.


Baristas aren't regularly tipped employees.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:26 PM
Remember everything you read on the Gawker is true.....right?
 
2013-01-09 02:51:27 PM
Here's how I tip:

Wait-person calls it in and goes through the motions but doesn't *really* piss me off: 10%
Wait-person does what they're supposed to: 15%
Wait-person goes above and beyond: 20+%
Wait-person acts like we're best friends all the while thinly veiling his contempt for me: 0%
 
2013-01-09 02:51:36 PM

Snarfangel: Perhaps it's just the rough biker crowd I run around with, but do women seem to leave a slightly smaller tip than men? (As in rounding down to 15% instead of rounding up to 20%.)


Guys seem more likely to just throw some money on the table while women want to calculate it down to the percent.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:39 PM
He who cannot give anything away cannot feel anything either.

- Friedrich Nietzsche
 
2013-01-09 02:52:03 PM

JFarker131: /talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


not ok.
 
2013-01-09 02:52:36 PM

whistleridge: How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):


I've done that drunkenly... lol

My dad is old school and tips 12% although my mother and I have tried to explain to him a bazillion times that minimum is 15% and 20% is pretty expected. He freaks out and gets all angry with us when we complain about his tipping. We had wonderful service for Christmas Eve this year and I had to watch my dad to make sure he didn't leave a measilly 12%. He left 17% which is the best I could expect from him I guess. Hubby and I stayed behind after they left to have a drink and we tipped them 50% on the drinks, so hopefully we made it up a bit.

... oh, and he's pretty darn wealthy btw so this isn't a rich/poor thing
 
2013-01-09 02:52:42 PM
Douche. If you can't tip, don't go out to eat. As a former waiter, the only time in years I haven't tipped was when the service was so bad I actually made the manager remove the automatically added gratuity from our check just so I could leave 1 % instead of 18 (and given that we sat for an hour without bread or water before she even acknowledged us, that was pretty generous)

In other news, his complaint is somewhat valid. I know I had to tell two great charities that I've donated to for years that I can no longer afford to support . That extra 5% I'm getting boned this year has to come from somewhere, and as Obama isn't paying for my mortgage, kids braces or the college fund, it's got to come from discretionary funds.
 
2013-01-09 02:52:44 PM
"We want to take more of your money, but you have to promise not to cut your spending in any other area!!!"

Thanks liberals.
 
2013-01-09 02:52:44 PM

Mock26: I once had a waiter tell me that the reason that the tipping percent has gone up over the years (10%, 12.5%, 15%, 18%, 20% etc.) is because of inflation. He said that since people were paying more for their food they should be paying a bigger tip. He really thought that if inflation, for example, went up 10% then his tip percentage needed to go up in well, else he would be making less money. I just looked at him in complete awe, wondering if his two brain cells ever actually spoke to each other!


He can't math
 
2013-01-09 02:52:47 PM

Radioactive Ass: California doesn't have a separate wage for food servers like most of the other states do ($8.00 an hour). As such the tips really are a gratuity for services rendered and shouldn't be used as a guilt tool to help boost the servers wage up to minimum wage like in most of the other states. The 15-20% rule shouldn't necessarily apply here the same way it does in say New York ($5.00 an hour) or Virginia ($2.13 an hour). If you're not tipping 15-20% of your bill in those states then you should feel bad because you're a bad person, In CA, NV, OR, or WA (all at or above minimum wage)... not so much.

I do tip but for me it really is a matter of service versus reasonable expectations as opposed to feeling like I'm being served by someone on slave wages and feeling guilty if I didn't leave at least 15% knowing that the IRS and the state tax board will still assume that I did and will dock their pay accordingly. I know plenty of waiters and waitresses out here that under report (by far) their tips and really don't pay their "Fair share" of taxes so I can kind of see where the customer is coming from.


That brings the question....why are the Chef's not tipped along with the waitstaff?
 
2013-01-09 02:52:59 PM

Carn: litespeed74: I've been torn over giving a tip to my coffee shops baristas every morning.
I go get coffee probably 3-4 times a week.
If I tip every time my coffee goes from 1.50 to over 2 bucks. 2.50 I guess??

They are super friendly and know my drinks etc.. I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

Although there is one barista I'd give more than just the tip to.

then instead of giving them a tip every time, give the hot one a fiver every once in a while.


I'm pretty sure that is what he meant the first time.
 
2013-01-09 02:53:20 PM

sure haven't: jbezorg: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

Snopes - Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance." Status: False.

Also, the word would be "Ensure", not "Insure"


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2013-01-09 02:53:40 PM

tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]


Mostly because with bills of a 2k+, there's usually a 15 grauity, meaning the guys who worked that table (including ye bus boy), are going to be splitting at 15,000 dollars.
 
2013-01-09 02:53:44 PM
also, article is sexist.
 
2013-01-09 02:54:40 PM

PrivateCaboose: pute kisses like a man: meat0918: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

Delivery or pick up?

If it is delivered, I give a nice tip. Pickup on the other hand, I don't think I've ever tipped, unless there is a tip jar and I have change.

Here's a followup: Do you tip at buffets?

i tip on pick-up. but, it's usually closer to 10%. the waiter still had to plate the meal, pack it up, and do other stuff.

on buffets? depends, was there any table service? if yes, i think a tip between 10-20% is appropriate, depending on the level of service. if no table service, and you bus your own table, no tip is necessary, unless it's a mom and pop place and it was really good and you feel like being nice.

I had to ask this question about a B&B - tipping outside of the restaurant realm is more difficult for me.  I never know when it's appropriate.  I think the basic rules someone told me were that if it is a B&B, the amount you're paying goes directly to the owners and you leave a small tip for the maid, like in a hotel.  I honestly didn't know that you were supposed to tip hotel maids until about a year ago.  I need like a cheat sheet of whom to tip.  But then I went to tip our apartment concierges and was told they don't accept tips.  ARGH! CONFUSING!


i'll admit, i am very diligent when it comes to tipping at restaurants and bars, but I always get it wrong at hotels. first off, i almost never have cash. i try to make sure no one does anything for me, but then inevitably, someone does something for me and I have no cash. I wish you could just add the tip to the bill... but then, inevitably, it would go to the wrong person, and that person would have to claim it as income... (which is the real genius of tipping - farking big gubment and helping out the little guy).
 
2013-01-09 02:54:42 PM

LineNoise: Three Crooked Squirrels: JFarker131: This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.

Well, that sounds felonious.  But at least you can sleep better at night knowing you are the better person.

Sounds like someone making up fantasies.

I've worked in food service before, and farking with someones food like that was a great way to get fired, and wouldn't be tolerated by anyone, be it management or fellow staff. Sure, being a jerk customer would make it take a little longer for your food to get to you, or it would be cold, or part of it would be intentionally screwed up, but actually farking with someones food was a line you didn't cross for any reason. MAYBE if you were notoriously bad and something fell on the floor it wouldn't get thrown out when it normally would have, but that was about as far as it went.


Avoid the lobster bisque.

www.seeing-stars.com
 
2013-01-09 02:54:49 PM
I'm sorry customer, because of this jackarse (insert card here) we have to impose a built in 15% gratuity to your bill. If you choose to give your server any more gratuity is solely your decision. I wish this didn't have to be the way for both of us.
 
2013-01-09 02:54:51 PM

JFarker131: /talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce


Did your coworker ask you to watch? I would have insisted that you watch.
 
2013-01-09 02:54:53 PM

Snarfangel: Perhaps it's just the rough biker crowd I run around with, but do women seem to leave a slightly smaller tip than men? (As in rounding down to 15% instead of rounding up to 20%.)


If the server is a woman women tip less and men tip more especially if she is young and/or attractive. I'm not sure about male servers but I suspect they don't have as much variation in their tips.
 
2013-01-09 02:55:24 PM

codergirl42: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

Are you sure that's American currency? 20$ for a coca cola seems a bit steep.


It's in St. Tropez, France. It's probably in Euros, but it's one of those super elite luxury resorts so things are going to be insanely expensive.

It's also in a country that doesn't have a tipping culture.
 
2013-01-09 02:55:42 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


Typically, people like this eat at casual (affordable) restaurants belittle the staff in order to feel better about themselves. While our friend from TFA didn't have the courage to actually speak to his server (as far as we know), there are plenty who do. Sh*t day at your 28k job? Why, just go belittle someone else to give that thimble dick the extra inch! As a former restaurant employee I've seen it more times than I care to recount. It's the human version of coming home and kicking the dog because you were emasculated by your boss and need to feel some measure of power.

What's sad/amusing is that this guy probably has a crappy job himself and yet still votes for the party that is interested in screwing him in order to protect some billionaire. After all, with that HVAC vocational degree, he too will one day be rich.

Turn off Fox and talk radio, you dolts.

/nothing wrong with HVAC, I'm just sayin'
 
2013-01-09 02:55:58 PM

codergirl42: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

Are you sure that's American currency? 20$ for a coca cola seems a bit steep.


It's from France. It's not dollars, I think they use crepes.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:00 PM

Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.


And then the restaurant goes under and all the non-tipped BOH staff are out of work and you flit off to go stupid up another joint.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:10 PM

OgreMagi: Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.


We did that once for our waitress at dollar beer happy hour. We were there every week and our group always left awesome tips but it was the holidays or her birthday so everyone left her $20 on 5-6 beers. It was over $100 in tips. Wouldn't you know it but we always got served first and most often. We used to have to tell them to stop bringing beers because you'd be half done and she'd have the next one waiting for you. Good times.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:13 PM

mcreadyblue: Radioactive Ass: California doesn't have a separate wage for food servers like most of the other states do ($8.00 an hour). As such the tips really are a gratuity for services rendered and shouldn't be used as a guilt tool to help boost the servers wage up to minimum wage like in most of the other states. The 15-20% rule shouldn't necessarily apply here the same way it does in say New York ($5.00 an hour) or Virginia ($2.13 an hour). If you're not tipping 15-20% of your bill in those states then you should feel bad because you're a bad person, In CA, NV, OR, or WA (all at or above minimum wage)... not so much.

I do tip but for me it really is a matter of service versus reasonable expectations as opposed to feeling like I'm being served by someone on slave wages and feeling guilty if I didn't leave at least 15% knowing that the IRS and the state tax board will still assume that I did and will dock their pay accordingly. I know plenty of waiters and waitresses out here that under report (by far) their tips and really don't pay their "Fair share" of taxes so I can kind of see where the customer is coming from.

That brings the question....why are the Chef's not tipped along with the waitstaff?


Because they aren't making waitserver minimum wage.  They make much more an hour.
 
2013-01-09 02:56:20 PM

The_Sponge: liam76: The_Sponge: I was at the Heart Attack Grill in Vegas about six months ago. The receipt listed the sales tax as "Obama's Cut".

I wonder if you could refuse to pay that.

Heh....not after they finally tell you it is the sales tax.

/That place is insane.
//Even my fat ass couldn't finish their double cheeseburger.


I wonder if there is any law about mislabeling taxes...
 
2013-01-09 02:57:02 PM

Endive Wombat: Generally, guests are EXTREMELY demanding.


I'm not. In fact I'm pretty easygoing. So much so that I think I make up for other customers' douchiness. What's that worth?

Also I've worked in the service industry for a good number of years myself, and why waiters and waitresses are the special snowflakes of the service industry with regard to "what a tough job it is" perplexes me.

Endive Wombat: It takes a pretty well honed set of skills to deal with the general public, especially around food and keep a smile.


FIFTY

Endive Wombat: What will likely happen if you give a bad tip for no reason other than you disagreeing with the "American Style Tipping System" is that you are going to get mediocre and likely rushed service


I often get mediocre service in spite of generous tipping habits. Is it okay yet for me to tip less?
 
2013-01-09 02:57:52 PM

Carn: OgreMagi: Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.

We did that once for our waitress at dollar beer happy hour. We were there every week and our group always left awesome tips but it was the holidays or her birthday so everyone left her $20 on 5-6 beers. It was over $100 in tips. Wouldn't you know it but we always got served first and most often. We used to have to tell them to stop bringing beers because you'd be half done and she'd have the next one waiting for you. Good times.


I miss having a regular bar.
 
2013-01-09 02:57:54 PM
If you can't afford to go out to eat, don't.

Someone so concerned with the intricacies of tax policy should be able to figure out that math.
 
2013-01-09 02:57:56 PM
I also factor in the amount of time the server is with our table. Since we're usually at our table for 3-3.5 hours for trivia, I increase my tip to account for that.
 
2013-01-09 02:58:00 PM

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/I'll tip if I eat at the restaurant.
//No tip just to pick up a pizza.


I hear you, but I tip at a sushi bar when I pick it up.
 
2013-01-09 02:58:14 PM
So this guy knew before going out to dinner he would have enough to buy whatever he chose on the menu but not the tip. Seems reasonable.
 
2013-01-09 02:58:35 PM
In the 80's when I managed a little seaside bar with kick ass food we would occasionally get some douche or a table of them that would pull shiat like this. Since the place was small I would know if they had stiffed the staff real quick. I made it a point to follow them to the parking lot / pier and give them the sorry-ass tip back to them. Then I would tell them that I would properly tip their server and they were not allowed back until they thought about what douche bags they were. Many of these people were people with boats (and yachts) that would be part of the flowing armada of douchenozzle that sail up and down the eastern coast. (Think Ted Knight from Caddy Shack)
 
2013-01-09 02:58:45 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


***farkied***
 
2013-01-09 02:58:55 PM

Publikwerks: You know, stupid dumbshiats tipping guy probably used his credit card to pay for his meal. I would ID theft the bejesus out of him.


Wouldn't do much harm to him. The credit card company would eat the loss. Just put his name somehow on some restauranteurs' database of bad customers.
 
2013-01-09 02:59:06 PM

SkunkWerks: Endive Wombat: Generally, guests are EXTREMELY demanding.

I'm not. In fact I'm pretty easygoing. So much so that I think I make up for other customers' douchiness. What's that worth?

Also I've worked in the service industry for a good number of years myself, and why waiters and waitresses are the special snowflakes of the service industry with regard to "what a tough job it is" perplexes me.

Endive Wombat: It takes a pretty well honed set of skills to deal with the general public, especially around food and keep a smile.

FIFTY

Endive Wombat: What will likely happen if you give a bad tip for no reason other than you disagreeing with the "American Style Tipping System" is that you are going to get mediocre and likely rushed service

I often get mediocre service in spite of generous tipping habits. Is it okay yet for me to tip less?


Yes.  When waiting tables I definitely had my off days where I was upset and distracted, and my tips suffered.  I never blamed the patrons - I was off my game.
 
2013-01-09 03:00:15 PM

Lollipop165: whistleridge: How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):

I've done that drunkenly... lol

My dad is old school and tips 12% although my mother and I have tried to explain to him a bazillion times that minimum is 15% and 20% is pretty expected. He freaks out and gets all angry with us when we complain about his tipping. We had wonderful service for Christmas Eve this year and I had to watch my dad to make sure he didn't leave a measilly 12%. He left 17% which is the best I could expect from him I guess. Hubby and I stayed behind after they left to have a drink and we tipped them 50% on the drinks, so hopefully we made it up a bit.

... oh, and he's pretty darn wealthy btw so this isn't a rich/poor thing


It's an oldster thing. My housemate (ex-waiter) and I usually slip a few extra bucks to the servers after their dad leaves the restaurant.
 
2013-01-09 03:00:38 PM
Tipping is stupid.
 
2013-01-09 03:00:44 PM
If you can't afford both the meal and the tip, go somewhere else for food. It's no excuse to be a douchebag because your guy didn't win the last election.

I hope every server who gets that card remembers him and knows in the future not to waste time providing decent service. Servers are not entitled to tips, but in a country where it is customary, not tipping should only be reserved for extreme cases of poor service. This guy planned not to tip, he deserves everything he gets if he ever dares to show his face there again.
 
2013-01-09 03:00:47 PM
I generally tip 15-20% automatically unless service is problematic or they farked something up.
Once when eating with some tightwad coworkers, a late dinner that saw us finish as the restaurant was closing and my idiot CWs wanting dessert and after-dinner coffee, I made sure I got the bill and tipped 30% because I *knew* they'd figure down to the 15% penny.
Went out for a meal recently with an ex and some other folks, got flustered and tipped about 30%, intending for it to be for the whole table, then the others tipped too. That server hit the jackpot.

So yeah, leaving a "tip" like this guy did? Assholery to the highest order.
 
2013-01-09 03:01:18 PM

Lollipop165: whistleridge: How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):

I've done that drunkenly... lol

My dad is old school and tips 12% although my mother and I have tried to explain to him a bazillion times that minimum is 15% and 20% is pretty expected. He freaks out and gets all angry with us when we complain about his tipping. We had wonderful service for Christmas Eve this year and I had to watch my dad to make sure he didn't leave a measilly 12%. He left 17% which is the best I could expect from him I guess. Hubby and I stayed behind after they left to have a drink and we tipped them 50% on the drinks, so hopefully we made it up a bit.

... oh, and he's pretty darn wealthy btw so this isn't a rich/poor thing


yeah, i've had to do this before. I don't even argue with the old man any more. i just surreptitiously check the amount and wait till no one's looking to throw in enough cash to get it to 20%.

/ the worst part: it usually happens when my dad is visiting me, which means I've taken him somewhere that I really like. i will not fark up a tip where i like to eat regularly. and i live in a city with some of the best food and service in the world, and not coincidentally, the highest average tip rate (as long as you don't go to tourist traps)
// i used to try to explain to the old man that his crappy tips are going to someone just like me when i was in college. i worked in a restaurant and made shiat. he becomes sympathetic for that dinner, but forgets about it by the next time.
 
2013-01-09 03:01:45 PM
Went out to eat at a local place, weird set up, you order up front, pay up front, food is brought out to you and you're checked on by bus staff, all staff share a tip jar. No proper waiters, and if you wanted desert, you needed to decide that up front, or pay twice kinda deal.

I rarely carry cash. If I have cash, I'll tip it all in the jar because it won't be more than $10, and if it's a big order I'll put some down on the initial card charge.

Went there the other night, didn't tip because I had a bunch of cash, by the time dinner was over I went "oh shiat yeah I've got cash for cannolis let's get some"

Paid for cannolis, dumped the rest in the jar. Miscounted the cannoli pile. Brain misfired on what to do since all cash was now gone. Slowly took a dollar back out of the change jar and handed it to the guy. Left, realized I'd managed to tip $1.60 for the entire meal in addition to pulling money out of the tip jar to cover my dessert.

