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(Beatweek Magazine)   IPhone 5 battery life: best ever, or getting worse? Actually it's both   (beatweek.com) divider line 6
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2013-01-09 09:34:16 AM
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a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.
2013-01-10 01:49:01 PM
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Knobbs: I also see that every time someone agrees that there is a problem, fanboys just yell "defective phone, not an issue."


People get really, really defensive about technology. Telling someone that their choice of phone is bad is like walking into a high school parking lot and telling a 16 year old boy that his 1998 Honda Civic with a Type R sticker is a bad car.

But it is very strange that the single most common defense on blogs is always, "well, you must be doing it wrong." Linux still won't play back Flash content on your computer? You're doing it wrong. You hate the new charms bar on Windows 8? You're doing it wrong. Your car gets terrible traction in the snow? You're doing it wrong.

I honestly would like to know if "you're doing it wrong" is just some sort of American cultural thing, or if it somehow fills a more basic human need. For example, are Chinese tech blogs filled with people implying that anyone who has problems with their phone's battery life is somehow an inferior person?
2013-01-09 02:45:39 PM
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Kuroshin: The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."


The "removal mechanism" he's referring to is several separate things, and they all take up space.

1. The plastic casing around the battery.
2. The extra plastic housing to create a battery "compartment," usually including some combination of a second internal layer of plastic with a molded pocket and a removable backplate with screw holes and accompanying volume-eating threaded screw pillars in the phone.
3. The larger, more durable battery connector designed to be used more than one time
4. A latch mechanism or screw setup to attach the battery, again with accompanying threaded pillars in the phone itself.

And so on. When we're talking about a battery pack that is just a few mm thick to start with, all of the above add up to a substantial amount of battery volume that must be sacrificed to make the battery user-removable. Non-removable batteries aren't my favorite thing, either, but there is a legitimate performance tradeoff to be made there. In something with a lifespan as short as a phone, it's a valid option for an engineer to consider.
2013-01-09 10:51:58 AM
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Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.


Me neither. I usually charge mine once every other day, sometimes once every three days.

There is no better example of Louis CK's "Everything is amazing, and no one is happy" routine than threads like this.

Is it really that f*cking hard to plug your phone in when you go to bed at night?
2013-01-09 10:42:39 AM
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Kuroshin: whistleridge: a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

LOLWUT?

The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."  The battery in the S2 is teh hueg and lasts for three days between charges, while the battery in the Rezound is comparatively tiny due to all the silicon meat surrounding it, and therefore lasts only one single day before going flat.  Neither phone has any sort of bulky removal system, unless by "bulky removal system" you and the author mean "four copper contacts."

Talk about a bullshiat fanboy argument.  Hell, even my old Droid X had nothing more than a tiny plastic flap as  a "mechanism" in the back.

I had the first three generations of iPhone, and while I never had battery problems, they didn't last more than two days on a single charge (especially the 3GS).  There is absolutely no merit in what you said.



It's not so much the "mechanism" - it's the fact that you need to add a wall thickness around the battery to provide a pocket for it to sit in, and you need to provide a pogo pin interface and connect to the board, and you need to build spring fingers and snaps into the battery case so you can open it up rather than in a sealed phone where the battery would be mounted to the board directly. It does add volume, but not to the extent that the author is whingeing about.

BTW who the fark doesn't plug their phone in at night? Even when I toted around one of the old monochrome lumps I would plug it in every night, despite having days of standby time and only burning power when taking a call or playing all my ringtones. Get me through the day with juice to spare and I'll be happy.
2013-01-09 09:22:14 AM
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Perhaps if we didn't ask for something that fits in your hand to have enough power to qualify as a supercomputer... we wouldn't have this problem. My flip-phone that does nothing more than being an actual phone can go for 3-4 days before I need to charge it. My wife's iPhone... is pretty much plugged in non-stop.
 
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