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2013-01-09 12:45:47 PM
Here's another tactic you Real Americans keep forgetting..

"Yes, hello, 9-1-1? My asshole neighbor is definitely one of these militia nuts.. Yea, the address is..."

/be nice to your neighbors.
/all the camo in the world won't help when you piss off the guy next door who wants no part of your homoerotic rambo fantasy,.
 
2013-01-09 12:46:32 PM

NightOwl2255: Quoting a book written 60+ years ago about the way things were going to be 28 years ago. Yep, you hit the nail on the head.



Pssst... hey dudes-don't tell this guy about Confucious, Sun Tsu, or Aristotle.
 
2013-01-09 12:47:18 PM

lostcat: I still can't get past the idea that the "Government" is going to -- someday soon -- enact martial law and start forcing its citizens into camps or re-education facilities, or whatever these people believe.

I've been around for over 40 years and I've never given a thought to the idea that our government, which can barely balance a budget, is going to suddenly decide that what's best for a democratic republic is to suddenly change to some sort of police state.


It reminds me of the rapture idiots. The government is gonna come for you. Right now...wait...now....right.....now. Soon though. They've been coming for you all my life, any day now I'm sure.

Seems that all of our 'betters' have it pretty good. Think they're really gonna overturn the apple cart? Yeah, steal more and more incrementally, but straight up go fascist? Not a chance.
 
2013-01-09 12:47:54 PM

Champion of the Sun: LowbrowDeluxe: Champion of the Sun: Black people were treated horribly for the entire history of this country, still are to some degree. That treatment never even came close to stating mass armed resistance. Because even the terrible treatment they were subject to was better than fighting and dying during an armed revolt.

Actually, it did. It didn't end well.

Which mass armed revolts are you referring too? My understanding is outside of a few slave revolts and John Brown, there wasn't much going on. Black Panthers don't really count anymore than saying the hillbilly militias are engaging in mass revolt. The civil war? Cause that's a whole other thing.


Actually, hillbillies did engage in a mass revolt less than a hundred years ago. About 20,000 took up arms in response to the brazen murders by anti-union thugs but were bombed into submission by the American military. They were able to unionize eventually, piggybacking on the successful movement of their betters to the north, those same people who supplied the mercenaries a generation before. Unfortunately, public opinion didn't change, They still epitomize everything that's wrong with the lower class.
 
2013-01-09 12:47:58 PM

Profedius: Having thought on the matter quite a bit and discussions with ex high ranking service member friends the scenario with the best chance of success in at least starting a revolution is where a protest movement that is somewhat non-violent gains enough members then becomes organized and switches to a violent agenda on focused targets. In order to maintain any long term resistance several military installations would need to be targeted in the opening actions focusing primarily on Air Force targets since their bases would have a lower level of armed resistance.


The only ones allowed to carry firearms on ANY CONUS military base are the military police, from what I understand - I'm sure there are exceptions. So in a suprise attack, very few on base would be armed (see Fort Hood shooter).  Is this assumption based on the fact that the USAF has no infantry-types?  I still can't see an Air Force base being overtaken by an angry mob of militia-men.  I think you are underestimating what they'd be up against, trying to overtake ANY military facility for that matter.
 
2013-01-09 12:48:49 PM

Bill the unknowing: I find it amazing that everyone knows they are smarter, better equipped and better able to handle the situation if the bottom drops out of the world than everyone else. The movies are all true!

Good luck with your post-apocalyptic fantasies!


Hey, I have last season's Doomsday Preppers and the first two seasons of The Walking Dead on DVD, I'm good to go! Bring on the zombies.
 
2013-01-09 12:50:08 PM

wellreadneck: Champion of the Sun: LowbrowDeluxe: Champion of the Sun: Black people were treated horribly for the entire history of this country, still are to some degree. That treatment never even came close to stating mass armed resistance. Because even the terrible treatment they were subject to was better than fighting and dying during an armed revolt.

Actually, it did. It didn't end well.

Which mass armed revolts are you referring too? My understanding is outside of a few slave revolts and John Brown, there wasn't much going on. Black Panthers don't really count anymore than saying the hillbilly militias are engaging in mass revolt. The civil war? Cause that's a whole other thing.

