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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-09 08:16:54 AM  
7 votes:
A psychological exam ordered by Cox's new attorney, Peter Camiel of Seattle, after he was convicted showed Cox suffered from several paranoid disorders.
"I put a lot of people in fear by the things that I said," Cox told the court Tuesday. "Some of the crazy stuff that was coming out of my mouth, I see that, and I sounded horrible.
"I couldn't have sounded any worse if I tried," he said. "The more scared I got, the crazier the stuff. I wasn't thinking, I was panicking."


I think this guy has several alts here on Fark.
2013-01-09 09:25:31 AM  
6 votes:

Ennuipoet: Mike_LowELL: Step 1: Perform military exercises out in the woods, preparing to take on a fully-trained, trillion-dollar-a-year fighting force with fully-trained, well-equpped soldiers that will not only has absolute air superiority with tactics synchronized through satellite and computer communication, but will eventually be able to employ robots which take human casualties out of the equation.  This way, if the government comes after your freedoms, you'll be ready to take them on.
Step 2: ROFL

I've been trying to explain this to various retarded conservative friends over the past few months.  They seem to labor under the delusion the Army would never attack it's citizens and I have to explain again that "The Army" doesn't have to do shiat, just a couple of guys in a trailer with link to the Predators.

Farking 21st Century technology, how does it work?


Magnets.
2013-01-09 10:44:02 AM  
5 votes:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
www.lilligren.com
2013-01-09 11:11:44 AM  
4 votes:
FTA:
"Some of the crazy stuff that was coming out of my mouth, I see that, and I sounded horrible.

Over the next 26 years, they're be some crazy stuff coming IN your mouth.
2013-01-09 08:26:39 AM  
4 votes:
Step 1: Perform military exercises out in the woods, preparing to take on a fully-trained, trillion-dollar-a-year fighting force with fully-trained, well-equpped soldiers that will not only has absolute air superiority with tactics synchronized through satellite and computer communication, but will eventually be able to employ robots which take human casualties out of the equation.  This way, if the government comes after your freedoms, you'll be ready to take them on.
Step 2: ROFL
2013-01-09 11:20:21 AM  
3 votes:

Catsaregreen: So what you Fark pussies are saying is, "Hand over your guns now, because there's no way you can fight the government. If they want to take away your freedoms, they can and there's nothing you can do about it"?

Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.


growlersoftware.com
2013-01-09 02:38:29 PM  
2 votes:

Maturin: [www.jmu.edu image 396x300]
This is how you handle a revolutionary.

www.jmu.edu
Yellow Pants is all "Come at me, Bro!"

He's straight up honey badger. He don't give a fark.
2013-01-09 12:04:32 PM  
2 votes:

vpb: dittybopper: dittybopper: (that weren't true, btw)?

Well, some may have been.

Still, I wonder how much of it was instigated by the government. It's pretty much well known that if you claim to be part of some militia organization, the FBI is going to actively attempt to infiltrate that group. They've been doing that since the 1990's.

Good.  Investigating terrorists is what they do.  I don't know how they could "instigate" someone into organizing a terrorist organization.


You don't live in the NYC area, I take it?

"Hi guys! I'm new to this mosque! I sure hate me some infidels! Who wants to buy some explosives?"
2013-01-09 12:00:06 PM  
2 votes:

AccuJack: Aside from actual shooting, there would be huge casualties from resistance fighters. Imagine every time a soldier stopped at McDonald's there was a chance they'd get something toxic but slow acting in their burger


That's already happening.
2013-01-09 11:40:53 AM  
2 votes:
Show of hands, how many of you out there are furiously masturbating to the idea of our civilized world plunged into a Mad-Max grade hell hole?

Ok, that's what I thought.
2013-01-09 11:18:43 AM  
2 votes:
At the end of the trial in June, Bryan said he wrote down observations about Cox, which included: paranoia, grandiosity, narcissism, egocentricity and pathological lying.