Going back on the way home to buy another pair of cannoli with a $20 and put all the change in the jar to make up for it. Hope the same guy is working register.

/ COOLEST OF STORIES, BRAHS.
 
2013-01-09 03:01:46 PM
Lately, I'm seeing tip jars at bakeries. Somehow they have it in their heads that if a clerk bags or boxes up some pastries and sells it to you, they deserve a tip. I can see giving a tip to a barista because they are actually doing some work. A bakery clerk is just handing you a thing and taking money for it.
 
2013-01-09 03:01:49 PM
A standard tip is 15%, END OF LINE
You "20% should be the new minimum" people seriously need to man up, unionize, what the fark ever and demand an increase in pay.
Or step up your game and farking charm the pants off of some people.

The reason some of you are getting dick for tips is that you farking suck. If you fark up over and over again (or if the kitchen does and you don't take 1 minute to compare the order to the food on the plate?) well fark you, because you didn't earn jack shiat. If I have to call the manager over to take care of an issue that you couldn't help me take care of because you're texting in the back or on another smoke break? You aren't going to get that 15% and the message still won't sink in. You'll call me a lousy tipper, you'll call me a skinflint. You won't even take the time to analyze why you got a poor tip.

Sure there are assholes out there, there are cheapskates, and there are lousy ass servers. Showing up should not guarantee you a tip.

This dude? He's an asshole. The new tax is not the server's problem.

/Left a $15 tip on a $50 bill on Friday, the last time I went out to eat.
//And tip is calculate PRE-TAX fark nuts.
 
2013-01-09 03:02:14 PM
Actually I can sort of believe this might have happened. There are seriously weird people out there, after all. I still remember how at a previous job I got a return envelope from our alumni magazine, and instead of a "don't send this again" letter or a donation or whatever there was a 3"x5" index card with death threats and racial slurs all over it. It was so freakish I should have kept it as a souvenir.
 
2013-01-09 03:02:16 PM

Yaxe: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

Mostly because with bills of a 2k+, there's usually a 15 grauity, meaning the guys who worked that table (including ye bus boy), are going to be splitting at 15,000 dollars.


Not in France.
 
2013-01-09 03:02:26 PM

Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.


Shut up Mr. Pink
 
2013-01-09 03:03:02 PM
This one time I caught attitude from some wannabe-actress waitress about the tip I left her. She'd thought that because she gave me my soup "complementary", I would reciprocate with a large tip. (Just to note: there was nothing wrong with the soup, nor did I complain about it). She was nonplussed when it turns out that I was friends with the owner of the establishment and was hired to improve loss-prevention procedures.

I understand that service industry jobs can be hard, I actually worked at a few myself. That being said, if you want to take the moral high ground and force people into tipping, than service industry employees SHOULD take the moral high ground. Stop playing games with tickets. Stop snacking and drinking gratis on the job, that's what your shift meal is for. Stop viewing a cash-paying customer as an opportunity to pad your own bottom line.

/Loss Prevention consultation isn't hard at restaurants. Nobody seems to be honest.
 
2013-01-09 03:04:04 PM

pute kisses like a man: yeah, i've had to do this before. I don't even argue with the old man any more.


Why IS the tipping amount so high though? I mean, who is setting these rates?
 
2013-01-09 03:04:19 PM

Egoy3k: Snarfangel: Perhaps it's just the rough biker crowd I run around with, but do women seem to leave a slightly smaller tip than men? (As in rounding down to 15% instead of rounding up to 20%.)

If the server is a woman women tip less and men tip more especially if she is young and/or attractive. I'm not sure about male servers but I suspect they don't have as much variation in their tips.


When I waited tables, I never had the same level of fluctuation that my female coworkers did, particularly the hot ones. One woman I worked with joked that she could pretty much count on exactly 15% if a woman was paying the bill and no less than 25% if a man was.
 
2013-01-09 03:04:34 PM

kid_icarus: As an aside...Mr. Douchebag's note claimed that he had to cut back on "discretionary spending", which to most normal people would include eating out; particularly at a sit-down restaurant that will involve tipping. If you're too broke to leave a tip, you're too broke to be at the restaurant in the first place.


Meh, its Rove Brand Republican Math (TM). Like you can balance the budget by cutting the enormous budget of Sesame Street because we just can't afford that kind of extravagance, but 20 new warships will make jobs.
 
2013-01-09 03:04:50 PM

PrivateCaboose: Yes. When waiting tables I definitely had my off days where I was upset and distracted, and my tips suffered. I never blamed the patrons - I was off my game.


Well, then I like you. You seem to have reasonable expectations of other people. No, this isn't sarcasm.

I tip well- most of the time- and I have even at times when I haven't been so well off myself. It's never been the amount that I have a problem with. It's the principle of obligating a tip.

If it's an obligation, then it's no longer gratitude, now is it? And I really do like to let people know when they've done well- with more than just words.

Can't I keep this gesture as a sacrosanct expression of sincere gratitude, or do we really need to socally codify that out of existence?
 
2013-01-09 03:04:54 PM
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Funny how the guy who left that card says he can't afford a tip, yet he still went out to eat anyway. I guess it's also Obama's fault that he's a cheap asshole.

/if you're too cheap to tip
//then make your own damn food at home
///I tip 20%, motherf*ckers
 
2013-01-09 03:05:13 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Lately, I'm seeing tip jars at bakeries. Somehow they have it in their heads that if a clerk bags or boxes up some pastries and sells it to you, they deserve a tip. I can see giving a tip to a barista because they are actually doing some work. A bakery clerk is just handing you a thing and taking money for it.


What about some douche-bag "bartender" who twists off a beer cap and hands you the bottle?
 
2013-01-09 03:05:48 PM
I love the people above who are all "jerk should just cut back on eating out hurr durr", as though a restaurant which suddenly loses 15-20% of it's business -- you know, the amount of a tip when spread across the cumulative purchasing decisions of the local population -- isn't going to fire some staff, or just close. Pushing the hard decisions one level further out doesn't actually make the hard decision go away.

/It would have been funnier if the guy had just started tipping with birth control pills.
 
2013-01-09 03:05:48 PM

PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?


I ususlly tip 10% or so. Someone is still cooking and getting the order ready.
 
2013-01-09 03:06:41 PM

Teaser: Tipping is stupid.


Lots of traditions are stupid. You know what's really stupid? That guy in the bathroom that hands you a towel. You're supposed to tip him. I want to know why the hell he even exists. (I like to think he's there to beat the ever-loving shiat out of anybody who pees on the seat, but the universe isn't that glorious.)

But that's how you know it's a high class place - unnecessary jobs, people being used as furniture, and lots of noblesse oblige.
 
2013-01-09 03:07:00 PM
If you ever think a server has messed with your food. Make sure they can see you, take out a little piece of your food, and place it in a small plastic bag. When they ask what your doing, just say, 'taking a sample'.
 
2013-01-09 03:07:01 PM
I think the real issue and best way to solve the whole tipping thing is for restaurants to pay their servers an actual wage so that they are not required to make tips just to have enough money to survive. That way tips are extra, and paid for outstanding service, not the bulk of the paycheck.

The way it is now servers are almost required to flirt, show some skin, and put up with horrible shiat with a smile just to make enough to pay a light bill.

And the farking with your food thing....my wife used to wait tables and the worst thing was a steak dropped on the floor, then picked up and served. They used to get the bus-boys to crop dust rude customers regularly though.
 
2013-01-09 03:07:11 PM

bruegel: PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?

I ususlly tip 10% or so. Someone is still cooking and getting the order ready.


Yeah but that's what you are paying for in the cost of the food. Tipping is for service, not food.
 
2013-01-09 03:07:17 PM

LeroyBourne: I'm sorry customer, because of this jackarse (insert card here) we have to impose a built in 15% gratuity to your bill. If you choose to give your server any more gratuity is solely your decision. I wish this didn't have to be the way for both of us.


I'd rather have a 15% flat rate because then my 20% isn't subsidizing the other guy's 5%.
 
2013-01-09 03:07:17 PM

Carn: OgreMagi: Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.

We did that once for our waitress at dollar beer happy hour. We were there every week and our group always left awesome tips but it was the holidays or her birthday so everyone left her $20 on 5-6 beers. It was over $100 in tips. Wouldn't you know it but we always got served first and most often. We used to have to tell them to stop bringing beers because you'd be half done and she'd have the next one waiting for you. Good times.


The year before I left her a $50 tip for the holidays.  The service I got throughout the year was above and beyond expectations, although I'm still waiting for that beej.  Ok, seriously, if you are a regular someplace, doing something special tip-wise for the holidays will pay dividends for the coming year, unless you turn into a tightwad.
 
2013-01-09 03:07:18 PM

PrivateCaboose: mcreadyblue: Radioactive Ass: California doesn't have a separate wage for food servers like most of the other states do ($8.00 an hour). As such the tips really are a gratuity for services rendered and shouldn't be used as a guilt tool to help boost the servers wage up to minimum wage like in most of the other states. The 15-20% rule shouldn't necessarily apply here the same way it does in say New York ($5.00 an hour) or Virginia ($2.13 an hour). If you're not tipping 15-20% of your bill in those states then you should feel bad because you're a bad person, In CA, NV, OR, or WA (all at or above minimum wage)... not so much.

I do tip but for me it really is a matter of service versus reasonable expectations as opposed to feeling like I'm being served by someone on slave wages and feeling guilty if I didn't leave at least 15% knowing that the IRS and the state tax board will still assume that I did and will dock their pay accordingly. I know plenty of waiters and waitresses out here that under report (by far) their tips and really don't pay their "Fair share" of taxes so I can kind of see where the customer is coming from.

That brings the question....why are the Chef's not tipped along with the waitstaff?

Because they aren't making waitserver minimum wage.  They make much more an hour.


Really? I thought Applebee's starts Chef's off at $12/hr?
 
2013-01-09 03:07:57 PM

myspamhere: If you ever think a server has messed with your food. Make sure they can see you, take out a little piece of your food, and place it in a small plastic bag. When they ask what your doing, just say, 'taking a sample'.


I'm going to do this every time I eat out from now on.
 
2013-01-09 03:08:10 PM

Shirley Ujest: He won't tip his server because he cannot afford it, but can afford to go out to eat.


I give this guy a World Class Troll Award.


and if his taxes had REALLY gone up he;s someone who make more than $400K a year.  Who the Fark ARE these people that work themselves into towering rages over things that haven;t actually happened to them?

He's basically saying his pissed off about the entire CONCEPT of fairly distributing the tax burden
 
2013-01-09 03:08:12 PM
Quick questions:

1. If someone were to take a photograph from the internet, and want to crop it so they could print it and use it themselves, what program would be best?

2. can a regular office printer print stuff on card stock? I want to pass them out and I think they should have some "heft" to them.

Sorry, I am in a bit of a rush, as it is my anniversary and I'm taking the wife out tonight to a fancy dinner so I really need a fast answer.

Thanks!
 
2013-01-09 03:08:25 PM
So, am I the only guy here who adds a little extra for some cleavage?
 
2013-01-09 03:08:53 PM

mcreadyblue: Waitress's are still not going to be impressed with you no matter how much you tip.


That's fine, I think my fiance would get jealous if they did.

/Why in gods name do you assume that's why someone would tip high? That's just sad, man.

meanmutton: If your total hourly rate would be sub minimum wage, you should file a DOL complaint and sue to get the back pay.


I'm probably exaggerating a tad-but even if I'm not, I'm not sure it would work that way? *Technically*, as a grad student, I am a 'student' who is paid a stipend for my enrollment/doing research for them, with tuition waived. I don't think I count as a 'worker'.
 
2013-01-09 03:09:07 PM

evilmrsock:

/ COOLEST OF STORIES, BRAHS.


s1.postimage.org

/been wanting to post for a while now...thanks for the set-up.
 
2013-01-09 03:09:33 PM

dv-ous: Teaser: Tipping is stupid.

Lots of traditions are stupid. You know what's really stupid? That guy in the bathroom that hands you a towel. You're supposed to tip him. I want to know why the hell he even exists. (I like to think he's there to beat the ever-loving shiat out of anybody who pees on the seat, but the universe isn't that glorious.)

But that's how you know it's a high class place - unnecessary jobs, people being used as furniture, and lots of noblesse oblige.


Ugh that drives me bonkers. And they always have them at places that don't seem to need them - I just had dinner at a little no-frills place in Little Italy and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw a woman in the bathroom squeezing soap for tips. And the people are always immigrants - the tip is 99% of pity most of the time.
 
2013-01-09 03:09:35 PM

Endive Wombat: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

Here is the thing.  Acceptable tips range from 15%-20% here in the US.  20% is really the new norm.  If you step back and think about it, simply adding 20% to all prices is not how it is going to work.  (I have no links for this, but if you search you can find it, economists have studies this)...in reality, your meal would actually be somewhere closer to 40% higher because of payroll taxes, social security, all kinds of stuff.

Here is the other thing.  Yes, in very simple restaurants, it is a easy as bringing a soda and food to a table.  But that is the exception to the rule.

Generally, guests are EXTREMELY demanding.  Let me ask you something - has your waiter ever come back to your table, and ask how everything is and if he can get you something and you say "everything is great, I am all set..."  Then not even 30 seconds later, you ask for an additional side of ranch?  The waiter gets your ranch and then you ask for a side of ketchup...that in the industry is what is known as "running you around" (you being the waiter).  Common courtesy would dictate that you would have asked for your ranch and ketchup the very first time.  Now, why am I going through this?  Because as a waiter, you develop and adapt to your tables as best as you can, you have a rhythm that you keep, and when someone piece meals their requests it gets VERY frustrating and it actually effects the service of other tables.  Ever been sitting there wondering why your Coke is taking so damn long to get to your table?  It is likely because of another guest/table, not a bad waiter ...


nice post.  thanks.

there's a great restaurant in Lincoln, Montana, a very small town nestled in the heart of the mountains.  I go there all the time.  At. Lambkins, if you want more coffee...you get up, get the coffee, and pour it.  Some of the regulars will jump in and pour for everyone in there...it's awesome.

I could never understand why people are dicks to the employees of food places, etc.  I just i just don't have it in me to be a dick...or maybe it's 'cuz i bus'd tables to get through college.  LOTS of respect for employees of restaurants, food places, etc...
 
2013-01-09 03:10:48 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: [img.gawkerassets.com image 623x624]

Funny how the guy who left that card says he can't afford a tip, yet he still went out to eat anyway. I guess it's also Obama's fault that he's a cheap asshole.

/if you're too cheap to tip
//then make your own damn food at home
///I tip 20%, motherf*ckers


Summed it perfectly sir.

//If you can't tip then you can't afford to go out.
 
2013-01-09 03:10:53 PM

pute kisses like a man: Lollipop165: whistleridge: How to tip properly, and be an awesome human being in the process (even if you do eat at Applebee's):

I've done that drunkenly... lol

My dad is old school and tips 12% although my mother and I have tried to explain to him a bazillion times that minimum is 15% and 20% is pretty expected. He freaks out and gets all angry with us when we complain about his tipping. We had wonderful service for Christmas Eve this year and I had to watch my dad to make sure he didn't leave a measilly 12%. He left 17% which is the best I could expect from him I guess. Hubby and I stayed behind after they left to have a drink and we tipped them 50% on the drinks, so hopefully we made it up a bit.

... oh, and he's pretty darn wealthy btw so this isn't a rich/poor thing

yeah, i've had to do this before. I don't even argue with the old man any more. i just surreptitiously check the amount and wait till no one's looking to throw in enough cash to get it to 20%.

/ the worst part: it usually happens when my dad is visiting me, which means I've taken him somewhere that I really like. i will not fark up a tip where i like to eat regularly. and i live in a city with some of the best food and service in the world, and not coincidentally, the highest average tip rate (as long as you don't go to tourist traps)
// i used to try to explain to the old man that his crappy tips are going to someone just like me when i was in college. i worked in a restaurant and made shiat. he becomes sympathetic for that dinner, but forgets about it by the next time.


I can't wait until inflation really hits and tips go to 100%.

So much easier to do the math.
 
2013-01-09 03:10:59 PM

ceebeecates4: This one time I caught attitude from some wannabe-actress waitress about the tip I left her. She'd thought that because she gave me my soup "complementary", I would reciprocate with a large tip. (Just to note: there was nothing wrong with the soup, nor did I complain about it). She was nonplussed when it turns out that I was friends with the owner of the establishment and was hired to improve loss-prevention procedures.

I understand that service industry jobs can be hard, I actually worked at a few myself. That being said, if you want to take the moral high ground and force people into tipping, than service industry employees SHOULD take the moral high ground. Stop playing games with tickets. Stop snacking and drinking gratis on the job, that's what your shift meal is for. Stop viewing a cash-paying customer as an opportunity to pad your own bottom line.

/Loss Prevention consultation isn't hard at restaurants. Nobody seems to be honest.


I love the time I went into a Sonic Drive-In that I was a district manager for, and pulled the register receipts for the drive through, and was comparing it to an audiotape of the squawk box. The drive-thru girl was white as a ghost when she realized what I was doing. Lots of free food and drinks were going out the window. It was her last day of employment.
 
2013-01-09 03:12:34 PM
TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.
 
2013-01-09 03:12:35 PM

Great_Milenko: So, am I the only guy here who adds a little extra for some cleavage?


The amount of the tip is proportional to the amount of cleavage.
 
2013-01-09 03:12:50 PM
People that go to expensive restaurants and refuse to tip under the guise that it's a hardship for them are deserving of having their food tampered with. If you can't afford to tip at that restaurant, go to a restaurant you could theoretically afford tipping. I suspect it's not that they can't afford to tip so much as they're greedy jerks that refuse to pay someone of a lower caste than they are.

We frequently eat out. It's a family tradition for us to go to restaurant for lunch on Saturdays. We tip 20% as a standard amount, if this number doesn't come out even, we round up to the next dollar. A few cents more is not really a burden for us, and we figure it may make the waitstaff's life easier. Neither of us has ever been a waiter but both of us can empathize with people making such a low minimum wage needing to be tipped appropriately in order to survive. The pay system for waitstaff in the US is bogus. In fact minimum wage should be indexed to inflation instead of changed maybe every ten to fifteen years after much arm turning of "fiscal conservatives" in Congress.

It's a rarity for us to get poor service.
 
