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2013-01-09 09:30:53 AM
Maybe they should spend the $500,000 or so and redo the goddamn turf so their players stop getting hurt.
 
2013-01-09 09:42:01 AM

Gwendolyn: Maybe they should spend the $500,000 or so and redo the goddamn turf so their players stop getting hurt.


I'm a transplant to this area. I hate that RGIII was hurt like he was, possibly changing the trajectory of his career. But I have to admit to the sense of pleasure I get at seeing all the tortured Redskin fans go through what they go through year in and year out.
 
2013-01-09 10:12:30 AM
RGIV?
 
2013-01-09 11:09:35 AM

SurfaceTension: Gwendolyn: Maybe they should spend the $500,000 or so and redo the goddamn turf so their players stop getting hurt.

I'm a transplant to this area. I hate that RGIII was hurt like he was, possibly changing the trajectory of his career. But I have to admit to the sense of pleasure I get at seeing all the tortured Redskin fans go through what they go through year in and year out.


It doesn't hurt that Redskins fans are obnoxious. Excluding the drafting of RGIII, every year is hey we signed this second-rate player. We're winning it all this year.
 
2013-01-09 11:10:08 AM
The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.
 
2013-01-09 11:13:29 AM
At best, he could return for the second half of next season.
 
2013-01-09 11:15:22 AM

Lost Thought 00: At best, he could return for the second half of next season.


What a waste.
 
2013-01-09 11:18:27 AM

lunchinlewis: The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.


I'm seeing torn LCL, damaged but not torn ACL and MCL; repaired former and strengthened the latter two as long as they were in there.
 
2013-01-09 11:21:23 AM

ToddMU03: It doesn't hurt that Redskins fans are obnoxious. Excluding the drafting of RGIII, every year is hey we signed this second-rate player. We're winning it all this year.


I literally heard more than once before Sunday's playoff game how the Skins were at the threshold of a new dynasty. By the end of the game that chorus had changed to "FIRE SHANAHAN!"  Obnoxious doesn't begin to describe it.

Contrast that with the many friends I have who are Steelers fans. They always stick with their team win or lose, they never run down other teams, and outside of CONSTANTLY mentioning "six rings" they really aren't obnoxious at all.

/Bengals fan
//ugh
 
2013-01-09 11:21:50 AM

Lost Thought 00: At best, he could return for the second half of next season.


Everything's comin' up Sexy!
 
2013-01-09 11:23:26 AM
There isn't anything to dislike about Griffin, but the Redskins organization and fans deserve this.
 
2013-01-09 11:25:00 AM

xaks: lunchinlewis: The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.

I'm seeing torn LCL, damaged but not torn ACL and MCL; repaired former and strengthened the latter two as long as they were in there.


Link

Complete tear ACL. Complete tear LCL. Liberal timeline of 6-8 months.

Note as this is the second ACL tear, stats suggest he's f*cked long-term.
 
2013-01-09 11:26:46 AM

Lost Thought 00: At best, he could return for the second half of next season.


Word from Andrews' office was limited participation in camp and a good chance of Week 1 start barring any "setbacks". Neither was torn totally and the ACL was just torn at the graft from this previous surgery which is easier to rehab than a tear in the original ligament.

At least that's all I've heard/seen that came from the Redskins/Andrews
 
2013-01-09 11:26:59 AM

xaks: lunchinlewis: The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.

I'm seeing torn LCL, damaged but not torn ACL and MCL; repaired former and strengthened the latter two as long as they were in there.


How do they strengthen these? Is it like adding extra rubber bands or something? When do we cross into "performance enhancing" territory?

Not just asking for him, but for all athletes. The article mentions Adrian Peterson's recovery from a similar surgery and points out his close-to-record-breaking season. Is it the surgery itself? The no doubt intensive rehab?
 
2013-01-09 11:27:19 AM
Step 1: Trade most of your draft picks for the near future for one guy
Step 2: Break that one guy
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Super Bowl!
 
2013-01-09 11:29:55 AM

netweavr: xaks: lunchinlewis: The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.

I'm seeing torn LCL, damaged but not torn ACL and MCL; repaired former and strengthened the latter two as long as they were in there.

Link

Complete tear ACL. Complete tear LCL. Liberal timeline of 6-8 months.

Note as this is the second ACL tear, stats suggest he's f*cked long-term.


