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2013-01-09 09:53:45 AM  
If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads
 
2013-01-09 10:40:57 AM  

unlikely: If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads


It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!
 
2013-01-09 10:48:35 AM  
God damn, al-Jazeera, you guys rock.
 
2013-01-09 10:52:28 AM  

make me some tea: unlikely: If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads

It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!


Or if you oppose West Bank settlement expansion.  Or any political position that doesn't include giving Israel millions each year and calling them BFFs.
 
2013-01-09 10:55:31 AM  
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2013-01-09 10:57:20 AM  

make me some tea: It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!


I remember how after Israel starting bombing Gaza, a group starting raising money for humanitarian efforts in Palestine. The Israeli consulate when off the farking deep end about supporting terror and anti Semitism.

/difficulty: the effort was being run by a rather liberal synagogue
 
2013-01-09 10:58:17 AM  

make me some tea: unlikely: If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads

It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!


Done here. Time to turn out the lights.
 
2013-01-09 10:58:54 AM  
Ah, twitter. Hanging liars and idiots with their own words is an attractive feature of your service.
 
2013-01-09 11:00:36 AM  
Israel has the same stance against people that criticize them as the GOP has against people who criticize the wealthy.
 
2013-01-09 11:01:19 AM  

ha-ha-guy: make me some tea: It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!

I remember how after Israel starting bombing Gaza, a group starting raising money for humanitarian efforts in Palestine. The Israeli consulate when off the farking deep end about supporting terror and anti Semitism.

/difficulty: the effort was being run by a rather liberal synagogue


Liberals are well-known anti-semites. It's why they're nazis, according to Jonah Goldstein.
 
2013-01-09 11:01:35 AM  

make me some tea: unlikely: If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads

It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!


You two have used the word Israel or Israeli twice without ONCE using the term "Jewish state".

You are both rabid anti-Semites.
 
2013-01-09 11:01:56 AM  
I once refused to give a blowie to some guy who looks vaguely Ariel Sharon in the bathroom of of a Wendy's. I'm pretty sure that makes me a raging, Hitler-loving, king of anti-Semites.

/actually might have been him
 
2013-01-09 11:02:06 AM  
I have not seen the Al Jazeera TV channel, although I do remember watching a movie about them sometime after the Iraq Invasion and was rather impressed with the even handed nature that their anchors where presenting information. In one scene I remember in particular there was a telephone interview being done, and the person on the phone was something of a crackpot, so after the interview the anchor goes back to the newsroom and raises hell about why the loon was even being interviewed in the first place.

I have read some of their Op/Eds on the website and I have to admit that they were interesting insights into the region, specifically the political processes in Egypt.
 
2013-01-09 11:04:29 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: make me some tea: unlikely: If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads

It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!

You two have used the word Israel or Israeli twice without ONCE using the term "Jewish state".

You are both rabid anti-Semites.


But keep in mind if you call Israel a Jewish state, you clearly have an issue with Jews and it's anti-semitic.
 
2013-01-09 11:04:42 AM  

make me some tea: unlikely: If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads

It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!


My wife is Israeli and hates carter. I like carter and think Israel should GTFO west bank.

so glad the holidays are over chag samayach my ass.
 
2013-01-09 11:07:50 AM  

unlikely: If you don't support Israel

virulent Christozionism, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

Edited for accuracy
 
2013-01-09 11:08:42 AM  
If he doesn't remember it, then it's not true. Just like Reagan "felt in his heart" that he didn't trade arms for hostages, even though the facts proved otherwise.
 
2013-01-09 11:09:53 AM  

tinderfitles: Al Jazeera TV channel


If you have the time, AJE streams the shows from their website.  However, the streams usually stop near the end of shows for me, and I can't stand restarting the stream.
 
2013-01-09 11:10:44 AM  

tinderfitles: I have not seen the Al Jazeera TV channel, although I do remember watching a movie about them sometime after the Iraq Invasion and was rather impressed with the even handed nature that their anchors where presenting information. In one scene I remember in particular there was a telephone interview being done, and the person on the phone was something of a crackpot, so after the interview the anchor goes back to the newsroom and raises hell about why the loon was even being interviewed in the first place.

I have read some of their Op/Eds on the website and I have to admit that they were interesting insights into the region, specifically the political processes in Egypt.


Watch it anytime right here:  http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

It's my #1 go-to for international news channel at this point. Also, my area, NYC, is one of the few markets where Time Warner carries it, channel 92. I see no reason why it shouldn't be carried by all cable companies in this country, but for some reason too many people have the impression that they're pro-terrorism and pro-Islamic. All you have to do is watch it for awhile and you'll realize that perception is completely wrong.
 
