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(LA Times)   NOAA: 2012 was the hottest year on record in the lower 48 United States. But global warming is totally not happening 'cuz there's snow in your backyard right now   (latimes.com) divider line 297
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2013-01-09 05:17:51 AM  
Wow,.. hottest year on record... given that the records go back a whopping 100-120 years, and what's commonly referred to as geologic timeline is at least three orders of magnitude greater than that, and, if you go back forty years to when the theory of global cooling was king, suffice it to say, yet again, nothing to see here.

Thanks for playing.

/btw: your opinions on this are worthless. the only thing that would cause you to type a response to this would be your inexplicable desire to hear yourself talk.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:39 AM  
You know what, let's just go ahead and hand the reins of the economy over to the likes of Al Gore, who will surely save us. I mean, if we give him all the money and power he asks for to re-write modern economies back into the stone age, that'll save us, right?

Oh, wait, Al Gore is filthy rich right now with Saudi Oil money?

Now who will we turn to for salvation from our carbon sins?
Where can I buy a carbon indulgence?!?!

(Hey, have you ever tried to get parking for your private jet at one of those Global Warming conferences? It's damn near impossible, every airport for two hundred miles is full!)
 
2013-01-09 05:23:52 AM  

CountryClubRepublican: Busted


A shocking revelation from a man who appears to have never written an honest, non-partisan, reliable or trustworthy article. Well, I'm sold.
 
2013-01-09 05:24:25 AM  
All you conspiracy theorists do my farking head in.
 
2013-01-09 05:24:31 AM  

GandalfTheWhite: /btw: your opinions on this are worthless. the only thing that would cause you to type a response to this would be your inexplicable desire to hear yourself talk.


Wow, folks, this is a textbook example of a self-refuting post...
 
2013-01-09 05:31:41 AM  
If the stream splits into two streams while I'm peeing does that mean the pee is coming out twice as fast?

/A question as valid as anything else in this thread
 
2013-01-09 05:33:42 AM  

illannoyin: If the stream splits into two streams while I'm peeing does that mean the pee is coming out twice as fast?

/A question as valid as anything else in this thread


If a Buddhist monk claps with one hand in the middle of a forest when a tree falls on him, do all bears shiat in the woods?
 
2013-01-09 05:36:07 AM  
icecap.us

http://www.voanews.com/content/article--global-warming-could-delay-ne x t-ice-age-137029543/169712.html
 
2013-01-09 05:36:16 AM  

illannoyin: If the stream splits into two streams while I'm peeing does that mean the pee is coming out twice as fast?

/A question as valid as anything else in this thread


Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
 
2013-01-09 05:36:39 AM  

Psycat: Having spent a few years of my childhood in close proximity of Southern Baptists, I'm afraid these folks are real. I can't read Conservapedia for more than 10 minutes without getting a serious headache. Seriously, there should be a picture of Einstein pointing to the number 70 and saying "Your IQ must be lower than this to enter."


Actually people with high IQs can be especially good at creating bulletproof alternative realities where they are right about everything because they are good at rationalizing why all the contrary evidence is wrong/inapplicable/biased etc.
 
2013-01-09 05:40:15 AM  

CountryClubRepublican: Busted


Actually, a quick look through the NOAA site shows that all of their reported temps are higher than what is on the website. Looks like they're using different methods of averaging somewhere (no idea where or why). If you click through to Watt's site, you'll see that graphic that compares July's 1936 and 2012, but he didn't correct the 1936 number to match NOAA's internal stuff (it's also lower). Whatever is causing the admittedly strange discrepancies looks like it's systematic, though, and 2012 is still the warmest if you just use the site's data.

It is pretty odd that they'd use different numbers in their reports, though. I'm not sure why that is, but I'm sure there's a farker out there that has a better grasp of the situation.
 
2013-01-09 05:44:28 AM  

xria: Psycat: Having spent a few years of my childhood in close proximity of Southern Baptists, I'm afraid these folks are real. I can't read Conservapedia for more than 10 minutes without getting a serious headache. Seriously, there should be a picture of Einstein pointing to the number 70 and saying "Your IQ must be lower than this to enter."

Actually people with high IQs can be especially good at creating bulletproof alternative realities where they are right about everything because they are good at rationalizing why all the contrary evidence is wrong/inapplicable/biased etc.