Sounds like he should have been elected to the House of Representatives.
2013-01-09 11:17:28 AM  
2 votes:
FTA: Barney was sentenced last year to five years in prison on weapons charges.

www.awn.com

I always knew he was a shady character.
2013-01-09 11:10:32 AM  
2 votes:
If the Government had Militias, this would never have happened.
2013-01-09 03:17:44 PM  
1 vote:

Madbassist1: The Afganis kicked our asses...and before us, the Soviets. Thats quite a farking accomplishment, if you ask me.


and well before that, the might of the British Empire. Kicking foreign invaders' sorry arses is the national sport in Afghanistan. If they ever find themselves short of foreign invaders, they fight themselves just to keep in practice.
2013-01-09 02:43:11 PM  
1 vote:

dallylamma: jaybeezey: doczoidberg: All of this gun shiat is really getting on my nerves.

How about we skip the part where we argue about gun control, and just get right to the part where we do nothing?

Why do you hate "the children"?

Hell, a member of Congress got shot in the head and nothing changed.


Well, to be fair, "the children" are a far more likable class of people than "Congress"...
2013-01-09 02:22:44 PM  
1 vote:

Giltric: How long before other countries start waging a proxy war against the US government by giving 9k38s and DSHKs to the militias in that scenario?

the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that......


Hey, if there is any foreign crackpot country (I'm looking at you, Best Korea) that wants to give me a PPSH-41 and a STG-44, I will totaly use it to wage war on the infidels and not just add it to my collection and shoot it on weekends and stuff.
2013-01-09 02:20:09 PM  
1 vote:

tallen702: freetomato: tallen702: The weapons we DO have on our shores are kept in armories on bases. Bases are fairly open. The word "Fort" doesn't mean walls, moats, barbed wire, etc. anymore. It simply means that the DoD owns the land and the buildings there

I haven't been to one military facility post 9/11 (and I've been to perhaps 10 since then -  USAF, USAR and USMC) that is not fenced and conducting 100% ID checks at the gate.  If you think anyone can prance up to the munitions storage area/armory, you are sadly mistaken.  National Guard Armories may not be fenced but again, it's not like the arms are stored in a garden shed from Home Depot with a bicycle padlock on them.

Read part one about how few people on base are armed or ready to be armed, then read part two about the low level of security at base. In a situation of armed uprising, I seriously doubt anyone raiding a base to secure weaponry is going to try to just slip past the guards.

Also, bolt/wire cutters will take care of your fence, you know, if you do want to be a bit more covert about it.

As for the Nat'l Guard, it may not be a shed with a padlock, but it's not much better...


Richard Marcinko?  I didn't know you were a farker!
2013-01-09 01:40:19 PM  
1 vote:

Catsaregreen: So what you Fark pussies are saying is, "Hand over your guns now, because there's no way you can fight the government. If they want to take away your freedoms, they can and there's nothing you can do about it"?

Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.


Yes, sweetie, the military is going to attack their families, so are the police, everyone in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Marines are all ready to leap into action and herd everyone into camps.

/You are just SO CUTE!
2013-01-09 01:22:04 PM  
1 vote:

Catsaregreen: So what you Fark pussies are saying is, "Hand over your guns now, because there's no way you can fight the government. If they want to take away your freedoms, they can and there's nothing you can do about it"?

Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.


So be more like the founding fathers and beg the French to save your arses? Got it.
2013-01-09 01:17:49 PM  
1 vote:

AngryJailhouseFistfark: What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those beli ...


hey you got your Free Republic in my Fark!
2013-01-09 12:55:56 PM  
1 vote:
What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those believers who are serving in the US Armed Forces will be swept up, not in judgement, but in rapture, drawn to the bosom of the Father, because they will be spared the torments and fire of tribulation. So count on this: (1) Fewer troops than are currently in your ranks; (2) honest, God-fearing men and women will rise up on wings like eagles, running and not growing weary, walking and not fainting; and (3) Hellfire and Brimstone that will make your bombs, napalms, predator drones, hellfire drones, tanks, and missiles seem as children's toys to be swept away by the mother before she sets the table for the feast.
2013-01-09 12:23:35 PM  
1 vote:

doglover: DROxINxTHExWIND: Step 1: Set the woods on fire and smoke their dumb asses out.