Actually, hillbillies did engage in a mass revolt less than a hundred years ago. About 20,000 took up arms in response to the brazen murders by anti-union thugs but were bombed into submission by the American military. They were able to unionize eventually, piggybacking on the successful movement of their betters to the north, those same people who supplied the mercenaries a generation before. Unfortunately, public opinion didn't change, They still epitomize everything that's wrong with the lower class.


You're talking about the battle of Blair mountain, right?
 
2013-01-09 12:50:30 PM

havocmike: Here's another tactic you Real Americans keep forgetting..

"Yes, hello, 9-1-1? My asshole neighbor is definitely one of these militia nuts.. Yea, the address is..."

/be nice to your neighbors.
/all the camo in the world won't help when you piss off the guy next door who wants no part of your homoerotic rambo fantasy,.


Win. I would like to see some of them militia moobs oiled up like Sly's pecs.
 
2013-01-09 12:51:19 PM

MorePeasPlease: NightOwl2255: Quoting a book written 60+ years ago about the way things were going to be 28 years ago. Yep, you hit the nail on the head.


Pssst... hey dudes-don't tell this guy about Confucious, Sun Tsu, or Aristotle.


Pssst, you forgot Nostradamus.
 
2013-01-09 12:52:06 PM
In case you thought you could use your Ar-15s against the red coats, this is what the UK and the rest of NATO will bring to help the legitimate elected government of our close ally the USA put down the redneck uprising of 2018 ....

www.military-today.com

www.globalnewspointer.net

www.enemyforces.net

static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-01-09 12:52:19 PM

lostcat: If someone can convince me that this is likely, we can then move on to the notion that a few thousand people in each state, with stockpiles of small arms, is somehow going to stand up to our military, which is funded by more than half of our budget, and includes nuclear weapons, jets, tanks, phase-plasma rifles, sharp sticks...


fubegra.net
 
2013-01-09 12:52:48 PM

havocmike: Here's another tactic you Real Americans keep forgetting..

"Yes, hello, 9-1-1? My asshole neighbor havocmike is definitely one of these militia nuts.. Yea, the address is..."

"WTF-I'm not in a mili-aarrgh ... someone help me-POLICE STATE!"



/jk we all love 'ya
 
2013-01-09 12:52:52 PM

pedrop357: HotWingConspiracy: You guys, the president that freed the slaves hated liberty. Read it on the internet.

He only freed the slaves in the areas that rebelled. Maryland and Delaware were free to keep their slaves a little while longer.


So you're saying he freed the slaves.
 
2013-01-09 12:53:24 PM

Stinkyy: I find this thread extremely disturbing. It's pretty farking obvious after all the jubilant glee about state superiority from the limp wrists and bearded horn rimmed glasses wearing hipster freaks in here that they can't wait for the tiniest suspicion in order to justify the bloodshed of their non center left (or more radical) countrymen. Great Farking job, Lord of the Flies motherfarking swine.


So you identify with this group? Very interesting you traitorous piece of shiat.
 
2013-01-09 12:54:06 PM
Ennuipoet SmartestFunniest 2013-01-09 08:33:43 AM


Mike_LowELL: Step 1: Perform military exercises out in the woods, preparing to take on a fully-trained, trillion-dollar-a-year fighting force with fully-trained, well-equpped soldiers that will not only has absolute air superiority with tactics synchronized through satellite and computer communication, but will eventually be able to employ robots which take human casualties out of the equation. This way, if the government comes after your freedoms, you'll be ready to take them on.
Step 2: ROFL

I've been trying to explain this to various retarded conservative friends over the past few months. They seem to labor under the delusion the Army would never attack it's citizens and I have to explain again that "The Army" doesn't have to do shiat, just a couple of guys in a trailer with link to the Predators.


Too bad you dont know the first thing about RPA operations
 
2013-01-09 12:55:56 PM
What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those believers who are serving in the US Armed Forces will be swept up, not in judgement, but in rapture, drawn to the bosom of the Father, because they will be spared the torments and fire of tribulation. So count on this: (1) Fewer troops than are currently in your ranks; (2) honest, God-fearing men and women will rise up on wings like eagles, running and not growing weary, walking and not fainting; and (3) Hellfire and Brimstone that will make your bombs, napalms, predator drones, hellfire drones, tanks, and missiles seem as children's toys to be swept away by the mother before she sets the table for the feast.
 
