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2013-01-09 08:18:52 AM
Modern three camera, hackneyed, laugh-track dominated sitcoms are shiat, and shouldn't be watched by anyone. The format should be dead.

Unfortunately, crap like 2 and a Half Men and Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

The reason no one is watching Fox's sitcoms is because they might actually be something different, and therefore, scary to people who want a comforting laugh track to tell them what is funny.
 
2013-01-09 08:46:23 AM
I think that once again the networks fail to see the real and obvious problem: lack of solid writing.  Most of the current comedies just aren't that funny.  And it's not a new trend, either.

In many ways, it's the same problem professional sports has been having with years of expansion. There is a finite number of people who are really good at their profession, be it professional sports or television comedy writing.  In the days when there were just a handful of teams, each team was stocked from top to bottom with the best of the best.  But now, when there are twice as many teams, that talent pool has not grown to match the demand, and there are now players in uniform who don't measure up to earlier standards.

Same thing with television. When there were only a handful of comedies on the air, each show could staff themselves with a great core of writers. Now, in the days of literally dozens upon dozens of networks producing original content, that talent pool has been thinned out to the point where there may be only one or two writers on any staff (if even then) with the skill to write good comedy.

That's not to say there aren't some halfway decent comedies on TV. I think "Raising Hope" had some potential, "Big Bang Theory" is getting even more viewers than before, and "How I Met Your Mother" seems to be holding up fairly well.  But who at the networks thought "Partners", "The New Normal", "Animal Practice", and "Guys With Kids" were good ideas?  These ranged from "meh" to "godawfully unfunny".

And it doesn't help that networks today have the itchiest of trigger fingers. Classic comedies like "Cheers" and "Seinfeld" would never have survived their first seasons in today's "perform out of the gate or die" mentality.

Plus, there is also the simplest of all reasons of why people aren't watching new comedies: they just aren't funny. Dated concepts, old jokes, single-entendre slapstick, you name it.
 
2013-01-09 08:51:46 AM
Personally I really like Raising Hope. I gave it a try because I already liked Garcia's work on My Name is Earl, and the scene where they cut directly from the line "You know what the best part is? There's no way they're gonna kill the mother of a six-month old baby." to Lucy being executed pretty much let me know right away that this wasn't going to be a typical sitcom.

I gave The Mindy Project a shot because I liked her work on the Office. Mindy Kaling was a writer on some of my favorite episodes of the series. But I just couldn't get into it. Personally, I think part of the problem is that she's playing a character who is supposed to be a surgeon, but the she also wants to portray her as a clueless, boy crazy, celebrity obsessed ditz like her Office character. You can't have it both ways. Although I found some of the supporting cast amusing (if a little too stereotyped), it wasn't enough to keep me tuned in.
 
2013-01-09 08:55:22 AM
Arrested Development was good but didn't gather an audience.
 
2013-01-09 08:58:36 AM
They focus on the same old tired crap like Animal Hospital and that Guys with Kids show, while burying real humor like Community/Arrested Development/My Name is Earl.

I'd much rather watch an old episode of MASH or All in the Family than most of the comedies on now. (Modern Family and Parks and Rec being the exceptions).
 
2013-01-09 09:00:52 AM
Oh and stop trying to make everyone so "quirky". Develop the character through good writing and story development.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:57 AM
People are dumb. There, that's your answer to every social and sociological question you'll ask for the next century.
 
2013-01-09 09:57:04 AM
I'll admit that I like BBT but the laugh-track does annoy the shiat out of me sometimes.

But they do need to do something better.  I would love for something similar to this:

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But it probably wouldn't make it past the first episode over here.
 
2013-01-09 09:57:06 AM
Perhaps because the people who used to watch shiatty comedies now have their DVRs filled with reality shows about biatchy women and white trash morons looking for gold?
 
2013-01-09 09:57:37 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.


That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.
 
