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(Iowa City Press-Citizen)   SWAT team found man sound asleep six hours after he crashed his SUV into sporting-goods store and fired shots. He had no idea how he got there; the last thing he remembered was an "unknown quantity" of Black Velvet whisky   (press-citizen.com) divider line 63
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2013-01-09 10:56:20 AM

brantgoose: Mind you, we were nicknamed "Animal House" after the movie.


Thanks for explaining that. We were perplexed by the reference.
 
2013-01-09 10:59:37 AM

justanotherfarkinfarker: I gotta second the WTF on 6 hours?


Okay, hypothetical: it's 3AM in the middle of winter and there's shots fired in a freakin' GUN STORE some psycho just rammed a car through. You have to get up outta bed, get in body armor, and charge blindly into a warehouse full of firearms and someone you know is willing to use them.

You gonna just run in there without scoping out the place first?
 
2013-01-09 11:02:35 AM
Exercising his 21st Amendment solution?

/"dumbass" tag more appropriate, sub
 
2013-01-09 11:03:15 AM
What black velvet might look like..
 
2013-01-09 11:04:49 AM

HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: HotWingConspiracy: Bet you the gun is legal.

From article

Moreno does not have a permit to carry the handgun he was found with,

And? No carry permit doesn't mean the gun is illegal.


It does mean that he was using it in an illegal fashion. So, while it may have been legal in some context, it was illegal how he was using it.
 
2013-01-09 11:06:27 AM
Black Velvet was the "premium" whisky of choice for unskilled and semi-skilled working class drunks when I was a kid. The type of working glass drunk who thinks black velvet is "classy", has Black Velvet paintings of deer, the last supper, praying Jesus, the Praying Hands, or Elvis in his or her trailer; and who smokes cigarettes sold in a "classy" box of gold and red, black, or silver. You know, people whose favourite colour is purple.

Generally Black Velvet drinkers are not the upper working class, are middle or lower working class at best, or most likely of all, Lumpenproletariat types who have a hard time holding down a menial job or a minimum-wage job at the mill or plant.

A few social steps above these are the guys who drink Canadian Club rye, and then the Chivas Regal drinkers. Above these you get Single Malt Scotch snobs (I don't object to a good blended Scotch whisky myself, but single malts are interesting and I like a smokey, peaty or fruity whiskey for a change).

In my native New Brunswick, the beers, ranked from bottom to top were 50 cents (teenagers and poor people), Oland's Moose Head (patriotic drunks), Labatts or Molsen and for college boys, Nova Scotia's Alexander Keith's Pale Ale, bootlegged from Nova Scotia (most Canadian provinces had or still have laws against importing booze from other provinces to protect their domestic markets and their government stores). American beers had some snob appeal as they were imported (Budweiser if somebody brought some back from Maine).

I didn't drink until 19 and I still don't care for beer or wine much, but you could tell the good from the bad by smell alone. In fact, the cigarettes, cigars and pipe tobacco would tell you who drank what even if they were secret drinkers.
 
2013-01-09 11:14:58 AM

justanotherfarkinfarker: I gotta second the WTF on 6 hours? Granted it was late, and it probably takes almost an hour to get the swat team together in a place that probably doesn't have those officers always on. Then you have to block off the whole area. So I could see maybe two. Well at least it ended ok. No one got hurt. And on the plus side for the other guy any other roommate you get will be better.


That was 6 hours until entry, not six hours until response. From the article, there did not seem to be any time sensitive driver forcing action. This is the same reason why SWAT can have a six hour standoff with an empty house. It is simply not smart, no necessary, to charge into an unknown situation where there is potential danger when there are other options.
 
2013-01-09 11:15:27 AM

HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: HotWingConspiracy: Bet you the gun is legal.

From article

Moreno does not have a permit to carry the handgun he was found with,

And? No carry permit doesn't mean the gun is illegal.


Actually it does. Do you have a selective reading comprehension deficit, or can you just not comprehend anything at all?
 
2013-01-09 11:19:44 AM
www.tias.com
So, I'm half in the bag and I'm buying something in the liquor store.  I see the display and notice in a subconscious way that it's as big as the Bartles and James display.  .  .  and then it moves.
I nearly soiled myself.
She was very nice and not at all like you might think, dammit.
 
2013-01-09 11:32:39 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Prank Monkey: HotWingConspiracy: kombat_unit: HotWingConspiracy: Bet you the gun is legal.

Tell us, did the gun get him drunk, wreck his suv and make him fire the gun?

No. It's almost like you're saying that today's responsible gun owner is tonight's drunken shooting rampage. We should do something about that.

We should make carrying a gun while drinking illegal. Oh wait, it already is. We should make drinking and driving illegal. Oh wait, it already is. We should ban alcohol, guns, and cars just in case somebody might do something stupid.

Listen, you support people like this owning weapons and I don't. It's very simple.


I don't think that's entirely correct. This guy will never legally own a firearm again. I don't know if there is something in his past that should have prevented him from owning one at the time. I do know that I am against making it overly prohibitive for law abiding people to own guns. (taxes, fees, etc.) We probably agree but draw the line in a different place
 
2013-01-09 11:53:24 AM

doglover: justanotherfarkinfarker: I gotta second the WTF on 6 hours?

Okay, hypothetical: it's 3AM in the middle of winter and there's shots fired in a freakin' GUN STORE some psycho just rammed a car through. You have to get up outta bed, get in body armor, and charge blindly into a warehouse full of firearms and someone you know is willing to use them.

You gonna just run in there without scoping out the place first?


Having been to Scheels many times in Coralville, it is neither a gun store or a warehouse full of fire arms.
 
2013-01-09 12:22:02 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Prank Monkey: HotWingConspiracy: kombat_unit: HotWingConspiracy: Bet you the gun is legal.

Tell us, did the gun get him drunk, wreck his suv and make him fire the gun?

No. It's almost like you're saying that today's responsible gun owner is tonight's drunken shooting rampage. We should do something about that.

We should make carrying a gun while drinking illegal. Oh wait, it already is. We should make drinking and driving illegal. Oh wait, it already is. We should ban alcohol, guns, and cars just in case somebody might do something stupid.

Listen, you support people like this owning weapons and I don't. It's very simple.


Can you define 'like this'? What predictive metric would you like to use to deny people consititutional rights?
 
2013-01-09 04:16:05 PM
You may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile;
You may find yourself in a beautiful sporting goods store, with a beautiful handgun.
You may ask yourself: "Well, how did I get here?"
You may ask yourself: "Am I right? Am I wrong?"
You may say to yourself: "Good God! What have I done?!"
 
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