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2013-01-10 04:17:52 AM
Why do you chuckleheads need 100 round magazines?

Sergent York killed 28 German troops, captured another 132, and took 32 enemy machine gun positions with an Enfield rifle and a colt .45. The Enfield has a 6 round magazine, and the colt has 7 rounds in the magazine and one round in the chamber.
 
2013-01-10 05:09:18 AM

freetomato: Am I the only one who is a little bit sickened by the fact that some of my countrymen are slavering for another civil war?


If any red state wants to secede, we should let them. After a few months of wondering why the farm subsidy and social security checks stopped coming, and trying to cope with the sudden cutoff in grandma's medicare, we should let them re-join only after a lot of grovelling. The only red state that can pull its own weight is Texas; its secession would hurt financially, but it would be nice to have them gone--provided we first got to withdraw any nukes that might be stored on their soil.
 
2013-01-10 05:12:45 AM

Kittypie070: Why are some of you rubbing one out SO VERY STRENUOUSLY over killing your fellow Americans?


It's what they've always wanted:
www.irregularnews.com
 
2013-01-10 07:47:41 AM

StoPPeRmobile: freetomato: Profedius: Having thought on the matter quite a bit and discussions with ex high ranking service member friends the scenario with the best chance of success in at least starting a revolution is where a protest movement that is somewhat non-violent gains enough members then becomes organized and switches to a violent agenda on focused targets. In order to maintain any long term resistance several military installations would need to be targeted in the opening actions focusing primarily on Air Force targets since their bases would have a lower level of armed resistance.

The only ones allowed to carry firearms on ANY CONUS military base are the military police, from what I understand - I'm sure there are exceptions. So in a suprise attack, very few on base would be armed (see Fort Hood shooter).  Is this assumption based on the fact that the USAF has no infantry-types?  I still can't see an Air Force base being overtaken by an angry mob of militia-men.  I think you are underestimating what they'd be up against, trying to overtake ANY military facility for that matter.

USAF Combat Control
[www.americanspecialops.com image 600x448]

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Yep, the USAF has its share of Special Forces badasses - something that many don't want to acknowledge (badass + high ASVAB score - double scary!).
 
2013-01-10 08:11:35 AM

Artisan Sandwich: orbister: Artisan Sandwich: Why do people think that we lost militarily in Afghanistan?

How about "because your troops keep getting killed there, your enemy controls much of the country and the unscrupulous corrupt bastard you are maintaining in some simulacrum of tenuous power has the life expectancy of a mayfly when you leave?" Will that do for a start?

Did you read what I wrote?


Yes, and misunderstood it. I read it as "Why are people under the impression we lost?" and not, as I now gather you meant it, as "Don't people understand why we lost?". Sorry, but it was a big ambiguous.
 
2013-01-10 08:14:40 AM

Jarhead_h: We're still in stage one of resistance - lots of kicking and screaming. Stage two is active civil disobedience to include tax revolts to starve out the treasury. Stage three is shooting the bastards.


That would be the legally and democratically elected bastards, would it? When people start thinking that their constitution matters more than democracy itself, they really have lost the plot.
 
2013-01-10 10:27:15 AM

orbister: Jarhead_h: We're still in stage one of resistance - lots of kicking and screaming. Stage two is active civil disobedience to include tax revolts to starve out the treasury. Stage three is shooting the bastards.

That would be the legally and democratically elected bastards, would it? When people start thinking that their constitution matters more than democracy itself, they really have lost the plot.


You'd be right if our constitution outlined a democracy. It doesn't for some very good reasons.
 
2013-01-10 11:49:52 AM

pciszek: If any red state wants to secede, we should let them. After a few months of wondering why the farm subsidy and social security checks stopped coming, and trying to cope with the sudden cutoff in grandma's medicare, we should let them re-join only after a lot of grovelling. The only red state that can pull its own weight is Texas; its secession would hurt financially, but it would be nice to have them gone--provided we first got to withdraw any nukes that might be stored on their soil.


Is this the counter-revolution version of "you didn't build that" ?

Some may consider the loss of social security, medicare,and farm subsidies to be well worth the price of leaving.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:22 AM

orbister: That would be the legally and democratically elected bastards, would it? When people start thinking that their constitution matters more than democracy itself, they really have lost the plot.