His ACL isn't torn the graft that was holding it to the bone released. Fixing the graft != repairing the ligament.
 
2013-01-09 11:30:38 AM
I hope this curbs Subway's All-Star team of athletes.

/popped submitted cherry
 
2013-01-09 11:30:57 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: netweavr: xaks: lunchinlewis: The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.

I'm seeing torn LCL, damaged but not torn ACL and MCL; repaired former and strengthened the latter two as long as they were in there.

Link

Complete tear ACL. Complete tear LCL. Liberal timeline of 6-8 months.

Note as this is the second ACL tear, stats suggest he's f*cked long-term.

His ACL isn't torn the graft that was holding it to the bone released. Fixing the graft != repairing the ligament.


I wonder who did his surgery when he was at Baylor.
 
2013-01-09 11:32:12 AM

Buck Henderson: When do we cross into "performance enhancing" territory?


Performance enhancing is great and everyone supports it until you fail a drug test then it's all about you being a cheater.

/but yeah, everyone keeps coming back from injuries at superhuman rates because they're all superhuman
 
2013-01-09 11:33:52 AM

Buck Henderson: The article mentions Adrian Peterson's recovery from a similar surgery and points out his close-to-record-breaking season. Is it the surgery itself? The no doubt intensive rehab?


James Andrews (the doctor doing Griffin's surgery) said that Peterson was a "freak of nature" and defied all odds in his recovery.
 
2013-01-09 11:36:06 AM

SurfaceTension: ToddMU03: It doesn't hurt that Redskins fans are obnoxious. Excluding the drafting of RGIII, every year is hey we signed this second-rate player. We're winning it all this year.

I literally heard more than once before Sunday's playoff game how the Skins were at the threshold of a new dynasty. By the end of the game that chorus had changed to "FIRE SHANAHAN!"  Obnoxious doesn't begin to describe it.

Contrast that with the many friends I have who are Steelers fans. They always stick with their team win or lose, they never run down other teams, and outside of CONSTANTLY mentioning "six rings" they really aren't obnoxious at all.

/Bengals fan
//ugh


As a fellow Bengals fan (who has lived in PA and now lives in Baltimore), I have to disagree with your assertion of Steeler fans. They're awful...but not as bad as Ravens fans.
 
2013-01-09 11:36:40 AM

The Bestest: Step 1: Trade most of your draft picks for the near future for one guy
Step 2: Break that one guy
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Super Bowl!


i360.photobucket.com

/hot like a 3rd round pick
 
2013-01-09 11:37:22 AM
No worries, give him a knee brace and make him a pocket passer.  I'm sure he'll be as effective as Dan Marion was.


Hahahaha, he's through.
 
2013-01-09 11:40:13 AM

Buck Henderson: xaks: lunchinlewis: The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.

I'm seeing torn LCL, damaged but not torn ACL and MCL; repaired former and strengthened the latter two as long as they were in there.

How do they strengthen these? Is it like adding extra rubber bands or something? When do we cross into "performance enhancing" territory?

Not just asking for him, but for all athletes. The article mentions Adrian Peterson's recovery from a similar surgery and points out his close-to-record-breaking season. Is it the surgery itself? The no doubt intensive rehab?


I hear they did another patella tendon graft:
www.eorthopod.com
I imagine there is a standard width of patella tendon that is harvested: too thin and it will tear again, too thick, and it will not "fit" in the knee.

RG3 has youth on his side, but 2 torn ACL's in 3 years doesn't bode well for the long term.
 
2013-01-09 11:41:56 AM

ToddMU03: SurfaceTension: Gwendolyn: Maybe they should spend the $500,000 or so and redo the goddamn turf so their players stop getting hurt.

I'm a transplant to this area. I hate that RGIII was hurt like he was, possibly changing the trajectory of his career. But I have to admit to the sense of pleasure I get at seeing all the tortured Redskin fans go through what they go through year in and year out.

It doesn't hurt that Redskins fans are obnoxious. Excluding the drafting of RGIII, every year is hey we signed this second-rate player. We're winning it all this year.



Don't mistake the expectations of Dan Snyder with the expectations of your average Skins fan. Even with the RG3 hoopla I stuck with "cautious optimism".
 
2013-01-09 11:44:39 AM

Popcorn Johnny: No worries, give him a knee brace and make him a pocket passer.  I'm sure he'll be as effective as Dan Marion was.


Hahahaha, he's through.