2013-01-09 11:12:45 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Boudica's War Tampon: make me some tea: unlikely: If you don't support Israel, you're Anti-Semitic. That's what Anti-Semitic means.

/or at least that's what I've learned reading Israeli news releases, NewsMax, and Fark threads

It's also possible to be supportive of Israel, but critical of some of their policies and actions toward the Palestinians. That also means you must be anti-Semitic!

You two have used the word Israel or Israeli twice without ONCE using the term "Jewish state".

You are both rabid anti-Semites.

But keep in mind if you call Israel a Jewish state, you clearly have an issue with Jews and it's anti-semitic.


If I was Jewish, I would hate myself right about now. But then I would hate myself for hating myself.
 
2013-01-09 11:13:02 AM  
"Ummmmmm, well, that is my picture."

Lol. Just answer the farking question. You can't look at a Twitter account and determine if its your handle or not? You can't remember what you typed in 2009, but you can remember everything that Jimmy Carter has ever said about Isreal?
 
2013-01-09 11:14:10 AM  

xanadian: God damn, al-Jazeera, you guys rock.



Doing the work American Media won't do.
 
2013-01-09 11:14:17 AM  

tinderfitles: I have not seen the Al Jazeera TV channel, although I do remember watching a movie about them sometime after the Iraq Invasion and was rather impressed with the even handed nature that their anchors where presenting information. In one scene I remember in particular there was a telephone interview being done, and the person on the phone was something of a crackpot, so after the interview the anchor goes back to the newsroom and raises hell about why the loon was even being interviewed in the first place.

I have read some of their Op/Eds on the website and I have to admit that they were interesting insights into the region, specifically the political processes in Egypt.


You can watch it online for free. Streaming on their site and special reports / documentaries on YouTube. The Aral Sea one is great and completely depressing.

I first started watching during the 03 Gaza war, when the Arabic Christian coffeeshop I studied at flipped the TVs off soccer and MTV and put on Al Jazeera... which had constant live coverage before nytimes.com could be bothered with putting it on their home page. They're not perfect but if there's breaking worldwide news I default to them or BBC, probably depending where it is. Their live Egypt coverage was amazing.
 
2013-01-09 11:16:45 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: If I was Jewish, I would hate myself right about now. But then I would hate myself for hating myself.


On the other hand, you'd be better at sports,
 
2013-01-09 11:16:52 AM  
Facts are anti-semitic.
 
2013-01-09 11:20:59 AM  

Vectron: xanadian: God damn, al-Jazeera, you guys rock.


Doing the work American Media won't do.


There's still good journalism, but I can just listen to BBC or watch AJ for a half an hour and get a relatively even handed report of important events. Every time I accidentally catch CNN, MSNBC, or Fox I end up facepalming or getting pissed off within 15, if it even takes that long.
 
2013-01-09 11:21:30 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: tinderfitles: Al Jazeera TV channel

If you have the time, AJE streams the shows from their website.  However, the streams usually stop near the end of shows for me, and I can't stand restarting the stream.


They also have archived programmes, and apparently now a livestream here  http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish
 
2013-01-09 11:24:31 AM  
Roku has an al Jazeera channel I believe.
 
2013-01-09 11:28:57 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: But keep in mind if you call Israel a Jewish state, you clearly have an issue with Jews and it's anti-semitic.


If you conflate the Israel lobby with the Jewish lobby, you're likely anti-Semitic. It's possible you're woefully un(der)informed, but when seasoned politicos do it, that explanation is less likely.

If you claim that "the Jewish state" acts as it does BECAUSE it's a Jewish state (and is acting under religious doctrine), you're also likely anti-Semitic.

If you claim that the Jewishness of Israel is a bad thing, you're probably anti-Semitic. (If it's part of a larger "no countries should have official religions", you're no more anti-Semitic than you are anti-Muslim or anti-Hindu. So there's that.)

Israel IS a Jewish state, though. Its official religion is "Jewish". That's a fact. If one could not say that without being anti-Semitic, then a self-hater am I.

// and most of the above claims assume contextual support as well
// if you walk into a room, say: "The Jewish State is bad to Palestinians", then leave, I'm not sure I could classify it one way or another
// what's that? short blanket statements often need context before in-depth analysis can be done? the HELL you say!
 
2013-01-09 11:30:36 AM  
Not to be petty, but wouldn't an Isreal Lobbyist be someone who lobbies Isreal?

/Okay, maybe to be petty
//... Fine, definitely to be petty.
 
2013-01-09 11:33:51 AM  

VoxPersonaque: Not to be petty, but wouldn't an Isreal Lobbyist be someone who lobbies Isreal?

/Okay, maybe to be petty
//... Fine, definitely to be petty.


Is a pharmaceutical lobbyist someone who lobbies pharmaceuticals. Oil lobbyist?
 