2013-01-09 12:56:49 PM

mgshamster: wellreadneck: Champion of the Sun: LowbrowDeluxe: Champion of the Sun: Black people were treated horribly for the entire history of this country, still are to some degree. That treatment never even came close to stating mass armed resistance. Because even the terrible treatment they were subject to was better than fighting and dying during an armed revolt.

Actually, it did. It didn't end well.

Which mass armed revolts are you referring too? My understanding is outside of a few slave revolts and John Brown, there wasn't much going on. Black Panthers don't really count anymore than saying the hillbilly militias are engaging in mass revolt. The civil war? Cause that's a whole other thing.

Actually, hillbillies did engage in a mass revolt less than a hundred years ago. About 20,000 took up arms in response to the brazen murders by anti-union thugs but were bombed into submission by the American military. They were able to unionize eventually, piggybacking on the successful movement of their betters to the north, those same people who supplied the mercenaries a generation before. Unfortunately, public opinion didn't change, They still epitomize everything that's wrong with the lower class.

You're talking about the battle of Blair mountain, right?


It's the reason "redneck" is an insult today.
 
2013-01-09 12:57:57 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those beli ...


You're trying way too hard. 1/10
 
2013-01-09 12:58:12 PM

theMagni: Mike_LowELL: Step 1: Perform military exercises out in the woods, preparing to take on a fully-trained, trillion-dollar-a-year fighting force with fully-trained, well-equpped soldiers that will not only has absolute air superiority with tactics synchronized through satellite and computer communication, but will eventually be able to employ robots which take human casualties out of the equation.  This way, if the government comes after your freedoms, you'll be ready to take them on.
Step 2: ROFL

You don't have to fight the US military. You just have to get the people at the top.

/Also, Rome was the biggest empire of all time at one point.



I hope you're a troll. Because you just essentially said that militias should be training to assassinate the President and top officials. And, then you compared 2013 warfare with sword-wielding imperialist over-extension from 2,000 years ago.

Again, please be a troll. Please.
 
2013-01-09 12:58:44 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those beli ...


Why does God allow a classroom of kids to be shot up and killed?
 
2013-01-09 12:58:49 PM

Candy Colored Clown: You're trying way too hard. 1/10


Say, are you the one they call, "The Sandman"?


Sure, I didn't expect any takers, I just like ranting in that voice sometimes.
 
2013-01-09 12:59:14 PM

lostcat: I still can't get past the idea that the "Government" is going to -- someday soon -- enact martial law and start forcing its citizens into camps or re-education facilities, or whatever these people believe.

I've been around for over 40 years and I've never given a thought to the idea that our government, which can barely balance a budget, is going to suddenly decide that what's best for a democratic republic is to suddenly change to some sort of police state.

If someone can convince me that this is likely, we can then move on to the notion that a few thousand people in each state, with stockpiles of small arms, is somehow going to stand up to our military, which is funded by more than half of our budget, and includes nuclear weapons, jets, tanks, phase-plasma rifles, sharp sticks...


Don't forget what happened on Ruby Ridge where the US Goverment arbitrarily suspended Due Process rights. This little fiacso showed us that you really don't have to overthrow the government to enact change, but at the same time, it did take the ammo box to make it happen.

I'll argue that freedom was a winner in the end, but it was a heavy cost.
 
2013-01-09 12:59:28 PM

zarberg: Why does God allow a classroom of kids to be shot up and killed?


Because He wanted their angelic voices for His choir.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-09 01:00:11 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those beli ...


HOLY FARK. I am christian, but YOU have gone full retard.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-09 01:00:35 PM
vpb SmartestFunniest 2013-01-09 09:49:24 AM


dittybopper: Ennuipoet: I've been trying to explain this to various retarded conservative friends over the past few months. They seem to labor under the delusion the Army would never attack it's citizens and I have to explain again that "The Army" doesn't have to do shiat, just a couple of guys in a trailer with link to the Predators.

Actually it works pretty well. There is a reason you don't hear about the Taliban winning any battles. The only reason we are still there is because there is no stable government there to had things over to.

But that's beside the point. Successful rebellions like in Libya have popular support.