WhoTF is Dan Marion??
 
2013-01-09 11:46:23 AM

TheOther: Popcorn Johnny: No worries, give him a knee brace and make him a pocket passer.  I'm sure he'll be as effective as Dan Marion was.


Hahahaha, he's through.

WhoTF is Dan Marion??


I think he stars in those NutriSystem ads. Otherwise, no idea.
 
2013-01-09 11:49:40 AM
He's no Adrien Peterson thats for sure
 
2013-01-09 11:52:37 AM

Gwendolyn: Maybe they should spend the $500,000 or so and redo the goddamn turf so their players stop getting hurt.


Is FieldTurf not allowed in the NFL? Because that would seem like the obvious solution. Hell if my local high school can afford it, it should be a no-brainer for every NFL team north of the Mason/Dixon.
 
2013-01-09 11:54:58 AM

jayhawk88: Gwendolyn: Maybe they should spend the $500,000 or so and redo the goddamn turf so their players stop getting hurt.

Is FieldTurf not allowed in the NFL? Because that would seem like the obvious solution. Hell if my local high school can afford it, it should be a no-brainer for every NFL team north of the Mason/Dixon.


This. Many outdoor teams have switched. If you can't provide anything better than a glorified sandbox to play on in the NFL, you have to switch to artificial field turf. Hell, I played JV football on better surfaces that FedEx.
 
2013-01-09 11:57:12 AM

TheOther: WhoTF is Dan Marion??


His close friends knew him as Marion.
 
2013-01-09 11:57:56 AM
All of you complaining about Fed Ex field should note that Candlestick is worse.
 
2013-01-09 12:02:32 PM

Broktun: Buck Henderson: xaks: lunchinlewis: The surgery was this morning, or it might still be going on.  His ACL is in  "decent condition", but they need to fix it to strengthen it a little.  No total tears of any of the ligaments apparently.

I'm seeing torn LCL, damaged but not torn ACL and MCL; repaired former and strengthened the latter two as long as they were in there.

How do they strengthen these? Is it like adding extra rubber bands or something? When do we cross into "performance enhancing" territory?

Not just asking for him, but for all athletes. The article mentions Adrian Peterson's recovery from a similar surgery and points out his close-to-record-breaking season. Is it the surgery itself? The no doubt intensive rehab?

I hear they did another patella tendon graft:
[www.eorthopod.com image 467x400]
I imagine there is a standard width of patella tendon that is harvested: too thin and it will tear again, too thick, and it will not "fit" in the knee.

RG3 has youth on his side, but 2 torn ACL's in 3 years doesn't bode well for the long term.


No way would they have done that. For an athlete its pretty much cadeaver or bust. The younger you are, the more they advise AGAINST using the patella tendon.

Anyways I was under the impression that a partial ligament tear in the knee is as bad as a full tear, being that they need to replace the tendon at that point.
 
2013-01-09 12:12:53 PM

Popcorn Johnny: TheOther: WhoTF is Dan Marion??

His close friends knew him as Marion.


Marion Cobretti.  He's on he Zombie Squad.  The bottom line.
 
2013-01-09 12:17:10 PM
Fortunately, the Redskins didn't blow a bunch of draft picks to get RGIII.
 
2013-01-09 12:19:28 PM

Lost Thought 00: At best, he could return for the second half of next season.


Fortunately, the Red Skins didn't blow a bunch of draft picks to get Griffin.
 
2013-01-09 12:25:18 PM

thecpt: No way would they have done that. For an athlete its pretty much cadeaver or bust. The younger you are, the more they advise AGAINST using the patella tendon.


I'm kind of curious about that.  Are you saying that specifically for athletes they do not do autografts?  This is coincidental, but I was with one of my clients yesterday who happens to provide some medical services to the Redskins, and not talking about RG3 in particular, they were saying that all the current research points to autografting being superior.  Maybe they meant just for the general population.
 
2013-01-09 12:30:35 PM

netweavr: All of you complaining about Fed Ex field should note that Candlestick is worse.


[citation needed]

I watched the Seahawks play on both fields this year. Candlestick is bad, but Fedex was the worst I've seen in many years.
 
2013-01-09 12:32:27 PM

netweavr: All of you complaining about Fed Ex field should note that Candlestick is worse.


I find that hard to believe. See, the NFL has made it clear that they are concerned with player safety*. Safety* is their number one concern, and safety* is what they're all about.