2013-01-09 03:13:04 PM

kid_icarus: As an aside...Mr. Douchebag's note claimed that he had to cut back on "discretionary spending", which to most normal people would include eating out; particularly at a sit-down restaurant that will involve tipping. If you're too broke to leave a tip, you're too broke to be at the restaurant in the first place.


Yeah...no. You're employed by the establishment I'm in, not by me. Your employer pays your compensation, not me. A gratuity is a perk for a job well done, not a participation award because you managed to stagger your way into work that day (bravo on joining other responsible adults in that achievement!).

I will gladly tip a server who is polite, prompt, and ensures my experience goes smoothly. I will have no compunction about reducing the tip I leave all the way down to a penny if the service deserves it (I never skip tipping; to skip it doesn't convey why a tip wasn't left. Leaving a penny, preferably with a note, gets the point across).

Now, to go into a restaurant with the intention of not tipping, that's the act of an asshole. So maybe we can find some common ground.
 
2013-01-09 03:13:16 PM

PrivateCaboose: Carn: OgreMagi: Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.

We did that once for our waitress at dollar beer happy hour. We were there every week and our group always left awesome tips but it was the holidays or her birthday so everyone left her $20 on 5-6 beers. It was over $100 in tips. Wouldn't you know it but we always got served first and most often. We used to have to tell them to stop bringing beers because you'd be half done and she'd have the next one waiting for you. Good times.

I miss having a regular bar.


me too :(
 
2013-01-09 03:13:52 PM

gerrymander: I love the people above who are all "jerk should just cut back on eating out hurr durr", as though a restaurant which suddenly loses 15-20% of it's business -- you know, the amount of a tip when spread across the cumulative purchasing decisions of the local population -- isn't going to fire some staff, or just close. Pushing the hard decisions one level further out doesn't actually make the hard decision go away.

/It would have been funnier if the guy had just started tipping with birth control pills.


That's the problem though, isn't it.  During a recession, and when times are tight, people spend less discretionary income.  No matter how you cut it, to food service industry is DISCRETIONARY income.  It is cheaper to make your own food than it is to eat at a restaurant.  So yes, I am eating out less.  Yes, local businesses are suffering because that extra $50 I am paying means I have less to give them.  That is not my fault - it is sound financial planning for a change in my tax rate.  I am not going to save less because my taxes went up.  I am going to spend less.
 
2013-01-09 03:13:58 PM
Automatically tack on 15% (or 20%) to every bill, and at the end of the meal give the customer a card where he can check a box directing that the money goes to the server, or to some well-known charity. Wouldn't that be better than having to carry a calculator around, and deciding whether the tip is calculated before or after taxes? If the service is good, the waiter or waitress still gets the money. If it's bad, at least the customer is not being a cheap bastard, and someone who deserves the money is being helped.
 
2013-01-09 03:14:27 PM

JFarker131: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


Then you are a douche and I also call BS on your CSB. Get a better f'in job so that you don't have to live off the generosity of others. I also worked as a waiter/bartender, etc and made a pretty good living at it while I was in college and grad school. I wouldn't consider putting something, especially semen, into someone's food. I hope Karma kicks you square in the balls.
 
2013-01-09 03:14:27 PM

kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


Wait, and lukemia of the eyes too, right?
 
2013-01-09 03:14:27 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me. This note is my sad and desperate attempt to pretend I am something within a time zone of being a man, even if just for a few seconds. Even though you are a service worker and most likely a disinterested teenager I would never have the courage to say something like this to your face, lest I break down into tears and be forced to trudge to my 1994 Chevy Lumina with Dockers beshat."


Shame there's no brown farkie - oh well - Favourited!
 
2013-01-09 03:14:34 PM
If the service is good I'll give a really good tip, like, don't look directly at the sun.
 
2013-01-09 03:14:40 PM

freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.


You can call it hypocrisy if you want but that's certainly not going to phase me. There are some jobs in the US where the pay comes directly from the customer, not from the employer. Those are the jobs where I tip. Bartender is one of those jobs. McDonald's cashier isn't.
 
2013-01-09 03:15:17 PM
This is why I only go to restaurants where the staff is comprised of adults. They probably make more than 2$ an hour, and they probably understand that farking with food is not good to do.

//fark you, waitress.
 
2013-01-09 03:15:31 PM

freeforever: C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.


From what I understand, minimum wage for a bartender is actually LOWER than minimun wage for a fast food worker because of tips. So, you tip the bartender.
 
2013-01-09 03:15:50 PM

ohokyeah: People that go to expensive restaurants and refuse to tip under the guise that it's a hardship for them are deserving of having their food tampered with. If you can't afford to tip at that restaurant, go to a restaurant you could theoretically afford tipping. I suspect it's not that they can't afford to tip so much as they're greedy jerks that refuse to pay someone of a lower caste than they are.

We frequently eat out. It's a family tradition for us to go to restaurant for lunch on Saturdays. We tip 20% as a standard amount, if this number doesn't come out even, we round up to the next dollar. A few cents more is not really a burden for us, and we figure it may make the waitstaff's life easier. Neither of us has ever been a waiter but both of us can empathize with people making such a low minimum wage needing to be tipped appropriately in order to survive. The pay system for waitstaff in the US is bogus. In fact minimum wage should be indexed to inflation instead of changed maybe every ten to fifteen years after much arm turning of "fiscal conservatives" in Congress.

It's a rarity for us to get poor service.


Minimum wage increases unemployment.
 
2013-01-09 03:15:51 PM

mcreadyblue: PrivateCaboose: mcreadyblue: Radioactive Ass: California doesn't have a separate wage for food servers like most of the other states do ($8.00 an hour). As such the tips really are a gratuity for services rendered and shouldn't be used as a guilt tool to help boost the servers wage up to minimum wage like in most of the other states. The 15-20% rule shouldn't necessarily apply here the same way it does in say New York ($5.00 an hour) or Virginia ($2.13 an hour). If you're not tipping 15-20% of your bill in those states then you should feel bad because you're a bad person, In CA, NV, OR, or WA (all at or above minimum wage)... not so much.

I do tip but for me it really is a matter of service versus reasonable expectations as opposed to feeling like I'm being served by someone on slave wages and feeling guilty if I didn't leave at least 15% knowing that the IRS and the state tax board will still assume that I did and will dock their pay accordingly. I know plenty of waiters and waitresses out here that under report (by far) their tips and really don't pay their "Fair share" of taxes so I can kind of see where the customer is coming from.

That brings the question....why are the Chef's not tipped along with the waitstaff?

Because they aren't making waitserver minimum wage.  They make much more an hour.

Really? I thought Applebee's starts Chef's off at $12/hr?


My waitressing rate was $2.13 an hour.
 
2013-01-09 03:16:23 PM

meanmutton: You can call it hypocrisy if you want but that's certainly not going to phase me.


You don't sound like the sort of person who'd be phased about being a hypocrite, so I'm not not really disappointed.
 
Ant
2013-01-09 03:16:36 PM

JFarker131: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes

This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


Please note that by saying assholes should expect their food to be farked with, we are in no way endorsing the farking with people's food by restaurant workers. We think you're a douche even if the guy whose food you farked with was also a douche.
 
2013-01-09 03:16:57 PM

Endive Wombat: What will likely happen if you give a bad tip for no reason other than you disagreeing with the "American Style Tipping System" is that you are going to get mediocre and likely rushed service (I want to turn your shiatty tipping ass out of here ASAP so I can make some real money). It is simply not worth my time as a waiter to invest being nice, staying on top of your meal progress, refilling your water/drinks, etc. because no matter how great I perform, I know it is for nothing. If you are regularly stiffing the staff at the places you frequent, it is likely you are well known as a bad tipper, and the waiter's service to your table reflects that.


I have no problem with this. However, in my experience, a lot of waiters turn this into a self fulfilling prophecy. As in, they look at me and assume I'm a poor tipper, then act as you describe. Or they're just lazy farkers. Either way, shiat service = shiat tip.

Servers in these threads always talk about stuff like this. I always wonder how they know someone is a shiatty tipper until they leave a tip. I suppose you must get regular cheapskates. However, I don't eat out enough to be regular anywhere. But I get disinterested service fairly often.

TL;DR: Waiters, am I a cheap tipper, or did you just assume I was a cheap tipper?
 
2013-01-09 03:17:01 PM
Does anyone else tip for carry-out from a sit-down restaurant or pizza joint? I'll usually put a dollar in the bucket or something but there's not a lot of service involved in taking my money and handing me my food. I don't mind tipping but I do mind the superficial judgment of waitstaff depending on how big your tip is. Also simply because your job is stressful doesn't mean you deserve to get rewarded 20% for anything. I've done wait staff. It sucks, but I was never angry at any amount people left because they actually do not have to do it. What you learn is that the better service you provide and the better you get at programming customers you can influence your own tips. I'd usually use a riddle or two at the outset of service to figure out how smart the customer was, the best metric I found was "how many pennies are there in 100 dollars?" Depending on how quickly or correctly they answered that question let me know how easily they were going to be to upsell and take suggestions for beer.

/Yeah, you do want another Chimay Blue
 
2013-01-09 03:17:15 PM

pute kisses like a man: yeah, i've had to do this before. I don't even argue with the old man any more. i just surreptitiously check the amount and wait till no one's looking to throw in enough cash to get it to 20%.


Back in the day, my mom covered for a very sick friend for some shindig. She was a Air Force nurse, of all things. After only night of service work, she vowed to tip every single service worker she would ever meet a minimum 30% I've watched her go as high as 100%, and she drilled into me her policy of being polite to servers...you never know what's going on behind the scenes, so don't punish them for your steak being overdone. After she met my dad, she made it known that she can't respect a man who doesn't tip, so he adopted a similar policy. I never had to go behind them and check the gratuity. Despite being otherwise stubborn, the man was easy to train if he wanted to keep getting some from the moms.

Some of my friends, however, are not so generous. I can't tell you how much cash I've surreptitiously left after one of my asshole buddies couldn't be arsed to do it. It's not something you argue about, because people like that won't ever change. Just drop an extra 10-spot in there and be about your way.

While on the subject of payment, why is that men are more than happy to buy dinner (you'll buy it next week, Jim will get it the following week, etc) but women shriek when an iced tea was accidentally placed on their check, which was split 7 ways and you had to ignore all your other tables to it? I understand this is not a 100% accurate depiction, but it's definitely the norm.
 
2013-01-09 03:17:37 PM
Semi - approves, depending on service:

Link
3rd Rock from the Sun
 
2013-01-09 03:18:17 PM
I love all the people in this thread that think committing a felony is a proper response to someone not paying an optional amount of money when eating out.
 
2013-01-09 03:18:51 PM

meanmutton: pippi longstocking: I'm sure people making over $400K can't afford to leave a $5 tip for a meal...what a troll, probably another right-wing retard

Dude, you're going to be in for a surprise when you get paid this month -- EVERYONE at all income levels got hit with a 2 percentage point tax hike.


Surprise? Nope. I knew when the tax break went in that it was temporary with a sunset provision and I shouldn't rely on it continuing forever. I treated the extra in my paycheck as just that, extra.

But I suppose that if you go through life ignorant and utterly short-sighted, that yes, the sunsetting of the tax break that was put in place when the tax break was initially enacted somehow surprised you and caused you problems.
 
2013-01-09 03:19:37 PM

had98c: I love all the people in this thread that think committing a felony is a proper response to someone not paying an optional amount of money when eating out.


Oh, eat me. In a manner of speaking.
 
2013-01-09 03:20:05 PM

Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?


Not to mention $12 for 3 "the". You know a place is pricey when they charge you $4 a word.
 
2013-01-09 03:20:09 PM
My wife ALWAYS has a coupon when we go out to eat. Buy one entree get another of equal or lesser value free, or enjoy 20% off your next bill for example. We make sure to tip on the original cost before coupons apply discounts so that our waiters/waitresses don't get screwed. Because we coupon, we don't frequent anywhere so it's not about keeping semen out of our spinach and artichoke dip. We just enjoy the service.
 
2013-01-09 03:22:19 PM
It takes a pretty well honed set of skills to deal with not kill the general public, especially around food and keep a smile.
FTFM

why yes, I have worked in food service. Why do you ask?
 
2013-01-09 03:24:01 PM

sewnandsilent: My wife ALWAYS has a coupon when we go out to eat. Buy one entree get another of equal or lesser value free, or enjoy 20% off your next bill for example. We make sure to tip on the original cost before coupons apply discounts so that our waiters/waitresses don't get screwed. Because we coupon, we don't frequent anywhere so it's not about keeping semen out of our spinach and artichoke dip. We just enjoy the service.


I need to start finding these coupons.
 
2013-01-09 03:24:08 PM
Tipping is not required nor expected in Rome, Italy, and service is shiat. Tipping 10-15% is customary but not required in London, England,and service is generally very good. So you don't need to get to American levels of tipping ridiculousness to ensure good service. I know a guy who prefers to wait tables rather than learn an actual skill and work in the kitchen because he earns way more waiting tables.

Also, imagine the butthurt if the article said "of course it was a woman"
 
2013-01-09 03:26:09 PM

dickfreckle: Typically, people like this eat at casual (affordable) restaurants belittle the staff in order to feel better about themselves. While our friend from TFA didn't have the courage to actually speak to his server (as far as we know), there are plenty who do. Sh*t day at your 28k job? Why, just go belittle someone else to give that thimble dick the extra inch! As a former restaurant employee I've seen it more times than I care to recount. It's the human version of coming home and kicking the dog because you were emasculated by your boss and need to feel some measure of power.


I went to a conference a couple years a go and a group of us who had been getting along decided to go out one night for dinner. There was going to be 10 of us, so we called ahead for a reservation. When we arrived we were seated at a nice quiet table in the upstairs of the restaurant with a lovely view down below. One of the guys immediately jumps on our server about our location and demands to see a manager. When the manager comes over he just can't. stop. biatching. about how bad our location is and how we need a better table. The namager leaves to se what he can do and one of us asks the guy what is wrong with the table.

"Nothing," the guy says, "you just don't ever settle for the first table."

We got a very loud table right next to the kitchen as our upgrade.
 
2013-01-09 03:26:54 PM

Lollipop165: freeforever: C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.

From what I understand, minimum wage for a bartender is actually LOWER than minimun wage for a fast food worker because of tips. So, you tip the bartender.


Link
 
2013-01-09 03:27:51 PM

BSABSVR: We got a very loud table right next to the kitchen as our upgrade.


Sounds like an excellent time for the phrase "we're not with him".
 
2013-01-09 03:27:58 PM

Lollipop165: From what I understand, minimum wage for a bartender is actually LOWER than minimun wage for a fast food worker because of tips. So, you tip the bartender.


When paying cash, is a dollar every beer fair? Like seriously, they fill my beer for about 12 seconds and i'm not seeking advice or anything.

bartenders often carry attitude and I have no clue why. I carry money and I'm not a cute girl so I already paid the cover. I get tight with tips in those situations.

/I tip regularly everywhere else
 
2013-01-09 03:28:09 PM

rossocaere: Tipping is not required nor expected in Rome, Italy, and service is shiat. Tipping 10-15% is customary but not required in London, England,and service is generally very good. So you don't need to get to American levels of tipping ridiculousness to ensure good service. I know a guy who prefers to wait tables rather than learn an actual skill and work in the kitchen because he earns way more waiting tables.

Also, imagine the butthurt if the article said "of course it was a woman"


Of course, men have a sense of humor.
 
2013-01-09 03:28:16 PM

freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.


I think most states have wage laws that heavily favor the Wendy's worker.
 
2013-01-09 03:28:16 PM

BSABSVR: dickfreckle: Typically, people like this eat at casual (affordable) restaurants belittle the staff in order to feel better about themselves. While our friend from TFA didn't have the courage to actually speak to his server (as far as we know), there are plenty who do. Sh*t day at your 28k job? Why, just go belittle someone else to give that thimble dick the extra inch! As a former restaurant employee I've seen it more times than I care to recount. It's the human version of coming home and kicking the dog because you were emasculated by your boss and need to feel some measure of power.

I went to a conference a couple years a go and a group of us who had been getting along decided to go out one night for dinner. There was going to be 10 of us, so we called ahead for a reservation. When we arrived we were seated at a nice quiet table in the upstairs of the restaurant with a lovely view down below. One of the guys immediately jumps on our server about our location and demands to see a manager. When the manager comes over he just can't. stop. biatching. about how bad our location is and how we need a better table. The namager leaves to se what he can do and one of us asks the guy what is wrong with the table.

"Nothing," the guy says, "you just don't ever settle for the first table."

We got a very loud table right next to the kitchen as our upgrade.


Ugh.  People who are like that - concerned about keeping up appearances - drive me absolutely insane.
 
2013-01-09 03:30:51 PM

thecpt: Lollipop165: From what I understand, minimum wage for a bartender is actually LOWER than minimun wage for a fast food worker because of tips. So, you tip the bartender.

When paying cash, is a dollar every beer fair? Like seriously, they fill my beer for about 12 seconds and i'm not seeking advice or anything.

bartenders often carry attitude and I have no clue why. I carry money and I'm not a cute girl so I already paid the cover. I get tight with tips in those situations.

/I tip regularly everywhere else


A dollar a drink is the reasonable norm.  For me, it depends on whether I have cash or open a tab.  In DC, most beers are $6 or $7 (yes, yes, I know, it's crazy).  If I pay cash, it's a buck a beer.  If I open a tab, it's 20% on the total unless the bartender was an asshole who ignored me (happens from time to time).  It's just more convenient to leave a dollar than to fiddle with coins.  If a drink ends up costing $6.50 or something, I leave a dollar and the change.
 
2013-01-09 03:31:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: rm from around 800. That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service. If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss. Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own. You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.


You've never been to France then; Because the service quite often sucks, I should know I've lived here 17 years.
/worked restaurants and bars in college to make ends meet
//still only tip 10%
 
2013-01-09 03:31:14 PM

Felgraf: Man I really can't understand being so tight fisted you don't tip.

I mean, fark, I'm a physics grad student. If I were paid hourly, it'd probably be *below minimum wage*, but I still try to tip 20-30% (more often 30%, even if I get chastised a bit), if only to help make up for the assholes who DON'T tip.

Because, quite frankly, I know I could not work in the service sector without murdering someone after about, oh, a month. They have to deal with people who blame them personally when the kitchen is out of something. They have to deal with people who enjoy simply belittling them because they're a waiter. They deal with assholes like those in the aforementioned article.

FARK YES I am going to tip them. $15 pizza order? Here's $5 extra.

