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2013-01-09 11:47:32 AM  

fluffy2097: namatad: I wonder how long before we start hearing the massive battery discharges may cause planes to explode and your pants to melt.

Um. probably 2007 or so, when china shipped some bad Li-ion cells to several computer makers.

[www.2dayblog.com image 440x341]


My iPod Nano was also part of that recall, due to a tendency of fiery/explodey-ness.
 
2013-01-09 12:03:39 PM  

Slaxl: "smartphone battery life in general is considered adequate by just about no one."

Make that "considered adequate by one person". I think it's adequate. I have an HTC One X and it's clearly not the best in terms of battery life, but it gets through an average day on a single charge. So I can charge it at night. If I need to use it more than usual I have chargers everywhere to help, I also plan ahead by turning off things I won't need if I know I'm going to be away from a charger for a long time. When you consider what a smartphone is, and how much power is in them it's not surprising battery life is short. The best thing would be if all phones had removable batteries, so we could swap whenever the need arose. I don't know why more and more phones seem to be coming out with non-removable batteries. Seems counter-intuitive to me.

i.qkme.me
 
2013-01-09 12:17:18 PM  

Knobbs: It really is that bad. Maybe it has to do with how she uses it that has destroyed the battery, but it's really, really bad.

It's also just my experience, I realize, but we've purchased 7 iPhones and never had an issue. Now 1 Samsung Galaxy S3 (2 if you count the one that died a week after she got it) and she is constantly aggravated by the battery.


I have an S3, my S/O has an S3, and I know 3 other people with S3s just in my department, and every single one of them can go multiple days without charge with fairly heavy use. Has she replaced the charger? Also, you say she's a developer. Is she deploying code to it, and if so, is it bad code? If she's writing a stuck loop or something that keeps the CPU awake it'd kill any phone.
 
2013-01-09 12:23:55 PM  
Meh, My iPhone 4s battery is better than any other phone I've had. If you treat it right (ie don't leave it charging overnight) it's quality. Last screenshot I have is at 2% remaining, with 6 hours 30 minutes of usage and 2 days 15 hours of standby.

Can't ask for much more with the current technology.
 
2013-01-09 12:24:56 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery#Personal_electro n ics

not to rain on the parade, but apple is already using these batteries.
while we can expect some improvement near term with improvements in manufacture and as the tech matures, we wont see gigantic gains ...

blargh
 
2013-01-09 12:24:56 PM  

Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes.


Well this is pretty clearly a case of your wife's shiat being farked up. You may have heard they have sold a few million of those things and while I think you already know this I'll tell you anyway - a unit that is functioning properly will quite easily charge overnight.
 
2013-01-09 12:26:34 PM  

fluffy2097: whistleridge: Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

lolol.

You forget, with a removable battery, you can carry a spare with you, and swap it out when the first one dies.

When your integrated battery is dead, the phone has to be tied to an outlet for an hour or two before it can be used again.


Not necessarily. The portable auxiliary charging batteries are a decent answer to this. You don't end up with a phone that's overly large and bulky when you don't need it, but you can pack along some extra juice when you know you'll be running around a lot.

I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.

As a bonus, you don't have to shut it all the way down to swap the battery. I can't say I ever carried a charged and ready spare battery when I had an Android or Blackberry device, so these things are pretty much a decent alternative.
 
2013-01-09 12:28:09 PM  

fluffy2097: whistleridge: Exactly. Smartphones don't have a lot of excess real estate, and human fingers are bulky. As a result, there's just no way a removable battery can ever be as efficient as a nonremovable one. To paraphrase Churchill, I hate the Apple battery and think it's the Worst. System. Evar...except for all the other.

lolol.

You forget, with a removable battery, you can carry a spare with you, and swap it out when the first one dies.

When your integrated battery is dead, the phone has to be tied to an outlet for an hour or two before it can be used again.