2013-01-09 10:00:37 AM

WTF Indeed: Perhaps because the people who used to watch shiatty comedies now have their DVRs filled with reality shows about biatchy women and white trash morons looking for gold?



THIS.

Thank you, drive through....
 
2013-01-09 10:01:11 AM

Sybarite: Personally I really like Raising Hope. I gave it a try because I already liked Garcia's work on My Name is Earl, and the scene where they cut directly from the line "You know what the best part is? There's no way they're gonna kill the mother of a six-month old baby." to Lucy being executed pretty much let me know right away that this wasn't going to be a typical sitcom.


I like Raising Hope. It's the only sitcom I've watched on a regular basis in a long, long time.

I prefer shows that are supposedly dramatic, but manage to drop a fair amount of humor (and some outright comedic situations) into their scripts--I think the best example of this on TV right now is Castle, which is a fantastic show.
 
2013-01-09 10:01:13 AM

mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.


Worst. Analogy. EVER!
 
2013-01-09 10:01:32 AM
When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.

Sure, there's a lot more bullshiat on there, too, and that bullshiat is even worse than the bullshiat that preceded it. That's what you get when you go from a dozen channels to several hundred channels.

To answer the question about why comedies are failing, think about what a comedy is. It's light entertainment with no commitment. Hmm, where can people get that now? What kind of device does every home have that people use for light entertainment? That's a tough one...
 
2013-01-09 10:01:32 AM

UberDave: I'll admit that I like BBT but the laugh-track does annoy the shiat out of me sometimes.

But they do need to do something better.  I would love for something similar to this:

[s1.postimage.org image 800x553]

But it probably wouldn't make it past the first episode over here.


Made my better half watch the first episode and that's all it took. By the time the two of them were sobbing in the diner(?) she was hooked and we burned through both series in less than a week.
 
2013-01-09 10:02:21 AM
Parks and Rec, Modern Family, Community and as a guilty pleasure The Middle. That is just broadcast. Going to basic cable you have Louie, Wilfred, Portlandia, Archer, futurama. Then there are the premium channels. If you're complaining there are no good shows on you need to look harder
 
2013-01-09 10:04:52 AM

mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.


Is it really that bad? I have never tried to watch it. It sounds like the worst tv show ever.
 
2013-01-09 10:07:24 AM

Cybernetic: Sybarite: Personally I really like Raising Hope. I gave it a try because I already liked Garcia's work on My Name is Earl, and the scene where they cut directly from the line "You know what the best part is? There's no way they're gonna kill the mother of a six-month old baby." to Lucy being executed pretty much let me know right away that this wasn't going to be a typical sitcom.

I like Raising Hope. It's the only sitcom I've watched on a regular basis in a long, long time.

I prefer shows that are supposedly dramatic, but manage to drop a fair amount of humor (and some outright comedic situations) into their scripts--I think the best example of this on TV right now is Castle, which is a fantastic show.


Castle is the only show we watch regularly. I'll catch New Girl on Hulu sometimes, but that's about it.
 
2013-01-09 10:10:02 AM

Jaws_Victim: mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.

Is it really that bad? I have never tried to watch it. It sounds like the worst tv show ever.


My friend forced me to watch the first few episodes. It was okay I guess. Kinda cute. But it boggles my mid that they've lasted this many seasons just telling nerd jokes.
 
2013-01-09 10:10:33 AM

Jaws_Victim: mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.

Is it really that bad? I have never tried to watch it. It sounds like the worst tv show ever.


Imagine your comment with pauses after every two words for 30 seconds of laugh track guffaws, and a couple of stupid stereotypical "nerdy" references thrown in.
 
2013-01-09 10:11:38 AM
"the DVR's ability to delay viewing until after the point at which the networks can monetize it"

If only they could come up with a way to give people television on demand, like a DVR does, hmm...
 