Because if there's one thing wildfires do it's stay in one place and not cause catastrophic environmental and collateral damage.


Yeah, sure. The most technologically advanced military in history is going to be thwarted by....trees.

Unless those trees are Ents that shoot missiles from their dicks, game over.
2013-01-09 12:17:13 PM  
1 vote:

lordaction: Stories like these are just liberal fantasies of seeing their political opponents killed. You can see the actual glee in these comments and in the article. As history has shown us, leftists want nothing more then to see those that don't agree with their politics killed.


Aspergers, eh?
2013-01-09 12:14:15 PM  
1 vote:
i512.photobucket.com
2013-01-09 11:54:26 AM  
1 vote:

Catsaregreen: So what you Fark pussies are saying is, "Hand over your guns now, because there's no way you can fight the government. If they want to take away your freedoms, they can and there's nothing you can do about it"?

Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.


That's pretty much I got out of the first 50 posts.
2013-01-09 11:54:21 AM  
1 vote:

Catsaregreen: Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their velvet-lined, jewel-encrusted graves.

2013-01-09 11:45:17 AM  
1 vote:

people: How is Afghanistan working out for you?


oh, just like 'Nam, but with much less resistance from the public.
2013-01-09 11:44:57 AM  
1 vote:

Fubegra: FTFA: "I put myself here, with my own words," he said before pausing. "And I feel horrible about that."

Translation: "I'm sorry I got caught."


Everything happens for a reason. But sometimes that reason is that you are stupid and you make bad decisions.
2013-01-09 11:43:04 AM  
1 vote:
FTFA: "I put myself here, with my own words," he said before pausing. "And I feel horrible about that."

Translation: "I'm sorry I got caught."
2013-01-09 11:41:30 AM  
1 vote:

zarberg: So the words "well regulated" can't be ignored?


I'm sure they have no problem pooping on a regular schedule.  I can't imagine MREs is not a high fiber diet.
2013-01-09 11:38:53 AM  
1 vote:

Phinn: Lincoln (the great respecter of liberty that he was)


You guys, the president that freed the slaves hated liberty. Read it on the internet.
2013-01-09 11:34:34 AM  
1 vote:

Xlr8urfark: And rebellious snow bunnies!


img3.etsystatic.com
2013-01-09 11:32:09 AM  
1 vote:
paranoia, grandiosity, narcissism, egocentricity and pathological lying.


sooooo... republican, then? why didn't you just say 'republican'?
2013-01-09 11:31:53 AM  
1 vote:
. The profligate use of defoliants did not help us in Vietnam: Even in the Winter, when nature defoliates itself, you still have the problem of the tree trunks themselves, not to mention terrain features, and a snow cave would be very good at diffusing your infrared signature. Properly sited, it might even be largely invisible.>

As far as I know, where there's a snow cave there's a power generator.
www.theforce.net

And rebellious snow bunnies!
i133.photobucket.com
2013-01-09 11:24:30 AM  
1 vote:
It's not the noise makers the gov. has to worry about. Those guys are fools.
2013-01-09 11:19:25 AM  
1 vote:

Charlie Freak: If you have to limit your movements, hide in snow caves, and stay away from others lest you look like a target, forest or not, you're fighting on someone else's terms. Unless you have popular support, you won't last long.