/Don't eat out or eat delivery often these days, mind. It also helps that a local pizza place gives you %30 off if you order via the web.


I only bump the tip up above 20% if I've been camped in their section a long time, taking up a table that another party could have used in the meantime. Like if we just order drinks and chit chat for a long time. Then I tip based on the actual value of their service, rather than a percentage, so I can wind up leaving a few times the actual tab.

But I think in your pizza coupon situation, you should really look at the tip as being on the pre-discount price.

\The good news about physics grad school is that it ends eventually.
\\You ever notice the difference between a group of engineers trying to split a tab and a bunch of physicists? The engineers pull out their calculators to figure out every individual's share. The physicists each approximate the cost of their meal, put it in the center of the table, and then go around the table throwing ones onto the pile until it comes out right.
 
2013-01-09 03:31:14 PM

BSABSVR: I went to a conference a couple years a go and a group of us who had been getting along decided to go out one night for dinner. There was going to be 10 of us, so we called ahead for a reservation. When we arrived we were seated at a nice quiet table in the upstairs of the restaurant with a lovely view down below. One of the guys immediately jumps on our server about our location and demands to see a manager. When the manager comes over he just can't. stop. biatching. about how bad our location is and how we need a better table. The namager leaves to se what he can do and one of us asks the guy what is wrong with the table.

"Nothing," the guy says, "you just don't ever settle for the first table."

We got a very loud table right next to the kitchen as our upgrade.


I would have called the guy a classless douchebag to his face. I really have no patience for people like that.
 
2013-01-09 03:34:35 PM

PrivateCaboose: In DC, most beers are $6 or $7 (yes, yes, I know, it's crazy).


SW CT is about the same if not more. Kind of farking ridiculous. Cost of beer is a reason I miss back woods bars.
 
2013-01-09 03:34:37 PM

thecpt: Lollipop165: From what I understand, minimum wage for a bartender is actually LOWER than minimun wage for a fast food worker because of tips. So, you tip the bartender.

When paying cash, is a dollar every beer fair? Like seriously, they fill my beer for about 12 seconds and i'm not seeking advice or anything.

bartenders often carry attitude and I have no clue why. I carry money and I'm not a cute girl so I already paid the cover. I get tight with tips in those situations.

/I tip regularly everywhere else


My rule is a dollar per beer unless the beers start going over $5, in which case revert to normal percentages. But if the beers are that pricey most of the time I run a tab. Easier to do the math once.
 
2013-01-09 03:34:37 PM

incendi: HoratioGates: The really dick part is he left it after eating there. If you want to debate politics, at least have the balls to be upfront about it.

No, the really dick part is where he went out to eat with a deliberate plan of not tipping regardless of the quality of service and to leave a note saying, "No, this was not an oversight, I actually am as much of an asshole as it seems."


No, the REALLY dick part is the part where he took the extra time and effort to print up this little card. And you just know he didn't print just one. This guy (why do I feel like we're all safe assuming it is a he?) is just going around town handing these out.
 
2013-01-09 03:36:02 PM

PrivateCaboose: My waitressing rate was $2.13 an hour.


Which is the federal minimum wage for tipped workers. Not all states adhere to that standard and some are more than triple that wage (at least one is more than quadruple that wage). That's not to say that you shouldn't tip a server in the states that mandate a higher pay rate but one does need to be aware that the tipping rules shouldn't be the same in California as they are in Virginia.
 
2013-01-09 03:36:24 PM

Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?


In Rome near the pantheon you will pay just shy of 10 bucks for a can of coke.
 
2013-01-09 03:37:11 PM

freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.


McDonald's workers aren't allowed to accept tips, and if they are caught doing so anyway it's grounds for termination. Or at least that was the case when I worked there in the late 90's.
 
2013-01-09 03:37:24 PM
Tipping a percentage seems a shoddy way of paying a service tax. If I order a big ole expensive steak and a couple beers, it's the same amount of work to bring it to me as if ordered a sandwich and a couple beers. Why should the waitress get a bigger cut just because the steak costs more? It really should be commensurate with work done, not as a percentage of what I can afford to spend. Now a shiatton of rounds off drinks at a bar, sure, a percentage works, cause it's constant back and forthing for the barmaid plus anticipatory drink bringing.
 
2013-01-09 03:38:00 PM
Has no one mentioned yet that he talks about discretionary spending, on a typed piece of paper that cost money to actually make?

Also, at this point every restaurant should just pull the Europe system and append a 15% surcharge onto every meal. Only lame shiatholes don't tip anymore, since it's considered obligatory.
 
2013-01-09 03:38:07 PM

rossocaere: Tipping is not required nor expected in Rome, Italy, and service is shiat. Tipping 10-15% is customary but not required in London, England,and service is generally very good. So you don't need to get to American levels of tipping ridiculousness to ensure good service.


True, but in London, servers don't make $2.13 an hour.
 
2013-01-09 03:38:20 PM

RatMaster999: I don't care what your socio-economic standing is, EVERYONE should be required to spend a good 6mo to a year in some sort of service industry. Hell, make it a class to be taken during senior year of high school. Maybe then we might be able to avoid this sort of douchebaggery.


Oh please please please. Then, pay them in imaginary dollars, and require them to forfeit some of it for imagined rent and bills. The class requires them to buy an imaginary car and manage an imaginary credit card. They get to keep all the money they have at the end, but cheapskate purchases carry some sort of risk.

At the mid-term, have them all "go to college." They have to take out a student loan, and also shop around to find out how much tuition actually costs. In the end they have to figure out how to get a 4-year college degree without borrowing anything other than subsidized loans. For the second half of the semester, they have to add a student loan payment to their budget. Like the credit card, they can pay whatever they want but the final liability deducts from their cash---for the student loan, take their average payment, extrapolate to 10 years, and see how much they'd still owe.

This would be like a personal economics class, the kind they used to have before parents complained that it was a waste of time, except you add an actual McJob requirement.
 
2013-01-09 03:38:49 PM

meanmutton: ohokyeah: People that go to expensive restaurants and refuse to tip under the guise that it's a hardship for them are deserving of having their food tampered with. If you can't afford to tip at that restaurant, go to a restaurant you could theoretically afford tipping. I suspect it's not that they can't afford to tip so much as they're greedy jerks that refuse to pay someone of a lower caste than they are.

We frequently eat out. It's a family tradition for us to go to restaurant for lunch on Saturdays. We tip 20% as a standard amount, if this number doesn't come out even, we round up to the next dollar. A few cents more is not really a burden for us, and we figure it may make the waitstaff's life easier. Neither of us has ever been a waiter but both of us can empathize with people making such a low minimum wage needing to be tipped appropriately in order to survive. The pay system for waitstaff in the US is bogus. In fact minimum wage should be indexed to inflation instead of changed maybe every ten to fifteen years after much arm turning of "fiscal conservatives" in Congress.

It's a rarity for us to get poor service.

Minimum wage increases unemployment.


The idea that minimum wage increases unemployment is only one viewpoint, and it's only economy theory, not proven. There's evidence to the contrary as well.

"A study of U.S. states showed that businesses' annual and average payrolls grow faster and employment grew at a faster rate in states with a minimum wage." More people becoming consumers lends towards economic growth, not economic contraction. If you pay people more, they're more likely to stick with a job and work harder at it, decreasing training costs for positions and creating a group of people who can consume more goods and services themselves as they're not living hand to mouth anymore.

Henry Ford understood that if you pay your workers well enough, they can buy the products they're manufacturing. More consumers means more potential profit.
 
2013-01-09 03:39:21 PM

PrivateCaboose: thecpt: Lollipop165: From what I understand, minimum wage for a bartender is actually LOWER than minimun wage for a fast food worker because of tips. So, you tip the bartender.

When paying cash, is a dollar every beer fair? Like seriously, they fill my beer for about 12 seconds and i'm not seeking advice or anything.

bartenders often carry attitude and I have no clue why. I carry money and I'm not a cute girl so I already paid the cover. I get tight with tips in those situations.

/I tip regularly everywhere else

A dollar a drink is the reasonable norm.  For me, it depends on whether I have cash or open a tab.  In DC, most beers are $6 or $7 (yes, yes, I know, it's crazy).  If I pay cash, it's a buck a beer.  If I open a tab, it's 20% on the total unless the bartender was an asshole who ignored me (happens from time to time).  It's just more convenient to leave a dollar than to fiddle with coins.  If a drink ends up costing $6.50 or something, I leave a dollar and the change.


But if you are paying that much for a beer, you hope it's a place like RFD where you can get something nice and not 930 club where it's now like $7 for a Yuengling.
 
2013-01-09 03:40:14 PM
What does any of this have to do with pics of hot lesbian waitresses?
 
2013-01-09 03:40:41 PM

SkunkWerks: Sounds like an excellent time for the phrase "we're not with him".


I was laughing the whole time, not that anyone could hear me. Because of his production, he had to pretend (or maybe he honestly thought) that we got some royal treatment that night. Th enext time a group of us went out at that conference he and his co worker were not invited.
 
2013-01-09 03:41:33 PM

brap: My grandfather used to ask waitresses "would you like a dollar or a ring for your tip" and the waitress would say "a ring".  He would make an oragami ring out of a dollar and leave it on the table.

This is apparently HILARIOUS to a farmer.  To a waitress, not so much.


It would farking funny and charming with a much larger denomination.
 
2013-01-09 03:42:06 PM
Is this where I say how that's typical conservative logic? Not enough "discretionary" money to tip, but enough to spend 4 times on food what it would cost you to make at home?
 
2013-01-09 03:43:22 PM

ThurmanMerman: Why is it those "disgruntled food worker does something disgusting to obnoxious customer's food" stories always end with some variation of "And the customer said it was the best he'd ever eaten"?


Because cum is f*cking delicious.
 
2013-01-09 03:43:57 PM

efgeise: Has no one mentioned yet that he talks about discretionary spending, on a typed piece of paper that cost money to actually make?


It's cool, I'm using my office supplies.
 
2013-01-09 03:44:16 PM
Also, it would be nice if we paid people wages they can live on, and just charged what we wanted tor items.

Tips SHOULDN'T be obligatory. They obviously are in our culture however and you're a douchebag if you don't follow the cultural mores and norms for the country you live in.
 
2013-01-09 03:44:25 PM

PrivateCaboose:

I miss having a regular bar.


*sigh* Me too. My former 'regular' bar changed hands and is now a college kid hangout. Not that there's anything wrong with college kids, just a 50 year old woman does not belong at the end of a college bar.

I'm not interested in being a cougar, or anything else. I just miss having a nice neighborhood bar I can stop in and have a cold one or three and maybe a burger.
 
2013-01-09 03:47:56 PM

Lollipop165: I would have called the guy a classless douchebag to his face. I really have no patience for people like that.


I was the Jr. member of my then company there, and the guy was old enough that it was unlikely he would change his ways. Besides the eyerolling and the disinviting that resulted from this guys douchery, we made up for it in tips and discreet apologies to the floor manager.
 
2013-01-09 03:48:25 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.


This is always overstated.  The truth is that Americans tip slightly better than Canadians on average.  Studies support this (British and Japanese tourists are also very good).  Canadian waitresses get a slightly higher base salary than American servers.  Also, the type tourists you get travelling to Florida/Orlando are not typical of the majority of Canadian travelers and they skew the stats unfairly (make us look bad).

/generous Canadian tipper
 
2013-01-09 03:48:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.


You are joking right? Or do you really believe this BS?
 
2013-01-09 03:50:09 PM
Isn't this the part when someone internet detective pulls his personal info and outs the prick for his friends and neighbors? Despite mild moral misgivings (in situations when the internet viciously turns on someone for something that's just being an "everyday dick" that happens all the time, just because some newspaper decided to run with it), I usually enjoy that part for smug assholes like this, especially when they pull some politics BS to some highschooler who just wants some pocket money..
 
2013-01-09 03:51:44 PM
I always tip well - I have friends who are in food service, and I myself would one day like to own an eatery. I average around 20-25%, unless it's something like a diner where I can sit there with a 1.05 bottomless cup of coffee for hours, in which case i'll usually tip anywhere from 300-1000% depending on how often I see the bottom of my cup and how long we hang out. If we take up a table, the least we can do is make up for the tips the waitress isn't getting. Doesn't matter if the place is busy or not.
 
2013-01-09 03:54:14 PM

mrshowrules: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

This is always overstated.  The truth is that Americans tip slightly better than Canadians on average.  Studies support this (British and Japanese tourists are also very good).  Canadian waitresses get a slightly higher base salary than American servers.  Also, the type tourists you get travelling to Florida/Orlando are not typical of the majority of Canadian travelers and they skew the stats unfairly (make us look bad).

/generous Canadian tipper


Where do the majority of Canadian travelers visit, when they come down to the States? Not including border areas. I would imagine the left coast and NYC.
 
2013-01-09 03:54:28 PM
Sales tax is 8.75% here, so what I normally do is double the tax, then round up to the next dollar (Because I like to see nice round numbers on my credit card statement)

Went to dinner with a very large group on Saturday, and the restaurant imposed an 18% tip by default. Still did my normal tipping on top of that because frankly, they put up with nearly 20 people, got our orders in a timely fashion, and kept up with drinks and such the whole time.

If you're going to go out to eat, don't be a cheap ass about it.
 
2013-01-09 03:55:01 PM

Kazrath: Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?

In Rome near the pantheon you will pay just shy of 10 bucks for a can of coke.


If I'm paying more than a couple bucks for a beverage it better have alcohol in it.
 
2013-01-09 03:55:21 PM
*sigh, this again*

Ok, once again... you do NOT make $2.13/hour. If you don't get enough tips to bump you up to minimum wage, your employer has to compensate you. This is the law in ALL states. If you have been paid less than $2.13/hour, then you got screwed and didn't know your rights, which is probably why you're a waiter/waitress to begin with.

If I do badly at my job, I get fired. In fact, every job in the world works this way, except for waitstaff. Just pay waiters like you do every other single employee in the restaurant. If they do a bad job they are fired. Why in the fark should this be different for waitstaff?
 
2013-01-09 03:55:37 PM

meat0918: Lando Lincoln: litespeed74: I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

I'm 100% sure that they do not have a problem with it.

As a former barista, no, they do not have a problem with it.

Even with a tip jar, we were lucky to get tips at all.


Pay with cash, change goes in jar. It's not that farking hard. I do this when I pick up my red eye every morning, and the barristas know me by name, and usually have my redeye waiting for me as soon as they see me coming. Good service begets tipping begets better service.
 
2013-01-09 03:55:54 PM
Speaking of tipping, have you seen the latest Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon?

Joe Biden is an awesome tipper.

Look here:  Tom

Is Tom the Dancing Bug the same person as Tom Toles or Tom Tomorrow? I get those guys confused quite a lot.
 
2013-01-09 03:56:11 PM

sigdiamond2000: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.


Seeing as how the tip comes after the meal, if there was shiat in my food, then I was right to not tip you.
 
2013-01-09 03:56:37 PM

whistleridge: freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.

McDonald's workers aren't allowed to accept tips, and if they are caught doing so anyway it's grounds for termination. Or at least that was the case when I worked there in the late 90's.




You are aware that one of those two also makes at least min wage, while the other may not right?
 
2013-01-09 03:57:16 PM

stonicus: *sigh, this again*

Ok, once again... you do NOT make $2.13/hour. If you don't get enough tips to bump you up to minimum wage, your employer has to compensate you. This is the law in ALL states. If you have been paid less than $2.13/hour, then you got screwed and didn't know your rights, which is probably why you're a waiter/waitress to begin with.

If I do badly at my job, I get fired. In fact, every job in the world works this way, except for waitstaff. Just pay waiters like you do every other single employee in the restaurant. If they do a bad job they are fired. Why in the fark should this be different for waitstaff?


Right, because a waitress only making 2.13/hr can afford to take them to court. Makes sense to me.
 
2013-01-09 03:57:34 PM

JFarker131: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes

This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


Posting this and your user name on Facebook. You deserve to be arrested you sick fark.
 
2013-01-09 04:00:23 PM

Raharu: whistleridge: freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.

McDonald's workers aren't allowed to accept tips, and if they are caught doing so anyway it's grounds for termination. Or at least that was the case when I worked there in the late 90's.

You are aware that one of those two also makes at least min wage, while the other may not right?


A call to your states Attorney's General office is free.
 
2013-01-09 04:01:25 PM

dickfreckle: While on the subject of payment, why is that men are more than happy to buy dinner (you'll buy it next week, Jim will get it the following week, etc) but women shriek when an iced tea was accidentally placed on their check, which was split 7 ways and you had to ignore all your other tables to it? I understand this is not a 100% accurate depiction, but it's definitely the norm.


i don't know. with some of my friends, we have many year long running unwritten tallies of who owes what to whom. like, he bought all my beers, but then i beat him at poker (we didn't put cash on the table), then that darts bet, then you came to visit over the weekend and paid for our dinner, and i paid for some drinks, you gave me a ride to the airport, i helped you move, and etc etc etc, such that it is almost always known precisely who is paying for what and when were are paying for ourselves. the last thing i ever worry about with friends is who is going to pay, because it always washes out in time.

the womenfolk on the other hand, tend to be much more inclined to split tabs and make an issue to make sure all's fair. perhaps women have a more quantitative notion of fair play, while men have a more qualitative notion of fair play. or something about complex bartering and accounting centers in the brain. who knows, but I've noticed a similar correlation.

though, not so much when it's mixed parties, more so when it's just the womenfolk going out on their own.

come to think of it, i think i have the correlation all wrong. men usually only hang out with their friends, or with people where the hierarchy is clearly defined (boss/employee, father/son, etc). women regularly hang out with people who claim to be their friends but seem to spend more time treating each other like shiat. i would probably be careful with money too, if i didn't like half the people i hung out with.

/ probably came off as sexist, but why do so many women spend so much time with other women that they don't seem to like very much?
 
2013-01-09 04:02:11 PM
My "complete idiot's" guide to tipping...

First of all, if you don't want to tip...eat at home or go to a buffet.

Bad service = 10% of the bill - You can find this by moving the decimal point one digit to the left on your bill. For example if your bill is $20.00 and the server sucked (not the kitchen mind you but the server) then tip $2. No, it;s not the servers fault that your steak was cooked incorrectly you miserably stupid idiot so you needn't punish them for it by tipping them poorly.

