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(Daily Kos)   Seeing how well it went for other companies, Omaha area Wendy's owner cuts all workers hours low enough to avoid offering them insurance   (dailykos.com) divider line 410
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2013-01-09 01:04:25 AM
One more time, idiot:

You're not special in this regard.  EVERY business owner is facing the same thing.  The question in front of you is very simple:

Do I enact price increases and cost cuts to compensate, or do I fark over my employees, garner negative press, and piss off half of my potential customers?

The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.
 
2013-01-09 01:16:56 AM
We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.
 
2013-01-09 01:21:27 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: EVERY business owner is facing the same thing.


I thought it was only mandatory if you have fifty or more full time employees.
 
2013-01-09 01:38:06 AM
Most shiatty places to work have been keeping almost all of their workers under 30 hours a week for decades.
 
2013-01-09 02:11:49 AM

arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.


Or the ACA could be amended so that employers would have to contribute towards insurance for all part-time employees when they make up over x% of the workforce.  IMHO, the majority of your workers shouldn't be part-time.
 
2013-01-09 02:44:15 AM
They're so old-fashioned they're still using the old logo.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:49 AM

Dinjiin: arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.

Or the ACA could be amended so that employers would have to contribute towards insurance for all part-time employees when they make up over x% of the workforce.  IMHO, the majority of your workers shouldn't be part-time.


I like this idea very much.
 
2013-01-09 07:17:21 AM
Damn small business owners.  How dare they take steps to stay in business.
 
2013-01-09 07:43:07 AM

BillCo: Damn small business owners.  How dare they take steps to stay in business.


You sound tired, Billy.
 
2013-01-09 07:44:02 AM

BillCo: Damn small business owners. How dare they take steps to stay in business.


He could get together with other franchisees and pool their money and employees together to get a group plan better than what any could do alone. Or he can wait for corporate to clean his clock and remind him that as a franchisee he can find himself without a Wendy's franchise just as fast as he cuts employees' hours.
 
2013-01-09 08:06:36 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.


How many people do you employ?
 
2013-01-09 08:11:06 AM

WhyteRaven74: He could get together with other franchisees and pool their money and employees together to get a group plan better than what any could do alone.


I'm actually a little surprised Wendy's (and all those other chains mentioned in the article) isn't offering a basic health care plan on the corporate level for all franchises. It doesn't need to be spectacular, and the entire cost can fall on the franchise owner and employee, but the bargaining power to get better rates would be so much better than all the franchises going alone.
 
2013-01-09 08:16:52 AM
He's free to do it of course, but then again everyone is still free to call him out on it, criticize him for it, give him bad press for it and stop patronizing his restaurant because of it, which are all things he might want to consider.
 
2013-01-09 08:17:36 AM
Meh.  I don't eat there anyway.  Only good thing to have at Wendy's is their milkshakes.  And those have been eclipsed by McDonalds adding coffee to their milkshakes and calling it a 'frappe.'  Yum.
 
2013-01-09 08:18:10 AM
Parent company will lay a public smack down on the franchisee and they will relent. Just like with Denny's and Red Lobster.
 
2013-01-09 08:19:10 AM

damageddude: WhyteRaven74: He could get together with other franchisees and pool their money and employees together to get a group plan better than what any could do alone.

I'm actually a little surprised Wendy's (and all those other chains mentioned in the article) isn't offering a basic health care plan on the corporate level for all franchises. It doesn't need to be spectacular, and the entire cost can fall on the franchise owner and employee, but the bargaining power to get better rates would be so much better than all the franchises going alone.


That's kinda the point. Wendy's is a billion dollar company, and a good chunk of their employees probably don't receive even basic healthcare coverage. The point is to get some of those corporate profits into the insurance pool so their employees can get basic coverage, and the rest of us stop subsidizing their uncovered employees with our insurance premiums.
 
2013-01-09 08:20:07 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.

How many people do you employ?


