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2013-01-09 08:11:54 AM
"smartphone battery life in general is considered adequate by just about no one."

Make that "considered adequate by one person". I think it's adequate. I have an HTC One X and it's clearly not the best in terms of battery life, but it gets through an average day on a single charge. So I can charge it at night. If I need to use it more than usual I have chargers everywhere to help, I also plan ahead by turning off things I won't need if I know I'm going to be away from a charger for a long time. When you consider what a smartphone is, and how much power is in them it's not surprising battery life is short. The best thing would be if all phones had removable batteries, so we could swap whenever the need arose. I don't know why more and more phones seem to be coming out with non-removable batteries. Seems counter-intuitive to me.
 
2013-01-09 08:51:25 AM
The bad news: the iPhone 5 offers no more batter than the iPhone 4S
Damn...I wanted a stack of flapjacks.
 
2013-01-09 09:21:50 AM
I have an iphone 5. I like my iphone 5. The battery life is atrocious.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:14 AM
Perhaps if we didn't ask for something that fits in your hand to have enough power to qualify as a supercomputer... we wouldn't have this problem. My flip-phone that does nothing more than being an actual phone can go for 3-4 days before I need to charge it. My wife's iPhone... is pretty much plugged in non-stop.
 
2013-01-09 09:22:53 AM

stpauler: The bad news: the iPhone 5 offers no more batter than the iPhone 4S
Damn...I wanted a stack of flapjacks.


I shot baby batter all over my iPhone screen once.
 
2013-01-09 09:29:54 AM
My phone's battery is awesome. Lasts a day and a half with regular use, and a full solid day with heavy use. Of course, it's not the original battery for me S2, but it's still Samsung. Not sure why they didn't include it as standard.
 
2013-01-09 09:33:44 AM
I have a hard time getting upset at my phone's battery life. It's a handheld computer that can talk to satellites and get data from most of the planet in seconds or less. It fits in my pocket, has a screen that responds to touch, and holds days and days worth of music. It can record sound/pictures/video, tune my guitar, and teach me Italian. It's fairly easy to charge, there's a plug and everything, and I can usually get away with two or three days of use.
 
2013-01-09 09:34:16 AM
a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.
 
2013-01-09 09:36:27 AM
Consensus

This is more the idea that battery tech hasn't really changed much since widespread lithium-ion use, and we are asking more of the phones pretty regularly.

(I want a sealed lead acid battery on mine, so it can weigh 25 lbs and if I let it die, it never comes back)

A little battery humor for the ex radioshack employees out there.
 
2013-01-09 09:38:21 AM
I suspect that the people who are happy with the battery life of their smartphone fall into one of two categories:

1) Understand the hardware and are impressed that the phone does what it does with the amount of power that it uses. They would love a better battery life but they understand the limitations.

2)Don't need a smartphone to begin with so they hardly ever use it as anything other than a regular phone and the battery does last a long time

I also suspect that the vast majority of them fall into category 2.
 
2013-01-09 09:38:41 AM
FTA:
So let's give Apple credit for waiting the extra year to move to LTE, until LTE was actually real, whereas its competitors all decided to lie and cheat about it.
 
2013-01-09 09:41:54 AM
Why don't we have wireless power yet?

Data's great... it really is... but why do I ever need a charge a mobile device? Why is there not a massive power blanket yet in the airwaves that can supply power to my device so my device needs the equipment of a watch battery to ride out blips?

GET THE HELL ON THAT.
 
2013-01-09 09:47:54 AM

Quantumbunny: Why don't we have wireless power yet?

Data's great... it really is... but why do I ever need a charge a mobile device? Why is there not a massive power blanket yet in the airwaves that can supply power to my device so my device needs the equipment of a watch battery to ride out blips?

GET THE HELL ON THAT.


That's entirely possible if you don't mind a phone that is 3 feet long, horribly inefficient, and heavy. Not to mention completely wasteful infrastructure sending out way more power than is received and causing interference across many frequencies which are already valuable 'real estate' and highly sought after.
 
2013-01-09 09:51:53 AM

Quantumbunny: Why don't we have wireless power yet?

Data's great... it really is... but why do I ever need a charge a mobile device? Why is there not a massive power blanket yet in the airwaves that can supply power to my device so my device needs the equipment of a watch battery to ride out blips?

GET THE HELL ON THAT.


They have prototypes that work. The biggest problem now is getting it to work over long range while not messing up other electronic devices. There is also a big problem with efficiency.

Also, wireless power would basically be free. Not sure how you would bill for that which would make many electric companies unhappy.
 
2013-01-09 09:51:56 AM
I have an ObamaPhone. Only need to charge it on the first of the month.
 
2013-01-09 09:53:38 AM

whistleridge: a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.


Meh.  I get a full day out of my phone and it has a removable battery (Motorola Atrix 2).  I went to watch a half marathon and was on my phone with the screen on for hours and hours waiting for it to start (it was poorly set up), and wound up needing my second battery.  For the $7 the extra battery cost, I am ok with it.  I like having a backup.
 
2013-01-09 09:57:15 AM

Quantumbunny: Why don't we have wireless power yet?

Data's great... it really is... but why do I ever need a charge a mobile device? Why is there not a massive power blanket yet in the airwaves that can supply power to my device so my device needs the equipment of a watch battery to ride out blips?

GET THE HELL ON THAT.


Just as soon as we create a cure for the massive brain tumors you're causing with your EMF shiat blasting everyone... sure thing.
 
2013-01-09 09:59:51 AM
Wait... "They do it better than every other LTE device... But I'm still not happy. Is Apple slipping?"

No, you're a twit.
 
2013-01-09 10:00:14 AM

whistleridge: a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.


LOLWUT?

The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."  The battery in the S2 is teh hueg and lasts for three days between charges, while the battery in the Rezound is comparatively tiny due to all the silicon meat surrounding it, and therefore lasts only one single day before going flat.  Neither phone has any sort of bulky removal system, unless by "bulky removal system" you and the author mean "four copper contacts."

Talk about a bullshiat fanboy argument.  Hell, even my old Droid X had nothing more than a tiny plastic flap as  a "mechanism" in the back.

I had the first three generations of iPhone, and while I never had battery problems, they didn't last more than two days on a single charge (especially the 3GS).  There is absolutely no merit in what you said.
 
2013-01-09 10:10:43 AM
wow, what is that guys apple shill handle here?

I never knew phones had a battery removal mechanism.  Or that other 4g phones come out of the box with 4g not enabled.

My skyrocket gives me two solid days using juice defender.  And it is an early 4g phone.

Nor does he mention that apple sent an update to the 4s to make it say 4g when it is not a 4g phone.

/manager at ATT hears apple lies all die longs, and complaints about the iphone 5s battery life.
 
2013-01-09 10:12:12 AM
well, my smartphone lasts about a day, unless i actually need. when traveling, i need to use it pretty heavily to check flight status (i usually fly on a discount, which means stand-by, which means I need to know the capacity of about every airplane leaving the airport in case i need to dance across the country to get to my intended destination). in those cases where my phone is really necessary, it inevitably dies in less than 12 hours.