I don't doubt it--consider the success of scam artists like Benny Hinn, etc. The IQ test is strictly for people reading Conservapedia, not the people shiatting, er, writing this crap.

BTW, when I was in Mensa* years ago, there was a member who--I kid you not--was a Young Earth Creationist. He was in a debate-all-comers mood, but when I debated him--politely, I might add--he suddenly decided he had something more important to do after a mere five minutes of me browbeating him...

*Yes, it was a silly waste of time. It's mostly a support group for smart people who aren't doing as well as they should. Instead of scheming ways of taking back society from the permanently brain-dead, they spend time at Annual Gatherings playing Boggle and Scrabble...
 
2013-01-09 05:44:29 AM  

hawcian: I'm sure there's a farker out there that has a better grasp of the situation nonsensical conspiracy theory.


FTFY.
 
2013-01-09 05:45:12 AM  

Psycat: If a Buddhist monk claps with one hand in the middle of a forest when a tree falls on him, do all bears shiat in the woods?


Only in months with a 'Y' but using the Farsi month names not the English ones.

SnarfVader: Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?



No. But I have engaged in a practice called "Turkish delight" where you take a bar of chocolate in one hand and gummi candies in the other and...

Wait, I'm here to get answers not give them!
 
2013-01-09 05:46:59 AM  

SnarfVader: illannoyin: If the stream splits into two streams while I'm peeing does that mean the pee is coming out twice as fast?

/A question as valid as anything else in this thread

Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?


Do you like Greco-Roman wrestling?*

*(or was it gladiator films?)
 
2013-01-09 05:52:23 AM  
How about "Acting like the sun shines out of the crack of your ass because yo can afford an ISP"? Or for that matter, selling broad cultural pronouncements as journalism. Here's one. "Stop being mean to people". I want my 30 seconds back.
 
2013-01-09 05:54:13 AM  
Not this derp again.
 
2013-01-09 05:55:12 AM  

Psycat: Do you like Greco-Roman wrestling?*

*(or was it gladiator films?)


It was gladiator films and no I don't.

But, I do have a dog named Scraps that likes to hump my leg.

/Before anyone asks yes, I have seen a grown man naked
 
2013-01-09 05:56:22 AM  
So we should nuke China to stop global warming obviously...
 
2013-01-09 05:56:55 AM  
Good, anything to make a Liberal whine, is ok by me... Hell, nevermind, they do that anyway.
 
2013-01-09 06:00:34 AM  

illannoyin: Psycat: Do you like Greco-Roman wrestling?*

*(or was it gladiator films?)

It was gladiator films and no I don't.

But, I do have a dog named Scraps that likes to hump my leg.

/Before anyone asks yes, I have seen a grown man naked


Yes, but have you seen a naked man groan?

/i hate gladiator films myself
//and basically any stupid spear-and-sandal film
///c b de mille is seriously over-rated
////and the liz taylor version of cleopatra really really sucked
 
2013-01-09 06:00:34 AM  
Getting tired of snowblowing my driveway.
 
2013-01-09 06:02:06 AM  
It's 6 am right now in central Florida. 67 degrees and humid as hell. In January. Can't say that I mind, really.

i.imwx.com

The rest of the country looks far too cold.
 
2013-01-09 06:06:37 AM  
Woo, wrong thread post. Need more coffee.
 
2013-01-09 06:07:25 AM  
OK, so this is off-topic a bit, but has anybody else heard this?

I read somewhere that back in the 1920s when they made the first chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants, they were seriously considering using bromine as well. Turns out that, years later, they found out that bromine-carbon compounds are far, far, far more dangerous to the ozone layer than chlorofluorocarbons by a wide margin. If we had gone with bromine in the 20s, we wouldn't have much of an ozone layer left by the time we discovered what was happening. Without an ozone layer, the ultra-violet radiation out there would be a hell of a lot higher--anything from an epidemic of skin cancer to the destruction of basically all life on Earth. I can't find anything on Wikipedia about this ('natch), and was wondering if there's anything else out there on this...
 
2013-01-09 06:13:26 AM  

DesertDemonWY:
[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]
No Warming For 16 years


Hello SevenizGud. Could you please explain what the significance of 16 years is, and why that particular time span has been chosen instead of, say, 10 years or 20 years? In other words, can you explain to us the criteria for choosing the time window to evaluate the data with?

