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2013-01-09 07:28:26 AM  
Hey a stripper got to make a living too!

Beside once they graduate Law School they can come back as community organizers.
 
2013-01-09 07:30:18 AM  
A friend of mine tried to use the ATM at a strip club. Luckily for him he was so drunk he thought the touchscreen was broken because he couldn't see the buttons.
 
2013-01-09 07:30:38 AM  
NY Post
Opinion
No byline
 
2013-01-09 07:33:22 AM  
Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.
 
2013-01-09 07:34:09 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: NY Post
Opinion
No byline


That just means that it's by the editorial board of the NY Post. But then again, the NY Post is only good for lining birdcages, so it don't matter.
 
2013-01-09 07:48:36 AM  

RexTalionis: HotWingConspiracy: NY Post
Opinion
No byline

That just means that it's by the editorial board of the NY Post. But then again, the NY Post is only good for lining birdcages, so it don't matter.


Yeah, seems really ball-less to call someone a twit and not even put a proper byline. Makes me doubt the veracity of the quotes as well.
 
2013-01-09 07:49:00 AM  
Didn't we beat this to death? "Dozens of transactions out of 200 million".

That said, here's some salaciousness...

www.nypost.com
//Hot
 
2013-01-09 07:50:17 AM  

Animatronik: Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.


So you think they're relying on heroin addicts to remember election day?
 
2013-01-09 07:58:30 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.

So you think they're relying on heroin addicts to remember election day?


HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.

So you think they're relying on heroin addicts to remember election day?


If you think he actually thinks about anything, you've got another think coming.
 
2013-01-09 07:58:36 AM  
...because it's unthinkable that a worker there might need to make a withdrawal before going to take their dinner break... If the ATM at the strip joint does EBT transactions and some guy who qualifies for cash from it uses it to get a lapdace or tip someone on the stage that's unfortunate. I really think that an attempt to micromanage how people spend their welfare benefits is doomed to failure and probably not worth the effort in the end. I'd rather see fewer people needing welfare than worry about chasing people who might be abusing the system. Maybe we could inject some cash into areas of the economy where there is a high marginal propensity to spend and that will help some by generating more demand for goods and services...
 
2013-01-09 08:15:59 AM  
"[G]in joints"? What century was this thing written in?
 
2013-01-09 08:17:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.

So you think they're relying on heroin addicts to remember election day?


Yes. And many many other groups. Its not that hard to remember one thing. The great 21st century innovation of the Democratic Party is the use of computers and community activists to remind the recipients of govt largesse that they have a duty to perform, and their money depends on it: voting for the local and national politicians who keep the money coming.
 
2013-01-09 08:17:52 AM  
Do I like my tax dollars being used for lap dances? Hell no! But do I think we should spend hundreds of thousands - maybe even millions of dollars more - to keep a few people from spending hundreds of dollars on lap dances? No, that's stupid.
 
2013-01-09 08:20:08 AM  

DeaH: Do I like my tax dollars being used for lap dances? Hell no! But do I think we should spend hundreds of thousands - maybe even millions of dollars more - to keep a few people from spending hundreds of dollars on lap dances? No, that's stupid.


Yeah, that pretty much sums it up for me...
 
2013-01-09 08:20:09 AM  

Animatronik: HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.

So you think they're relying on heroin addicts to remember election day?

Yes.


You're very dumb and should be ashamed of that.
 
2013-01-09 08:28:59 AM  
EBT cash benefit is, for all intensive porpoises, Cash. If you don't want people using it places you don't like, don't qualify them for EBT cash benefit.

EBT cash is not always 'welfare'. Disability, child support, and other non-entitlement payouts are often used with EBT.

So you're telling some poor schmuck who fell off a roof while building and gets government worker's comp payouts that he can't go get titilated.

Just because it's the government payout system doesn't mean it's always YOUR tax dollars being paid out.
 
2013-01-09 08:43:56 AM  

thurstonxhowell: "[G]in joints"? What century was this thing written in?


Meet the NY Post Editorial Board

brightlightsfilm.com
 
2013-01-09 08:44:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.

So you think they're relying on heroin addicts to remember election day?

Yes.

You're very dumb and should be ashamed of that.


HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: HotWingConspiracy: Animatronik: Whether you're a firefighter or a heroin addict looking for a lapdance, its all the same to that guy, he'll keep the checks coming as long as they remember to keep the votes coming.