Average service = 15% of the bill This is standard. Move the decimal one point to the left then add half. $20.00->$2->$3

*Good service = 20% of total bill - Move decimal one to the lft and double that. $20.00->$2.00->$4

*note- this is not the maximum. You may tip as much as you like over this percentage.

One would think that this process would be ridiculously easy for every mature adult to understand. I worked in restaurants for 10 years and it never ceased to amaze me how many people don't understand this. If this system is too difficult for you then you are either a jerk or a moran (sic) and you should stay home.  Now I work in an office and I don't go to lunch with my co-workers because it's embarrassing. They leave shiat tips and balk at my "outrageous" 20% tips.
 
2013-01-09 04:02:12 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: ThurmanMerman: Why is it those "disgruntled food worker does something disgusting to obnoxious customer's food" stories always end with some variation of "And the customer said it was the best he'd ever eaten"?

Because cum is f*cking delicious.


Right? Normally, I have to pay extra for that.
 
2013-01-09 04:04:04 PM

Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?


No, it comes on a stippers ass like coke normaly does.
An aquarium of coke (known as a 'Belushi Special') is really only avaliable on major holidays, as it rather expensive to prepare and keep in stock.
 
2013-01-09 04:04:22 PM

Carn: But if you are paying that much for a beer, you hope it's a place like RFD where you can get something nice and not 930 club where it's now like $7 for a Yuengling.


Yeah it depends on where you go.  I don't go out too much anymore (no time with school and trying to save all my moneys), but when I do, it's usually for a rugby match at Fado - $6 gets me a Smithwick's.  I am ok with that.
 
2013-01-09 04:05:57 PM

DeltaPunch: That's the type of thing I'd do as a 13-year old skateboard-toting stoner who wanted a milkshake from Friendly's but only had the exact change in his pocket, so hey, why not "fight the system" while you're at it and have a laugh?

That anyone over the age of 13 and not stoned off their ass would do this intentionally is mind boggling.

/also, I've never done anything like that
//worst case was ordering only waters and getting a bill for $0.00
///we still left a tip


Yes well we don't call them 1%ers for nothing.
 
2013-01-09 04:06:19 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.


That's not fair. We're just 25 years behind you on the curve.

The Great Gatsby Curve.

Zing! Zoom! Right over your head!
 
2013-01-09 04:06:45 PM

stonicus:
If I do badly at my job, I get fired. In fact, every job in the world works this way, except for waitstaff.


I hosted for a while at a super fancy French restaurant in high school, and I was present for a number of awkward firings when wait staff and busboys weren't cutting it. Not every restaurant works like [whatever restaurants you go to with shiatty staff that don't get fired for doing a bad job]
 
2013-01-09 04:06:45 PM

stonicus: Raharu: whistleridge: freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.

McDonald's workers aren't allowed to accept tips, and if they are caught doing so anyway it's grounds for termination. Or at least that was the case when I worked there in the late 90's.

You are aware that one of those two also makes at least min wage, while the other may not right?

A call to your states Attorney's General office is free.


At BK I was tipped once and told not pocket it at the register, since it would appear I was stealing from the register.

It wasn't that we were not allowed to accept them by official rules, it was just that they'd had a problem in the past with someone stealing from the till and claiming it was a tip
 
2013-01-09 04:07:08 PM

scubamage: meat0918: Lando Lincoln: litespeed74: I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

I'm 100% sure that they do not have a problem with it.

As a former barista, no, they do not have a problem with it.

Even with a tip jar, we were lucky to get tips at all.

Pay with cash, change goes in jar. It's not that farking hard. I do this when I pick up my red eye every morning, and the barristas know me by name, and usually have my redeye waiting for me as soon as they see me coming. Good service begets tipping begets better service.


I don't carry cash on me, and on the rare occasion I DO get coffee out, it is a black drip coffee.  I don't really see a need to tip on that - it is almost no work.
 
2013-01-09 04:07:10 PM

robohobo: mrshowrules: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

This is always overstated.  The truth is that Americans tip slightly better than Canadians on average.  Studies support this (British and Japanese tourists are also very good).  Canadian waitresses get a slightly higher base salary than American servers.  Also, the type tourists you get travelling to Florida/Orlando are not typical of the majority of Canadian travelers and they skew the stats unfairly (make us look bad).

/generous Canadian tipper

Where do the majority of Canadian travelers visit, when they come down to the States? Not including border areas. I would imagine the left coast and NYC.


I just said it, Florida.  Border towns, Las Vegas, DC, New York also but up to a million Canadians especially from Quebec but also Ontario, travel to Miami, Orlando and other parts of Florida every year.

You are getting a huge number of backwards French townsfolk that have never traveled anywhere in Canada or even outside their little neck of the woods, who are flying south for the sun.  Many of these people barely eat out in their local towns other than fast food place.  They are structurally shiatty tippers and not very classy.  Not indicative of the average Canadian.  Also, older people (in general) are shiatty tippers and those are also the Canadians more likely to travel south in winter.  Younger Canadians pick more exotic US, Carriean and international destinations.

Most Canadians tip between 15% and 20%.  Most American tourist coming to Canada, are very good at tipping.  They deserve recognition for this.  Of course, there are horror stories/exceptions to every generality.
 
2013-01-09 04:08:50 PM

Carn: My rule is a dollar per beer unless the beers start going over $5, in which case revert to normal percentages. But if the beers are that pricey most of the time I run a tab. Easier to do the math once.


My rule for beer is to tip generously based on Binghamton prices. If someone wants to charge me $10 for a glass of beer, I'm not going to give them extra gratuity for the privilege of being boned. You're getting the same spare change as you would if my beer was $4.

I'd consider that a dick move if I tipped that way for food, but as many people already observed, serving a beer is not like serving food.
 
2013-01-09 04:09:37 PM
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Tipping is a scam. It is a scam on the employees and on the customers. The only one who makes out is the business owner. Lets use the example of a waiter :

The Waiter gets scammed- they have no real base wage, no way to know how much money they will make any given week. They may get a lot of good tables, and make $1000, or they may get a lot of bad tables and make $100. With their income being so variable, they have no way to plan expenses. Also, the waiter thinks they can under-report their tips to the IRS and keep more money, but the IRS ain't stupid.

The Customer gets scammed- they see low food prices and order a meal, only to be expected to pay far above and beyond the posted price. If they refuse to pay extra, there is the threat (actually voiced by many waiters on Fark threads such as this one!) that the waiter will tamper with their food, or at the very least provide poor service.

The restaurant owner, on the other hand,
-gets to pay his waiters shiat wages (= more money in his pocket)
-gets to offload any personnel problems onto the customers ('I don't have to discipline the waiters, the customers will just not tip the bad ones')
-gets to hire fewer waiters, and spin this as 'an opportunity to earn more tips' (= more money in his pocket)
-Gets to advertise lower prices (because he has low payroll), thus increasing business (= more money in his pocket) and making the waiters work harder (more ''opportunity ')


The solution is simple- eliminate tipping and pay waiters a fair wage. (What that fair wage would be depends on circumstances, just like any other job- you pay enough to get the people you need.)
 
2013-01-09 04:09:41 PM

halfof33: Sorry, I am in a bit of a rush, as it is my anniversary and I'm taking the wife out tonight to a fancy dinner so I really need a fast answer.


Its not that long. Just use a word processor, and type it out verbatim, and print in Comic Sans font.


It'll leave the correct impression.
 
2013-01-09 04:10:59 PM

MythDragon: Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?

No, it comes on a stippers ass like coke normaly does.
An aquarium of coke (known as a 'Belushi Special') is really only avaliable on major holidays, as it rather expensive to prepare and keep in stock.


haha then it's a good deal!
 
2013-01-09 04:11:23 PM

PrivateCaboose: thecpt: Lollipop165: From what I understand, minimum wage for a bartender is actually LOWER than minimun wage for a fast food worker because of tips. So, you tip the bartender.

When paying cash, is a dollar every beer fair? Like seriously, they fill my beer for about 12 seconds and i'm not seeking advice or anything.

bartenders often carry attitude and I have no clue why. I carry money and I'm not a cute girl so I already paid the cover. I get tight with tips in those situations.

/I tip regularly everywhere else

A dollar a drink is the reasonable norm.  For me, it depends on whether I have cash or open a tab.  In DC, most beers are $6 or $7 (yes, yes, I know, it's crazy).  If I pay cash, it's a buck a beer.  If I open a tab, it's 20% on the total unless the bartender was an asshole who ignored me (happens from time to time).  It's just more convenient to leave a dollar than to fiddle with coins.  If a drink ends up costing $6.50 or something, I leave a dollar and the change.


Back about 10 years ago when I went to club/bars my strategy was to carry a variety of smaller bills and "tip the change" ($3.50 shooter or drink special? pay with a five. $8 for a couple drinks or a "rail" drink? give him the ten. a twenty for anything over $14-15 etc)  I found that this strategy kept me not only VERY promptly served even when there was a crowd around the bar, but made me the recipient of stronger drinks and many, many, free drinks
 
2013-01-09 04:11:23 PM
I am also loving the 'biatch wore a short tip and asked for it" comments.

/Let's just call it what it is.
//Food rapist.
 
2013-01-09 04:11:31 PM

Carn: Kazrath: Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?

In Rome near the pantheon you will pay just shy of 10 bucks for a can of coke.

If I'm paying more than a couple bucks for a beverage it better have alcohol in it.


VINCENT: You don't put bourbon in it or anything?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-09 04:11:59 PM

Carn: MythDragon: Carn: tinyarena: [img707.imageshack.us image 270x320]

$10 for a coke?! Did it come in an aquarium?

No, it comes on a stippers ass like coke normaly does.
An aquarium of coke (known as a 'Belushi Special') is really only avaliable on major holidays, as it rather expensive to prepare and keep in stock.

haha then it's a good deal!


Belushi once staged an intervention for Carrie Fischer and HER coke habit.

/TMYK
 
2013-01-09 04:13:45 PM

netizencain: sigdiamond2000: Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, that sounds felonious.

It sounds like made-up bullsh*t.

Ya... I agree.  This is fake.


THIS or THIT
 
2013-01-09 04:13:48 PM
You know what is really sad about these assholes? They don't even realize they are still not paying their "fair share" of taxes. Nobody in the United States is paying their "fair share" of taxes and you won't be until there is no deficit.

It does not matter if we get to where tax revenue covers government expenditures through reduction in spending or increasing of taxes. Until that equilibrium is achieved all of us are not paying our "fair share". Not when the government has to borrow over a trillion dollars a year to cover expenditures.
 
2013-01-09 04:18:00 PM
Yeah guy in the article's a dick.

But about tipping: Anyone else get annoyed when a carry out place has a place on the credit card receipt for a tip? I order at the counter, pay, take the food home. Where does a tip come into play here?
 
2013-01-09 04:18:11 PM

fredklein: [ohlookitsthisthreadagain.jpg]

Tipping is a scam. It is a scam on the employees and on the customers. The only one who makes out is the business owner. Lets use the example of a waiter :

The Waiter gets scammed- they have no real base wage, no way to know how much money they will make any given week. They may get a lot of good tables, and make $1000, or they may get a lot of bad tables and make $100. With their income being so variable, they have no way to plan expenses. Also, the waiter thinks they can under-report their tips to the IRS and keep more money, but the IRS ain't stupid.

The Customer gets scammed- they see low food prices and order a meal, only to be expected to pay far above and beyond the posted price. If they refuse to pay extra, there is the threat (actually voiced by many waiters on Fark threads such as this one!) that the waiter will tamper with their food, or at the very least provide poor service.

The restaurant owner, on the other hand,
-gets to pay his waiters shiat wages (= more money in his pocket)
-gets to offload any personnel problems onto the customers ('I don't have to discipline the waiters, the customers will just not tip the bad ones')
-gets to hire fewer waiters, and spin this as 'an opportunity to earn more tips' (= more money in his pocket)
-Gets to advertise lower prices (because he has low payroll), thus increasing business (= more money in his pocket) and making the waiters work harder (more ''opportunity ')


The solution is simple- eliminate tipping and pay waiters a fair wage. (What that fair wage would be depends on circumstances, just like any other job- you pay enough to get the people you need.)


I'm familiar with this movie scene.  Seriously though, I am a generous tipper but tipping is a scam.  It should be eliminated as follows:

1) bill should include automatic gratuity (15% or whatever).  The point is that the customer pays it and it goes to the waiter
2) after many years, start including the gratuity cost in the menu prices themselves
3) more dignified/higher wages servers and servers provide good service out of a sense of pride instead of trying to weasel for more tips
4) you can still provide tips for exception service to the restaurant manager at the end of a large function independent of any type of percentage of the tab
 
2013-01-09 04:19:03 PM

Minus 1 Charisma: Bad service = 10% of the bill - You can find this by moving the decimal point one digit to the left on your bill. For example if your bill is $20.00 and the server sucked (not the kitchen mind you but the server) then tip $2. No, it;s not the servers fault that your steak was cooked incorrectly you miserably stupid idiot so you needn't punish them for it by tipping them poorly.


Why on earth should anyone ever pay for bad service? Would you pay full price for a bad haircut? This is the problem with some servers, they think that they are entitled to a tip no matter what they do or how little attention they give to their customers. Sorry, a tip should be an incentive for the server to pay attention to their customers. I've had great service and I've had really, really bad service. If a steak is cooked incorrectly then that's why the server should be checking on the table a few minutes after the food is served to make sure that everything is ok and to fix the problem if it isn't, that is good service. If you have to call them over to fix it then it's not "Good service" but it is the fault of the server for not being on their toes and attending to their customers needs.
 
2013-01-09 04:19:04 PM

PrivateCaboose: scubamage: meat0918: Lando Lincoln: litespeed74: I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

I'm 100% sure that they do not have a problem with it.

As a former barista, no, they do not have a problem with it.

Even with a tip jar, we were lucky to get tips at all.

Pay with cash, change goes in jar. It's not that farking hard. I do this when I pick up my red eye every morning, and the barristas know me by name, and usually have my redeye waiting for me as soon as they see me coming. Good service begets tipping begets better service.

I don't carry cash on me, and on the rare occasion I DO get coffee out, it is a black drip coffee.  I don't really see a need to tip on that - it is almost no work.


"Almost no work" != "no work."
It's almost no work for you to make it yourself and put it in a thermos, and cheaper. If you're doing it daily, I really think you should give something. If it's a one off situation, i understand (I usually pay myself an allowance weekly, so I always have cash on hand).
 
2013-01-09 04:21:11 PM
Yeah, he should have just written "I'm a cheap asshole."

Same message, fewer words.
 
2013-01-09 04:22:24 PM

NateAsbestos: Yeah guy in the article's a dick.

But about tipping: Anyone else get annoyed when a carry out place has a place on the credit card receipt for a tip? I order at the counter, pay, take the food home. Where does a tip come into play here?


Our local frogurt shop has a tip jar AND a line on the receipt for a tip. And it's a self-serve place. Yeah.... not tipping you, sorry.
 
2013-01-09 04:23:33 PM

Xcott: Carn: My rule is a dollar per beer unless the beers start going over $5, in which case revert to normal percentages. But if the beers are that pricey most of the time I run a tab. Easier to do the math once.

My rule for beer is to tip generously based on Binghamton prices. If someone wants to charge me $10 for a glass of beer, I'm not going to give them extra gratuity for the privilege of being boned. You're getting the same spare change as you would if my beer was $4.

I'd consider that a dick move if I tipped that way for food, but as many people already observed, serving a beer is not like serving food.


Well you also have to figure in whether the bar is crowded or not. If you are a good tipper and you lay down a nice tip up front, you're gonna get those pricey beers faster than the other poor bastards at that bar.
 
2013-01-09 04:24:02 PM

scubamage: I usually pay myself an allowance weekly, so I always have cash on hand


That's either brilliant budgeting, or the weirdest farking thing I've ever heard.

Anyways, I feel guilty saying it but that's how I see bartenders who serve me. They literally lift one tap handle (exclusively beer when at a bar) for a couple seconds and turn around. Upthread it was confirmed that I tip the fair amount, but I feel the need to state how dumb it is. Yes I know their base salary depends on them getting tips (which is FARKED to begin with), so I just shut up and pay.

Do baristas have a reduced base salary? If not, then I wouldn't tip really.

/don't worry. I never buy coffee anyways so I'm not dicking anyone over to begin with.
 
2013-01-09 04:24:22 PM

PrivateCaboose: Carn: But if you are paying that much for a beer, you hope it's a place like RFD where you can get something nice and not 930 club where it's now like $7 for a Yuengling.

Yeah it depends on where you go.  I don't go out too much anymore (no time with school and trying to save all my moneys), but when I do, it's usually for a rugby match at Fado - $6 gets me a Smithwick's.  I am ok with that.


Yeah that's not bad.
 
2013-01-09 04:24:35 PM

Endive Wombat: But yeah, with any establishment  from restaurants to retail, to car sales, etc ...there are bad apples in the bunch


Except for when that establishment is a school. Their employees are all perfect little angels.
 
2013-01-09 04:26:45 PM
Tipping became something that was a "reward" for excellent service (which is exactly what a tip should be) to something now where cynically I say, "Why should it be mandated (culturally or otherwise) and I have to donate to this person just to cover The Darden Groups' lousy compensation? (P.S. Darden owns RedLobster, Olive Garden, Longhorn Steakhouse, amongst other restaurant brands).

Seriously one could view a tip as nothing but the restaurant industry bilking customers out of more dollars via their own practice of not paying a living wage. Other means the company screws both employees and customers alike include the recent cut of many entry-level positions to lower hours to LE 28 hours per week, the barrier which dictates whether the business has to give employees health insurance.

Lastly, when is putting X% extra on the tab, due to the company's unwillingness to pay health benefits a "tip" issue? The mandatory X% is certainly not a gratuity! And to imply it is constitutes a black lie.

So do we quit tipping because we're basically propping up a company's screwing of its own workforce? I could see the reduction in employee hours/pay may actually cause a REDUCTION in tipping as customers are "demanded" to "tip" increasingly and simply....rebel. People might get fed up as the "tip culture" gets more onerous on customers...and only pay "mandatory tips"...and the same consumers will then start to choose restaurants with the lowest "mandatory tip". So more businesses may actually go bankrupt by increasing their "tip fees" and chasing customers to churn in buckets.

Just an opinion.
 
2013-01-09 04:26:52 PM

scubamage: PrivateCaboose: scubamage: meat0918: Lando Lincoln: litespeed74: I'd like to tip every day but at some point even they would think its weird I tip EVERY TIME.