What is the counter argument you're attempting to make here? "No, you're wrong, every OTHER comparable business is not getting along, they're doing the same thing because of the insurmountable hurdle it is"?

More likely, of course, you're just being a wanker, but really, are you contending that he's wrong?
 
2013-01-09 08:20:58 AM
Heaven forbid fast food prices go up by a tiny amount so that the person flipping your burgers can get medical insurance.
 
2013-01-09 08:21:03 AM
Companies like Wendy's also rely on high turnover to keep wages low.
 
2013-01-09 08:21:40 AM

Chummer45: Heaven forbid fast food prices go up by a tiny amount so that the person flipping your burgers can get medical insurance.


well, it is wendy's.

i kinda want unhealthy people making my unhealthy food. Typhoid chili is the best chili.
 
2013-01-09 08:23:06 AM
"When did it fall apart? Some time in the 80s... When the great and good gave way to the greedy and the mean."
 
2013-01-09 08:25:07 AM

arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.


No, we need to get rid of all taxes on anyone making at least seven figures annually. Ever hear of a place called Monoco? It's God's most blessed place on Earth. Why? Because they are smart enough not to tax the rich. We could all be living in a place like this if the libtards would study it up and see the obvious:
www.wired-destinations.com
 
2013-01-09 08:28:35 AM
Who eats at Wendy's?
 
2013-01-09 08:29:00 AM

Yakk: Who eats at Wendy's?


Your mother.
 
2013-01-09 08:30:31 AM

digistil: arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.

No, we need to get rid of all taxes on anyone making at least seven figures annually. Ever hear of a place called Monoco? It's God's most blessed place on Earth. Why? Because they are smart enough not to tax the rich. We could all be living in a place like this if the libtards would study it up and see the obvious:
[www.wired-destinations.com image 599x400]


Thats interesting.

But low population: Population: 2011 estimate 36,371
 
2013-01-09 08:31:29 AM
"Does your tattoo say 'Wendy' too?"

"No, it says "Welcome to Jamaica, Mon. Have a nice Day."

/got nothing.
 
2013-01-09 08:32:33 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.

How many people do you employ?


You know, I had this very discussion on Facebook earlier in the week.

One of my Tea Party-supporting friends said he had to let go 9 people before the end of 2013 because "it will cost him more to fight with Obamacare than to eliminate 9 people, keeping him at the 50 threshold." I assumed he either didn't provide insurance already or provided insurance but it didn't qualify. I went through a fairly lengthy detailing of what I thought was the correct calculations for how much the employer shared responsibility payment would cost him, how much in labor costs he was saving by firing those nine people, and guesstimating how much profit he would lose from firing those people. In the end, I concluded that unless he would lose basically no revenues after firing those people, it made no sense for him not to make the payment. And if he did lose no revenues, the payment wouldn't affect his decision making because it would be better for his profit to fire those people anyway. Finally, I wrapped up by asking others to look at my argument and point out where I made flaws in my explanation.

One of the most helpful responses came from another guy who simply said that if I didn't own a business that had employees other than myself, I should "get the fark off of this post." Because, you know, I couldn't possibly know how a business operates without actually operating one.
 
2013-01-09 08:33:08 AM

NateGrey: digistil: arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.

No, we need to get rid of all taxes on anyone making at least seven figures annually. Ever hear of a place called Monoco? It's God's most blessed place on Earth. Why? Because they are smart enough not to tax the rich. We could all be living in a place like this if the libtards would study it up and see the obvious:
[www.wired-destinations.com image 599x400]

Thats interesting.

But low population: Population: 2011 estimate 36,371


Exactly. Imagine how much better it would be with 300M people, each making seven figures.
 
2013-01-09 08:33:36 AM

keylock71: "When did it fall apart? Some time in the 80s... When the great and good gave way to the greedy and the mean."


Not to bragg, but what you did there, I see it.
 