/ i usually try to charge it with my computer on the flight. but, that kills my computer battery. what first world problems i have
// dead or alive, the phone is still coming with me. while it works, it is an extreme boon to my style of crapfest traveling. it usually only dies once i get to where i'm going, and then it's find a charger or use a payphone time. finding a payphone is a lot harder than finding a charger.
 
2013-01-09 10:21:00 AM
I'm currently rocking a Motorola Razr Maxx HD, and the battery life is awesome. It has a 3100 mAh battery, which makes it a little heavy, but I have literally gone two full days without plugging in, full radios on.
 
2013-01-09 10:22:01 AM

Kuroshin: whistleridge: a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

LOLWUT?

The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."  The battery in the S2 is teh hueg and lasts for three days between charges, while the battery in the Rezound is comparatively tiny due to all the silicon meat surrounding it, and therefore lasts only one single day before going flat.  Neither phone has any sort of bulky removal system, unless by "bulky removal system" you and the author mean "four copper contacts."

Talk about a bullshiat fanboy argument.  Hell, even my old Droid X had nothing more than a tiny plastic flap as  a "mechanism" in the back.

I had the first three generations of iPhone, and while I never had battery problems, they didn't last more than two days on a single charge (especially the 3GS).  There is absolutely no merit in what you said.


If it weren't for that plastic flap, your 1500 mAh battery could have been replaced with a 1502 mAh battery.
 
2013-01-09 10:31:37 AM

Kuroshin: whistleridge: a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

LOLWUT?

The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."  The battery in the S2 is teh hueg and lasts for three days between charges, while the battery in the Rezound is comparatively tiny due to all the silicon meat surrounding it, and therefore lasts only one single day before going flat.  Neither phone has any sort of bulky removal system, unless by "bulky removal system" you and the author mean "four copper contacts."

Talk about a bullshiat fanboy argument.  Hell, even my old Droid X had nothing more than a tiny plastic flap as  a "mechanism" in the back.

I had the first three generations of iPhone, and while I never had battery problems, they didn't last more than two days on a single charge (especially the 3GS).  There is absolutely no merit in what you said.


How I can tell you entirely missed my sarcasm...:p
 
2013-01-09 10:31:50 AM
Farkin' aye, your blog sucks.
 
2013-01-09 10:33:56 AM
I'd have no problems if the next iPhone was twice as heavy and twice as thick, if that meant it had twice the battery life.
 
2013-01-09 10:38:09 AM
"But Apple could have instead opted to keep the iPhone 5 the same thickness and weight as the 4S in order to accommodate a bigger battery. This is back of the napkin stuff, but I'd estimate that if the iPhone 5 were as thick and heavy as the 4S, it would have about two and a half times as much battery life. That would be enough to get all but the most hyperactive of users through the day. If the choice were yours, would you want the better battery, or would you rather keep your iPhone 5 light and slender? "

WTF is this shiat? My sister has an iPhone 5. I have a Samsung Galaxy Victory. If they aren't exactly the same size, you'd only notice the difference with a very exact ruler. My battery will last at least two days and hers will die overnight. My battery has a 2,100 mAh battery. Her is  1,400 mAh. Bonus, mine is removable.

It's not like we have drastically different surfing habits either. We both had first gen Evos that would die before we left work if not charged fully or charged at work. The data package, time on phone, and texting aren't dissimilar either.
 
2013-01-09 10:42:28 AM
I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?
 
2013-01-09 10:42:39 AM

Kuroshin: whistleridge: a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

LOLWUT?

The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."  The battery in the S2 is teh hueg and lasts for three days between charges, while the battery in the Rezound is comparatively tiny due to all the silicon meat surrounding it, and therefore lasts only one single day before going flat.  Neither phone has any sort of bulky removal system, unless by "bulky removal system" you and the author mean "four copper contacts."

Talk about a bullshiat fanboy argument.  Hell, even my old Droid X had nothing more than a tiny plastic flap as  a "mechanism" in the back.

I had the first three generations of iPhone, and while I never had battery problems, they didn't last more than two days on a single charge (especially the 3GS).  There is absolutely no merit in what you said.



It's not so much the "mechanism" - it's the fact that you need to add a wall thickness around the battery to provide a pocket for it to sit in, and you need to provide a pogo pin interface and connect to the board, and you need to build spring fingers and snaps into the battery case so you can open it up rather than in a sealed phone where the battery would be mounted to the board directly. It does add volume, but not to the extent that the author is whingeing about.

BTW who the fark doesn't plug their phone in at night? Even when I toted around one of the old monochrome lumps I would plug it in every night, despite having days of standby time and only burning power when taking a call or playing all my ringtones. Get me through the day with juice to spare and I'll be happy.
 
2013-01-09 10:44:08 AM

redmid17: "But Apple could have instead opted to keep the iPhone 5 the same thickness and weight as the 4S in order to accommodate a bigger battery. This is back of the napkin stuff, but I'd estimate that if the iPhone 5 were as thick and heavy as the 4S, it would have about two and a half times as much battery life. That would be enough to get all but the most hyperactive of users through the day. If the choice were yours, would you want the better battery, or would you rather keep your iPhone 5 light and slender? "

WTF is this shiat? My sister has an iPhone 5. I have a Samsung Galaxy Victory. If they aren't exactly the same size, you'd only notice the difference with a very exact ruler. My battery will last at least two days and hers will die overnight. My battery has a 2,100 mAh battery. Her is  1,400 mAh. Bonus, mine is removable.

It's not like we have drastically different surfing habits either. We both had first gen Evos that would die before we left work if not charged fully or charged at work. The data package, time on phone, and texting aren't dissimilar either.


The Samsung Galaxy Victory is 0.5" thick, where as the iPhone 5 is 0.29" thick. One is almost twice as thick as the other.

/I pray you do nothing in life that requires even government level precision.
 
2013-01-09 10:51:04 AM

Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?



Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.
 
2013-01-09 10:51:58 AM

Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.


Me neither. I usually charge mine once every other day, sometimes once every three days.

There is no better example of Louis CK's "Everything is amazing, and no one is happy" routine than threads like this.

Is it really that f*cking hard to plug your phone in when you go to bed at night?
 
2013-01-09 10:55:28 AM

Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.


This is her second phone. She's also an android developer and has another from work that she uses to test on. The battery on all of those things is downright horrible.
 
2013-01-09 10:55:43 AM
bw; sr

my phone never dies, so as far as I can tell, its battery life is close to infinite.
oh wait, when I go to bed, I plug it in next to my pillow and use the Sleep Cycle app.
Do you think that plugging it in causes the battery to never, ever die??
 
2013-01-09 10:57:55 AM

Knobbs: Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.

This is her second phone. She's also an android developer and has another from work that she uses to test on. The battery on all of those things is downright horrible.


It's not as horrible as you're making it sound. Either you're exaggerating or she really has a defective phone, I know 4 people with SGS3's and none has even complained about battery life, let alone encountered anything as dire as you describe.
 
2013-01-09 11:01:35 AM
Small form factor Big battery.

Pick ONE.

We've already maxed out the energy density levels of lithium batteries about as far as they can go in commercial products right now. It will be years before anything better is on the market.
 
2013-01-09 11:01:47 AM

Knobbs: Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.

This is her second phone. She's also an android developer and has another from work that she uses to test on. The battery on all of those things is downright horrible.