You don't.

There aren't enough of you to even involve the military, law enforcement will take care of you nuts. You don't have the organization, the discipline, the equipment, the training or the dedication that the Taliban have. Comparing "militias" to the Taliban is like comparing the Boy Scouts to the Army.

There have been individual survivalists who have fought it out with the police, but I can't think of a single militia group that has even had the balls to put up a fight when the police took them down. Basically angry white men acting out violent fantasies.


Bahahaha, you dont know they Taliban do you? They are farking idiots on an epic scale. They are so farking dumb it makes it difficult to beat them. Their idea of "winning" a fight includes getting off a shot then running away where they report to their boss that that killed 3 Americans. When you have that kind of success it's easy to maintain moral and continue the fight. The reason we can't win is because we refuse to do what's necessary to crush their will to fight
 
2013-01-09 01:01:44 PM

Phinn: Nem Wan: Constitutionally, the president is allowed to suspend habeas corpus in cases of rebellion or invasion

No, only Congress can. Ex parte Merryman.

Lincoln purported to do it anyway, then got biatch-slapped by Justice Taney, so Lincoln (the great respecter of liberty that he was) then promptly turned around and tried to get Taney arrested.


Taney was a traitor.
 
2013-01-09 01:02:25 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those beli ...


Beautiful.
 
2013-01-09 01:02:51 PM
ParaHandy - NATO could not help the US beat a bunch of opium farmers with a second grade education in Afganistan. Not quite worried about the belgian contigency nless they drink all the local beer up....
 
2013-01-09 01:03:11 PM

Gdalescrboz: vpb SmartestFunniest 2013-01-09 09:49:24 AM


dittybopper: Ennuipoet: I've been trying to explain this to various retarded conservative friends over the past few months. They seem to labor under the delusion the Army would never attack it's citizens and I have to explain again that "The Army" doesn't have to do shiat, just a couple of guys in a trailer with link to the Predators.

Actually it works pretty well. There is a reason you don't hear about the Taliban winning any battles. The only reason we are still there is because there is no stable government there to had things over to.

But that's beside the point. Successful rebellions like in Libya have popular support.

You don't.

There aren't enough of you to even involve the military, law enforcement will take care of you nuts. You don't have the organization, the discipline, the equipment, the training or the dedication that the Taliban have. Comparing "militias" to the Taliban is like comparing the Boy Scouts to the Army.

There have been individual survivalists who have fought it out with the police, but I can't think of a single militia group that has even had the balls to put up a fight when the police took them down. Basically angry white men acting out violent fantasies.

Bahahaha, you dont know they Taliban do you? They are farking idiots on an epic scale. They are so farking dumb it makes it difficult to beat them. Their idea of "winning" a fight includes getting off a shot then running away where they report to their boss that that killed 3 Americans. When you have that kind of success it's easy to maintain moral and continue the fight. The reason we can't win is because we refuse to do what's necessary to crush their will to fight


BOMB THEM WTH BACON!
 
2013-01-09 01:04:04 PM

bim1154: It's not the noise makers the gov. has to worry about. Those guys are fools.


So much this.

Don't worry about those brandishing scary looking intermediate powered rifles painted black. If I was going to piss people off en masse, those would be the least of my concerns. Now a quiet, determined man with a deer rifle? You would be much better served worrying about that guy every time you grandstand in public.
 
2013-01-09 01:04:59 PM

Champion of the Sun: Black people were treated horribly for the entire history of this country, still are to some degree. That treatment never even came close to stating mass armed resistance. Because even the terrible treatment they were subject to was better than fighting and dying during an armed revolt.

You think a 3% increase in taxes on the rich is gonna get people riled up enough to start an armed revolt? Confiscation of a small class of firearms? Gay marriage?

Even if it were possible to fight the government, and it's most assuredly not, a life of comfortable servitude is better than dying. Even the most worse off people in this country have it better than a guerrilla fighter. Just stop engaging the idiots who think any of this is possible.


This was covered in the Star Trek pilot I believe.
 
2013-01-09 01:05:01 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent....


Lighten up, Francis.
 
2013-01-09 01:05:06 PM

Phinn: HotWingConspiracy: You guys, the president that freed the slaves hated liberty. Read it on the internet.