/they should declare election day a holiday for hookers and dealers.

So you think they're relying on heroin addicts to remember election day?

Yes.

You're very dumb and should be ashamed of that.


Now, now, never call a sociopathic liar "dumb." Being dumb is NOT a requirement for being a sociopath and a liar.
 
2013-01-09 08:45:48 AM  

Fjornir: ...because it's unthinkable that a worker there might need to make a withdrawal before going to take their dinner break... If the ATM at the strip joint does EBT transactions and some guy who qualifies for cash from it uses it to get a lapdace or tip someone on the stage that's unfortunate. I really think that an attempt to micromanage how people spend their welfare benefits is doomed to failure and probably not worth the effort in the end. I'd rather see fewer people needing welfare than worry about chasing people who might be abusing the system. Maybe we could inject some cash into areas of the economy where there is a high marginal propensity to spend and that will help some by generating more demand for goods and services...


That might make life easier on the poor. Can't have that, because, after all, they aren't really human. Humans wouldn't be poor.
 
2013-01-09 08:50:10 AM  

Glicky: Didn't we beat this to death? "Dozens of transactions out of 200 million".

That said, here's some salaciousness...

[www.nypost.com image 300x450]
//Hot


Actually article states Dozens of Locations, not transactions.
 
2013-01-09 08:50:55 AM  

thurstonxhowell: "[G]in joints"? What century was this thing written in?


The one every Republican wishes we still lived in.
 
2013-01-09 08:52:33 AM  
Every time I read an article on the NY Post, I am reminded that we are through the idiocracy looking glass.
 
2013-01-09 08:53:50 AM  

MindStalker: Glicky: Didn't we beat this to death? "Dozens of transactions out of 200 million".

That said, here's some salaciousness...

[www.nypost.com image 300x450]
//Hot

Actually article states Dozens of Locations, not transactions.


FTA: A database of 200 million Electronic Benefit Transfer records from January 2011 to July 2012, obtained by The Post through a Freedom of Information request, showed welfare recipients using their EBT cards to make dozens of cash withdrawals at ATMs inside Hank's Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.
 
2013-01-09 08:54:00 AM  

MindStalker: Glicky: Didn't we beat this to death? "Dozens of transactions out of 200 million".

That said, here's some salaciousness...

[www.nypost.com image 300x450]
//Hot

Actually article states Dozens of Locations, not transactions.


Take your facts and get out.
 
2013-01-09 08:58:24 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Hey a stripper got to make a living too!

Beside once they graduate Law School they can come back as community organizers.


There is a girl working at the club I visit who did doctoral work in anthropolgy and another who quit working as an R.N. to strip.

It does happen.
 
2013-01-09 09:19:39 AM  
FTFA: Gottfried, of course, was an arrogant twit when he went to Albany 40 years ago

Ah. It's so refreshing to see fine journalism these days.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:39 AM  

Yes please: MindStalker: Glicky: Didn't we beat this to death? "Dozens of transactions out of 200 million".

That said, here's some salaciousness...

[www.nypost.com image 300x450]
//Hot

Actually article states Dozens of Locations, not transactions.

Take your facts and get out.


"Facts" here being defined as falsehoods with which you agree.
 
2013-01-09 09:26:52 AM  
dozens of cash withdrawl's at dozens of locations is still a tiny fraction of a percent out of 200 million
 
2013-01-09 09:39:39 AM  

DeaH: Do I like my tax dollars being used for lap dances? Hell no! But do I think we should spend hundreds of thousands - maybe even millions of dollars more - to keep a few people from spending hundreds of dollars on lap dances? No, that's stupid.


That.
 
2013-01-09 10:00:04 AM  
Ah, america's own Daily Mail. Remember when food stamps were actually pieces of paper and not some magnetic swipe card? It's a lot harder to blow those on 7.00 scotch and Cokes and titties.
 
2013-01-09 10:03:15 AM  

bunner: Ah, america's own Daily Mail. Remember when food stamps were actually pieces of paper and not some magnetic swipe card? It's a lot harder to blow those on 7.00 scotch and Cokes and titties.


Funny thing is there's a lot less fraud with the current system and it costs less to implement.
 
2013-01-09 10:14:49 AM  

PirateKing: EBT cash benefit is, for all intensive porpoises, Cash


*twitch*

intents and purposes.
 