My anecdotal evidence of the S3 that MY wife uses says otherwise. I have an iPhone 4s and she gets somewhat better battery life than I do.
 
2013-01-09 11:03:01 AM

Egoy3k: I suspect that the people who are happy with the battery life of their smartphone fall into one of two categories:

1) Understand the hardware and are impressed that the phone does what it does with the amount of power that it uses. They would love a better battery life but they understand the limitations.

2)Don't need a smartphone to begin with so they hardly ever use it as anything other than a regular phone and the battery does last a long time

I also suspect that the vast majority of them fall into category 2.


#1 isn't a group of people who are "happy with the battery life" if they would love to have a better one. Just because you understand that battery tech sucks doesn't mean you're happy that it sucks.

The author in the article spent half the time with his mouth full of Apple wiener which is unfortunate, but he did make a good point about how phones keep getting lighter than thinner when they should stay the same size/weight with bigger batteries.

I bought a case for my Galaxy S2 specifically to make the phone heavier because it was easy to drop being so light. I would love to have a phone that weighs 2 or 3 times as much and lasts twice as long.
 
2013-01-09 11:05:00 AM

whistleridge: Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.


lolol.

You forget, with a removable battery, you can carry a spare with you, and swap it out when the first one dies.

When your integrated battery is dead, the phone has to be tied to an outlet for an hour or two before it can be used again.
 
2013-01-09 11:09:40 AM

Kuroshin: whistleridge: a word on removable batteries: they're ridiculous. Not only are they a parlor trick, they actually cost you battery life. Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone. So it's not only a ploy to sell you the phone base a fraudulent feature, it's also a ploy to sell you the other half of the battery life which should have been included in the first place. So no need to write in and criticize Apple for not allowing the iPhone 5 battery to be removed. The only potential for criticism here is whether Apple is failing to match up with consumer priorities when it makes its iPhones increasingly thinner and lighter rather than giving them increasing battery life.

Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

LOLWUT?

The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."  The battery in the S2 is teh hueg and lasts for three days between charges, while the battery in the Rezound is comparatively tiny due to all the silicon meat surrounding it, and therefore lasts only one single day before going flat.  Neither phone has any sort of bulky removal system, unless by "bulky removal system" you and the author mean "four copper contacts."

Talk about a bullshiat fanboy argument.  Hell, even my old Droid X had nothing more than a tiny plastic flap as  a "mechanism" in the back.

I had the first three generations of iPhone, and while I never had battery problems, they didn't last more than two days on a single charge (especially the 3GS).  There is absolutely no merit in what you said.


I furrowed my brow like a caveman at the op, trying to imagine what sort of convoluted "ejection system" was being bandied about. I finally decided the poster thinks batteries eject like old school VCR tapes.
 
2013-01-09 11:11:20 AM

digistil: redmid17: "But Apple could have instead opted to keep the iPhone 5 the same thickness and weight as the 4S in order to accommodate a bigger battery. This is back of the napkin stuff, but I'd estimate that if the iPhone 5 were as thick and heavy as the 4S, it would have about two and a half times as much battery life. That would be enough to get all but the most hyperactive of users through the day. If the choice were yours, would you want the better battery, or would you rather keep your iPhone 5 light and slender? "

WTF is this shiat? My sister has an iPhone 5. I have a Samsung Galaxy Victory. If they aren't exactly the same size, you'd only notice the difference with a very exact ruler. My battery will last at least two days and hers will die overnight. My battery has a 2,100 mAh battery. Her is  1,400 mAh. Bonus, mine is removable.

It's not like we have drastically different surfing habits either. We both had first gen Evos that would die before we left work if not charged fully or charged at work. The data package, time on phone, and texting aren't dissimilar either.

The Samsung Galaxy Victory is 0.5" thick, where as the iPhone 5 is 0.29" thick. One is almost twice as thick as the other.

/I pray you do nothing in life that requires even government level precision.


Congratulations. You pick either phone up and you're going to need a ruler to figure that out. Weight isn't too dissimilar either.
 
2013-01-09 11:12:36 AM

Fano: I furrowed my brow like a caveman at the op, trying to imagine what sort of convoluted "ejection system" was being bandied about. I finally decided the poster thinks batteries eject like old school VCR tapes.


I don't think you understand how much electricity springs and contacts consume.

Half the battery power of a phone with a removable battery goes to keeping the springs springy. It's a big problem.

ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-01-09 11:12:50 AM

Slaxl: When you consider what a smartphone is, and how much power is in them it's not surprising battery life is short. The best thing would be if all phones had removable batteries, so we could swap whenever the need arose. I don't know why more and more phones seem to be coming out with non-removable batteries. Seems counter-intuitive to me.


It would be neat if you could hot swap them without rebooting. Like, the phone has two but can run off of one, giving you time to swap them one at a time. If you could, I wouldn't mind having a couple extras around.
 
2013-01-09 11:18:36 AM

sigdiamond2000: Is it really that f*cking hard to plug your phone in when you go to bed at night?


We have near field charging now. You don't even HAVE to plug things in to charge them anymore.

Here's the most well known one.
 
2013-01-09 11:19:44 AM
If you're having trouble with iPhone 5 battery life and/or data usage, reset your settings and power cycle it. Especially, turn off iCloud Safari syncing, which is apparently a hog.
 
2013-01-09 11:23:18 AM

fluffy2097: sigdiamond2000: Is it really that f*cking hard to plug your phone in when you go to bed at night?

We have near field charging now. You don't even HAVE to plug things in to charge them anymore.

Here's the most well known one.


You do still have to let them lie still in one place, however.
 
2013-01-09 11:23:23 AM

fluffy2097: We've already maxed out the energy density levels of lithium batteries about as far as they can go in commercial products right now. It will be years before anything better is on the market.


Um. Are they working on higher density? I thought we were pretty close to the theoretical limits on battery chemistry.
Sure, there could be improvements on recharging memory and what not.

I guess I read something about nanotech coming to the rescue. (Changes in physics, rather than battery chemistry.)

up to 8x the energy with lithium -  http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/battery-tech-improving - demand-soars-120509

ok, that could be cool. I wonder how long before we start hearing the massive battery discharges may cause planes to explode and your pants to melt. We keep forgetting about this part. How much dense energy storage do you actually want in your pocket and have we already exceeded that limit??
 
2013-01-09 11:26:10 AM

namatad: I wonder how long before we start hearing the massive battery discharges may cause planes to explode and your pants to melt.


Um. probably 2007 or so, when china shipped some bad Li-ion cells to several computer makers.

www.2dayblog.com
 
2013-01-09 11:30:49 AM
Battery life will continue to improve as programmers get better at managing resources and core components of the OS are optimized for battery.

iOS has a delegate/listener pattern for things like "is the Internet on" and "did my data change" that helps keep polling out of developers' hands. The more developers that use the right patterns, the more the battery will last, as OS manufacturers optimize the components that do the polling under the hood.
 
2013-01-09 11:45:23 AM

Slaxl: Knobbs: Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.

This is her second phone. She's also an android developer and has another from work that she uses to test on. The battery on all of those things is downright horrible.

It's not as horrible as you're making it sound. Either you're exaggerating or she really has a defective phone, I know 4 people with SGS3's and none has even complained about battery life, let alone encountered anything as dire as you describe.