2013-01-09 08:34:20 AM
redheadedmule.com
 
2013-01-09 08:34:59 AM
Grand_Moff_Joseph

One more time, idiot:

You're not special in this regard. EVERY business owner is facing the same thing. The question in front of you is very simple:

Do I enact price increases and cost cuts to compensate, or do I fark over my employees, garner negative press, and piss off half of my potential customers?

The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.


And yet they been successful enough to accumulate enough wealth to purchase several fast food franchises instead on taking no risks and working in a dead end IT job.
 
2013-01-09 08:36:03 AM

BillCo: Damn small business owners.  How dare they take steps to stay in business.


In all fairness... Most Chamber of Commerce members are able to get insurance that is pretty inexpensive. I worked for a small business for several years (7 people), and it wasn't free, but it was ok insurance and didn't bankrupt the employers.

I have talked to a few business owners over the past 2 yrs, and the ones who pull stunts like this person tend to be reactionary, and out to screw people over, regardless. Others have been looking for ways to make things work out.

It is like they say: improvise, adapt, overcome. (Hoorah)
 
2013-01-09 08:38:07 AM
He's free to do it of course, but then again everyone is still free to call him out on it, criticize him for it, give him bad press for it and stop patronizing his restaurant because of it, which are all things he might want to consider.

I'm sure he considered that, and I'm equally sure he weighed that against the money he'll personally receive for the Fox News interview. You know - the one who will paint him as a struggling businessman making a stand against the evil socialist policies of our tyrannical government.

digistil: No, we need to get rid of all taxes on anyone making at least seven figures annually. Ever hear of a place called Monoco? It's God's most blessed place on Earth. Why? Because they are smart enough not to tax the rich. We could all be living in a place like this if the libtards would study it up and see the obvious:


Monaco, the principality where employers have to fund 40% of all employees' social insurance costs? Sounds like a great haven for small businessmen with the mindset of these asshat franchise owners.CPennypacker:
 
2013-01-09 08:38:10 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.


This. Also, don't give me that "entrepreneurial small business owner" BS. You bought a Wendy's. You're just selling someone else's product, using someone else's methods, and piggybacking off of someone else's national advertising.
 
2013-01-09 08:38:26 AM
Serious Black



Dancin_In_Anson: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.

How many people do you employ?

You know, I had this very discussion on Facebook earlier in the week.

One of my Tea Party-supporting friends said he had to let go 9 people before the end of 2013 because "it will cost him more to fight with Obamacare than to eliminate 9 people, keeping him at the 50 threshold." I assumed he either didn't provide insurance already or provided insurance but it didn't qualify. I went through a fairly lengthy detailing of what I thought was the correct calculations for how much the employer shared responsibility payment would cost him, how much in labor costs he was saving by firing those nine people, and guesstimating how much profit he would lose from firing those people. In the end, I concluded that unless he would lose basically no revenues after firing those people, it made no sense for him not to make the payment. And if he did lose no revenues, the payment wouldn't affect his decision making because it would be better for his profit to fire those people anyway. Finally, I wrapped up by asking others to look at my argument and point out where I made flaws in my explanation.

One of the most helpful responses came from another guy who simply said that if I didn't own a business that had employees other than myself, I should "get the fark off of this post." Because, you know, I couldn't possibly know how a business operates without actually operating one.



He's right, risk management not your forte. Risk your own money and meet a payroll, then you get an opinion.
 
2013-01-09 08:38:33 AM
I don't get business owners.

Cut hours down to part time, then complain when discretionary spending drops.

DUH. If everybody does it, nobodies employees have money to spend on fun stuff like burgers or TV's.
 
2013-01-09 08:38:42 AM

digistil: NateGrey: digistil: arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.

No, we need to get rid of all taxes on anyone making at least seven figures annually. Ever hear of a place called Monoco? It's God's most blessed place on Earth. Why? Because they are smart enough not to tax the rich. We could all be living in a place like this if the libtards would study it up and see the obvious:
[www.wired-destinations.com image 599x400]

Thats interesting.