2013-01-09 11:37:12 AM  
Then Rushing produces Marcus tweets declaring Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic. "Is Jimmy Carter selling out his anti-Semitic principles..." Etc. Watch Marcus's nonplused response. "The date of that is 2009, I don't recall that."

How very Gingrich of him.
 
2013-01-09 11:38:11 AM  

jigger: VoxPersonaque: Not to be petty, but wouldn't an Isreal Lobbyist be someone who lobbies Isreal?

/Okay, maybe to be petty
//... Fine, definitely to be petty.

Is a pharmaceutical lobbyist someone who lobbies pharmaceuticals. Oil lobbyist?


An Israel lobbyist would lobby Israel.
An Israeli lobbyist would be Israeli by nationality. They could be lobbying Uzbekistan for all we know.
 
2013-01-09 11:47:51 AM  

had98c: jigger: VoxPersonaque: Not to be petty, but wouldn't an Isreal Lobbyist be someone who lobbies Isreal?

/Okay, maybe to be petty
//... Fine, definitely to be petty.

Is a pharmaceutical lobbyist someone who lobbies pharmaceuticals. Oil lobbyist?

An Israel lobbyist would lobby Israel.
An Israeli lobbyist would be Israeli by nationality. They could be lobbying Uzbekistan for all we know.


Oh, I think we all know who they're lobbying.
 
2013-01-09 11:48:16 AM  

Karac: Then Rushing produces Marcus tweets declaring Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic. "Is Jimmy Carter selling out his anti-Semitic principles..." Etc. Watch Marcus's nonplused response. "The date of that is 2009, I don't recall that."

How very Gingrich of him.


The internet, it is out there for everyone. How long until people realize this?
 
2013-01-09 11:49:48 AM  

Dr Dreidel: If you conflate the Israel lobby with the Jewish lobby, you're likely anti-Semitic


So is AIPAC anti-semitic?

Because they're quite adept at suggesting that criticism of Israel is merely disguised anti-semitism, or anti-Jewish. Then they hold that you're anti-Jewish for buying in to their argument.

You can't use it as a sword and a shield.
 
2013-01-09 11:50:11 AM  
"Anti-semite" is so last century. Let's bring back "Judenhass".
 
2013-01-09 11:54:39 AM  

Karac: Then Rushing produces Marcus tweets declaring Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic. "Is Jimmy Carter selling out his anti-Semitic principles..." Etc. Watch Marcus's nonplused response. "The date of that is 2009, I don't recall that."

How very Gingrich of him.


Boggles MY mind bc *I* remember that. I'm not Jewish or from the Middle East, I don't work in and haven't studied international politics in college, just try to stay informed. And I remembered. Couldn't tell you *who* said it but COME ON.
 
2013-01-09 11:55:33 AM  
HotWingConspiracy So is AIPAC anti-semitic?

Because they're quite adept at suggesting that criticism of Israel is merely disguised anti-semitism, or anti-Jewish. Then they hold that you're anti-Jewish for buying in to their argument.


Its OK when they do it. Because Hitler or something.
 
2013-01-09 12:01:37 PM  
Lumpmoose
Or if you oppose West Bank settlement expansion. Or any political position that doesn't include giving Israel millions each year and calling them BFFs.

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-01-09 12:03:25 PM  
The worst part about it is that there actually is a lot of real Jewish-hate out there on the internet and whatnot right now. Most of it seems to come from the ridiculous conspiracy theory crowd and stormfront jackoffs but this doesn't get addressed and the focus is on anyone who questions the actions of Israel.
 
2013-01-09 12:05:39 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dr Dreidel: If you conflate the Israel lobby with the Jewish lobby, you're likely anti-Semitic

So is AIPAC anti-semitic?

Because they're quite adept at suggesting that criticism of Israel is merely disguised anti-semitism, or anti-Jewish. Then they hold that you're anti-Jewish for buying in to their argument.

You can't use it as a sword and a shield.


The list of problems I have with AIPAC goes far beyond using that particular rhetorical sleight-of-hand. I could make a roundabout argument that yes, they are (as they unintentionally drag those of us not affiliated with them into their bullhorn with that argument), but instead I'll just say there is enough context to AIPAC's words and deeds to show that they're not anti-Semitic. Context is important (and, dare I say, can be even more so than the actual words spoken) - I said as much above.

AIPAC is a huge lobbying organization, and one that has to fund-raise. They'll take any offhand comment, or anything that can be interpreted to be in any way anti-Semitic, and turn it into an appeal (the same way Team Obama/Romney did during the elections. I hate those fundraising e-mails that cite a single comment by an assistant to Kansas' Comptroller's secretary's dog-walker as 'proof that the GOP is going to cancel social programs in YOUR area!'). I don't like it, but it's hardly surprising.
 