It really is that bad. Maybe it has to do with how she uses it that has destroyed the battery, but it's really, really bad.

It's also just my experience, I realize, but we've purchased 7 iPhones and never had an issue. Now 1 Samsung Galaxy S3 (2 if you count the one that died a week after she got it) and she is constantly aggravated by the battery.
 
2013-01-09 11:47:32 AM

fluffy2097: namatad: I wonder how long before we start hearing the massive battery discharges may cause planes to explode and your pants to melt.

Um. probably 2007 or so, when china shipped some bad Li-ion cells to several computer makers.

[www.2dayblog.com image 440x341]


My iPod Nano was also part of that recall, due to a tendency of fiery/explodey-ness.
 
2013-01-09 12:03:39 PM

Slaxl: "smartphone battery life in general is considered adequate by just about no one."

Make that "considered adequate by one person". I think it's adequate. I have an HTC One X and it's clearly not the best in terms of battery life, but it gets through an average day on a single charge. So I can charge it at night. If I need to use it more than usual I have chargers everywhere to help, I also plan ahead by turning off things I won't need if I know I'm going to be away from a charger for a long time. When you consider what a smartphone is, and how much power is in them it's not surprising battery life is short. The best thing would be if all phones had removable batteries, so we could swap whenever the need arose. I don't know why more and more phones seem to be coming out with non-removable batteries. Seems counter-intuitive to me.

i.qkme.me
 
2013-01-09 12:17:18 PM

Knobbs: It really is that bad. Maybe it has to do with how she uses it that has destroyed the battery, but it's really, really bad.

It's also just my experience, I realize, but we've purchased 7 iPhones and never had an issue. Now 1 Samsung Galaxy S3 (2 if you count the one that died a week after she got it) and she is constantly aggravated by the battery.


I have an S3, my S/O has an S3, and I know 3 other people with S3s just in my department, and every single one of them can go multiple days without charge with fairly heavy use. Has she replaced the charger? Also, you say she's a developer. Is she deploying code to it, and if so, is it bad code? If she's writing a stuck loop or something that keeps the CPU awake it'd kill any phone.
 
2013-01-09 12:23:55 PM
Meh, My iPhone 4s battery is better than any other phone I've had. If you treat it right (ie don't leave it charging overnight) it's quality. Last screenshot I have is at 2% remaining, with 6 hours 30 minutes of usage and 2 days 15 hours of standby.

Can't ask for much more with the current technology.
 
2013-01-09 12:24:56 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery#Personal_electro n ics

not to rain on the parade, but apple is already using these batteries.
while we can expect some improvement near term with improvements in manufacture and as the tech matures, we wont see gigantic gains ...

blargh
 
2013-01-09 12:24:56 PM

Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes.


Well this is pretty clearly a case of your wife's shiat being farked up. You may have heard they have sold a few million of those things and while I think you already know this I'll tell you anyway - a unit that is functioning properly will quite easily charge overnight.
 
2013-01-09 12:26:34 PM

fluffy2097: whistleridge: Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

lolol.

You forget, with a removable battery, you can carry a spare with you, and swap it out when the first one dies.

When your integrated battery is dead, the phone has to be tied to an outlet for an hour or two before it can be used again.


Not necessarily. The portable auxiliary charging batteries are a decent answer to this. You don't end up with a phone that's overly large and bulky when you don't need it, but you can pack along some extra juice when you know you'll be running around a lot.

I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.

As a bonus, you don't have to shut it all the way down to swap the battery. I can't say I ever carried a charged and ready spare battery when I had an Android or Blackberry device, so these things are pretty much a decent alternative.
 
2013-01-09 12:28:09 PM

fluffy2097: whistleridge: Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

lolol.

You forget, with a removable battery, you can carry a spare with you, and swap it out when the first one dies.

When your integrated battery is dead, the phone has to be tied to an outlet for an hour or two before it can be used again.


The points are that by making it removable, the extra shell and attachment mechanisms reduce the volume that can be devoted to the actual battery, thus there is a reduction in battery capacity.

There are aftermarket battery/charger devices for those who need/want them, so the point likewise remains moot.
 
2013-01-09 12:35:07 PM

akula: I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.


can I get a link to your little gizmo?
(that doesnt sound right)
I would rather not start at zero when searching and if you hated your gizmo, you would have said so.
HELLO STUMBLING on HAPPINESS
 
2013-01-09 12:40:16 PM

namatad: akula: I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.

can I get a link to your little gizmo?
(that doesnt sound right)
I would rather not start at zero when searching and if you hated your gizmo, you would have said so.
HELLO STUMBLING on HAPPINESS


I forgot the name of it but I did manage to find it. It's a Mophie Juice Pack Reserve. You can get the thing for a bit over $30 at Best Buy... charges from a USB port and has a 30 pin plug on it. They make them for other devices too. The thing is the size of a larger keychain (even has a keychain loop on it) and very light. It's a neat way to give you just a little bit more boost to get through the day until you can get to a charger. There's larger ones out there (even from different brands) for other devices or more juice, but they're hardly pocket friendly.
 
2013-01-09 12:45:40 PM

Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.


Not necessarily defective. With use, ion lithium battery go bad. This happens quicker is the phone gets hot (like using it when charging). The first thing I would do is remove the battery and look if it is swollen in the middle. That means it needs to be replaced. iPhones suffer greatly because you can't do this.
 
2013-01-09 12:45:51 PM

akula: namatad: akula: I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.

can I get a link to your little gizmo?
(that doesnt sound right)
I would rather not start at zero when searching and if you hated your gizmo, you would have said so.
HELLO STUMBLING on HAPPINESS

I forgot the name of it but I did manage to find it. It's a Mophie Juice Pack Reserve. You can get the thing for a bit over $30 at Best Buy... charges from a USB port and has a 30 pin plug on it. They make them for other devices too. The thing is the size of a larger keychain (even has a keychain loop on it) and very light. It's a neat way to give you just a little bit more boost to get through the day until you can get to a charger. There's larger ones out there (even from different brands) for other devices or more juice, but they're hardly pocket friendly.


crap that is nice
simple, keychain, battery with connector, little or nothing to lose
me likey
me think that this might make an AWESOME gift for those people who travel, forget their charger, would just clip to their keychain ....

thanks!
 
2013-01-09 12:53:45 PM

namatad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery#Personal_electro n ics

not to rain on the parade, but apple is already using these batteries.
while we can expect some improvement near term with improvements in manufacture and as the tech matures, we wont see gigantic gains ...

blargh


Those are lithium polymer batteries. The article you linked before was talking about silicon anode based lithium ion batteries. Ones employing silicon have not been made stable/durable yet, and are a ways away from being commercially available (if ever).

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/02/new-silicon-batteries-outperform -t ypical-li-ion-chemistries/
 
2013-01-09 01:05:54 PM

Mumbler: I have an ObamaPhone. Only need to charge it on the first of the month.


Excellent! 10/10
 
2013-01-09 01:12:25 PM

Egoy3k: Knobbs: Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.

This is her second phone. She's also an android developer and has another from work that she uses to test on. The battery on all of those things is downright horrible.

My anecdotal evidence of the S3 that MY wife uses says otherwise. I have an iPhone 4s and she gets somewhat better battery life than I do.