Our group is pretty good at not worrying about this kind of stuff since we should be able to "hide in plain sight" pretty well without being traced; we think we'll be pretty well off when Obama comes for us given that we know where our parents hide their credit cards.
2013-01-09 11:17:59 AM  
1 vote:
At the end of the trial in June, Judge Bryan said he wrote down observations about Cox, which included: paranoia, grandiosity, narcissism, egocentricity and pathological lying.

Then the judge attached the following image to his notes.

cdn.inquisitr.com
2013-01-09 11:17:01 AM  
1 vote:
I posted this in another thread.

It will be an interesting day when the redneck gun nuts have to raise their arms against their redneck brothers and sisters that joined the army to make ends meet.
It won't be the negro president personally knocking on your door.


The nuts gut even nuttier.
2013-01-09 11:14:47 AM  
1 vote:

PacManDreaming: Meh, if there was a major uprising, all the government would have to do is turn off the electricity, water, communications and have grocery suppliers stop all food deliveries. ....



tax refund check wasn't delivered by the post office? What do you mean the bank won't cash it? Wait, walmart is out of stock on ammo anyway? Damn my brilliant plans for revolution have failed.

Should read more Les Miserables and less Atlas Shrugged.
2013-01-09 11:13:53 AM  
1 vote:
Yeah... nobody is gonna be on board with trying to take over Alaska. Russia practically gave it away.
2013-01-09 11:11:50 AM  
1 vote:
Fringe militia groups.

Yep, this is what all gun owners think like.
2013-01-09 11:11:08 AM  
1 vote:
Sorry, but I have seen "Red Dawn" hundreds of times so I know about military insurrections.  Now, let's look beyond how it's a well-acted and well-written movie whose heartfelt emotions tug at the core of what it means to be a Real American.  What I want to talk about is Form 4473.  Red Dawn warned us about Form 4473.

t2.gstatic.com
2013-01-09 11:09:10 AM  
1 vote:

xanadian: That is one weird-looking dude. Can't put my finger on why I'm thinking that. And it has nothing to do with the orange jumpsuit clashing with his complexion...


You're thinking this, 'cause I am too:

spunfull.files.wordpress.com

/"Robert?" or Roberta?
2013-01-09 11:07:32 AM  
1 vote:
I still wanna know where all these Tyranny-Fighters were during the Bush 43 administration....yeah, that's what I thought.
2013-01-09 10:12:50 AM  
1 vote:
Named in TFA:

Schaeffer Cox
Lonnie Vernon
Coleman Barney


Why do so many militia members, no matter what part of the country they're from, have weird, bygone names like this?

Every time I read an article about some militia that's been infiltrated, the names of their members sound like something out of Southern Gothic literature. Somebody really needs to make an American Militia Member Name Generator.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-09 09:49:24 AM  
1 vote:

dittybopper: Ennuipoet: I've been trying to explain this to various retarded conservative friends over the past few months.  They seem to labor under the delusion the Army would never attack it's citizens and I have to explain again that "The Army" doesn't have to do shiat, just a couple of guys in a trailer with link to the Predators.


Actually it works pretty well.  There is a reason you don't hear about the Taliban winning any battles.  The only reason we are still there is because there is no stable government there to had things over to.

But that's beside the point.  Successful rebellions like in Libya have popular support.

You don't.

There aren't enough of you to even involve the military, law enforcement will take care of you nuts.  You don't have the organization, the discipline, the equipment, the training or the dedication that the Taliban have.  Comparing "militias" to the Taliban is like comparing the Boy Scouts to the Army.

There have been individual survivalists who have fought it out with the police, but I can't think of a single militia group that has even had the balls to put up a fight when the police took them down.  Basically angry white men acting out violent fantasies.
2013-01-09 09:47:12 AM  
1 vote:

vpb: I don't know how they could "instigate" someone into organizing a terrorist organization.


FBI agents are really easy to spot.