The points are that by making it removable, the extra shell and attachment mechanisms reduce the volume that can be devoted to the actual battery, thus there is a reduction in battery capacity.

There are aftermarket battery/charger devices for those who need/want them, so the point likewise remains moot.
 
2013-01-09 12:35:07 PM  

akula: I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.


can I get a link to your little gizmo?
(that doesnt sound right)
I would rather not start at zero when searching and if you hated your gizmo, you would have said so.
HELLO STUMBLING on HAPPINESS
 
2013-01-09 12:40:16 PM  

namatad: akula: I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.

can I get a link to your little gizmo?
(that doesnt sound right)
I would rather not start at zero when searching and if you hated your gizmo, you would have said so.
HELLO STUMBLING on HAPPINESS


I forgot the name of it but I did manage to find it. It's a Mophie Juice Pack Reserve. You can get the thing for a bit over $30 at Best Buy... charges from a USB port and has a 30 pin plug on it. They make them for other devices too. The thing is the size of a larger keychain (even has a keychain loop on it) and very light. It's a neat way to give you just a little bit more boost to get through the day until you can get to a charger. There's larger ones out there (even from different brands) for other devices or more juice, but they're hardly pocket friendly.
 
2013-01-09 12:45:40 PM  

Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.


Not necessarily defective. With use, ion lithium battery go bad. This happens quicker is the phone gets hot (like using it when charging). The first thing I would do is remove the battery and look if it is swollen in the middle. That means it needs to be replaced. iPhones suffer greatly because you can't do this.
 
2013-01-09 12:45:51 PM  

akula: namatad: akula: I have a little gizmo like that for my iPhone 4; it will throw a half charge into the thing in less than an hour and I can even toss the whole thing into my pocket while it charges. I usually don't need it, but sometimes it will be useful (like tomorrow- going to an out of town meeting, and while I'm there I might need a topping off). There's also the extended battery cases too.

can I get a link to your little gizmo?
(that doesnt sound right)
I would rather not start at zero when searching and if you hated your gizmo, you would have said so.
HELLO STUMBLING on HAPPINESS

I forgot the name of it but I did manage to find it. It's a Mophie Juice Pack Reserve. You can get the thing for a bit over $30 at Best Buy... charges from a USB port and has a 30 pin plug on it. They make them for other devices too. The thing is the size of a larger keychain (even has a keychain loop on it) and very light. It's a neat way to give you just a little bit more boost to get through the day until you can get to a charger. There's larger ones out there (even from different brands) for other devices or more juice, but they're hardly pocket friendly.


crap that is nice
simple, keychain, battery with connector, little or nothing to lose
me likey
me think that this might make an AWESOME gift for those people who travel, forget their charger, would just clip to their keychain ....

thanks!
 
2013-01-09 12:53:45 PM  

namatad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery#Personal_electro n ics

not to rain on the parade, but apple is already using these batteries.
while we can expect some improvement near term with improvements in manufacture and as the tech matures, we wont see gigantic gains ...

blargh


Those are lithium polymer batteries. The article you linked before was talking about silicon anode based lithium ion batteries. Ones employing silicon have not been made stable/durable yet, and are a ways away from being commercially available (if ever).

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/02/new-silicon-batteries-outperform -t ypical-li-ion-chemistries/
 
2013-01-09 01:05:54 PM  

Mumbler: I have an ObamaPhone. Only need to charge it on the first of the month.


Excellent! 10/10
 
2013-01-09 01:12:25 PM  

Egoy3k: Knobbs: Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.

This is her second phone. She's also an android developer and has another from work that she uses to test on. The battery on all of those things is downright horrible.

My anecdotal evidence of the S3 that MY wife uses says otherwise. I have an iPhone 4s and she gets somewhat better battery life than I do.


My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.
 
2013-01-09 01:27:33 PM  

Bullseyed: Egoy3k: Knobbs: I don't get this. I have the iPhone 5. I use it a shiatload. I have no problem with the battery. Charge once a day.