My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.
 
2013-01-09 01:27:33 PM

Bullseyed: Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.

Not necessarily defective. With use, ion lithium battery go bad. This happens quicker is the phone gets hot (like using it when charging). The first thing I would do is remove the battery and look if it is swollen in the middle. That means it needs to be replaced. iPhones suffer greatly because you can't do this.


That's probably more the case. I assure you, her code is not the problem, and she no longer even runs it on her personal phone.

I'm not being a fanboy here. There are plenty of things like more about the S3 than the iPhone 5. Battery, build quality, and reliability are not among those things.
 
2013-01-09 01:32:57 PM
all other "4G LTE" phones are still using first generation chipsets which would kill the battery in well under an hour... if they were actually using 4G LTE (these phones come with 4G LTE turned off by default deep in the settings; the "LTE" in the menu bar is technically just an advertisement of the capability, and surprise, you've been using 3G all this time). So let's give Apple credit for waiting the extra year to move to LTE, until LTE was actually real, whereas its competitors all decided to lie and cheat about it.

What is he talking about? My Thunderbolt came with LTE proudly enabled nearly 2 years ago.

Between this, the enormous 'battery ejection mechanism', and the magical 10x battery boost we're about to see, I think this author has been drinking too much apple cider.
 
2013-01-09 01:37:00 PM

Bisu: Those are lithium polymer batteries. The article you linked before was talking about silicon anode based lithium ion batteries. Ones employing silicon have not been made stable/durable yet, and are a ways away from being commercially available (if ever).

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/02/new-silicon-batteries-outperform -t ypical-li-ion-chemistries/


yes, no, sort of
It looked like the LiPo have started using some of that silicon nanowire tech in RC batteries. So while maybe not in your phone, they certainly are in RC cars and planes ...
 
2013-01-09 01:48:10 PM

Knobbs:
That's probably more the case. I assure you, her code is not the problem, and she no longer even runs it on her personal phone.

I'm not being a fanboy here. There are plenty of things like more about the S3 than the iPhone 5. Battery, build quality, and reliability are not among those things.


You said it's her second phone, there's no way she destroyed 2 batteries to the point of swelling on 2 phones in 5-6 months. One phone I might buy, 2 phones I don't buy.
 
2013-01-09 01:53:33 PM
Man, just make the phone 2mm thicker, rearrange the internals so that all the new space can be dedicated to a battery (that'd be a huge jump in battery size) and I bet it'd sell like crazy. Seriously, I doubt people would turn their nose up at a phone with 3 days of battery life because it weighs an ounce more.
 
2013-01-09 01:56:32 PM

THX 1138: Man, just make the phone 2mm thicker, rearrange the internals so that all the new space can be dedicated to a battery (that'd be a huge jump in battery size) and I bet it'd sell like crazy. Seriously, I doubt people would turn their nose up at a phone with 3 days of battery life because it weighs an ounce more.


ummmm what would the weight difference be?
would it be tugging my pants off while I walked ??
 
2013-01-09 02:00:22 PM

TNel: Knobbs:
That's probably more the case. I assure you, her code is not the problem, and she no longer even runs it on her personal phone.

I'm not being a fanboy here. There are plenty of things like more about the S3 than the iPhone 5. Battery, build quality, and reliability are not among those things.

You said it's her second phone, there's no way she destroyed 2 batteries to the point of swelling on 2 phones in 5-6 months. One phone I might buy, 2 phones I don't buy.


I don't either. The first phone died a week after owning it, but it always had battery issues. Second phone (and work phone) also have battery issues, but I'm trying to be diplomatic since pointing out a flaw in someone's phone is tantamount to a declaration of war these days.
 
2013-01-09 02:01:36 PM

TNel: My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.


Sometimes I've found that switching to a more substantial cable or a different USB port can be the difference between a tiny trickle of power and charging at better than 1% per minute.
 
2013-01-09 02:07:08 PM

THX 1138: TNel: My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.

Sometimes I've found that switching to a more substantial cable or a different USB port can be the difference between a tiny trickle of power and charging at better than 1% per minute.


If I plug my phone into my computer at work it takes all day and it is still not charged due to the trickle charge. Also is that person with bad battery live in an area with horrible reception? Where I work I barely get reception, I'm lucky to get 1 bar for 10 min a day and since it's so bad my phone is constantly trying to get a mobile signal draining my battery.

I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:01 PM

TNel: I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.


wait what?
you can do this?
um how hard?
um could you write this up, cause this would be epic-uber-ultra cool
 
2013-01-09 02:21:27 PM

namatad: TNel: I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.

wait what?
you can do this?
um how hard?
um could you write this up, cause this would be epic-uber-ultra cool


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84X8cV4IW-g
 
2013-01-09 02:22:27 PM
namatad:

crap that is nice
simple, keychain, battery with connector, little or nothing to lose
me likey
me think that this might make an AWESOME gift for those people who travel, forget their charger, would just clip to their keychain ....

thanks!


No problemo. It's a nifty little thing and probably the most portable of that kind of thing I've yet to see (that isn't attached to the phone like a case with built in battery would be, anyway).
 
2013-01-09 02:38:39 PM

TNel: I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.


That (with the video you posted a few minutes later) is pure awesome. Glad I came back into this thread to see it.
 
2013-01-09 02:39:10 PM
I have an iPhone 5, and the battery life is adequate for me. It lasts all day, and I charge it at night.

I have had other phones where the battery would last for several days, and that actually left me more likely to wind up with a dead phone, because I got out of the habit of plugging it in to charge it.
 
2013-01-09 02:45:39 PM

Kuroshin: The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."


The "removal mechanism" he's referring to is several separate things, and they all take up space.

1. The plastic casing around the battery.
2. The extra plastic housing to create a battery "compartment," usually including some combination of a second internal layer of plastic with a molded pocket and a removable backplate with screw holes and accompanying volume-eating threaded screw pillars in the phone.
3. The larger, more durable battery connector designed to be used more than one time
4. A latch mechanism or screw setup to attach the battery, again with accompanying threaded pillars in the phone itself.

And so on. When we're talking about a battery pack that is just a few mm thick to start with, all of the above add up to a substantial amount of battery volume that must be sacrificed to make the battery user-removable. Non-removable batteries aren't my favorite thing, either, but there is a legitimate performance tradeoff to be made there. In something with a lifespan as short as a phone, it's a valid option for an engineer to consider.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:23 PM

Cybernetic: I have an iPhone 5, and the battery life is adequate for me. It lasts all day, and I charge it at night.

I have had other phones where the battery would last for several days, and that actually left me more likely to wind up with a dead phone, because I got out of the habit of plugging it in to charge it.


My S3 is like that, it will last more than a day and I don't like to charge it when it's at 30% (under that thought that it's better to let the battery go down to empty and then charge than to leave it plugged in all the time) and sometimes it bites me in the butt when I forget to charge it at work and I have a dead phone.
 
2013-01-09 02:52:15 PM
Maybe it is just because I repair iPhones (as well as all the other mobile apple products) at my shop but seriously, it isn't much more difficult to swap out your iPhone battery than one in most other phones.

That said, you do need a T1 torx driver to remove the back plate screws located on either side of the docking port. Once removed, the back plate slides towards the top of the phone and can be pulled off.