*Can we fine a defensive player and antagonize an increasingly litigious player's union? Then it is a safety issue.
 
2013-01-09 12:32:28 PM

lunchinlewis: I wonder who did his surgery when he was at Baylor.


I actually found the answer in a Post article.  In an odd twist, the surgeon who repaired Griffin's first ACL injury was on Washington's last Super Bowl champion team.
 
2013-01-09 12:39:10 PM

PowerSlacker: netweavr: All of you complaining about Fed Ex field should note that Candlestick is worse.

[citation needed]

I watched the Seahawks play on both fields this year. Candlestick is bad, but Fedex was the worst I've seen in many years.


Link
 
2013-01-09 12:42:33 PM

netweavr: PowerSlacker: netweavr: All of you complaining about Fed Ex field should note that Candlestick is worse.

[citation needed]

I watched the Seahawks play on both fields this year. Candlestick is bad, but Fedex was the worst I've seen in many years.

Link


That didn't convince me that Candlestick is as bad as Fedex, much less worse. Guess we will see for sure in a few days.
 
2013-01-09 12:45:21 PM

lunchinlewis: thecpt: No way would they have done that. For an athlete its pretty much cadeaver or bust. The younger you are, the more they advise AGAINST using the patella tendon.

I'm kind of curious about that.  Are you saying that specifically for athletes they do not do autografts?  This is coincidental, but I was with one of my clients yesterday who happens to provide some medical services to the Redskins, and not talking about RG3 in particular, they were saying that all the current research points to autografting being superior.  Maybe they meant just for the general population.


I'm going off of personal experience and every doctor I have consulted with recommends using the cadeaver graft. If you are morally against having dead folk in your body, they suggest the patella graft (3 coworkers of mine got this graft). They all claimed that they do have more weakness and pain from that surgery than what I experienced from using a cadeaver. Doctors told me that is easier to recover from, less pain, and less problems down the line. The patella tendon and other techniques tend to become more elastic over time which is why they don't suggest it for younger patients. The cadeaver tendon they use is the Achilles which has more than enough size to sustain the next 50 years of your life.

tl;dr/ Every doctor informed me that the cadeaver was superior in every way. The only added risk is something being brought into your body which is extremely (emphasis) because the tendon is irradiated.
 
2013-01-09 12:47:01 PM

thecpt: The only added risk is something being brought into your body which is extremely (emphasis) because the tendon is irradiated


extremely rare. screw up, my bad
 
2013-01-09 12:47:03 PM

Rapmaster2000: Popcorn Johnny: TheOther: WhoTF is Dan Marion??

His close friends knew him as Marion.

Marion Cobretti.  He's on he Zombie Squad.  The bottom line.


Crime is a disease. He's the cure.
 
2013-01-09 12:50:57 PM

netweavr: PowerSlacker: netweavr: All of you complaining about Fed Ex field should note that Candlestick is worse.

[citation needed]

I watched the Seahawks play on both fields this year. Candlestick is bad, but Fedex was the worst I've seen in many years.

Link


At least it has grass and not some weird painted moss layer on which players are supposed to try to plant without their joints exploding.

Link to some close up pics of Fedex from Sunday
 
2013-01-09 12:52:56 PM
i have a strong feeling he will have a short career.
 
2013-01-09 12:54:17 PM

seumasokelly: netweavr: PowerSlacker: netweavr: All of you complaining about Fed Ex field should note that Candlestick is worse.

[citation needed]

I watched the Seahawks play on both fields this year. Candlestick is bad, but Fedex was the worst I've seen in many years.

Link

At least it has grass and not some weird painted moss layer on which players are supposed to try to plant without their joints exploding.

Link to some close up pics of Fedex from Sunday


Did Dan Snyder grind up the Independence Air peanuts and spray paint them green?
 
2013-01-09 12:54:43 PM

jayhawk88: Gwendolyn: Maybe they should spend the $500,000 or so and redo the goddamn turf so their players stop getting hurt.

Is FieldTurf not allowed in the NFL? Because that would seem like the obvious solution. Hell if my local high school can afford it, it should be a no-brainer for every NFL team north of the Mason/Dixon.


ummm, DC/Maryland is south of the Mason/Dixon line
 
2013-01-09 01:00:16 PM
www.majhost.com

Don't worry 'Skins fans, RG3 is in good hands with this.
 
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