My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

How is the iPhone the one with the bad battery?


Sounds like your wife got a defective battery or phone (most likely since both batteries are doing this) because that's not normal or acceptable. Get the phone repaired.

Not necessarily defective. With use, ion lithium battery go bad. This happens quicker is the phone gets hot (like using it when charging). The first thing I would do is remove the battery and look if it is swollen in the middle. That means it needs to be replaced. iPhones suffer greatly because you can't do this.


That's probably more the case. I assure you, her code is not the problem, and she no longer even runs it on her personal phone.

I'm not being a fanboy here. There are plenty of things like more about the S3 than the iPhone 5. Battery, build quality, and reliability are not among those things.
 
2013-01-09 01:32:57 PM  
all other "4G LTE" phones are still using first generation chipsets which would kill the battery in well under an hour... if they were actually using 4G LTE (these phones come with 4G LTE turned off by default deep in the settings; the "LTE" in the menu bar is technically just an advertisement of the capability, and surprise, you've been using 3G all this time). So let's give Apple credit for waiting the extra year to move to LTE, until LTE was actually real, whereas its competitors all decided to lie and cheat about it.

What is he talking about? My Thunderbolt came with LTE proudly enabled nearly 2 years ago.

Between this, the enormous 'battery ejection mechanism', and the magical 10x battery boost we're about to see, I think this author has been drinking too much apple cider.
 
2013-01-09 01:37:00 PM  

Bisu: Those are lithium polymer batteries. The article you linked before was talking about silicon anode based lithium ion batteries. Ones employing silicon have not been made stable/durable yet, and are a ways away from being commercially available (if ever).

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/02/new-silicon-batteries-outperform -t ypical-li-ion-chemistries/


yes, no, sort of
It looked like the LiPo have started using some of that silicon nanowire tech in RC batteries. So while maybe not in your phone, they certainly are in RC cars and planes ...
 
2013-01-09 01:48:10 PM  

Knobbs:
That's probably more the case. I assure you, her code is not the problem, and she no longer even runs it on her personal phone.

I'm not being a fanboy here. There are plenty of things like more about the S3 than the iPhone 5. Battery, build quality, and reliability are not among those things.


You said it's her second phone, there's no way she destroyed 2 batteries to the point of swelling on 2 phones in 5-6 months. One phone I might buy, 2 phones I don't buy.
 
2013-01-09 01:53:33 PM  
Man, just make the phone 2mm thicker, rearrange the internals so that all the new space can be dedicated to a battery (that'd be a huge jump in battery size) and I bet it'd sell like crazy. Seriously, I doubt people would turn their nose up at a phone with 3 days of battery life because it weighs an ounce more.
 
2013-01-09 01:56:32 PM  

THX 1138: Man, just make the phone 2mm thicker, rearrange the internals so that all the new space can be dedicated to a battery (that'd be a huge jump in battery size) and I bet it'd sell like crazy. Seriously, I doubt people would turn their nose up at a phone with 3 days of battery life because it weighs an ounce more.


ummmm what would the weight difference be?
would it be tugging my pants off while I walked ??
 
2013-01-09 02:00:22 PM  

TNel: Knobbs:
That's probably more the case. I assure you, her code is not the problem, and she no longer even runs it on her personal phone.

I'm not being a fanboy here. There are plenty of things like more about the S3 than the iPhone 5. Battery, build quality, and reliability are not among those things.

You said it's her second phone, there's no way she destroyed 2 batteries to the point of swelling on 2 phones in 5-6 months. One phone I might buy, 2 phones I don't buy.


I don't either. The first phone died a week after owning it, but it always had battery issues. Second phone (and work phone) also have battery issues, but I'm trying to be diplomatic since pointing out a flaw in someone's phone is tantamount to a declaration of war these days.
 
2013-01-09 02:01:36 PM  

TNel: My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.