2013-01-09 12:08:48 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dr Dreidel: If you conflate the Israel lobby with the Jewish lobby, you're likely anti-Semitic

So is AIPAC anti-semitic?

Because they're quite adept at suggesting that criticism of Israel is merely disguised anti-semitism, or anti-Jewish. Then they hold that you're anti-Jewish for buying in to their argument.

You can't use it as a sword and a shield.


You know there are quite vocal Jewish and yes Israeli (remember Venn Diagrams not synonymous) lobbyists (because petitioning for change is lobbying) who advocate for Palestinians right? Hell, I had a friend who worked/lived at Hillel and the anti war and Jewish/Muslim student groups were both well represented.

Don't paint with a broad brush, it's always stupid if done figuratively.
 
2013-01-09 12:14:53 PM  

ordinarysteve: The worst part about it is that there actually is a lot of real Jewish-hate out there on the internet and whatnot right now. Most of it seems to come from the ridiculous conspiracy theory crowd and stormfront jackoffs but this doesn't get addressed and the focus is on anyone who questions the actions of Israel.


Welcome to being black on Fark.
 
2013-01-09 12:20:12 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: ordinarysteve: The worst part about it is that there actually is a lot of real Jewish-hate out there on the internet and whatnot right now. Most of it seems to come from the ridiculous conspiracy theory crowd and stormfront jackoffs but this doesn't get addressed and the focus is on anyone who questions the actions of Israel.

Welcome to being black on Fark.


I empathize dude. Don't get me wrong, I'm an mildly offensive arsehole at times but there are a lot of angry, ignorant dicks on this site who put me to shame. I'm usually appalled by them but also impressed that they can actually read and work a computer though.
 
2013-01-09 12:24:57 PM  

Dr Dreidel: The list of problems I have with AIPAC goes far beyond using that particular rhetorical sleight-of-hand.


Choose an option

A) Self-hating Jew. Needs to rejoin the group.
B) Fringe. Disregard.
 
2013-01-09 12:38:27 PM  

make me some tea: tinderfitles: I have not seen the Al Jazeera TV channel, although I do remember watching a movie about them sometime after the Iraq Invasion and was rather impressed with the even handed nature that their anchors where presenting information. In one scene I remember in particular there was a telephone interview being done, and the person on the phone was something of a crackpot, so after the interview the anchor goes back to the newsroom and raises hell about why the loon was even being interviewed in the first place.

I have read some of their Op/Eds on the website and I have to admit that they were interesting insights into the region, specifically the political processes in Egypt.

Watch it anytime right here:  http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

It's my #1 go-to for international news channel at this point. Also, my area, NYC, is one of the few markets where Time Warner carries it, channel 92. I see no reason why it shouldn't be carried by all cable companies in this country, but for some reason too many people have the impression that they're pro-terrorism and pro-Islamic. All you have to do is watch it for awhile and you'll realize that perception is completely wrong.


That's just want the terrorists want us to believe!
 
2013-01-09 12:41:57 PM  
Well, this guy sounds like an asshole of the first caliber, but he also ran the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, apparently somewhat successfully. From his limited bio on Wiki, it looks like he's been railing against anti-Semitism, especially in higher education, for the last several years.

BTW, the Brandeis Center is apparently named after Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, who served waaaay back in the day alongside Oliver Wendell Holmes and wrote some of the better opinions regarding freedom of speech (although not always successfully). He also faced rabid anti-Semitism his entire career, from Harvard Law all the way up and was a leading light in the pro-Zionist movement during and after World War I.
 
2013-01-09 12:42:03 PM  

people: Dr Dreidel: The list of problems I have with AIPAC goes far beyond using that particular rhetorical sleight-of-hand.

Choose an option

A) Self-hating Jew. Needs to rejoin the group.
B) Fringe. Disregard.


Which am I? Depends who you ask.

My parents' Orthodox congregation (the ones who don't know me) could likely brand me as either one, even both. I think my views are "fringe" among American Jews as a whole (for a whole host of reasons), largely because they swallow AIPAC's line about supporting Israel being "good for the Jews" with no edge cases. AIPAC would probably not call me anti-Semitic if I spoke about Israel, because I'd likely be doing so in such a nuanced way (as you see in this thread) to very carefully spell out what the differences are and why they are solely political rather than politico-socio-religious.

Don't know how "in it" you are, but younger Jews (I'm only 31) are less likely to support AIPAC. Something about having access to multiple news sources in the region and not being as hardline as our parents are/were.

// I mean, not MY folks - they're fairly rational
// they don't support Israel 100% either, but more than I do
 
2013-01-09 12:42:06 PM  
But Jimmy Carter is anti-semitic. Here's Alan Dershowitz on the subject.:

Link

Sorry, the guy just doesn't like Jews, and it shows.
 
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