An iPhone 4 has 1 Phillips head screw holding the battery connector to the main board. The iPhone 4S uses two Phillips head screws.

On the iPhone 5, removing the screws near the docking port allow you to remove the glass/digitizer instead of the back plate. The battery simply clips onto the main board but a small metal cover holds down the connection. Three Phillips screws must be removed to allow removal of the cover.


Personally I have both and HTC EVO and one iPhone 4. I have three extra batteries for my personal phone, the EVO, one being an extended battery. That gives me 3 days of regular use on a full charge with the other regular batteries giving me one day...if that.

My iPhone lasts about 1 day on a charge but I have 3 fully charged iphone batteries with me in my laptop bag is if I need the phone and I can't wait for a charge I just swap the batteries.

Side note is those portable batteries you can charge up then plug into your phone via the phone's USB to data/docking port are nice to have if you don't have an extra battery or charging adaptor with you
 
2013-01-09 03:07:03 PM

Bschott007: Maybe it is just because I repair iPhones (as well as all the other mobile apple products) at my shop but seriously, it isn't much more difficult to swap out your iPhone battery than one in most other phones.

That said, you do need a T1 torx driver to remove the back plate screws located on either side of the docking port. Once removed, the back plate slides towards the top of the phone and can be pulled off.

An iPhone 4 has 1 Phillips head screw holding the battery connector to the main board. The iPhone 4S uses two Phillips head screws.

On the iPhone 5, removing the screws near the docking port allow you to remove the glass/digitizer instead of the back plate. The battery simply clips onto the main board but a small metal cover holds down the connection. Three Phillips screws must be removed to allow removal of the cover.


Personally I have both and HTC EVO and one iPhone 4. I have three extra batteries for my personal phone, the EVO, one being an extended battery. That gives me 3 days of regular use on a full charge with the other regular batteries giving me one day...if that.

My iPhone lasts about 1 day on a charge but I have 3 fully charged iphone batteries with me in my laptop bag is if I need the phone and I can't wait for a charge I just swap the batteries.

Side note is those portable batteries you can charge up then plug into your phone via the phone's USB to data/docking port are nice to have if you don't have an extra battery or charging adaptor with you


Compared to using a finger nail to pry off the plastic backing, tap the phone to dislodge the battery, put a new battery in and put the backing back on? I mean I can do all of that quicker than you finding your Torx bit. To each their own but I like not having to carry screwdrivers around with me. Thats why at my work I make sure all computers use thumbscrews for all side panels and for the hard drive caddies.
 
2013-01-09 03:41:03 PM

TNel: THX 1138: TNel: My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.

Sometimes I've found that switching to a more substantial cable or a different USB port can be the difference between a tiny trickle of power and charging at better than 1% per minute.

If I plug my phone into my computer at work it takes all day and it is still not charged due to the trickle charge. Also is that person with bad battery live in an area with horrible reception? Where I work I barely get reception, I'm lucky to get 1 bar for 10 min a day and since it's so bad my phone is constantly trying to get a mobile signal draining my battery.

I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.


Really?  just pay 4.99 for juice defender on the android market and it will let you automate this based on your phones gps location.
1. When I leave my house wifi turns off and cel data turns on.
2. When I enter my office, cell data turns off, and if I wanted the phone radios could as well.
3. Leave office, cel data turns back on, when i enter house cell data turns off and wifi clicks on.

You8
 
2013-01-09 03:57:08 PM

theflatline:

Really?  just pay 4.99 for juice defender on the android market and it will let you automate this based on your phones gps location.
1. When I leave my house wifi turns off and cel data turns on.
2. When I enter my office, cell data turns off, and if I wanted the phone radios could as well.
3. Leave office, cel data turns back on, when i enter house cell data turns off and wifi clicks on.

You8


I'm not sure how grainular juice defender is but with the nfc tags you can do more than just turn radios off you can launch apps change screen brightness and a whole host of other things. I take it you can't turn the GPS radio off though?
 
2013-01-09 04:12:40 PM

TNel: theflatline:

Really?  just pay 4.99 for juice defender on the android market and it will let you automate this based on your phones gps location.
1. When I leave my house wifi turns off and cel data turns on.
2. When I enter my office, cell data turns off, and if I wanted the phone radios could as well.
3. Leave office, cel data turns back on, when i enter house cell data turns off and wifi clicks on.

You8

I'm not sure how grainular juice defender is but with the nfc tags you can do more than just turn radios off you can launch apps change screen brightness and a whole host of other things. I take it you can't turn the GPS radio off though?


You can launch apps, change screen, brightness, schedule every app on the device,   It is pretty granular, I dug a bit and couldnt find the GPS turn off, to see it is there, it might not be, but it might.  I know it will turn off gps when the screen goes dark because it figures you are not using it then and then fires it up when you launch something on the phone.

here is a list from their site.

5 preset profiles (from default mode to full customization)easy and intuitive user interface (ads free!)2 home screen widgetsmobile data toggle automation2G/3G toggle automation**WiFi toggle automation + auto-disabling optionlocation-aware WiFi control (e.g. enable WiFi only at home/work, disable it otherwise)battery consumption optimization (e.g. when screen off, battery under threshold, etc.)comprehensive connectivity scheduling (regular schedule, night time/peak time, week days/weekends)connectivity control for specific apps (e.g. when Pandora is running, leave connectivity on no matter what)CPU scaling when phone is idle**full activity log More details here http://www.juicedefender.com/reference/
 
2013-01-09 04:18:55 PM
I've heard the iPhone5 should actually be plugged in as often as possible because the battery only has a certain few number of cycles. Any truth to this or is it a use to death and recharge fully situation?
 
2013-01-09 04:53:11 PM

TNel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84X8cV4IW-g


THX 1138: That (with the video you posted a few minutes later) is pure awesome. Glad I came back into this thread to see it.


TNel
This was super awesome and you saved me time looking for the right, pain free how to.
In consideration for you time and help, I have punished you with the gift of totalfark. Sorry about that.
 
2013-01-09 06:25:17 PM

Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.


Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.
 
2013-01-09 06:37:24 PM

The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.


Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.
 
2013-01-09 07:39:17 PM

The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.


You had a defective phone, battery, or some software that wasn't set up correctly. My wife and both have Thunderbolts, and they easily last 12 - 18 hours with moderate 4G usage.
 
2013-01-09 10:09:57 PM

The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.


Sadly, this is 100% true. I even have another case to add to my list. After all of this discussion, I saw a guy at work with a Galaxy 3. I asked him what he thought of the battery life. He said it was horrible. He said it was plugged in all day at work (this was around 4:00) and he had been streaming music while it was plugged in. He showed me his phone and it had 53% charge left. He was going to get a second battery like my wife because on the weekend, just sitting in his pocket, he can't go the full day without having to charge it. The phone is only a month old.
 
2013-01-09 10:15:59 PM

theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.


1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went over our 10GB that we pay for, it was my wife's Android that caused the problem.
4. I have only had 1 interaction with the Genius bar and they were great. My wife dropped her phone and they exchanged it without much issue. The whole thing took 10 minutes.

I believe you that Apple's customer service is bad, and I'm thankful I've never had to deal with them. Most big companies are. I wonder how Samsung's compares. Any experience there?
 