Sometimes I've found that switching to a more substantial cable or a different USB port can be the difference between a tiny trickle of power and charging at better than 1% per minute.
 
2013-01-09 02:07:08 PM  

THX 1138: TNel: My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.

Sometimes I've found that switching to a more substantial cable or a different USB port can be the difference between a tiny trickle of power and charging at better than 1% per minute.


If I plug my phone into my computer at work it takes all day and it is still not charged due to the trickle charge. Also is that person with bad battery live in an area with horrible reception? Where I work I barely get reception, I'm lucky to get 1 bar for 10 min a day and since it's so bad my phone is constantly trying to get a mobile signal draining my battery.

I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.
 
2013-01-09 02:17:01 PM  

TNel: I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.


wait what?
you can do this?
um how hard?
um could you write this up, cause this would be epic-uber-ultra cool
 
2013-01-09 02:21:27 PM  

namatad: TNel: I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.

wait what?
you can do this?
um how hard?
um could you write this up, cause this would be epic-uber-ultra cool


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84X8cV4IW-g
 
2013-01-09 02:22:27 PM  
namatad:

crap that is nice
simple, keychain, battery with connector, little or nothing to lose
me likey
me think that this might make an AWESOME gift for those people who travel, forget their charger, would just clip to their keychain ....

thanks!


No problemo. It's a nifty little thing and probably the most portable of that kind of thing I've yet to see (that isn't attached to the phone like a case with built in battery would be, anyway).
 
2013-01-09 02:38:39 PM  

TNel: I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.


That (with the video you posted a few minutes later) is pure awesome. Glad I came back into this thread to see it.
 
2013-01-09 02:39:10 PM  
I have an iPhone 5, and the battery life is adequate for me. It lasts all day, and I charge it at night.

I have had other phones where the battery would last for several days, and that actually left me more likely to wind up with a dead phone, because I got out of the habit of plugging it in to charge it.
 
2013-01-09 02:45:39 PM  

Kuroshin: The "removal mechanism" in both of my phones (Galaxy S2 and HTC Rezound) is comprised of "sharp whack to the backside."


The "removal mechanism" he's referring to is several separate things, and they all take up space.

1. The plastic casing around the battery.
2. The extra plastic housing to create a battery "compartment," usually including some combination of a second internal layer of plastic with a molded pocket and a removable backplate with screw holes and accompanying volume-eating threaded screw pillars in the phone.
3. The larger, more durable battery connector designed to be used more than one time
4. A latch mechanism or screw setup to attach the battery, again with accompanying threaded pillars in the phone itself.

And so on. When we're talking about a battery pack that is just a few mm thick to start with, all of the above add up to a substantial amount of battery volume that must be sacrificed to make the battery user-removable. Non-removable batteries aren't my favorite thing, either, but there is a legitimate performance tradeoff to be made there. In something with a lifespan as short as a phone, it's a valid option for an engineer to consider.
 
2013-01-09 02:51:23 PM  

Cybernetic: I have an iPhone 5, and the battery life is adequate for me. It lasts all day, and I charge it at night.

I have had other phones where the battery would last for several days, and that actually left me more likely to wind up with a dead phone, because I got out of the habit of plugging it in to charge it.


My S3 is like that, it will last more than a day and I don't like to charge it when it's at 30% (under that thought that it's better to let the battery go down to empty and then charge than to leave it plugged in all the time) and sometimes it bites me in the butt when I forget to charge it at work and I have a dead phone.
 
2013-01-09 02:52:15 PM  
Maybe it is just because I repair iPhones (as well as all the other mobile apple products) at my shop but seriously, it isn't much more difficult to swap out your iPhone battery than one in most other phones.

That said, you do need a T1 torx driver to remove the back plate screws located on either side of the docking port. Once removed, the back plate slides towards the top of the phone and can be pulled off.

An iPhone 4 has 1 Phillips head screw holding the battery connector to the main board. The iPhone 4S uses two Phillips head screws.