2013-01-09 10:12:17 AM

Carth: Parks and Rec, Modern Family, Community and as a guilty pleasure The Middle. That is just broadcast. Going to basic cable you have Louie, Wilfred, Portlandia, Archer, futurama. Then there are the premium channels. If you're complaining there are no good shows on you need to look harder


I would also add Cougar Town. I haven't watched the episode that premiered this week but the last couple of seasons it has been my favourite show on TV.
 
2013-01-09 10:15:00 AM

mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.


I do believe I coined that term in this thread a short while ago: here

/Only I didn't use "Theory".
//Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-09 10:15:35 AM
They need to bring Rules of Engagement back already. Funniest show by far of the last few years.

Currently Tuesday night is best for comedy. Raising Hope, Ben and Kate, and New Girl are consistently watchable. The Mindy Project is not.

/I'm always told by friends I have the worst taste in everything, so take the above with a grain of salt.
 
2013-01-09 10:16:56 AM

thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.


Not sure about comedies, but I would say that for Drama's it would be the early 2000's. I mean Season 3 and 4 of the Wire was on at basically the same time as Deadwood (not to mention the last couple of seasons of The Sopranos). Are there any dramas on TV that are even close to the level of quality of The Wire or Deadwood? None of the ones I watch are and I watch a ton of TV (breaking bad comes close but it is not as good).
 
2013-01-09 10:17:43 AM
Comedies I consistently watch in order of their awesomeness:

Happy endings
New Girl
Cougar Town
Community
Parks & Rec
Don't trust the B
Modern Fam (it's waned over time)
The Mindy Project
 
2013-01-09 10:18:21 AM
Oh yeah, HIMYM is in there somewhere.
 
2013-01-09 10:19:20 AM

ZeroCorpse: mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.

I do believe I coined that term in this thread a short while ago: here

/Only I didn't use "Theory".
//Just sayin'.


People have been calling it "Nerd Blackface" for a couple years now. Just google the term.
 
2013-01-09 10:23:01 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Jaws_Victim: mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.

Is it really that bad? I have never tried to watch it. It sounds like the worst tv show ever.

Imagine your comment with pauses after every two words for 30 seconds of laugh track guffaws, and a couple of stupid stereotypical "nerdy" references thrown in.


Does this sound about right?

Me: It sounds like the worst tv show ever!
(Laugh track, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA)
Dumb Blonde: The cake is a lie amiright Jaws_Victim?
(Laugh track)
Nerd #1: Shut up and take my money!

Cause if it's like that, it should die a quick death.
 
2013-01-09 10:24:00 AM

thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.


Television has been, by far, better in the last 10 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium.

This is virtually an inarguable fact.

People who b*tch about TV being bad today just have really sh*tty taste, or just like b*tching for the sake of b*tching.
 
2013-01-09 10:26:10 AM

mechgreg: thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.

Not sure about comedies, but I would say that for Drama's it would be the early 2000's. I mean Season 3 and 4 of the Wire was on at basically the same time as Deadwood (not to mention the last couple of seasons of The Sopranos). Are there any dramas on TV that are even close to the level of quality of The Wire or Deadwood? None of the ones I watch are and I watch a ton of TV (breaking bad comes close but it is not as good).


I've never seen anything that matched The Wire for overall quality, but the best episodes of many other shows came close.

1) BSG: Baltar convincing Boomer to shoot herself, in order to save his own skin.
2) West Wing: Bartlet ranting in Latin at the end of Two Cathedrals
3) Boardwalk Empire
4) Rome
5) Homeland (season one)

As a bonus, all of them have well-rounded and fascinating (sometimes very farked up) female characters.
I have a soft spot for Person of Interest as well. Treme deserves praise as a great experiment even though I couldn't stick with it.
 
2013-01-09 10:26:47 AM

thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed?


2008.

Mad Men was still great, Breaking Bad Started, The Wire and The Shield had their last episodes. Battlestar Galactica and Lost hadn't suffered from their terrible last season. Dr Horrible was released on-line. Dexter and How I Met your Mother hadn't jumped the shark yet. True Blood premiered as a vampire show that at least had attractive people running around without clothes on. Friday Night Lights made a football show interesting to people who don't like football and Fringe evolved from a monster of the week show to one of the best sci-fi shows on tv.
 