2013-01-09 10:16:41 AM  

Fart_Machine: bunner: Ah, america's own Daily Mail. Remember when food stamps were actually pieces of paper and not some magnetic swipe card? It's a lot harder to blow those on 7.00 scotch and Cokes and titties.

Funny thing is there's a lot less fraud with the current system and it costs less to implement.


I can foresee the rage when, in order to combat this problem, the gubbamint mandates private companies to decline EBT cards at certain types of locations.
 
2013-01-09 10:16:56 AM  
Clearly if you just make it impossible for them to withdraw cash at the strip club, they won't spend money there. Nobody would ever think to use the bank down the street, or a grocery store. This is yet another law that will completely fail at the desired objective, because the people making the laws are unable or unwilling to admit that a problem is unsolvable without destroying certain constitutional rights. So the real answer is to make a law that they know is ineffective to appease the unrealistic idiots clamoring for a solution to a problem that isn't anywhere near the top of our list of things hurting America. Why does this song sound so familiar?
 
2013-01-09 10:34:33 AM  

BilldaCat10: PirateKing: EBT cash benefit is, for all intensive porpoises, Cash

*twitch*

intents and purposes.


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2013-01-09 10:42:45 AM  

Summoner101: BilldaCat10: PirateKing: EBT cash benefit is, for all intensive porpoises, Cash

*twitch*

intents and purposes.

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:(

/facepalm
 
kab
2013-01-09 10:50:09 AM  
I don't see how this is a problem.

People make poor decisions all the time, are we going to pursue outlawing every one of them?
 
2013-01-09 11:55:32 AM  

Fjornir: ...because it's unthinkable that a worker there might need to make a withdrawal before going to take their dinner break... If the ATM at the strip joint does EBT transactions and some guy who qualifies for cash from it uses it to get a lapdace or tip someone on the stage that's unfortunate. I really think that an attempt to micromanage how people spend their welfare benefits is doomed to failure and probably not worth the effort in the end. I'd rather see fewer people needing welfare than worry about chasing people who might be abusing the system. Maybe we could inject some cash into areas of the economy where there is a high marginal propensity to spend and that will help some by generating more demand for goods and services...


Fewer pepole needing welfare does not reduce the number of people getting welfare. I used to buy something expensive that came in very small bags from a guy who had his wife run over to the store to pick up some T-bones on the WIC/LINK card. For which I thank you all...
 
2013-01-09 11:56:12 AM  
Sorry, not pepole, I meant pee hole.
 
2013-01-09 12:26:15 PM  
If you're not rich you'd better be miserable, dammit. If you're having a good time it means you're not working hard enough. An hour at a strip club is an hour that could have been spent flipping burgers. My god, can you believe some of these people do things like take lunch breaks, have sex, and spend several hours EVERY DAY sleeping?
 
2013-01-09 12:49:47 PM  

Fjornir: ...because it's unthinkable that a worker there might need to make a withdrawal before going to take their dinner break... If the ATM at the strip joint does EBT transactions and some guy who qualifies for cash from it uses it to get a lapdace or tip someone on the stage that's unfortunate. I really think that an attempt to micromanage how people spend their welfare benefits is doomed to failure and probably not worth the effort in the end. I'd rather see fewer people needing welfare than worry about chasing people who might be abusing the system. Maybe we could inject some cash into areas of the economy where there is a high marginal propensity to spend and that will help some by generating more demand for goods and services...


Wow, I just love the idiocy of Liberal thinking. "Let's put in a machine that 99% will abuse on the off chance that 1% of the time it might be legitimately used by someone on welfare." And, yes, if a person is too lazy to aspire for a working wage, then having an ATM machine even 100 yards away would probably be a good deterrent from them wanting to use my tax dollars for their entertainment.

Reminds of the time I posted a picture of a white trash fat-ass woman in Walmart wearing pajamas. My Lib-tard friends were like, "Maybe that's all she can afford." I'm like, "Then why does she have a $2 bottle of designer water in her hand?" They reply, "Maybe she doesn't have water at home."

/P.S. both my father and my wife were born dirt-poor (we're talking no-running-water poor). One's a millionaire and the other is now solidly middle class.
 
2013-01-09 12:51:38 PM  
To be fair, spending money at a strip club in general is money wasted. It is like going to a restaurant hungry, paying to look at food, then leaving.
 
2013-01-09 01:20:29 PM  
To be fair, a stripper that isn't making any money would also be on EBT. At least by having a person pay another person by EBT, it keeps one of the people off of the system.