On the iPhone 5, removing the screws near the docking port allow you to remove the glass/digitizer instead of the back plate. The battery simply clips onto the main board but a small metal cover holds down the connection. Three Phillips screws must be removed to allow removal of the cover.


Personally I have both and HTC EVO and one iPhone 4. I have three extra batteries for my personal phone, the EVO, one being an extended battery. That gives me 3 days of regular use on a full charge with the other regular batteries giving me one day...if that.

My iPhone lasts about 1 day on a charge but I have 3 fully charged iphone batteries with me in my laptop bag is if I need the phone and I can't wait for a charge I just swap the batteries.

Side note is those portable batteries you can charge up then plug into your phone via the phone's USB to data/docking port are nice to have if you don't have an extra battery or charging adaptor with you
 
2013-01-09 03:07:03 PM  

Bschott007: Maybe it is just because I repair iPhones (as well as all the other mobile apple products) at my shop but seriously, it isn't much more difficult to swap out your iPhone battery than one in most other phones.

That said, you do need a T1 torx driver to remove the back plate screws located on either side of the docking port. Once removed, the back plate slides towards the top of the phone and can be pulled off.

An iPhone 4 has 1 Phillips head screw holding the battery connector to the main board. The iPhone 4S uses two Phillips head screws.

On the iPhone 5, removing the screws near the docking port allow you to remove the glass/digitizer instead of the back plate. The battery simply clips onto the main board but a small metal cover holds down the connection. Three Phillips screws must be removed to allow removal of the cover.


Personally I have both and HTC EVO and one iPhone 4. I have three extra batteries for my personal phone, the EVO, one being an extended battery. That gives me 3 days of regular use on a full charge with the other regular batteries giving me one day...if that.

My iPhone lasts about 1 day on a charge but I have 3 fully charged iphone batteries with me in my laptop bag is if I need the phone and I can't wait for a charge I just swap the batteries.

Side note is those portable batteries you can charge up then plug into your phone via the phone's USB to data/docking port are nice to have if you don't have an extra battery or charging adaptor with you


Compared to using a finger nail to pry off the plastic backing, tap the phone to dislodge the battery, put a new battery in and put the backing back on? I mean I can do all of that quicker than you finding your Torx bit. To each their own but I like not having to carry screwdrivers around with me. Thats why at my work I make sure all computers use thumbscrews for all side panels and for the hard drive caddies.
 
2013-01-09 03:41:03 PM  

TNel: THX 1138: TNel: My S3 takes 2 hours on the charger to go from 5% to 100% so either you have a bad charger or you have bad phones.

Sometimes I've found that switching to a more substantial cable or a different USB port can be the difference between a tiny trickle of power and charging at better than 1% per minute.

If I plug my phone into my computer at work it takes all day and it is still not charged due to the trickle charge. Also is that person with bad battery live in an area with horrible reception? Where I work I barely get reception, I'm lucky to get 1 bar for 10 min a day and since it's so bad my phone is constantly trying to get a mobile signal draining my battery.

I just turn off my mobile radio when I'm at work because of it. I'm going to get some NFC tags and program them and stick them on my desk and at the door so I don't have to do it by hand all the time.


Really?  just pay 4.99 for juice defender on the android market and it will let you automate this based on your phones gps location.
1. When I leave my house wifi turns off and cel data turns on.
2. When I enter my office, cell data turns off, and if I wanted the phone radios could as well.
3. Leave office, cel data turns back on, when i enter house cell data turns off and wifi clicks on.

You8
 
2013-01-09 03:57:08 PM  

theflatline:

Really?  just pay 4.99 for juice defender on the android market and it will let you automate this based on your phones gps location.
1. When I leave my house wifi turns off and cel data turns on.
2. When I enter my office, cell data turns off, and if I wanted the phone radios could as well.
3. Leave office, cel data turns back on, when i enter house cell data turns off and wifi clicks on.