I'm pretty sure Hitler was legally and democratically elected. Does that mean people were wrong to oppose him, or would have been wrong to take physical action against him, government officials, or the soldiers/police carrying out his orders?
 
2013-01-10 12:02:06 PM

This text is now purple: HeadLever: This text is now purple: You could argue that between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and McVeigh's reprisal at Oklahoma City, the libertarians won.

Ruby Ridge the set up was completly different than Waco or the OKC Bombing and the winning part is not in the body count but how freedom is preserved. Though you are right about Waco being part of the change regarding rules of engagement and due process requirements.

Ruby Ridge was much smaller-scale, but there were many similarities between Ruby Ridge and Waco in the government's handle of them (down to some of the same people), and the Senate hearings encompassed both.

McVeigh openly stated his Murrah building attack was in response to both Ruby Ridge and Waco.


That is why OKC is much different than the other two. The BD and Weavers wanted to be left alone. McVeigh was out for revenge. The governemnt screwed up the first two. The only bad thing the government did with regard to McVeigh is that they did not catch the bastard beforehand. And for that I really can't fault them. The first two helped freedom by forcing the government to take corrective steps to make sure that these jack-booted tactics and suspensions of due process are minimized. OKC had the opposite effect.

For me Ruby Ridge is pretty cut and dried. I am not so sure with Waco that we will ever know fully what really happened.
 
2013-01-10 12:10:12 PM

pedrop357: orbister: That would be the legally and democratically elected bastards, would it? When people start thinking that their constitution matters more than democracy itself, they really have lost the plot.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was legally and democratically elected. Does that mean people were wrong to oppose him, or would have been wrong to take physical action against him, government officials, or the soldiers/police carrying out his orders?


Indeed it might be a much more Jewish Germany if they'd had a 2nd Amendment. We probably wouldn't have fabricated a Zionist state. Let this be a lesson to us.
 
2013-01-10 12:17:11 PM

Wangiss: Indeed it might be a much more Jewish Germany if they'd had a 2nd Amendment. We probably wouldn't have fabricated a Zionist state. Let this be a lesson to us.


Not to mention 6-20 million lives saved. No Bajorans in Star Trek, no godwinning threads, no Bush=Hitler or Obama=Hitler...
 
2013-01-10 01:04:56 PM

Gdalescrboz: because we refuse to do what's necessary to crush their will to fight


We have a winnah. Been that way since WW2
 
2013-01-10 01:19:08 PM

pedrop357: Some may consider the loss of social security, medicare,and farm subsidies to be well worth the price of leaving.


I am guessing that the loss of farm subsides and medicare would not go over well in Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, the Dakotas...
 
2013-01-10 01:25:41 PM

pciszek: pedrop357: Some may consider the loss of social security, medicare,and farm subsidies to be well worth the price of leaving.

I am guessing that the loss of farm subsides and medicare would not go over well in Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, the Dakotas...


Whoops, Iowa is a Blue state. Substitute Oklahoma, Wyoming, and Montana.
 
2013-01-10 01:35:37 PM

StoPPeRmobile: USAF Combat Control
www.americanspecialops.com

www.af.mil

www.defense.gov


Would those guys be carrying their guns on an air force BASE in the continental US, though? That's the question: When a bunch of armed rowdies try to grab a military base, how many people with guns will be opposing them?

Of course, by the time any such movement got to that stage, the military might have quietly increased the number of people on-base who are carrying.
 
2013-01-10 01:47:34 PM

dr_blasto: I think the whole dream some people have of fighting the government is pretty absurd.


The Syrian Rebels would like a word with you, to explain how a weaker force can rebel against a larger and better armed tyrannical government.

/You didn't think this through, did you?
 
2013-01-10 01:49:03 PM

pciszek: StoPPeRmobile: USAF Combat Control
www.americanspecialops.com

www.af.mil

www.defense.gov

Would those guys be carrying their guns on an air force BASE in the continental US, though? That's the question: When a bunch of armed rowdies try to grab a military base, how many people with guns will be opposing them?