He didn't free any slaves. He proclaimed (wholly ineffectually) to free the slaves in the territories they did not control, but not in the border states they did control.


He did free the slaves in the Federal District, which was the only territory over which the federal government had direct control. It also freed all the slaves in the Confederacy, but within American lines.
 
2013-01-09 01:05:56 PM

Champion of the Sun: LowbrowDeluxe: Champion of the Sun: Black people were treated horribly for the entire history of this country, still are to some degree. That treatment never even came close to stating mass armed resistance. Because even the terrible treatment they were subject to was better than fighting and dying during an armed revolt.

Actually, it did. It didn't end well.

Which mass armed revolts are you referring too? My understanding is outside of a few slave revolts and John Brown, there wasn't much going on. Black Panthers don't really count anymore than saying the hillbilly militias are engaging in mass revolt. The civil war? Cause that's a whole other thing.


After listening to Dan carlin's hardcore history podcast where he discusses Spartacus' slave rebellion, I tried to imagine slave rebellions on a grand scale like the southerners were terrified of
 
2013-01-09 01:06:11 PM

lostcat:
I've been around for over 40 years and I've never given a thought to the idea that our government, which can barely balance a budget, is going to suddenly decide that what's best for a democratic republic is to suddenly change to some sort of police state.


You don't have to be a "militia" idiot to see that "some sort of police state" is exactly what the US is becoming.

Let me tell you this story about a nation where a man was sentenced to 26 years in prison just from words, where they imprison more of their people than any other, where they spend more on their killing machines than they do on anything else.

The 1st was written with this exact type of speech in mind, for better or worse.
 
2013-01-09 01:07:40 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ.


Funniest part. Good job.
 
2013-01-09 01:07:57 PM
I still can't get past the idea that the "Government" is going to -- someday soon -- enact martial law and start forcing its citizens into camps or re-education facilities, or whatever these people believe.

Yeah, well, I lived the dream baby! In 1972 when Marcos took over the Philippines. I woke up that morning, and the streets were DEAD. Not a sound. The traffic din - gone. Turned on the TV and radio - nothing. No stations broadcasting. I walked down to the local food store - jammed with people, hoarding.

Up the street from our house, I got an excellent civics lesson for a 15 year old American boy - I watched from behind a tree as soldiers in a jeep drove up to a house and dragged a guy out to the jeep, wife and kids screaming, not a goddammed thing they could do about it. Never did find out if he made it back.

The sky is blue in the Philippines, just like here. The people there love, hate, cry, laugh, scheme, trade, goof off, just like us. One day their democracy just went away.

THERE IS NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT AMERICA. WE ARE NOT IMMUNE.

What happened there can easily happen here. Elections can be canceled, guns can be rounded up, you and your neighbors can be dragged off (like the Japanese in WWII), None of that is impossible. You really need to think about how to defend yourself from that.

Hint: having "strong convictions and opinions" will be useless when the busybodies decide it's time to control you.
 
2013-01-09 01:08:34 PM

topcon: Only rednecks own guns. This is what people like this actually believe. And you make it extra classy by saying only rednecks join the military.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/in-gun-ownership- s tatistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/
Link


But I thought all libs were pussies because we didn't own guns, couldn't possibly understand the allure and the power of them, and were too scared of guns to have one in our pussified homes?

It seems that there's a bunch of people who own guns are also just fine with having more restrictions put on them. Oh dear. That just doesn't fit the dialogue the NRA is looking for.
 
2013-01-09 01:10:51 PM

sinschild:

Don't worry about those brandishing scary looking intermediate powered rifles painted black. If I was going to piss people off en masse, those would be the least of my concerns. Now a quiet, determined man with a deer rifle? You would be much better served worrying about that guy every time you grandstand in public.


These work pretty well, too:
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2013-01-09 01:11:40 PM

lostcat: I still can't get past the idea that the "Government" is going to -- someday soon -- enact martial law and start forcing its citizens into camps or re-education facilities, or whatever these people believe.

I've been around for over 40 years and I've never given a thought to the idea that our government, which can barely balance a budget, is going to suddenly decide that what's best for a democratic republic is to suddenly change to some sort of police state.