You8


I'm not sure how grainular juice defender is but with the nfc tags you can do more than just turn radios off you can launch apps change screen brightness and a whole host of other things. I take it you can't turn the GPS radio off though?
 
2013-01-09 04:12:40 PM  

TNel: theflatline:

Really?  just pay 4.99 for juice defender on the android market and it will let you automate this based on your phones gps location.
1. When I leave my house wifi turns off and cel data turns on.
2. When I enter my office, cell data turns off, and if I wanted the phone radios could as well.
3. Leave office, cel data turns back on, when i enter house cell data turns off and wifi clicks on.

You8

I'm not sure how grainular juice defender is but with the nfc tags you can do more than just turn radios off you can launch apps change screen brightness and a whole host of other things. I take it you can't turn the GPS radio off though?


You can launch apps, change screen, brightness, schedule every app on the device,   It is pretty granular, I dug a bit and couldnt find the GPS turn off, to see it is there, it might not be, but it might.  I know it will turn off gps when the screen goes dark because it figures you are not using it then and then fires it up when you launch something on the phone.

here is a list from their site.

5 preset profiles (from default mode to full customization)easy and intuitive user interface (ads free!)2 home screen widgetsmobile data toggle automation2G/3G toggle automation**WiFi toggle automation + auto-disabling optionlocation-aware WiFi control (e.g. enable WiFi only at home/work, disable it otherwise)battery consumption optimization (e.g. when screen off, battery under threshold, etc.)comprehensive connectivity scheduling (regular schedule, night time/peak time, week days/weekends)connectivity control for specific apps (e.g. when Pandora is running, leave connectivity on no matter what)CPU scaling when phone is idle**full activity log More details here http://www.juicedefender.com/reference/
 
2013-01-09 04:18:55 PM  
I've heard the iPhone5 should actually be plugged in as often as possible because the battery only has a certain few number of cycles. Any truth to this or is it a use to death and recharge fully situation?
 
2013-01-09 04:53:11 PM  

TNel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84X8cV4IW-g


THX 1138: That (with the video you posted a few minutes later) is pure awesome. Glad I came back into this thread to see it.


TNel
This was super awesome and you saved me time looking for the right, pain free how to.
In consideration for you time and help, I have punished you with the gift of totalfark. Sorry about that.
 
2013-01-09 06:25:17 PM  

Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.


Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.
 
2013-01-09 06:37:24 PM  

The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.


Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.
 
2013-01-09 07:39:17 PM  

The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.


You had a defective phone, battery, or some software that wasn't set up correctly. My wife and both have Thunderbolts, and they easily last 12 - 18 hours with moderate 4G usage.
 
2013-01-09 10:09:57 PM  

The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.


Sadly, this is 100% true. I even have another case to add to my list. After all of this discussion, I saw a guy at work with a Galaxy 3. I asked him what he thought of the battery life. He said it was horrible. He said it was plugged in all day at work (this was around 4:00) and he had been streaming music while it was plugged in. He showed me his phone and it had 53% charge left. He was going to get a second battery like my wife because on the weekend, just sitting in his pocket, he can't go the full day without having to charge it. The phone is only a month old.
 
2013-01-09 10:15:59 PM  

theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.


1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went over our 10GB that we pay for, it was my wife's Android that caused the problem.
4. I have only had 1 interaction with the Genius bar and they were great. My wife dropped her phone and they exchanged it without much issue. The whole thing took 10 minutes.

I believe you that Apple's customer service is bad, and I'm thankful I've never had to deal with them. Most big companies are. I wonder how Samsung's compares. Any experience there?
 
2013-01-09 10:17:14 PM  

RTFA: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

You had a defective phone, battery, or some software that wasn't set up correctly. My wife and both have Thunderbolts, and they easily last 12 - 18 hours with moderate 4G usage.


Seem to be lots of defective phones and batteries going around.
 