2013-01-09 10:27:00 AM
When Fox boss

Anddddd, I stopped right there. If somehow Fox actually came up with another good show - comedy or otherwise - they'd just end up canceling it anyway.
 
2013-01-09 10:27:40 AM

sigdiamond2000: thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.

Television has been, by far, better in the last 10 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium.

This is virtually an inarguable fact.

People who b*tch about TV being bad today just have really sh*tty taste, or just like b*tching for the sake of b*tching.


I think the average TV show is probably about the same quality as it has ever been. It is just the extremes have gotten much more extreme. I mean shows like The Wire (or even the best episodes of Man Men) are probably some of the best TV ever made. At the same time shows like Teen Mom or Honey Boo Boo are way way way worse than any show that was on between the time that TV was on in the first 70 years of TV.
 
2013-01-09 10:27:59 AM
Relevant...

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2013-01-09 10:28:58 AM

Jaws_Victim: FirstNationalBastard: Jaws_Victim: mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.

Is it really that bad? I have never tried to watch it. It sounds like the worst tv show ever.

Imagine your comment with pauses after every two words for 30 seconds of laugh track guffaws, and a couple of stupid stereotypical "nerdy" references thrown in.

Does this sound about right?

Me: It sounds like the worst tv show ever!
(Laugh track, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA)
Dumb Blonde: The cake is a lie amiright Jaws_Victim?
(Laugh track)
Nerd #1: Shut up and take my money!

Cause if it's like that, it should die a quick death.


You should send a copy of that to Chuck Lorre. You could make it big in Hollywood.
 
2013-01-09 10:29:07 AM
comedies

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2013-01-09 10:29:26 AM

mechgreg: sigdiamond2000: thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.

Television has been, by far, better in the last 10 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium.

This is virtually an inarguable fact.

People who b*tch about TV being bad today just have really sh*tty taste, or just like b*tching for the sake of b*tching.

I think the average TV show is probably about the same quality as it has ever been. It is just the extremes have gotten much more extreme. I mean shows like The Wire (or even the best episodes of Man Men) are probably some of the best TV ever made. At the same time shows like Teen Mom or Honey Boo Boo are way way way worse than any show that was on between the time that TV was on in the first 70 years of TV.


Completely agree.  Also: premium cable tv has gotten better. Network tv has gotten worse.
 
2013-01-09 10:29:36 AM

sigdiamond2000: thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.

Television has been, by far, better in the last 10 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium.

This is virtually an inarguable fact.

People who b*tch about TV being bad today just have really sh*tty taste, or just like b*tching for the sake of b*tching.


I'd actually say the 90s had some great. great television, there was a slight dip in the early 2000s and then the cable networks started creating some outstanding shows.
 
2013-01-09 10:30:41 AM

mechgreg: At the same time shows like Teen Mom or Honey Boo Boo are way way way worse than any show that was on between the time that TV was on in the first 70 years of TV.


No question, but no one is forcing anybody to watch those shows. Just because they exist doesn't mean TV is bad nowadays.
 
2013-01-09 10:33:24 AM

mechgreg: sigdiamond2000: thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.

Television has been, by far, better in the last 10 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium.

This is virtually an inarguable fact.

People who b*tch about TV being bad today just have really sh*tty taste, or just like b*tching for the sake of b*tching.

I think the average TV show is probably about the same quality as it has ever been. It is just the extremes have gotten much more extreme. I mean shows like The Wire (or even the best episodes of Man Men) are probably some of the best TV ever made. At the same time shows like Teen Mom or Honey Boo Boo are way way way worse than any show that was on between the time that TV was on in the first 70 years of TV.




At least in the old days, they had the decency to come out and apologize for shiatty shows.
 
2013-01-09 10:44:07 AM
They get what they deserve for cancelling The Good Guys.
 