I'm 100% sure that they do not have a problem with it.

As a former barista, no, they do not have a problem with it.

Even with a tip jar, we were lucky to get tips at all.

Pay with cash, change goes in jar. It's not that farking hard. I do this when I pick up my red eye every morning, and the barristas know me by name, and usually have my redeye waiting for me as soon as they see me coming. Good service begets tipping begets better service.

I don't carry cash on me, and on the rare occasion I DO get coffee out, it is a black drip coffee.  I don't really see a need to tip on that - it is almost no work.

"Almost no work" != "no work."
It's almost no work for you to make it yourself and put it in a thermos, and cheaper. If you're doing it daily, I really think you should give something. If it's a one off situation, i understand (I usually pay myself an allowance weekly, so I always have cash on hand).


How is that different than the guy that gets me my McDonald's burger?  I am paying for the convenience of them getting me the coffee in the price of the coffee.  They are not making server wage.  I am not ordering something complicated.  I am not a regular attempting to get above and beyond service.  Most of the time, Starbucks employees are nothing more than basically civil.  There are occasions where I tip them, but every time I get a basic coffee?  C'mon.
 
2013-01-09 04:27:39 PM

thecpt: scubamage: I usually pay myself an allowance weekly, so I always have cash on hand

That's either brilliant budgeting, or the weirdest farking thing I've ever heard.

.


Not that weird. My wife and I both 'pay' ourselves allowances every week. Covers everything not in our standard budget. I don't generally spend all of mine. And THAT covers for when my wife overspends.
 
2013-01-09 04:29:34 PM

DS1970: Tipping became something that was a "reward" for excellent service (which is exactly what a tip should be) to something now where cynically I say, "Why should it be mandated (culturally or otherwise) and I have to donate to this person just to cover The Darden Groups' lousy compensation? (P.S. Darden owns RedLobster, Olive Garden, Longhorn Steakhouse, amongst other restaurant brands).

Seriously one could view a tip as nothing but the restaurant industry bilking customers out of more dollars via their own practice of not paying a living wage. Other means the company screws both employees and customers alike include the recent cut of many entry-level positions to lower hours to LE 28 hours per week, the barrier which dictates whether the business has to give employees health insurance.

Lastly, when is putting X% extra on the tab, due to the company's unwillingness to pay health benefits a "tip" issue? The mandatory X% is certainly not a gratuity! And to imply it is constitutes a black lie.

So do we quit tipping because we're basically propping up a company's screwing of its own workforce? I could see the reduction in employee hours/pay may actually cause a REDUCTION in tipping as customers are "demanded" to "tip" increasingly and simply....rebel. People might get fed up as the "tip culture" gets more onerous on customers...and only pay "mandatory tips"...and the same consumers will then start to choose restaurants with the lowest "mandatory tip". So more businesses may actually go bankrupt by increasing their "tip fees" and chasing customers to churn in buckets.

Just an opinion.


It isn't just the restaurants - it is institutionalized in the difference between "server wage" and "minimum wage."  If you want it changed, write your Congressman or your state officials, and VOTE to change it.  But don't just say "well the restaurants are the assholes" when it is sanctioned by the state and federal government.
 
2013-01-09 04:30:20 PM
If I owned a restaurant, I would have a strict "no tipping" policy. I wouldn't have waiters or waitresses. Or Equipment. Or food. I would give you a bill though.

Ah yes. It would be awesome.
 
2013-01-09 04:30:55 PM
Meh wife and I came into some cash a while ago and we went to a local restaurant and tipped the waitress a c-note on a 40 dollar meal. It wasn't till she came to thank us that we found out she had wrecked her car that night on the way to work. She cried, My wife cried etc etc. I will tell you what though we go to that restaurant and that waitress ensures she takes care of us, we get the same awesome service and she refuses to take over a 20% tip. You really shouldn't be a douche no matter what your politics are. You might just make someones day.
 
2013-01-09 04:31:01 PM

robohobo: thecpt: scubamage: I usually pay myself an allowance weekly, so I always have cash on hand

That's either brilliant budgeting, or the weirdest farking thing I've ever heard.

.

Not that weird. My wife and I both 'pay' ourselves allowances every week. Covers everything not in our standard budget. I don't generally spend all of mine. And THAT covers for when my wife overspends.


Mine is the envelope system - $50 a week for food (groceries and the like), $50 for entertainment, $25 in overflow money.  I just do it all digitally because I get sick Amazon points on my credit card - I love racking up free Amazon cash on stuff I already buy.
 
2013-01-09 04:32:47 PM
fark it. food is supposed to free in america now.
 
2013-01-09 04:35:08 PM
PrivateCaboose
I usually get hard liquor at the 930
it keeps me from having to hit the jon too much
and a good tip will keep them faily undiluted
 
2013-01-09 04:38:14 PM

PrivateCaboose: Mine is the envelope system - $50 a week for food (groceries and the like), $50 for entertainment, $25 in overflow money.  I just do it all digitally because I get sick Amazon points on my credit card - I love racking up free Amazon cash on stuff I already buy.


I don't understand people who don't do it digitally. No check book balancing and cash back rewards w00t!

But for some reason my mind pictured the ceremony of an allowance. Like "hey me, can I haz allowance?" "did you do your chores?"
":)"
 
2013-01-09 04:42:30 PM

thecpt: PrivateCaboose: Mine is the envelope system - $50 a week for food (groceries and the like), $50 for entertainment, $25 in overflow money.  I just do it all digitally because I get sick Amazon points on my credit card - I love racking up free Amazon cash on stuff I already buy.

I don't understand people who don't do it digitally. No check book balancing and cash back rewards w00t!

But for some reason my mind pictured the ceremony of an allowance. Like "hey me, can I haz allowance?" "did you do your chores?"
":)"


Sometimes I ask myself (not out loud) if I can buy something I will wind up needing that is available/a good price.  I am moving in April and then again in September, and will need more furnishings/nicer furnishings.  I am slowly buying them now, above and beyond my budget (I budget way less than I make - not racking up debt) as they present themselves.  I am annoyed though, because there was a bar cart I wanted that was in stock after I had purchased a dining set off Craigslist and a bookcase/shelf set off of Wayfair, and I made myself wait because that seemed like too much money all at once.  Now it's out of stock :(
 
2013-01-09 04:43:26 PM

Carn: If you are a good tipper and you lay down a nice tip up front, you're gonna get those pricey beers faster than the other poor bastards at that bar.


I wold prefer to go somewhere where you don't need to bribe the employees to do their jobs.

But that's just me.
 
2013-01-09 04:44:18 PM

Radioactive Ass: Why on earth should anyone ever pay for bad service?


Know how I know you've never worked in a restaurant?

I think tipping is weird. I don't know how eating out ever evolved into a server making their almost exclusively from tips but that's the way it is. You pay full price for virtually every other good or service regardless of the "service". When you get an oil change do you refuse to pay if it takes too long?
The fact is, that everyone has a crummy day at work sometimes. You should still tip 10% even if the service is bad because that's all they make, and that's just what you do. Even if you HATE your server. If they were the worst server ever I still don't think it justifies making them work for you for free.

You and I still get paid if we have a bad day at work, and I assure you, EVERYONE has bad days at work. this doesn't even take into account the things that people don't even consider that are completely out of a server's control like your boss saying "Amanda called in sick, so instead of having a 4 table section, tonight you have 8 tables." "8 tables?! I'll be way too insanely busy." "Well, too bad. Figure it out. Let me know if you want me to comp a dessert or something."

Furthemore, if a server is actually offering poor service on a consistent basis and it's not just a "bad day" then it catches up with them REALLY fast and they won't be serving for long, I assure you.
 
2013-01-09 04:52:23 PM

Raharu: This ones better.

[img198.imageshack.us image 310x800]


To bad the guy who made this can't spell atheist correctly.
 
2013-01-09 04:54:38 PM

fredklein: Carn: If you are a good tipper and you lay down a nice tip up front, you're gonna get those pricey beers faster than the other poor bastards at that bar.

I wold prefer to go somewhere where you don't need to bribe the employees to do their jobs.

But that's just me.


In other words, they are servants who should serve you and be quick about it! And if you fart in their general direction they should count themselves lucky that you hadn't recently indulged in rare cheeses!
 
2013-01-09 05:00:01 PM

allchiefedup: Raharu: This ones better.

[img198.imageshack.us image 310x800]

To bad the guy who made this can't spell atheist correctly.


Too bad I used the wrong to in my Boobies. ugh.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:40 PM

Wayne 985: JFarker131: talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce

No, you didn't.

he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.

No, he didn't.

[stewover.com image 480x360]


lulz
 
2013-01-09 05:02:12 PM
As long as we're in a tipping thread I just thought I'd mention my second-hand tipping-related CSB...

When Johnny Depp was in a nearby town to where I live filming scenes for "Public Enemies" he went out to eat at a local restaurant in which a girl I know worked a bartender. She said he was super-nice to everyone, signed autographs and even took pics w anyone that asked.

Oh and he tipped his waitress $4,000 on a ~$100 tab.

What a swell guy.
 
2013-01-09 05:02:34 PM

PrivateCaboose: Sometimes I ask myself (not out loud) if I can buy something I will wind up needing that is available/a good price.  I am moving in April and then again in September, and will need more furnishings/nicer furnishings.  I am slowly buying them now, above and beyond my budget (I budget way less than I make - not racking up debt) as they present themselves.  I am annoyed though, because there was a bar cart I wanted that was in stock after I had purchased a dining set off Craigslist and a bookcase/shelf set off of Wayfair, and I made myself wait because that seemed like too much money all at once.  Now it's out of stock :(


My approach is what I call the mode approach. Two modes: spending and saving. In spending mode I figure out what I have needed or desired and go out and get/do it. This mode is roughly three times a year for maybe 3 total weeks. The rest of the time i'm in saving mode when I simply don't think about buying anything outside of the norm (like groceries, beer, the occasional movie, beer).

Works pretty well for me, and creates awesome rainy day funds. However, moving is always more expensive than I plan for. Good luck with doing that twice this year. Movers are never worth it!
 
2013-01-09 05:06:14 PM

Carn: In other words, they are servants who should serve you and be quick about it!


No- they are not "servants"- they are employees. And their employer, in the interest of getting and keeping customers, wants them to do their job. Which, in this case, means serving me and being quick about it.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:18 PM

fredklein: Carn: In other words, they are servants who should serve you and be quick about it!

No- they are not "servants"- they are employees. And their employer, in the interest of getting and keeping customers, wants them to do their job. Which, in this case, means serving me and being quick about it.


Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers. If you're known to be a bad tipper, that's the price you pay. If somebody comes in who they know is a good tipper, you're going to the back of the line for service.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:13 PM

robohobo: mrshowrules: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

This is always overstated.  The truth is that Americans tip slightly better than Canadians on average.  Studies support this (British and Japanese tourists are also very good).  Canadian waitresses get a slightly higher base salary than American servers.  Also, the type tourists you get travelling to Florida/Orlando are not typical of the majority of Canadian travelers and they skew the stats unfairly (make us look bad).

/generous Canadian tipper

Where do the majority of Canadian travelers visit, when they come down to the States? Not including border areas. I would imagine the left coast and NYC.

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It's like the gift that keeps on giving. I reckon I filled the boat with that one. And I wasn't even trying.
 
2013-01-09 05:10:17 PM

fredklein: Carn: In other words, they are servants who should serve you and be quick about it!

No- they are not "servants"- they are employees. And their employer, in the interest of getting and keeping customers, wants them to do their job. Which, in this case, means serving me and being quick about it.


Well, yes. But generally it is also understood that they are paid a shiat wage but if they work hard, their customers will reward that effort. Not look down their noses at them and treat them as sub-humans. If you don't tip at a bar, you shouldn't be at a bar. Go buy a sixer and stay home.
 
2013-01-09 05:10:29 PM

thecpt: PrivateCaboose: Sometimes I ask myself (not out loud) if I can buy something I will wind up needing that is available/a good price.  I am moving in April and then again in September, and will need more furnishings/nicer furnishings.  I am slowly buying them now, above and beyond my budget (I budget way less than I make - not racking up debt) as they present themselves.  I am annoyed though, because there was a bar cart I wanted that was in stock after I had purchased a dining set off Craigslist and a bookcase/shelf set off of Wayfair, and I made myself wait because that seemed like too much money all at once.  Now it's out of stock :(

My approach is what I call the mode approach. Two modes: spending and saving. In spending mode I figure out what I have needed or desired and go out and get/do it. This mode is roughly three times a year for maybe 3 total weeks. The rest of the time i'm in saving mode when I simply don't think about buying anything outside of the norm (like groceries, beer, the occasional movie, beer).

Works pretty well for me, and creates awesome rainy day funds. However, moving is always more expensive than I plan for. Good luck with doing that twice this year. Movers are never worth it!


Even while spending and purchasing furniture, I still have plenty to save this month.  And I have never hired movers.  My parents are amazing and have always offered to come help me move.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:15 PM

fredklein: Carn: In other words, they are servants who should serve you and be quick about it!

No- they are not "servants"- they are employees. And their employer, in the interest of getting and keeping customers, wants them to do their job. Which, in this case, means serving me and being quick about it.


The part I think you're overlooking is that he didn't say shiatty tippers wouldn't get served, he said they wouldn't get served as fast at a full bar with other nicer tippers. This is human nature, I don't know why you would expect employees to sprint around for some cheapskate out of obligation to an employer that pays them chicken scratch when someone else is giving them $2 a glass.

I don't have anything against saying "get a better job" either, but SOMEONE is gonna be behind that bar. Tell the owner of the bar to pay the employees better if you don't want to tip them to serve you faster, and he will if he's truly about getting and keeping customers as you suggest. If, instead, 90% of customers just pay the tip and you're the minority, you might need to adjust your irritation.

Or don't go to bars I spose.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:35 PM

natas6.0: PrivateCaboose
I usually get hard liquor at the 930
it keeps me from having to hit the jon too much
and a good tip will keep them faily undiluted


Ugh, you just reminded me of the pisser in the old 9:30. Down that dark dank stairway. Of course, at times actually going down the stairs to piss was optional, judging by the smell and slipperyness of the stairwell...
 
2013-01-09 05:15:57 PM

PrivateCaboose: Even while spending and purchasing furniture, I still have plenty to save this month.  And I have never hired movers.  My parents are amazing and have always offered to come help me move.


Nice.
I did movers once. They biatched about everything, and they were just moving select heavy furniture (bed, tables, couch kind of stuff). Sounds like you're good to go though. Sorry about the bar cart.
 
2013-01-09 05:16:19 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: robohobo: mrshowrules: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

This is always overstated.  The truth is that Americans tip slightly better than Canadians on average.  Studies support this (British and Japanese tourists are also very good).  Canadian waitresses get a slightly higher base salary than American servers.  Also, the type tourists you get travelling to Florida/Orlando are not typical of the majority of Canadian travelers and they skew the stats unfairly (make us look bad).

/generous Canadian tipper

Where do the majority of Canadian travelers visit, when they come down to the States? Not including border areas. I would imagine the left coast and NYC.
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It's like the gift that keeps on giving. I reckon I filled the boat with that one. And I wasn't even trying.


Yes. Because racial profiling is hilarious. Canadians also like their steak cooked well done, they always want a straw, and they always order the sweetest drink on the list. Any other tired stereotypes you want to list?
 
2013-01-09 05:16:26 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Yeah, he should have just written "I'm a cheap asshole."

Same message, fewer words.


It should read, "I'm a cheap asshole that listens to way too much talk radio."
 
2013-01-09 05:18:53 PM

brantgoose: Speaking of tipping, have you seen the latest Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon?

Joe Biden is an awesome tipper.

Look here:  Tom

Is Tom the Dancing Bug the same person as Tom Toles or Tom Tomorrow? I get those guys confused quite a lot.


live.drjays.com
 
2013-01-09 05:19:19 PM
What a farking asshole. Anyone who would do something like this is an asshole in other areas of their life, and they usually get bitten in the ass at some point. I hope Mr. Righteous loses everything and has to take a job where he relies on the kindness of strangers to tip well so he can pay rent that month.
 
2013-01-09 05:19:25 PM

whistleridge: Lt. Cheese Weasel: robohobo: mrshowrules: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

This is always overstated.  The truth is that Americans tip slightly better than Canadians on average.  Studies support this (British and Japanese tourists are also very good).  Canadian waitresses get a slightly higher base salary than American servers.  Also, the type tourists you get travelling to Florida/Orlando are not typical of the majority of Canadian travelers and they skew the stats unfairly (make us look bad).

/generous Canadian tipper

Where do the majority of Canadian travelers visit, when they come down to the States? Not including border areas. I would imagine the left coast and NYC.
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It's like the gift that keeps on giving. I reckon I filled the boat with that one. And I wasn't even trying.

Yes. Because racial profiling is hilarious. Canadians also like their steak cooked well done, they always want a straw, and they always order the sweetest drink on the list. Any other tired stereotypes you want to list?


Given how much stereotyping of Americans occurs on Fark and, oh, EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD, I don't know why this surprises you.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:27 PM
Oh, and add me to the list of people calling out the douche handing out Ayn Rand-style Chick tracts.
 
2013-01-09 05:30:00 PM
Gonna need a bigger boat.
 
2013-01-09 05:36:15 PM

miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.


Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:38 PM

Carn: But generally it is also understood that they are paid a shiat wage but if they work hard, their customers will reward that effort.


And I think that's wrong. What should 'generally be understood' is that employees earn an appropriate wage from their employer. Like in every other field. And almost every other country on the globe.
 
2013-01-09 05:40:09 PM

fredklein: Carn: But generally it is also understood that they are paid a shiat wage but if they work hard, their customers will reward that effort.

And I think that's wrong. What should 'generally be understood' is that employees earn an appropriate wage from their employer. Like in every other field. And almost every other country on the globe.


So, you are denying that tipping exists in America, and that it is a commonly used and understood system? Never mind how you think the world should be, are you saying that tipping is not currently used as a form of compensation?
 
2013-01-09 05:42:30 PM

Electromax: I don't know why you would expect employees to sprint around for some cheapskate out of obligation to an employer that pays them chicken scratch when someone else is giving them $2 a glass.


Well, if tipping were eliminated, then waiters (for example) wouldn't make "chicken scratch"- they'd make a fair wage. And, if they want to keep the job, then they will "sprint around" if that is what the job requires. ...Just like every other job out there.
 