If someone can convince me that this is likely, we can then move on to the notion that a few thousand people in each state, with stockpiles of small arms, is somehow going to stand up to our military, which is funded by more than half of our budget, and includes nuclear weapons, jets, tanks, phase-plasma rifles, sharp sticks...


That certainly is the irrational crazy, but the more likely scenario would be a slow "takeover". It wouldn't a grand master plan by a group of evil geniuses attempting to be Big Brother, but instead a lot of someone's that place self-interest over that of their constituents that have a hard-on for power slowly taking larger bites of the pie. You ask how could it "get" to that point, that is really easy to happen, especially in a scenario where the economy reaches a critical point. Take a look what is happening over in Europe. Financially, they are closer to this than we are here.

This would not be an all out declaration of war against the government. The support "for" the government at this point would be critically low. Instead, it would be more likely a situation of almost total anarchy. When your governing body loses the faith and respect of the people and your economy goes down the shiatter, you end up with a nation of disarray and unable to maintain order. This would not be this silly fantasy of a bunch of rednecks that go crazy after the government tries to take their guns forcefully as the average Fark Liberal with a monocle sits back and watches.
 
2013-01-09 01:11:59 PM

cryinoutloud: topcon: Only rednecks own guns. This is what people like this actually believe. And you make it extra classy by saying only rednecks join the military.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/in-gun-ownership- s tatistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/
Link

But I thought all libs were pussies because we didn't own guns, couldn't possibly understand the allure and the power of them, and were too scared of guns to have one in our pussified homes?

It seems that there's a bunch of people who own guns are also just fine with having more restrictions put on them. Oh dear. That just doesn't fit the dialogue the NRA is looking for.


fine with more restrictions? Sure....background checks, more commuications between NICS and mental health services.....

Fine with registration databases, confiscation, bannings, extra taxes on those items, magazine restrictions.....no.
 
2013-01-09 01:12:14 PM
Gah.

Biden now saying Obama can act alone, bypass Congress to enact gun control.

Like a goddamn nightmare.
 
2013-01-09 01:12:22 PM
This guy sounds like the typical militia type: A weak minded coward who feels that camouflage and guns make him powerful. When confronted by a trained, professional warrior, would shiat himself and throw down his gun while begging for mercy.
 
2013-01-09 01:14:00 PM

Champion of the Sun: Black people were treated horribly for the entire history of this country, still are to some degree. That treatment never even came close to stating mass armed resistance. Because even the terrible treatment they were subject to was better than fighting and dying during an armed revolt.


How would they have done that?

In 1860, there were 200,000 free blacks in the North out of 28 million people. There were another 200,000 free blacks in the South. And although free blacks did better in the North, they still had very curtailed civil rights, and towards the end, were not considered people in the eyes of the law (thanks Taney).

In many regions, it was illegal to teach a black, let alone arm them. There was a reason John Brown terrified the South and Europe so much -- there was a very real chance he could start an insurrection and create another Haiti. Blacks never rose up in the prebellum US only through a huge population disadvantage and massive efforts to prevent them from arming themselves on the part of Southern whites.
 
2013-01-09 01:15:07 PM

Thunderpipes: Gah.

Biden now saying Obama can act alone, bypass Congress to enact gun control.

Like a goddamn nightmare.


Yes...by executive order a "constitutional scholar" can take away civil rights.

We should all feel safer....especially since all our other rights are just a EO away from disappearing.
 
2013-01-09 01:15:08 PM

Thunderpipes: Like a goddamn nightmare.


Go to sleep little one, when you wake, it will all be over.
 
2013-01-09 01:17:40 PM

IRQ12: lostcat:
I've been around for over 40 years and I've never given a thought to the idea that our government, which can barely balance a budget, is going to suddenly decide that what's best for a democratic republic is to suddenly change to some sort of police state.


You don't have to be a "militia" idiot to see that "some sort of police state" is exactly what the US is becoming.

Let me tell you this story about a nation where a man was sentenced to 26 years in prison just from words, where they imprison more of their people than any other, where they spend more on their killing machines than they do on anything else.

The 1st was written with this exact type of speech in mind, for better or worse.


Again, show me how the "police state" that this country is becoming has affected ME in any way.

I don't see it.