2013-01-09 10:17:14 PM

RTFA: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

You had a defective phone, battery, or some software that wasn't set up correctly. My wife and both have Thunderbolts, and they easily last 12 - 18 hours with moderate 4G usage.


Seem to be lots of defective phones and batteries going around.
 
2013-01-09 11:12:13 PM

Knobbs: theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.

1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went ov ...


1. I had said Iphone 4, not 4s.  I work for ATT, was a huge deal, still is.
2. Yes it is ass.
3. Happened at Verizon and my job, tons of man hours wasted on it.
 
2013-01-09 11:34:24 PM

theflatline: As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.


It sounds like you're lucky enough to have never had to deal with AT&T, Sprint, or Verizon. Apple isn't a great company, but they are heads and shoulders above those terrible, terrible companies.
 
2013-01-09 11:43:09 PM

theflatline: Knobbs: theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.

1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went ov ...

1. I had said Iphone 4, not 4s.  I work for ATT, was a huge deal, still is.
2. Yes it is ass.
3. Happened at Verizon and my job, tons of man hours wasted on it.


4s = more than 1 4. I had the 4 and was able to duplicate the issue if I tried, but in practice, the 4 was better reception wise than the 3G.
 
2013-01-09 11:46:23 PM

theflatline: Knobbs: theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.

1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went ov ...

1. I had said Iphone 4, not 4s.  I work for ATT, was a huge deal, still is.
2. Yes it is ass.
3. Happened at Verizon and my job, tons of man hours wasted on it.


You work for AT&T? I left them for Verizon because of a blend of bad coverage, bad customer service, and farking me over on my supposedly unlimited plan I had carried for years.

Verizon's customer service isn't much better, but I've got much better coverage and I know that halfway through the month I'm going to be able to do more than check email.
 
2013-01-10 01:06:39 AM
"Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone."

I like to know which Samsung this writer is talking about. Sounds like a pull-shiat-out-of-ass writer to me.
 
2013-01-10 01:37:57 AM

digistil: The Samsung Galaxy Victory is 0.5" thick, where as the iPhone 5 is 0.29" thick. One is almost twice as thick as the other.


It could be argued -- effectively -- that anything under 0.5" is "thin enough" in smartphones, and all the engineering Apple put into shaving another 0.08" off the device depth was wasted effort because it's not influencing anybody's purchasing decision.
 
2013-01-10 09:11:55 AM

Knobbs: Seem to be lots of defective phones and batteries going around.


No, you're just suffering from confirmation bias. Perhaps read this other article linked from fark: http://io9.com/5974468/the-most-common-cognitive-biases-that-prevent-y ou-from-being-rational
 
2013-01-10 09:39:55 AM

Bisu: Knobbs: Seem to be lots of defective phones and batteries going around.

No, you're just suffering from confirmation bias. Perhaps read this other article linked from fark: http://io9.com/5974468/the-most-common-cognitive-biases-that-prevent-y ou-from-being-rational


I'm well aware if what confirmation bias is. I also know that LITERALLY every S3 I have come into contact with has this issue. I also see that every time someone agrees that there is a problem, fanboys just yell "defective phone, not an issue." I've also read plenty of articles about battery drain problems on the S3. Perhaps you should read about "post purchase rationalization."
 
2013-01-10 09:46:43 AM
What do you mean i cant play my graphically intense game all day long on a single charge while listneing to music on pandora. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

Seriously.. the battery life is good. Anyone remember the nomad jukebox or gamegear? Those biatches could hoover a battery down in less time than it takes to listen to a damn cd.

GET OFF THE PHONE and the battery lasts a shockingly long time.


Also its not THAT hard to take an iphone apart you need one special screwdriver (depending on phone) and a tiny phillips and you can remove the battery pretty easily if you need to replace it yourself.
 
2013-01-10 09:47:57 AM
fark why you no edit button.

additionally my phone will regularly make it through a 6-8hr work day with enough juice left once I leave to last into the evening.
 
2013-01-10 09:56:45 AM

namatad: TNel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84X8cV4IW-g

THX 1138: That (with the video you posted a few minutes later) is pure awesome. Glad I came back into this thread to see it.

TNel
This was super awesome and you saved me time looking for the right, pain free how to.
In consideration for you time and help, I have punished you with the gift of totalfark. Sorry about that.


LOL thanks a lot! I have been saying I'm going to get those tags for a month now I just need to stop messing around and get them.
 
2013-01-10 10:00:57 AM

Skraeling: What do you mean i cant play my graphically intense game all day long on a single charge while listneing to music on pandora. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

Seriously.. the battery life is good. Anyone remember the nomad jukebox or gamegear? Those biatches could hoover a battery down in less time than it takes to listen to a damn cd.

GET OFF THE PHONE and the battery lasts a shockingly long time.


Also its not THAT hard to take an iphone apart you need one special screwdriver (depending on phone) and a tiny phillips and you can remove the battery pretty easily if you need to replace it yourself.


Yep. It's a torx 1 (T1) driver to remove the iPhone screws near the data port. They are short so they come out quick. Personally I just removed the Philips head screw holding down the battery on my iPhone 4 and tossed it in the back of a tiny tool kit I keep in my laptop case.

I do agree it is faster to just rip off the back cover on my EVO and swap the batteries than it is to remove the screws on my iPhone and replace its battery...but it is at most a ten second difference. Six if I rush.

For non-techies or casual geeks, then yes, the android is the way to go for quick battery swaps. For real tech heads, it should make no real difference battery-wise
 
2013-01-10 01:49:01 PM

Knobbs: I also see that every time someone agrees that there is a problem, fanboys just yell "defective phone, not an issue."


People get really, really defensive about technology. Telling someone that their choice of phone is bad is like walking into a high school parking lot and telling a 16 year old boy that his 1998 Honda Civic with a Type R sticker is a bad car.

But it is very strange that the single most common defense on blogs is always, "well, you must be doing it wrong." Linux still won't play back Flash content on your computer? You're doing it wrong. You hate the new charms bar on Windows 8? You're doing it wrong. Your car gets terrible traction in the snow? You're doing it wrong.

I honestly would like to know if "you're doing it wrong" is just some sort of American cultural thing, or if it somehow fills a more basic human need. For example, are Chinese tech blogs filled with people implying that anyone who has problems with their phone's battery life is somehow an inferior person?
 
2013-01-10 02:17:08 PM

Knobbs:

I'm well aware if what confirmation bias is. I also know that LITERALLY every S3 I have come into contact with has this issue. I also see that every time someone agrees that there is a problem, fanboys just yell "defective phone, not an issue." I've also read plenty of articles about battery drain problems on the S3. Perhaps you should read about "post purchase rationalization."


You can come see my phone, I have had it for 3 months now and it lasts more than a day and I use it pretty heavy. I did notice last night when I was playing Words With Friends my battery drained like no other. I would assume most peoples problem are crappy apps.

The problem is you see 10 people that have issues when there are 50 million of those phones sold (30 million as of November so I would assume they got the other 20 over the last 2 months). If there was such an issue don't you think it would be all over the news like the battery issues that happen with the iPhone the other year.

It's not fanboi'ism it's just nobody will believe you when you say 2 of your brandnew flagship phones have had bad batteries that couldn't even charge overnight. You have to have something wrong, I'm betting on a bad charger.
 