Devils advocate and all.
 
2013-01-09 03:18:38 PM  

bunner: Ah, america's own Daily Mail. Remember when food stamps were actually pieces of paper and not some magnetic swipe card? It's a lot harder to blow those on 7.00 scotch and Cokes and titties.


This isn't food stamp money, it's cash benefits.  Prior to the EBT cards, these came in the form of a check.  A check which could be cashed and used for $7 scotch and cokes and titties, just as easily (and less tracable) as the swipe cards.
 
2013-01-09 03:26:31 PM  

El_Perro: bunner: Ah, america's own Daily Mail. Remember when food stamps were actually pieces of paper and not some magnetic swipe card? It's a lot harder to blow those on 7.00 scotch and Cokes and titties.

This isn't food stamp money, it's cash benefits.  Prior to the EBT cards, these came in the form of a check.  A check which could be cashed and used for $7 scotch and cokes and titties, just as easily (and less tracable) as the swipe cards.


Ah. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.
 
2013-01-09 03:56:37 PM  

Catsaregreen: Fjornir: ...because it's unthinkable that a worker there might need to make a withdrawal before going to take their dinner break... If the ATM at the strip joint does EBT transactions and some guy who qualifies for cash from it uses it to get a lapdace or tip someone on the stage that's unfortunate. I really think that an attempt to micromanage how people spend their welfare benefits is doomed to failure and probably not worth the effort in the end. I'd rather see fewer people needing welfare than worry about chasing people who might be abusing the system. Maybe we could inject some cash into areas of the economy where there is a high marginal propensity to spend and that will help some by generating more demand for goods and services...

Wow, I just love the idiocy of Liberal thinking. "Let's put in a machine that 99% will abuse on the off chance that 1% of the time it might be legitimately used by someone on welfare." And, yes, if a person is too lazy to aspire for a working wage, then having an ATM machine even 100 yards away would probably be a good deterrent from them wanting to use my tax dollars for their entertainment.

Reminds of the time I posted a picture of a white trash fat-ass woman in Walmart wearing pajamas. My Lib-tard friends were like, "Maybe that's all she can afford." I'm like, "Then why does she have a $2 bottle of designer water in her hand?" They reply, "Maybe she doesn't have water at home."

/P.S. both my father and my wife were born dirt-poor (we're talking no-running-water poor). One's a millionaire and the other is now solidly middle class.


Wow, i love the idiocy of conservative thinking. Even assuming that by "dozens of transactions at dozens of establishments" means just short of a gross of transactions at a gross of establishments, the percentage of abuse at these machines is infinitesimally small. 143 x 143 = 20,449 transactions, / 200 million transactions = %.00010225. THE HORROR
 
2013-01-09 04:00:08 PM  
Make that %.010225.
 
2013-01-09 08:33:46 PM  

orlandomagik: Wow, i love the idiocy of conservative thinking. Even assuming that by "dozens of transactions at dozens of establishments" means just short of a gross of transactions at a gross of establishments, the percentage of abuse at these machines is infinitesimally small. 143 x 143 = 20,449 transactions, / 200 million transactions = %.00010225. THE HORROR


Do you think the Post really went through all 200 million transactions in the entire state of New York? Really?

They found a few juicy ones, stopped looking because they had enough to justify putting a picture of a stripper on Page 1, wrote their story and hit the bars.

It should be understandable to the casual observer that what the Post did was find a few illustrative examples of misuse. It's more or less what the Times did back in 2005 when they did a series of stories on Medicaid fraud in New York. They found a few juicy examples. A dentist claiming she performed 991 procedures in one day, that kind of thing. The Times was a lot more thorough in their reporting on the issue, and arrived at the conclusion that the fraud rate for the state's Medicaid system was around 10% with another 10-30% wasted.

But the Times did not run a full audit of the Medicaid system, and the Post did not run a full audit of the welfare system.

My guess is that welfare-EBT-card misuse is going to be greater than what food-stamp-card fraud is: around 1 percent, because it's easier to use the welfare cards as cash.

The trouble with tracking down the dodgy vendors who take part in EBT and SNAP scams is that if they're barred from participating in government welfare programs, they just get back in under new names and phantom owners...so that 1% number might be lowball.

I wonder how many of these strip-joint ATMs have crooks' skimmers on them...aside from the skimming done every month by JP Morgan Chase who pocket a piece of about half the country's monthly EBT payments for administering the system.
 
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