But low population: Population: 2011 estimate 36,371

Exactly. Imagine how much better it would be with 300M people, each making seven figures.


The government of Monaco maintains monopolies in several industries. At least half of Monaco's money comes from tourism and gambling. The vast majority of their residents make their money outside of the country. How the hell do you propose we transplant their economic model to America?
 
2013-01-09 08:38:56 AM
Whoops. I accidentally those replies.
 
2013-01-09 08:39:25 AM
Job Creators!
 
2013-01-09 08:39:49 AM

damageddude: WhyteRaven74: He could get together with other franchisees and pool their money and employees together to get a group plan better than what any could do alone.

I'm actually a little surprised Wendy's (and all those other chains mentioned in the article) isn't offering a basic health care plan on the corporate level for all franchises. It doesn't need to be spectacular, and the entire cost can fall on the franchise owner and employee, but the bargaining power to get better rates would be so much better than all the franchises going alone.


Insurance companies are jacking group rates through the roof for 2013.  The rate for my wife's company nearly tripled this year.  Individual rates are actually MUCH cheaper right now.  Of course, if you opt for individual coverage, you can still be denied until 2014...

There's a major cash-grab going on right now, in advance of the ACA coming into effect.  2013 is going to be the year of denied coverage and ridiculous rates.
 
2013-01-09 08:40:29 AM

Buffalo77: Serious Black

Dancin_In_Anson: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.

How many people do you employ?

You know, I had this very discussion on Facebook earlier in the week.

One of my Tea Party-supporting friends said he had to let go 9 people before the end of 2013 because "it will cost him more to fight with Obamacare than to eliminate 9 people, keeping him at the 50 threshold." I assumed he either didn't provide insurance already or provided insurance but it didn't qualify. I went through a fairly lengthy detailing of what I thought was the correct calculations for how much the employer shared responsibility payment would cost him, how much in labor costs he was saving by firing those nine people, and guesstimating how much profit he would lose from firing those people. In the end, I concluded that unless he would lose basically no revenues after firing those people, it made no sense for him not to make the payment. And if he did lose no revenues, the payment wouldn't affect his decision making because it would be better for his profit to fire those people anyway. Finally, I wrapped up by asking others to look at my argument and point out where I made flaws in my explanation.

One of the most helpful responses came from another guy who simply said that if I didn't own a business that had employees other than myself, I should "get the fark off of this post." Because, you know, I couldn't possibly know how a business operates without actually operating one.


He's right, risk management not your forte. Risk your own money and meet a payroll, then you get an opinion.


How is that different than risking my time and energy learning skills for a job that could very quickly make me obsolete?
 
2013-01-09 08:41:33 AM

BillCo: Damn small business owners.  How dare they take steps to stay in business.


that's bs. everyone is in the same boat. they all must comply. and it really doesn't take that much of a price increase to do it. what was it? 14 cents a pizza for Papa John's to break even? I'd imagine that 5 cents a burger wouldn't drive business away.
 
2013-01-09 08:41:39 AM

Buffalo77: Grand_Moff_Joseph

One more time, idiot:

You're not special in this regard. EVERY business owner is facing the same thing. The question in front of you is very simple:

Do I enact price increases and cost cuts to compensate, or do I fark over my employees, garner negative press, and piss off half of my potential customers?

The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.

And yet they been successful enough to accumulate enough wealth to purchase several fast food franchises instead on taking no risks and working in a dead end IT job.


Now watch the even more successful people at the parent company tell this guy the same thing that Grand_Moff_Joseph posted.
 
2013-01-09 08:41:48 AM

digistil: Ever hear of a place called Monoco?


Actually, no.
 
2013-01-09 08:41:58 AM

Serious Black: digistil: NateGrey: digistil: arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.