2013-01-10 02:32:10 PM

TNel: The problem is you see 10 people that have issues when there are 50 million of those phones sold (30 million as of November so I would assume they got the other 20 over the last 2 months). If there was such an issue don't you think it would be all over the news like the battery issues that happen with the iPhone the other year.


I don't know where you get your sales figures, but Samsung just officially announced at CES three days ago that they have sold 30 million Galaxy S3 phones world world wide.

Also, battery problems are the number one complaint for every smart phone ever made. You just hear more about iPhone battery problems because the iPhone has been the number one selling smartphone for five years.
 
2013-01-10 03:12:14 PM

The Larch: TNel: The problem is you see 10 people that have issues when there are 50 million of those phones sold (30 million as of November so I would assume they got the other 20 over the last 2 months). If there was such an issue don't you think it would be all over the news like the battery issues that happen with the iPhone the other year.

I don't know where you get your sales figures, but Samsung just officially announced at CES three days ago that they have sold 30 million Galaxy S3 phones world world wide.

Also, battery problems are the number one complaint for every smart phone ever made. You just hear more about iPhone battery problems because the iPhone has been the number one selling smartphone for five years.


Check the wiki for the S3, early November of last year they sold 30 Million phones so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think they could get to 50 million by now with the holidays in there. Apple had to make a patch for the 4s because of it. Most people's battery issues are the users themselves. But to say you can't use the S3 while it's on the charger since it will keep dropping instead of going up means you are getting a trickle charge from the charger and the charger is bad.
 
2013-01-10 05:36:14 PM

TNel: Check the wiki for the S3, early November of last year they sold 30 Million phones so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think they could get to 50 million by now with the holidays in there.


Three days ago Michael Abary, a Senior Vice President of Samsung America, said: "The Galaxy S3 is the world's bestselling smartphone with 30 million sold to date."

Either a Senior Vice President of Samsung is wrong about the sales figures, or some wiki page is wrong about the sales figures. You are free to believe anything you want to believe, for any reason you want to believe it, but the rest of us are free to be aware of your delusions.
 
2013-01-10 05:54:13 PM

The Larch: TNel: Check the wiki for the S3, early November of last year they sold 30 Million phones so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think they could get to 50 million by now with the holidays in there.

Three days ago Michael Abary, a Senior Vice President of Samsung America, said: "The Galaxy S3 is the world's bestselling smartphone with 30 million sold to date."

Either a Senior Vice President of Samsung is wrong about the sales figures, or some wiki page is wrong about the sales figures. You are free to believe anything you want to believe, for any reason you want to believe it, but the rest of us are free to be aware of your delusions.


That quote generates a bunch of hits on Google but they all come back to a website called trustedreview.com

Meanwhile you have sites like pcmag, cnet, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and MSN money claiming that the S III passed 30 million in sales back in November. Huffpo has the same as rehosted AP story, but I couldn't find an original AP link. Samsung had a bunch of horrible information release two months early that was reposted across the web by very credible sites, or maybe a CIO was a bit out of touch with his most recent sales numbers.

http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=b1179de6-733b-4bdb-93 8a -7431f6ff0b40
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/samsung-galaxy-s3-sales_n_2 07 4355.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57541312-94/samsung-feels-the-power -a s-galaxy-note-2-lifts-off/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/11/08/samsung-apple.html
 
2013-01-10 06:05:09 PM

The Larch: TNel: Check the wiki for the S3, early November of last year they sold 30 Million phones so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think they could get to 50 million by now with the holidays in there.

Three days ago Michael Abary, a Senior Vice President of Samsung America, said: "The Galaxy S3 is the world's bestselling smartphone with 30 million sold to date."

Either a Senior Vice President of Samsung is wrong about the sales figures, or some wiki page is wrong about the sales figures. You are free to believe anything you want to believe, for any reason you want to believe it, but the rest of us are free to be aware of your delusions.


Look fanboi you can believe the cites or not. Maybe he was talking only about the us market and not world market, or he just messed up actually whoever wrote the speech did.
 
2013-01-10 06:53:38 PM

TNel: Look fanboi you can believe the cites or not


What the hell is a "fanboi"?
 
2013-01-10 07:24:08 PM

The Larch: TNel: Look fanboi you can believe the cites or not

What the hell is a "fanboi"?


The larch
 
2013-01-10 07:52:27 PM
Wow, never seen a full on troll article green lighted before. Just to throw some more anecdotal evidence out there, I have the S3, and it is at 68% battery now, 12 hours off the charger.

The only time I've killed the battery in under a day was when I was flying the entire day using it as an e-book reader, or when I spent the day with very little reception. 4G barely affects battery life. The Thunderbolt (my last phone) drained fast with heavy 4G usage.
Oh, and while we're mentioning cool apps, AirDroid is awesome.
 
2013-01-10 08:27:20 PM

fang06554: Wow, never seen a full on troll article green lighted before. Just to throw some more anecdotal evidence out there, I have the S3, and it is at 68% battery now, 12 hours off the charger.

The only time I've killed the battery in under a day was when I was flying the entire day using it as an e-book reader, or when I spent the day with very little reception. 4G barely affects battery life. The Thunderbolt (my last phone) drained fast with heavy 4G usage.
Oh, and while we're mentioning cool apps, AirDroid is awesome.


I am a manager at the largest carrier of the Iphone in the world, an escalation manager, and trust me, the majority of the calls I have to handle are iphone users....
 
2013-01-11 07:06:30 PM
I have Verizon and am thinking about getting the Galaxy S3 or the Razr Maxx Hd. Any advice? I'm leaning towards the Razr...
 
2013-01-11 08:31:57 PM

Knobbs: I also know that LITERALLY every S3 I have come into contact with has this issue.


If you could take a screenshot of the battery status screen (Settings, Battery) it will show what apps are draining power -- that might help us diagnose your problem. What commonly shows as high usage?

I, my S/O, four members of my family that I've had contact with over the holidays, and four members of my department have S3s. After asking all of them, in detail, about this issue, every single one of them can use their phone for two days without charging, unless they spend hours watching videos or playing games (e.g. have the screen active for hours at a time). I've never met anyone with an S3 that couldn't make it through the day. So hearing you say something like "LITERALLY every S3" you have "come into contact with" can't make it through the day just sounds bizarre to me.

And this:

Knobbs: Sadly, this is 100% true. I even have another case to add to my list. After all of this discussion, I saw a guy at work with a Galaxy 3. I asked him what he thought of the battery life. He said it was horrible. He said it was plugged in all day at work (this was around 4:00) and he had been streaming music while it was plugged in. He showed me his phone and it had 53% charge left. He was going to get a second battery like my wife because on the weekend, just sitting in his pocket, he can't go the full day without having to charge it. The phone is only a month old.


I'm sorry, I simply don't believe this. I stream music through my phone and keep hotspot on and set the screen to not turn off so it's easier to flip songs while I'm in my office, and with the phone plugged in it still charges fairly rapidly.
 
2013-01-12 10:17:13 PM
regarding bad galaxy s3 battery life, the latest iteration of android on the gs3. jellybean, is a battery killer. switch to or stay on ice cream sandwich, and the battery life is great.
 
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