Organize a group like anarchists. Have a big roundtable once you get a lot of membership. The bigger guy who says "Let's blow up (whatever)! I can get a bomb!" is the Fed. Pretty easy.
2013-01-09 09:15:25 AM  
1 vote:

Ennuipoet: I've been trying to explain this to various retarded conservative friends over the past few months.  They seem to labor under the delusion the Army would never attack it's citizens and I have to explain again that "The Army" doesn't have to do shiat, just a couple of guys in a trailer with link to the Predators.

Farking 21st Century technology, how does it work?


Apparently not really all that well, or we wouldn't still be in Afghanistan, and we didn't use them to win in Iraq: We co-opted the tribal leadership there (ie., it was old fashioned politicking, not high tech).

Or, to put it another way: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy things remotely is insignificant next to the power of ideology.

/I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Consider places like Afghanistan and Iraq, though: Mostly, they are desert-like areas, some flat, some mountainous, but generally with a very low amount of vegetation.

Now, this is not too far from where I live:

1.bp.blogspot.com

How easy do you think a drone is going to have finding a small group of people in that? What if they disperse? How are the drones going to distinguish the infrared signatures of human-sized animals from humans?* How are you going to distinguish them from normal hikers? What will happen the first time you wipe out a bunch of innocent people hiking with a bomb or missile from an MQ-9 Reaper because they were mistaken for legitimate targets? What if it was a group of Cub Scouts? What if so-called "militias" take to dressing like hikers, hiding their guns in their packs or other normal hiking equipment except for when they are being actively used? How will you know who the target is?

No, I don't think the use of drones would be a game changer in the way you think it would be. In my opinion, that would actually work against the government. You start dropping bombs or missiles in the United States, even on what are legitimate targets, and you are going to eventually make a mistake, and in a country with strong free speech protections, that mistake will be exceedingly costly. And it wouldn't necessarily be all that hard to encourage such mistakes by the use of conventional ruses.

Think hard about it: How many times have you heard about a drone being used against a wedding or other family gathering in Afghanistan? People in the US generally don't care that much because no one knows them, and the media can't get there to report on it. But imagine a drone strike on some teenagers partying in the woods, or a family camping, or some hikers. Imagine yourself looking at the images of a bombed out camper and the body of a kid lying there, covered in a sheet. Maybe his parents *WERE* planning something or actively fighting, but that kind of visceral image doesn't go over well in the United States.

So yeah, I can't imagine drone strikes in the US. It would be exceedingly counterproductive for any government to try it, it would confirm the paranoid suspicions of people like Alex Jones, giving them a mainstream audience and the ability to say "I *TOLD* you so!", and it would be tantamount to an admission that they already lost.

*In search mode, you can't focus in too closely. It's like looking through a soda straw if you use too much magnification, and at lower levels from a distance, the resolution is such that a deer, bear, or moose is going to be indistinguishable from a person. Is that group of blobs a squad of rebels, or some does bedded down?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-09 09:10:52 AM  
1 vote:

dittybopper: Mike_LowELL: Step 1: Perform military exercises out in the woods, preparing to take on a fully-trained, trillion-dollar-a-year fighting force with fully-trained, well-equipped soldiers that will not only has absolute air superiority with tactics synchronized through satellite and computer communication, but will eventually be able to employ robots which take human casualties out of the equation.  This way, if the government comes after your freedoms, you'll be ready to take them on.
Step 2: ROFL

That's not the paradigm now. it's just that some people haven't gotten the message.


That's pretty much the typical terrorist fantasy. These guys only associate with others like them and don't realize how few people share their ideas.

Not to mention the fact that they don't even have the balls to resist arrest, which tells you that they would piss their pants and cry like little girls if they ever had to face combat troops.
2013-01-09 08:19:34 AM  
1 vote:
What, a common criminal with a big mouth bragging about committing federal felonies (that weren't true, btw)? Meh.

We aren't close to requiring a "Second Amendment Solution" yet. We're still on the first couple of boxes. As long as we have the first 3 in working order, we don't have to resort to the 4th.
 
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