Of course, by the time any such movement got to that stage, the military might have quietly increased the number of people on-base who are carrying.


Well, the military police would be constantly carrying. So would the armed guards. And the on-call quick response unit (and if a particular base doesn't have a QRF set up, I guarantee they will as soon as they hear of the first base to get assaulted).
 
2013-01-10 01:50:16 PM

pciszek: freetomato: Am I the only one who is a little bit sickened by the fact that some of my countrymen are slavering for another civil war?

If any red state wants to secede, we should let them. After a few months of wondering why the farm subsidy and social security checks stopped coming, and trying to cope with the sudden cutoff in grandma's medicare, we should let them re-join only after a lot of grovelling. The only red state that can pull its own weight is Texas; its secession would hurt financially, but it would be nice to have them gone--provided we first got to withdraw any nukes that might be stored on their soil.


I think one of the fist things they would do is put a halt to social security and Medicare for those under 65 which would return those programs to solvency. The farm aid has a large food stamp program attached to it so if that was removed the states might be able to fund the rest with the return of the income taxes that would no longer be sent to the federal government.
 
2013-01-10 02:10:19 PM

ha-ha-guy: Ah this old one. The one where the American military military has overwhelming superiority and technology against any insurgency that could happen. Never mind Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq 2.0.

/plus you don't have to actually perform an insurgency, you know just pop the jackass who declares himself President for Life
//not that I support such actions or consider them the proper way to redress grievances, however to claim they are ineffective is deny facts


Wait until they hear about the Oathkeepers. One small part of the argument they make that they seem to keep forgetting is that the U.S. military is made up of U.S. citizens. Most of whom will rebel right along side of the citizenry against a tyrannical government. Where is your military superiority now?
 
2013-01-10 03:04:55 PM

washington-babylon: dr_blasto: I think the whole dream some people have of fighting the government is pretty absurd.

The Syrian Rebels would like a word with you, to explain how a weaker force can rebel against a larger and better armed tyrannical government.

/You didn't think this through, did you?


Do you ever regret having poor reading and comprehension skills?
 
2013-01-10 03:52:13 PM

Profedius: I think one of the fist things they would do is put a halt to social security and Medicare for those under 65 which would return those programs to solvency. The farm aid has a large food stamp program attached to it so if that was removed the states might be able to fund the rest with the return of the income taxes that would no longer be sent to the federal government.


Every red state except Texas receives more money from the federal government than it pays, and would suffer financially if all ties to the federal government were cut. Farm subsidies are payments made to the farmers; the farmers don't get charged for the food stamp program, except in the sense that they pay income tax like everyone else--and as I have already said, they are getting more than they are paying. The cessation of food stamps within the red state will only hurt that state's poor; does anyone have any data on how much rural families depend on food stamps? From the point of view of an typical individual farmer, the way it would work out would be: "No federal income tax--yay! But I'm not getting my subsidy check, crap. And grandma's in the hospital again, and I have to pay for all of it this time, double crap. Grandma's not even getting her monthly social security check anymore. Well, at least those losers down the road stopped getting their food stamps." Things get real interesting come harvest time when he tries to sell his crop, and all the big buyers are now in another country, probably with import tariffs.

I wonder what happens to military personnel from that state. Their loyalty would become suspect--would they be asked to formally renounce their allegiance to their home state? If they were returned home jobless, that would add to the state's financial woes.
 
2013-01-10 04:05:46 PM
I know, the Bread Basket is such a drag on the economy!
 
2013-01-10 07:02:07 PM

pciszek: pciszek: pedrop357: Some may consider the loss of social security, medicare,and farm subsidies to be well worth the price of leaving.

I am guessing that the loss of farm subsides and medicare would not go over well in Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, the Dakotas...

Whoops, Iowa is a Blue state. Substitute Oklahoma, Wyoming, and Montana.


Wyoming farm subsides:
•75 percent of farms in Wyoming did not collect subsidy payments
Montana
•56 percent of farms in Montana did not collect subsidy payments
Oklahoma
•69 percent of farms in Oklahoma did not collect subsidy payments

Iowa
•19 percent of farms in Iowa did not collect subsidy payments

No wonder why Iowa is blue
 
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