Then again, I don't stockpile guns and conspire to assasignate public officials. And I don't sit around writing to online message boards about how the US is becoming a police state and we need to organize a militia.

I think peoples' fears materialize in different ways. I see a downward spiral in the economy, money moving to Asia, the dollar losing its value against other currencies, the slow drain of intellectual power to other countries due to immigration policies. I worry about the future for my daughter if she stays in the US and choses US citizenship.

Others see jack-booted thugs enforcing laws that impinge on their freedoms. I don't see that at all. It doesn't reflect my day-to-day life in any way whatsoever.
 
2013-01-09 01:17:49 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: What they're failing to take into account is faith. These patriots who are preparing to fight a tyrannical, atheist, secular-humanist government that bows to the homosexuals, the abortionists, the libertines, and the communists are driven to do so not by some business interest or criminal affiliation. No, they're driven by a love of Freedom and that Freedom is given unto us by God. Not through some holistic, universalist feel-good Santa Claus or ancient moon god either. But by the One True God. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Joseph. The "I Am". And these patriots found Him through His Savior, Jesus Christ. But those names are all forbidden in the state house. They're punch lines swear-words, ideals to be mocked at the gay freedom day parade.

THERE'S an oxymoron: Gay Freedom. They might feel free to be gay, but by adopting that lifestyle and the vile sodomy that accompanies it, they take on Satan's yoke of homo-slavery. They'll carry it to their graves, too, and to the Lake of Fire, lest they repent.

Meanwhile, God's Faithful have done as the Master instructed, "sell your cloak. Buy a sword", and his disciples showed him, Look, here are two swords and He said, 'It is enough.'" Luke 22:36.

People argue on and on but I'll tell you this much, the wisdom of the learned is like the babbling of fools. It's plain as day. Jesus's words were the inspiration for our Christian Founding Fathers (yes, they were. George Washington was a Vestryman at The Falls Church Episcopal in his time). They knew. They knew that an ordinary man didn't need cannon and ship and cavalry and mortar and trenches. Yes, the army of that day DID have far more than just a smooth-bore musket. They had rockets, even! But did the 2nd Amendment advocate all of that military hardware? No, a simple rifle. As Jesus said, "It is enough."

And again, He will come in Glory. What the tyrant government forgets is the "force multiplier" that exists in Christ. For not only will He protect His flock, but those beli ...


hey you got your Free Republic in my Fark!
 
2013-01-09 01:18:58 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Satan's yoke of homo-slavery


You should be writing Chick tracts. This stuff is GOLD.
 
2013-01-09 01:19:45 PM

mark12A: I still can't get past the idea that the "Government" is going to -- someday soon -- enact martial law and start forcing its citizens into camps or re-education facilities, or whatever these people believe.

Yeah, well, I lived the dream baby! In 1972 when Marcos took over the Philippines. I woke up that morning, and the streets were DEAD. Not a sound. The traffic din - gone. Turned on the TV and radio - nothing. No stations broadcasting. I walked down to the local food store - jammed with people, hoarding.

Up the street from our house, I got an excellent civics lesson for a 15 year old American boy - I watched from behind a tree as soldiers in a jeep drove up to a house and dragged a guy out to the jeep, wife and kids screaming, not a goddammed thing they could do about it. Never did find out if he made it back.

The sky is blue in the Philippines, just like here. The people there love, hate, cry, laugh, scheme, trade, goof off, just like us. One day their democracy just went away.

THERE IS NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT AMERICA. WE ARE NOT IMMUNE.

What happened there can easily happen here. Elections can be canceled, guns can be rounded up, you and your neighbors can be dragged off (like the Japanese in WWII), None of that is impossible. You really need to think about how to defend yourself from that.

Hint: having "strong convictions and opinions" will be useless when the busybodies decide it's time to control you.



Ok, so why would the US Military go along with essentially a dictatorship and martial law? You're assuming that some individual like Marcos is going to take control of the entire country, and somehow pay off ALL the industries in America to go along with him, by convincing them that an oppressed populace with little to export is good for business?

And if the military, all of business, and the entire governemnt did ally to impose martial law, how do you think militias are going to stop them?

You don't see how your argument makes no sense? There is no "magic" in play, just socioeconomic factors that are are completely different from your anecdote of 40 years ago.
 
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