No, we need to get rid of all taxes on anyone making at least seven figures annually. Ever hear of a place called Monoco? It's God's most blessed place on Earth. Why? Because they are smart enough not to tax the rich. We could all be living in a place like this if the libtards would study it up and see the obvious:
[www.wired-destinations.com image 599x400]

Thats interesting.

But low population: Population: 2011 estimate 36,371

Exactly. Imagine how much better it would be with 300M people, each making seven figures.

The government of Monaco maintains monopolies in several industries. At least half of Monaco's money comes from tourism and gambling. The vast majority of their residents make their money outside of the country. How the hell do you propose we transplant their economic model to America?


In his defense I don't think he was being serious.
 
2013-01-09 08:43:15 AM

Serious Black: How is that different than risking my time and energy learning skills for a job that could very quickly make me obsolete?


Kind of a tangent, here, but it's starting to look like any job outside of science, marketing, and machinery repair is under threat of obsolence within the next forty years. The singularity cometh.
 
2013-01-09 08:43:54 AM
I just don't get why health insurance has gotten to the point where in order to have health insurance, you HAVE to have it "offered" to you by your employer.

1. How the hell did we get by before this construct?
2. What would happen if we just shiat-canned the entire paradigm and just had people in blind pools with negotiated premiums/deductibles based on probability of health outcomes?
3. If some government regulatory watchdog were able to keep prices in check to a certain extent, why wouldn't we be able to decouple employment with insurance? Maybe get it through your bank, or municipal HSA bonds or something?

I'm really just kind of spitballing aloud here, but there is just something so stupid about the way we obtain health insurance and how so many people get screwed by so many other people.
 
2013-01-09 08:44:10 AM

Buffalo77: Grand_Moff_Joseph

One more time, idiot:

You're not special in this regard. EVERY business owner is facing the same thing. The question in front of you is very simple:

Do I enact price increases and cost cuts to compensate, or do I fark over my employees, garner negative press, and piss off half of my potential customers?

The fact that so many of you goons have already chosen the latter shows you are wholly unqualified to manage people and run a business.

And yet they been successful enough to accumulate enough wealth to purchase several fast food franchises instead on taking no risks and working in a dead end IT job.


And they're apparently doing it by restricting their employees to minimum wage, forcing many of them to work more than one job, and deciding that none of their employees are sufficiently human to be worth having group health insurance. I mean, if they die, you can just hire more peasants, right? By the same logic and methods, these guys would have been happy, successful slaveowners 150 years ago.

Ah, the American Way.
 
2013-01-09 08:46:46 AM

Summoner101: Serious Black: digistil: NateGrey: digistil: arkansas: We need to get the health care law changed to put government managers into these positions so they can set employee schedules properly.

No, we need to get rid of all taxes on anyone making at least seven figures annually. Ever hear of a place called Monoco? It's God's most blessed place on Earth. Why? Because they are smart enough not to tax the rich. We could all be living in a place like this if the libtards would study it up and see the obvious:
[www.wired-destinations.com image 599x400]

Thats interesting.

But low population: Population: 2011 estimate 36,371

Exactly. Imagine how much better it would be with 300M people, each making seven figures.

The government of Monaco maintains monopolies in several industries. At least half of Monaco's money comes from tourism and gambling. The vast majority of their residents make their money outside of the country. How the hell do you propose we transplant their economic model to America?

In his defense I don't think he was being serious.


Poe's Law means I have to treat him as serious until conclusively proven otherwise.
 
2013-01-09 08:46:50 AM

BizarreMan: I don't get business owners.

Cut hours down to part time, then complain when discretionary spending drops.

DUH. If everybody does it, nobodies employees have money to spend on fun stuff like burgers or TV's.


It's kind of like the Tragedy of the Commons. They can't help themselves. Hopefully pricks like this will be outed and their businesses hounded until they go bankrupt, so a more qualified person can step in and run the place properly.
 
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