2013-01-09 10:45:29 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Jaws_Victim: mechgreg: FirstNationalBastard: Nerd Minstrel Show Theory ARE what people are watching.

That's a good name for that show. I like to call it "Comic Book Guy: the Series". Since they basically took all of the jokes and stereotypes that the Simpsons has used for Comic Book Guy (which work when used occasionally) and built a show around them.

Is it really that bad? I have never tried to watch it. It sounds like the worst tv show ever.

Imagine your comment with pauses after every two words for 30 seconds of laugh track guffaws, and a couple of stupid stereotypical "nerdy" references thrown in.


Oh, and no scene can be longer than 3 minutes. Every scene change must be accentuated by a few seconds of leftover "Third Rock From the Sun" animated graphics.
 
2013-01-09 10:47:09 AM
I really, really love Ben and Kate. And Archer. And Parks and Rec. And Louie. Other than that, I don't think I'm watching any comedies that are still on the air.
 
2013-01-09 10:47:10 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: mechgreg: sigdiamond2000: thurstonxhowell: When was the golden age of TV that people seem to pretending existed? As far as I can tell, the watchable stuff on TV today is better written, better acted, and better produced than it ever has been in the past. What's more, I would say that, in absolute quantity, there is more watchable stuff on TV than ever before.

Television has been, by far, better in the last 10 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium.

This is virtually an inarguable fact.

People who b*tch about TV being bad today just have really sh*tty taste, or just like b*tching for the sake of b*tching.

I think the average TV show is probably about the same quality as it has ever been. It is just the extremes have gotten much more extreme. I mean shows like The Wire (or even the best episodes of Man Men) are probably some of the best TV ever made. At the same time shows like Teen Mom or Honey Boo Boo are way way way worse than any show that was on between the time that TV was on in the first 70 years of TV.

Completely agree.  Also: premium cable tv has gotten better. Network tv has gotten worse.


I don't know about that. Go back and look at what shows were getting nominated for Drama Emmys back in the '80s. The Rockford Files, LA Law, Murder She Wrote, Miami Vice, Magnum PI. Fine shows, certainly, but Emmy worthy? Then look at what the networks have produced for Emmy dramas in the last five years. Friday Night Lights, The Good Wife, Lost, House, 24. Those were all great shows (at least at times) that tried way more, and accomplished way more than all the straightforward procedurals that came before them.

You're right in that premium cable has far outstripped network television, but the networks have adapted some of the elements that make cable dramas work and they're putting out a much better product (at least in terms of drama) than they did 25 years ago.
 
2013-01-09 10:48:16 AM
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Never fear, Earthlings. Larry Bird, with the able assistance of his people, will gladly revive and dominate your art form of "situation comedies"!
 
2013-01-09 10:49:53 AM

ReapTheChaos: "the DVR's ability to delay viewing until after the point at which the networks can monetize it"

If only they could come up with a way to give people television on demand, like a DVR does, hmm...


And that's only half of the problem.

Networks need to realize that immediately after something is aired the ability to monetize it has dropped like a rock. It's not zero, but it's close. Once the whole season wraps up there is a small bump in value of that season as well as past ones. If they can make it convenient and cheap then they'll beat the DVR's and the pirates. They can even cater to the time-frame of those that binge-watch and make it available for 48 hours.

It confounds me that I have this "On Demand" service and it's both terrible and expensive.
 
2013-01-09 10:50:56 AM

abhorrent1: comedies

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What's up with the guy from Homeland having such long hair!
 
2013-01-09 10:53:08 AM
I don't blame the networks that much. I honestly think Arrested Development was one of the top funniest shows of all time and people diddn't watch it. So the message the networks get from that is to not make more shows like it. And I'm betting half the audience of the top rated sitcoms are doing something else while watching TV and only giving it half their attention.
 
2013-01-09 10:53:33 AM
There are two reasons to watch Broke Girls.
 
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