2013-01-09 05:48:47 PM

fredklein: Electromax: I don't know why you would expect employees to sprint around for some cheapskate out of obligation to an employer that pays them chicken scratch when someone else is giving them $2 a glass.

Well, if tipping were eliminated, then waiters (for example) wouldn't make "chicken scratch"- they'd make a fair wage. And, if they want to keep the job, then they will "sprint around" if that is what the job requires. ...Just like every other job out there.


I don't fully understand some people's problem with a tip based system. It is not more expensive (if the employer paid a static wage that was competitive, the cost would just be passed to the consumer). Removing it removes a form of very direct and effective feedback.

I get that other systems can also work, but some people seem to think that just because there are alternatives, this system should be scrapped. Never have understood that logic.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:22 PM

fredklein: Electromax: I don't know why you would expect employees to sprint around for some cheapskate out of obligation to an employer that pays them chicken scratch when someone else is giving them $2 a glass.

Well, if tipping were eliminated, then waiters (for example) wouldn't make "chicken scratch"- they'd make a fair wage. And, if they want to keep the job, then they will "sprint around" if that is what the job requires. ...Just like every other job out there.


Sure, I won't argue that. The problem is that big IF hanging out there. I mostly meant, don't expect people right now to behave according to the rules you'd prefer to have in place instead. I have no issue with what you suggest, but until then tips just get you better service.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:14 PM

fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets.


If only someone could invent a way to detect such problems. Like keeping track of both income and expenditures in books or something, looking for unwarranted deviations from expectations. They could call it keepbooking or something.

Of course it wouldn't be able to detect errors if error in favor of good tippers was somehow offset by surpluses from watered down drinks given to known douches.

But that would never happen.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:29 PM

PrivateCaboose: Given how much stereotyping of Americans self-congratulation

 occurs on Fark and, oh, EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD, I don't know why this surprises you.

Surprise, no. Mildly annoy, yes.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:44 PM
I can't stand people who get all worked up about what places to tip, what amount, 25% if she brings my class of coke within 94 seconds, 33.7% if she laughs at one of my shiat jokes etc etc. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. So boring, just sit down and enjoy your meal you moron.

Whatever service I get I just leave 10% at restaurants and if that's not considered good enough then I honestly couldn't really give a fark. Hotels, pizza delivery guys, taxi drivers, bar staff etc can all get farked, I don't see why I should have to give any of those guys any extra. It's not that I can't afford to leave a bigger tip it's just that I honestly don't care. The whole tipping culture is complete bullshiat when you spend more than 30 seconds thinking about it. My grandad worked in a coal mine and nobody ever tipped him. I've worked shiatty jobs before but because they weren't in a restaurant nobody tipped me.

I know you guys like to think that the cute waitress you just tipped 50% thinks you're really impressive and rich and cool but in reality she's probably thinking "what a farking mark." People like to tip that much to boost their ego ("look at what I can afford to give the poor waitress! Are you impressed?!") You might as well ruffle the waiters hair on your way out. And if a waiter would tamper with somebodies food over a few dollars then they don't deserve a tip in the first place from anybody.
 
2013-01-09 06:03:00 PM

MycroftHolmes: Never mind how you think the world should be, are you saying that tipping is not currently used as a form of compensation?


Tipping IS "currently used as a form of compensation".

I think it should not be. I think waiters (for example) should be paid a fair wage instead.

But, quite frankly, I DO tip when I go out to eat, or order food to be delivered. I do it because it is expected, not because I agree with it. And because of stuff like this:

JFarker131 [TotalFark] 2013-01-09 10:11:38 AM
This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.


... just to pick the first (of many) in this thread. People who think it's okay to tamper with a customers food, simply because the customer doesn't bribe them sufficiently. I mean, if the cashier at Whole Foods posted saying "I just deliberately assaulted a customer because they didn't just hand me 10%.15%.20% of their total", you'd think him nuts.
 
2013-01-09 06:11:12 PM
I like how so many people are assuming that the "tip" in TFA was left by a guy. Even TFA has no qualms about being sexist.

There's caring about politics, and there's... that: a guy - obviously, a guy - refusing to tip a server at a restaurant because of tax policy.
 
2013-01-09 06:16:50 PM

fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.


Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.
 
2013-01-09 06:22:24 PM

Grobbley: fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.


I don't know if it is intentional or not, but I am also much more inclined to be a repeat customer at a bar where I am treated to the occasional courtesy like this. A bar or bartender who recognizes and takes care of regulars is going to do financially better in the long run, well beyond the cost of whatever freebies were given out.
 
2013-01-09 06:30:57 PM

sure haven't: jbezorg: Rapmaster2000: TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service.  It comes from an Old English term from around 800.  That's why I don't tip unless I receive exceptional service.  If you want to make real money then you need to work out an arrangement with your boss.  Don't make me pay the wages you should demand on your own.  You know, in Europe where I go very often for business, they don't have any tips and the service is outstanding.

Snopes - Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance." Status: False.

Also, the word would be "Ensure", not "Insure"


Where's Bob the Angry Flower when you need 'em?
 
2013-01-09 06:42:14 PM

Grobbley: fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.


My brother in law had to tolerate some douche in his bar who was annoying just about everyone (but not quite enough to get kicked out).  Late in the evening said douche said, "make me the most bad-ass drink you can."  He got the drip mat contents on the rocks.
 
2013-01-09 07:12:47 PM

Grobbley: Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance.


The allowance is there in case they spill something, not to allow them to give the product away. An employer may allow employees to punch in to work up to 5 minutes past their scheduled time, but an employee who ALWAYS punches in 5 minutes late is taking advantage of it. Employers allow a certain number of sick days each year. But an employee who always takes the max number each year is taking advantage of it. A grocery store might calculate that a certain percentage of their product will end up spoiled and thrown away, but an employee who knows they haven't reached that amount yet, and gives food away it taking advantage of it.
 
2013-01-09 07:13:38 PM

MycroftHolmes: A bar or bartender who recognizes and takes care of regulars is going to do financially better in the long run


... if their customers are all or mostly 'regulars'.
 
2013-01-09 07:14:09 PM

fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.


It's a better customer from the perspective of the employee. You seem to think that everyone in the equation should be looking out for number one except the employee, who should treat everyone the same regardless of how those people treat them. Life doesn't work like that and never has.

And giving free items to repeat customers is pretty customary in lots and lots of field. For food service it might be less structured, but my credit card gives me free shiat for using their service, so does the local Starbucks, so does my grocery store, hell, even the liquor store I frequent has a rewards program. Restaurant and bar employers factor this into retaining customers just like banks, grocery chains, and any number of other industries do.
 
2013-01-09 07:19:24 PM

freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.


the one that makes less than minimum wage.
 
2013-01-09 07:24:47 PM

miscreant: You seem to think that everyone in the equation should be looking out for number one except the employee, who should treat everyone the same regardless of how those people treat them.


The employee should follow the rules the employer has set for them to follow. Generally, that means treating the customers nicely, no matter what the customers are like.

And giving free items to repeat customers is pretty customary in lots and lots of field. For food service it might be less structured, but my credit card gives me free shiat for using their service, so does the local Starbucks, so does my grocery store, hell, even the liquor store I frequent has a rewards program.

Those are all programs that the store has set up, not an employee giving away the owners stuff.
 
2013-01-09 07:27:57 PM

docbenspock: the one that makes less than minimum wage.


...they only make less then minimum wage BECAUSE you tip. it's a vicious circle. People start to tip, so employers get away with paying their employees less. So, employees are now dependent on the tips, rather than having them as a pleasant extra. So they start demanding more and more.
 
2013-01-09 07:36:06 PM

fredklein: The employee should follow the rules the employer has set for them to follow. Generally, that means treating the customers nicely, no matter what the customers are like.


They can treat you nicely, and still treat the customers who tip better. Just like the employee at walmart can actually walk you to the aisle to find the product you're looking for, or just send you in the general direction depending on how you choose to treat them. There is plenty of room to follow rules and still treat the people who are nicer to you better.

fredklein: Those are all programs that the store has set up, not an employee giving away the owners stuff.


I know a good number of bar owners, and although it's not necessarily a program they set up, they have no problem with good customers getting free drinks now and then. You might claim that those aren't the good customers since it's the employee getting the tip... but people who tip like crap often do it because they're not at the establishment enough for their reputation as a bad tipper to matter to them, and they are therefore not really customers an owner wants to cultivate.
 
2013-01-09 07:41:11 PM

PrivateCaboose: Cybernetic: If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Go to a damned drive thru instead.

Serious question - how much do you tip when you do an online order for takeout from a place like Nando's?


I have no idea what Nando's is. The only thing I order online is pizza, and for that I will generally tip the delivery driver a flat $5, which is usually at least 15% of the cost of the order--although if I had occasion to order a really huge amount of food (like for a party), I would tip more.

If I order takeout (like Chinese), where I order by phone, and then drive to the restaurant and pick it up, I generally don't tip, any more than I tip the person who hands me a Quarter Pounder through the window of a drive-thru.

When I eat in a restaurant, I generally tip 15%, usually rounded up to the next dollar or two. I have tipped up to 25% for exceptional service, and have on a couple of occasions tipped less for really horrible service, but it takes a lot to get me to that point. On one occasion, I had the manager of a restaurant pick up my bill because the kitchen had screwed up several things, and I still tipped the server 15% of the bill, because it wasn't her fault that things got screwed up, and I wasn't going to shaft her.

The guy who left the card pictured in TFA sat at a table, in a restaurant, was waited on, and then left that card instead of a tip, for someone who depends on tips for a significant portion of their income. IMHO, that's a dick move. If you can't afford that tip, you can't afford the meal.
 
2013-01-09 07:49:19 PM
I have worked in may food establishments, and while I have never seen anyone deliberately taint any food for a lousy customer, I have definitely heard "Where is the rest of this ticket!? SHE TIPS!" or "No hurry, she doesn't tip."

As for why the BOH staff doesn't get tips: While I would honestly say that I consider the kitchen work "harder", I would never begrudge the waitstaff their tips I have usually worked in places where the FOH people ended up making more money than cooks, but I also know that if I had to wait on people, there would be a line of bodies leading back to the kitchen.

(And there is a special place in hell for people who leave things like this as a tip. Especially those tracts that look like money but unfold to say that "God's love is no joke!" Neither is my fiery rage.)
 
2013-01-09 07:51:26 PM

xanadian: Ah, a tea-tard's calling card.


I tip 20-25%, sometimes higher. Duke University completed a study 2 years ago that showed Republicans and Libertarians donate more per capita to charities and civil services tips than Liberals. The belief they found is that Liberals demand it of others through government, so they can wash their own hands of actually showing an ounce of humility to someone else.

So how about you GFY.
 
2013-01-09 08:07:54 PM
farking servers. I'll give you a tip. The enormous mushroom shaped tip of my penis.
 
2013-01-09 08:49:09 PM

PrivateCaboose: mcreadyblue: PrivateCaboose: mcreadyblue: Radioactive Ass: California doesn't have a separate wage for food servers like most of the other states do ($8.00 an hour). As such the tips really are a gratuity for services rendered and shouldn't be used as a guilt tool to help boost the servers wage up to minimum wage like in most of the other states. The 15-20% rule shouldn't necessarily apply here the same way it does in say New York ($5.00 an hour) or Virginia ($2.13 an hour). If you're not tipping 15-20% of your bill in those states then you should feel bad because you're a bad person, In CA, NV, OR, or WA (all at or above minimum wage)... not so much.

I do tip but for me it really is a matter of service versus reasonable expectations as opposed to feeling like I'm being served by someone on slave wages and feeling guilty if I didn't leave at least 15% knowing that the IRS and the state tax board will still assume that I did and will dock their pay accordingly. I know plenty of waiters and waitresses out here that under report (by far) their tips and really don't pay their "Fair share" of taxes so I can kind of see where the customer is coming from.

That brings the question....why are the Chef's not tipped along with the waitstaff?

Because they aren't making waitserver minimum wage.  They make much more an hour.

Really? I thought Applebee's starts Chef's off at $12/hr?

My waitressing rate was $2.13 an hour.


When I waited tables I never made less than $20/hr, mostly tax free.

/cooking is sweaty work and never pays well
 
2013-01-09 08:56:24 PM

Fade2black: civil services tips


When you give extra money to a civil servant for a job well done it is typically known as a bribe, not a tip.
 
2013-01-09 08:57:14 PM

The Muthaship: freeforever: TIME TO CALL OUT THE HYPOCRITES:

WHO DO YOU TIP?

A) The McDonald's/Wendy's server who makes your frappucino, elaborate "artisan" inspired creation and sides that involve multiple toppings, time and effort

B) The cute bartender who pops the beer top and hands you a bottle in under five seconds

C) Both, because I'm not full of shiat when talking on FARK about the importance of tiping people in the service industry.

I think most states have wage laws that heavily favor the Wendy's worker.


Pizza delivery guys get paid minimum+cut for each delivery and everyone tips them.

I think it's more a social thing, kinda upper class vs. lower class.

Fast food workers are not tipable unless they work for an upscale coffee shop like Starbucks. Dunkin' Donuts somehow straddles the ledge, so you only tip smaller amounts there. McDonalds, you never tip, regardless of how good the McCafe is that day.
 
2013-01-09 09:33:56 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The tantrum-throwing from the bootstrappy set over having to pay a couple dollars more in taxes just astounds me. I have a Facebook friend who is a complete hard-core right-winger--the kind who was posting how she couldn't stop crying after the election, and how scared she was about still having a job. She posted the other day, after the end of the fiscal cliff nonsense, about the horrible hit she'd taken on her paycheck, and how she was so sad because her family would need to find ways to cut back and one of them was to stop riding lessons for her daughter. What kind of insane jerk-wad gets so mad about this shiat that they take it out on their kid, and take away their horsey time, just so they can pretend they're all oppressed by crushing taxes?

This story is just more of that same nonsense. How bad are you managing your finances that a 2% change in Social Security and a minimal change in the high marginal tax brackets suddenly means you can't afford to tip your waiter? Wait, don't answer, it's a trick question. You're just being a dickhole to try to make a statement.


Did you ask her if she knew that the social security tax was going to expire regardless of whom won the election? And that the Democrats proposed extending it and the Republicans said no?
 
2013-01-09 09:50:23 PM

miscreant: Just like the employee at walmart can actually walk you to the aisle to find the product you're looking for, or just send you in the general direction


Many/most stores (not sure about Walmart) have a 'show them to the item, don't just point them in the direction' rule. So, NO, they can't.

people who tip like crap often do it because they're not at the establishment enough for their reputation as a bad tipper to matter to them, and they are therefore not really customers an owner wants to cultivate.

Like I already said:

fredklein 2013-01-09 07:13:38 PM

MycroftHolmes: A bar or bartender who recognizes and takes care of regulars is going to do financially better in the long run

... if their customers are all or mostly 'regulars'.


If a bar doesn't want to treat newcomers well, then they won't become regulars.
 
2013-01-09 09:55:53 PM

Minus 1 Charisma: Radioactive Ass: Why on earth should anyone ever pay for bad service?

Know how I know you've never worked in a restaurant?

I think tipping is weird. I don't know how eating out ever evolved into a server making their almost exclusively from tips but that's the way it is. You pay full price for virtually every other good or service regardless of the "service". When you get an oil change do you refuse to pay if it takes too long?
The fact is, that everyone has a crummy day at work sometimes. You should still tip 10% even if the service is bad because that's all they make, and that's just what you do. Even if you HATE your server. If they were the worst server ever I still don't think it justifies making them work for you for free.

You and I still get paid if we have a bad day at work, and I assure you, EVERYONE has bad days at work. this doesn't even take into account the things that people don't even consider that are completely out of a server's control like your boss saying "Amanda called in sick, so instead of having a 4 table section, tonight you have 8 tables." "8 tables?! I'll be way too insanely busy." "Well, too bad. Figure it out. Let me know if you want me to comp a dessert or something."

Furthemore, if a server is actually offering poor service on a consistent basis and it's not just a "bad day" then it catches up with them REALLY fast and they won't be serving for long, I assure you.


I have eyes and if the server is busy running between a lot of tables and can't get to me right away then it's not bad service, it's bad management, and I can take that into account (just like bad food is not usually the fault of the server). If they are off smoking or spending all of their time in the kitchen or whatever else that isn't tending to their customers then it is bad service. The job description doesn't allow for "I'm having a bad day but tip me anyway". Besides all of that, where I live the servers get actual wages (by law) and not the slave wages that other states allow. The tip isn't guilted into me (like what you're trying to do here). If I lived in a different state then you might have a point.

If the server is offering poor service on a regular basis, what is a better way to let them know than with consistently bad tips? Maybe they'll get the message. Leaving a 10% tip isn't going to get the message across other than I might be a cheapskate. And I do tip when I go out and usually pretty well but I won't reward a bad job just because someone tries to guilt me into it.

Bad day? Bad pay. It really is that simple. There are plenty of other jobs that do just that yet nobody is saying anything about them.
 
2013-01-09 10:21:34 PM

fredklein: Grobbley: Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance.

The allowance is there in case they spill something, not to allow them to give the product away. An employer may allow employees to punch in to work up to 5 minutes past their scheduled time, but an employee who ALWAYS punches in 5 minutes late is taking advantage of it. Employers allow a certain number of sick days each year. But an employee who always takes the max number each year is taking advantage of it. A grocery store might calculate that a certain percentage of their product will end up spoiled and thrown away, but an employee who knows they haven't reached that amount yet, and gives food away it taking advantage of it.


You're wrong. At the very least, in the bars I have frequented, it was understood between employees and employer that the way you describe it was not how it works. It's more like if a person working in a restaurant is allowed a shift meal every day, but instead of eating it they give it away. Perhaps my previous description was insufficient or misleading. I've had bartenders "spill" drinks for me in front of the owners of the bar. The owners seem to support the action, probably because it builds a good relationship with clients and makes them more likely to return.

/I'm guessing they call it "spilling" the drink because in some places (like here in Utah) it isn't legal to give away a free drink, and calling it a "free drink" allowance would probably draw unwanted attention
 
2013-01-09 10:24:19 PM

Grobbley: fredklein: Grobbley: Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance.

The allowance is there in case they spill something, not to allow them to give the product away. An employer may allow employees to punch in to work up to 5 minutes past their scheduled time, but an employee who ALWAYS punches in 5 minutes late is taking advantage of it. Employers allow a certain number of sick days each year. But an employee who always takes the max number each year is taking advantage of it. A grocery store might calculate that a certain percentage of their product will end up spoiled and thrown away, but an employee who knows they haven't reached that amount yet, and gives food away it taking advantage of it.