2013-01-09 11:12:13 PM  

Knobbs: theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.

1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went ov ...


1. I had said Iphone 4, not 4s.  I work for ATT, was a huge deal, still is.
2. Yes it is ass.
3. Happened at Verizon and my job, tons of man hours wasted on it.
 
2013-01-09 11:34:24 PM  

theflatline: As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.


It sounds like you're lucky enough to have never had to deal with AT&T, Sprint, or Verizon. Apple isn't a great company, but they are heads and shoulders above those terrible, terrible companies.
 
2013-01-09 11:43:09 PM  

theflatline: Knobbs: theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.

1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went ov ...

1. I had said Iphone 4, not 4s.  I work for ATT, was a huge deal, still is.
2. Yes it is ass.
3. Happened at Verizon and my job, tons of man hours wasted on it.


4s = more than 1 4. I had the 4 and was able to duplicate the issue if I tried, but in practice, the 4 was better reception wise than the 3G.
 
2013-01-09 11:46:23 PM  

theflatline: Knobbs: theflatline: The Larch: Knobbs: My wife has the Samsung Galaxy S3. Her battery is always empty, and it won't even charge fully overnight sometimes. If it is plugged in while she is using it, the power will still go down, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PLUGGED IN. The only solution is a second battery and external charger.

Is this actually true, or just CSB true?

But sadly, I'm inclined to believe you. My wife had an HTC Thunderbolt for work a few years ago. The thing would go from a full battery to absolutely dead in six hours just sitting her purse. With any use at all it would die even faster. It had every single piece of high-tech bling the engineers could pack into the volume, and the reviews from all of the tech mags were awesome. But in actual practice was just a terrible, terrible phone. I never realized until that point what terrible liars and shills most online tech writers are, and how downright evil the salespeople are at most mobile phone stores.

The Apple iPhone may not be the most awesome phone that a mind can imagine, but at least it's not designed and sold by people with undisguised contempt for their customers.

Apple has more undisguised contempt for it's customers than most companies.

1. Iphone 4 Antennae Problem (you are  holding it wrong was what Apple said)
2. New Mapping system
3. Iphone 5 data sucking issues.
4. You should see how the Genius bar treat people.

As  a manager for a large telco, who has to deal with Apple on a daily basis, their treatment of their customers is horrific.

1. We had two iPhone 4s in our house and never had a problem with the antenna. I know it was an issue, it was just an issue that, in practice, wasn't as big of a deal as it was made out to be.
2. The new mapping system is ass. It's one of my big beefs with the iPhone 5.
3. If you're talking about the Verizon issue, that was fixed in the first month and Verizon waived all overages for that month. Since updating, I have had no issues. In fact, the one month we went ov ...

1. I had said Iphone 4, not 4s.  I work for ATT, was a huge deal, still is.
2. Yes it is ass.
3. Happened at Verizon and my job, tons of man hours wasted on it.


You work for AT&T? I left them for Verizon because of a blend of bad coverage, bad customer service, and farking me over on my supposedly unlimited plan I had carried for years.

Verizon's customer service isn't much better, but I've got much better coverage and I know that halfway through the month I'm going to be able to do more than check email.
 
2013-01-10 01:06:39 AM  
"Take a Samsung smartphone apart and you'll see that the battery removal mechanism is as large as the battery itself. If it weren't removable, twice as much battery would fit inside the phone."

I like to know which Samsung this writer is talking about. Sounds like a pull-shiat-out-of-ass writer to me.
 
2013-01-10 01:37:57 AM  

digistil: The Samsung Galaxy Victory is 0.5" thick, where as the iPhone 5 is 0.29" thick. One is almost twice as thick as the other.


It could be argued -- effectively -- that anything under 0.5" is "thin enough" in smartphones, and all the engineering Apple put into shaving another 0.08" off the device depth was wasted effort because it's not influencing anybody's purchasing decision.
 
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