You're wrong. At the very least, in the bars I have frequented, it was understood between employees and employer that the way you describe it was not how it works. It's more like if a person working in a restaurant is allowed a shift meal every day, but instead of eating it they give it away. Perhaps my previous description was insufficient or misleading. I've had bartenders "spill" drinks for me in front of the owners of the bar. The owners seem to support the action, probably because it builds a good relationship with clients and makes them more likely to return.

/I'm guessing they call it "spilling" the drink because in some places (like here in Utah) it isn't legal to give away a free drink, and calling it a "free drink" allowance would probably draw unwanted attention


Oh, and the spill tab is ALSO for legitimately spilled drinks. It serves a dual purpose.
 
2013-01-09 10:45:40 PM

Grobbley: It's more like if a person working in a restaurant is allowed a shift meal every day, but instead of eating it they give it away.


I wouldn't be surprised if the restaurant rules prohibited that. I know that stores that offer employee discounts usually limit that discount to personal purchases (possibly family, too). Using it for strangers is forbidden.
 
2013-01-09 11:04:02 PM

Magorn: Shirley Ujest: He won't tip his server because he cannot afford it, but can afford to go out to eat.


I give this guy a World Class Troll Award.

and if his taxes had REALLY gone up he;s someone who make more than $400K a year.  Who the Fark ARE these people that work themselves into towering rages over things that haven;t actually happened to them?

He's basically saying his pissed off about the entire CONCEPT of fairly distributing the tax burden


He references prop 30 which was the proposition whereby California's decided to tax the wealth, as opposed to prop 24 (I think that was the number) which would have been a "fair" distribution of the tax burden across all wage earners.

That being said, he is a dick.
 
2013-01-10 01:20:04 AM

OgreMagi: Last week I left my favorite watress a $60 tip on a $15 meal because it was the holiday season and I know she works much hard for less money than I do.  I always tip well.


When I made good money I was a great tipper near the holidays too.  I'd rather overtip then undertip, the wait staff I know work hard and have to put up with some idiots so I do what I can when I can.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:45 AM
I'll throw in my 2 cents here and say I always try to be a decent, if not better than average, tipper... Partly to make up for the dickholes who don't tip, and partly because I've worked in the food service industry, and know what it's like to be in their shoes...

Now, that being said, I have left a $.02 tip, mainly as a statement to the waitress that, with a nearly empty restaurant, brought my food to me cold, had to be asked twice for a refill, and a few other things... I also made a point to never return to that place, and mainly because if you have a manager come by and ask how things are going and you tell him that you've seen him more than your waitress, and nothing changes, it's not a place I'd like to supply with return business...

And as for the jackwagon from TFA... If I received this as a "tip", I'd make sure to note what vehicle he drove, just in case... I have a schrader valve tool (not sure of the true spelling, but for tires) and it's a non damaging, but PITA, way of making a point that he's an ass...
 
2013-01-10 06:50:58 AM

fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.


0/10
 
2013-01-10 06:51:42 AM

Fade2black: xanadian: Ah, a tea-tard's calling card.

I tip 20-25%, sometimes higher. Duke University completed a study 2 years ago that showed Republicans and Libertarians donate more per capita to charities and civil services tips than Liberals. The belief they found is that Liberals demand it of others through government, so they can wash their own hands of actually showing an ounce of humility to someone else.

So how about you GFY.


You're right. Clearly this insipid card was written by a Democrat.
 
2013-01-10 06:56:11 AM

brapbrapbrap: I can't stand people who get all worked up about what places to tip, what amount, 25% if she brings my class of coke within 94 seconds, 33.7% if she laughs at one of my shiat jokes etc etc. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. So boring, just sit down and enjoy your meal you moron.

Whatever service I get I just leave 10% at restaurants and if that's not considered good enough then I honestly couldn't really give a fark. Hotels, pizza delivery guys, taxi drivers, bar staff etc can all get farked, I don't see why I should have to give any of those guys any extra. It's not that I can't afford to leave a bigger tip it's just that I honestly don't care. The whole tipping culture is complete bullshiat when you spend more than 30 seconds thinking about it. My grandad worked in a coal mine and nobody ever tipped him. I've worked shiatty jobs before but because they weren't in a restaurant nobody tipped me.

I know you guys like to think that the cute waitress you just tipped 50% thinks you're really impressive and rich and cool but in reality she's probably thinking "what a farking mark." People like to tip that much to boost their ego ("look at what I can afford to give the poor waitress! Are you impressed?!") You might as well ruffle the waiters hair on your way out. And if a waiter would tamper with somebodies food over a few dollars then they don't deserve a tip in the first place from anybody.


You tip them because they make far less than minimum wage. This doesn't apply to you or your grandfather.
 
2013-01-10 06:58:25 AM

fredklein: MycroftHolmes: Never mind how you think the world should be, are you saying that tipping is not currently used as a form of compensation?

Tipping IS "currently used as a form of compensation".

I think it should not be. I think waiters (for example) should be paid a fair wage instead.

But, quite frankly, I DO tip when I go out to eat, or order food to be delivered. I do it because it is expected, not because I agree with it. And because of stuff like this:

JFarker131 [TotalFark] 2013-01-09 10:11:38 AM
This, a thousand times. I've waited tables, worked in coffee shops, been a bartender. Leave a crappy tip, I will fark with your food, or have someone more disgusting than me do it so I don't have to.

/talked a coworker into ejaculating into a truly awful local politician's alfredo sauce, he complimented the owner after his meal on the new recipe they were using.
//ew.

... just to pick the first (of many) in this thread. People who think it's okay to tamper with a customers food, simply because the customer doesn't bribe them sufficiently. I mean, if the cashier at Whole Foods posted saying "I just deliberately assaulted a customer because they didn't just hand me 10%.15%.20% of their total", you'd think him nuts.


It's not a bribe, they make less than minimum wage. If you should be angry with anyone, it should be the people that pay them this incredibly small amound to do a stressful job and expect the customer to subsidize their employees' pay.
 
2013-01-10 07:01:01 AM

HempHead: Pizza delivery guys get paid minimum+cut for each delivery and everyone tips them.


Bullshiat. I spent 7 years delivering pizza in a college town. I was paid under minimum wage both places I worked. One place compensated us $0.50 per delivery--when gas was over $4 per gallon. The other place compensated us dick and gofarkyourself. There are places in town that comp you based on percentage modified by number of deliveries taken, but they have their own problems.

I was tipped an average of $1.50 per delivery. Your $4 and $5 tips were quickly erased by the stiffers and the $1 assholes. I worked the late night shifts, because that's where the money was. I could regularly do 50-75 deliveries if we were busy, and I made pretty good money. But it's a slightly skilled job, so take that into account. Not any moron can successfully deliver pizza if they have 4 orders in the car, and 5 more waiting at the store without delivering cold food. Nor can every jackass drive well enough to not get in accidents or get their cars stuck in driveways. Add in the "treated like a servant" factor, and I need more money than a job where I'm treated like a human. So, still pretty good money. Now modify that by one major factor: you're destroying your car. There are only two ways to make money delivering. If you have the money and credit to buy a brand new Hyundai for $10k, you can figure on throwing it away when it's paid off, but no repair bills, and not too much maintenance other than tires every 9 months, triple the normal bulbs and wiper blades, and an oil change a month. Or, you can have 2 POS cars, and spend 8-12 hours a month under the hood, with significant maintenance costs. Add in the fact that you have to buy another $500 car about every 18 months, then put another $200 into it to make it road-worthy. Anything else, and you're really losing money. You have major repair bills on a car you're still paying off, and you ain't making shiat.
 
2013-01-10 07:11:40 AM

fredklein: docbenspock: the one that makes less than minimum wage.

...they only make less then minimum wage BECAUSE you tip. it's a vicious circle. People start to tip, so employers get away with paying their employees less. So, employees are now dependent on the tips, rather than having them as a pleasant extra. So they start demanding more and more.


No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped. That does not give them permission to pay less. That is not how it works.
 
2013-01-10 07:18:27 AM

Abacus9: No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped.


Um, as someone who has made "more than minimum wage" and has been tipped for services rendered, I can categorically say that employers are very interested in whether or not you're being tipped for assisting customers.

Hint: ideally, they'd generally prefer you turn down the customer.
 
2013-01-10 08:27:10 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Subtext: "I am a coward and a failure at everything I've ever tried. I have elaborate revenge fantasies about the abuse I take at my menial job from superiors and co-workers alike. My wife utterly controls my life and does not allow me to control any aspect of my life. My children mock and belittle me.


... but one day I hope to stop being a waiter with a whining sense of entitlement and get a real job.
 
2013-01-10 08:27:32 AM

Abacus9: It's not a bribe, they make less than minimum wage. If you should be angry with anyone, it should be the people that pay them this incredibly small amound to do a stressful job and expect the customer to subsidize their employees' pay.


And, as I pointed out, they make less then min wage BECAUSE you tip them. If everyone stopped tipping today, tomorrow, waiters (for example) would make at least min wage, probably a lot more.
 
2013-01-10 08:32:50 AM

Abacus9: It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped. That does not give them permission to pay less.


Yes it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
As of July 24, 2009, the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. ... and tipped labor must be paid a minimum of $2.13 per hour, ...

Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.
 
2013-01-10 08:54:51 AM

Abacus9: fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.

0/10


Abacus, You need to favorite this guy. You will quickly learn that he is not trolling. He has a very clear view of the way the world should be, unencumbered with the burden of knowledge or experience.
 
2013-01-10 09:29:45 AM

OgreMagi: Grobbley: fredklein: Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

Generally, when a bartender gives away a "free drink" it's coming from their spill allowance. Typically, a bartender is given a daily spill allowance (so, for instance, they might be allowed to spill 5 drinks per shift before they'll start being charged for them.) On the surface, this is a system designed to allow a bartender to be human and make mistakes. However, if a bartender isn't a clumsy dolt and can get through their shift without spilling their allotment of drinks, they often times will "spill" a drink for a regular or for a good tipper. The owner of the bar is already assuming this loss, hence the spill tab. Nothing is being stolen.

My brother in law had to tolerate some douche in his bar who was annoying just about everyone (but not quite enough to get kicked out).  Late in the evening said douche said, "make me the most bad-ass drink you can."  He got the drip mat contents on the rocks.


Considering in good financial times my friends and I can drop 150$ in a bar (scotch is a hell of a drink), getting us in the door is significantly more profitable than worrying about a bartender giving away one drink.
 
2013-01-10 09:44:30 AM

UberDave: sigdiamond2000: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.

They don't.  I have a friend (more my wife's friend actually) and an in-law I refuse to eat out with because they *always* biatch about something at the restaurant.  I've tried to tell them (and others who act this way) that they need to be polite to the waiter/waitress because 1) you don't really need to act like a douche all the time and 2) they will fark with your food.  The response is always, "they better not mess with my food!"  Stupid.


We need swift, federal legislation restricting access to spit and snot.

Also doing that is felony assault.
 
2013-01-10 10:18:12 AM

Bullseyed: UberDave: sigdiamond2000: kid_icarus: If I were him, I would never eat at that restaurant again for the rest of my natural life.

/unless you like your steak served to you after being rubbed on the bathroom floor and seasoned with pubes


I sometimes wonder if people who pull sh*t like this realize the amount of saliva, snot, and semen they've unwittingly ingested in their lives.

They don't.  I have a friend (more my wife's friend actually) and an in-law I refuse to eat out with because they *always* biatch about something at the restaurant.  I've tried to tell them (and others who act this way) that they need to be polite to the waiter/waitress because 1) you don't really need to act like a douche all the time and 2) they will fark with your food.  The response is always, "they better not mess with my food!"  Stupid.

We need swift, federal legislation restricting access to spit and snot.

Also doing that is felony assault.


Background checks for spit and snot permits, very strict ones to ensure no nutjobs get their hands on deadly spit and snot.
 
2013-01-10 11:53:23 AM

Flakeloaf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Canadians don't tip well at all.

Fark you too, I guess. Better would be "lots of people don't tend to tip well when they're not both from a place that tends to tip AND happen to be in that place".


Canadian means "attractive and successful" in server-ese. Any claim I make based on my two years of being a server will be met with claims of racism. I'll say that stereotypes are developed over time for a reason, and that my friendships with many people of various race are *in spite* of my time as a server, not because of it.
 
2013-01-10 12:14:48 PM

fredklein: Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.




No, that would be the employers that make them earn next to nothing.
 
2013-01-10 12:21:10 PM

Lando Lincoln: fredklein: Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.

No, that would be the employers that make them earn next to nothing.


www.wizwar.com
 
2013-01-10 12:34:28 PM

SkunkWerks: Lando Lincoln: fredklein: Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.

No, that would be the employers that make them earn next to nothing.

[www.wizwar.com image 850x581]


What does Leftover Salmon have to do with this passing the buck crap?
/sorry
//I close the door on the way out
 
2013-01-10 01:16:08 PM
I do agree it's not always the waiter/waitress. My wife for example has a sigil on her forehead, visible only to customer service personnel in food serving establishments that translates to "I won't ask for much but please do everything your power to fark up my order." She's not a When-Harry-Met-Sally high maintenance woman, but when you ask for crablegs in a seafood establishment (and it was a Red Lobster in this instance), they should be somewhat crisp, warm to the palate and flavorful. She got rubbery, cold crablegs that were apparently boiled in garlic saltwater. In this case they refunded her meal and offered her a free take-home dessert, so I did tip generously. We wanted to move back to Illinois at one point just because the Asian waitress we had at the Red Lobster back home was a farking pack horse and took care of everything. Eating out is always a caveat emptor situation. In almost 95% of all our other dining instances, customer service could give a fark.

In short, she just has bad luck getting what she orders, and she doesn't order weird, complex dishes with all sorts of special considerations. I do also agree that in most cases while you get what you pay for, there are exceptions. You don't like the food? Fark you, pay me and go somewhere else. You want a steak at a Porter's steakhouse the weekend of a big NASCAR race? Fark you, enjoy your 50-minute wait, and only Jeff Gordon gets his steak done to the proper cooking level.

Growing up, my dad was a notoriously shiatty tipper, and he was one of those ornery farks who went out of his way to order something unusual or atypical for his palate that gave him an excuse to biatch and try to either get the meal for free or under tip. I'm sure he ate his share of body hairs and random spermatazoa over the years. The reasons I don't dine out with this tightwad anymore are purely coincidental, mainly because I prefer "clean" food.

My only real beef with dining out is hygiene. I know what restaurant sink dishwater looks like, and I've seen people washing dishes in liquid I wouldn't feed to a death row inmate, then call said flatware "clean". I look for dirty fingernails, crusties on hands and cold sores, mostly, I look at where the wait staff washes their hands, as well as the customer bathrooms where they pinch a loaf on breaks.

More often than not, waiting tables is a thankless job even for the best of them, and it's an easily exploitable pool of victims for assholes and sociopaths, but if you're going to make that your profession, do the best you can with it.
 
2013-01-10 05:19:00 PM

SkunkWerks: Abacus9: No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped.

Um, as someone who has made "more than minimum wage" and has been tipped for services rendered, I can categorically say that employers are very interested in whether or not you're being tipped for assisting customers.

Hint: ideally, they'd generally prefer you turn down the customer.


My first job (about 10 years ago) was at Hardees (AKA Carl's Jr), and at the time they were just getting started on attempting to change their image to one where you get restaurant quality food and experience for fast food prices. I was required not only to stand behind the register and take orders and such, but I had to go around and ask people if they wanted refills or to place any orders for desert and the like, as a typical server would in a restaurant. The worst part was we were required to refuse tips if they were offered, and I was making minimum wage at the time.

/csb?
 
2013-01-11 12:03:33 AM

SkunkWerks: Abacus9: No. It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped.

Um, as someone who has made "more than minimum wage" and has been tipped for services rendered, I can categorically say that employers are very interested in whether or not you're being tipped for assisting customers.

Hint: ideally, they'd generally prefer you turn down the customer.


I didn't say whether or not they'd be interested. I just said it's none of their business.
 
2013-01-11 12:10:10 AM

fredklein: Abacus9: It's not the employer's business if someone making more than minimum wage gets tipped. That does not give them permission to pay less.

Yes it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
As of July 24, 2009, the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. ... and tipped labor must be paid a minimum of $2.13 per hour, ...

Employers can pay "tipped labor" only $2.13 per hour. If no one tips, those same employees would need to be paid at least $7.25 per hour. It's your tipping that makes them earn next to nothing.


You keep saying that tipping causes employers to pay less. And I keep saying that paying less is why you should tip. I never said it was a good system, and I'm familiar with what the law is. That said, you've completely missed the point about how wrong it all is, and seem to imply that it is the fault of the employee and the customer. It is 100% the fault of the employer and the government for making this asinine law. Period.
 
2013-01-11 12:13:19 AM

MycroftHolmes: Abacus9: fredklein: miscreant: Unless there happen to be other customers who are better tippers, and therefore better customers.

Whether I tip (aka: bribe the employee) or not is irrelevant to the employer.

Actually, it may not be- many people here say they get 'free drinks' when they tip bartenders. If I was the bar owner, I'd certainly be concerned with my employees giving away MY property to line THEIR pockets. I mean, can a grocery store cashier give people free food, and pocket the money? Can a Walmart employee give customers [cheap Chinese crap] and keep the money? Of course not- it's called THEFT.

So, from that standpoint, a tipping customer is actually bribing my employees to Steal for them, and are a BAD customer, not a better one.

0/10

Abacus, You need to favorite this guy. You will quickly learn that he is not trolling. He has a very clear view of the way the world should be, unencumbered with the burden of knowledge or experience.


Wow. He's got an impressive set of bootstraps for a non-troll.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:50 AM

Glancing Blow: My wife and I moved from New York to Oregon where there's no sales tax. She decided that our tips should be higher since we didn't have to pay tax anymore. Not wanting to engage her logic cells I said: wow, great idea, I love that about you.


Your wife actually sounds kind of cool.
 
2013-01-11 02:39:45 AM

Sid_the_sadist: And the farking with your food thing....my wife used to wait tables and the worst thing was a steak dropped on the floor, then picked up and served. They used to get the bus-boys to crop dust rude customers regularly though.


That was my streak, Liberty.

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2013-01-11 02:43:46 AM
That was my steak, Liberty.

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FTFM
 
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