Thanks in advance;
=Smidge=
 
2013-01-09 06:15:36 AM  
Wasn't Enrico Fermi the guy who first came up with the idea that the reason we're not finding intelligent extra-terrestrial life out there is because when a species gets smart enough, they find a way to destroy themselves? We've already had several close calls during the Cold War--even Kennedy said that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a 50/50 shot of turning into nuclear war. Between nuclear proliferation, global warming, genetic engineering, and Justin Bieber, I wonder if Fermi was right...

/i'm almost 50, so i still outlived most of humanity if i die today
//no kids, so i'm not too concerned if the world falls apart five minutes after i'm buried
///actually, i'll get cremated and pollute the atmosphere because why should i care?
////and make an 'ash' of myself
 
2013-01-09 06:28:58 AM  

Dadoody: [icecap.us image 818x526]

http://www.voanews.com/content/article--global-warming-could-delay-ne x t-ice-age-137029543/169712.html


Global Warming Could Delay Next Ice Age

[OKWithThis.jpg]
 
2013-01-09 06:29:52 AM  

arghyematey: It's 6 am right now in central Florida. 67 degrees and humid as hell. In January. Can't say that I mind, really.



The rest of the country looks far too cold.


It's the price we pay to not live in Florida.
 
2013-01-09 06:35:46 AM  

SnarfVader: Pray 4 Mojo: We need a story that guns cause global warming...

so we can marry two awesome Fark pastimes in one thread.

That one is easy. People buy guns to feel safer. That's also the reason people buy large SUVs. SUVs cause global warming. Therefore, people who want to feel safer cause global warming and, by extension, gun owners cause global warming. Tada!


Global warming causes guns you cause and effect confusing jerkfaces.
 
2013-01-09 06:37:15 AM  

GAT_00: DesertDemonWY: Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Accelerating so fast that the GLOBE hasn't warmed at all in 16 years.

[i575.photobucket.com image 500x341]


same old strawman image. Cite the sceptic who created the image Oh yeah, it was skepticalscience.com, a warmista who creates false memes
 
2013-01-09 06:38:22 AM  
This thread looks YouTube comments stupid already.
 
2013-01-09 06:38:52 AM  

T.rex: Good, anything to make a Liberal whine, is ok by me... Hell, nevermind, they do that anyway.


See? If science proves a "liberal*" right, then THE SCIENCE MUST BE WRONG!

*Liberal meaning, as usual, people capable of accepting facts.
 
2013-01-09 06:39:07 AM  

dstanley: arghyematey: It's 6 am right now in central Florida. 67 degrees and humid as hell. In January. Can't say that I mind, really.

The rest of the country looks far too cold.

It's the price we pay to not live in Florida.


If I ever get rich, I'm staying the hell away from Florida. Hawaii's much better; more liberal, more pot-smoking, better climate, no yahoos, no Scientology center, no John Revolta or Rash Lamebrow, and more laid back. Believe it or not, Hawaii is cooler in the summer than Minnesota by about 10 degrees--and it'll probably still have an awesome climate even when global warming means that it's 120 F in Tallahassee...
 
2013-01-09 06:41:39 AM  
it's going to be 72 degrees here on friday...
 
2013-01-09 06:43:41 AM  

Alphax: This thread looks YouTube comments stupid already.


Go bak to playin CoD tard!!
 
2013-01-09 06:48:29 AM  

DesertDemonWY: GAT_00: DesertDemonWY: Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Accelerating so fast that the GLOBE hasn't warmed at all in 16 years.

[i575.photobucket.com image 500x341]

and by "realists" you mean liars and data manipulators?

let's have a look at the actual data:



No
Warming
For
16
years
.


Step 1: criticize charts that show a warming trend as inadequate because they aren't capturing enough data points to sufficiently show a warming trend.
Step 2: reference a chart that covers an even less data points and use that to debunk climate change theories.
 
2013-01-09 06:49:46 AM  

dstanley: arghyematey: It's 6 am right now in central Florida. 67 degrees and humid as hell. In January. Can't say that I mind, really.

The rest of the country looks far too cold.

It's the price we pay to not live in Florida.


I can't believe that I'm saying this but... Florida really isn't that bad. I still wish that our waters weren't shark and gator infested but I've met some pretty great people since I've moved here. We have TONS of awesome beer bars, Miami and the Keys are a short drive away, and the theme parks are actually pretty fun when you can get into them for free.

Oh yeah, and I work outside (overnight, to boot) and I've only seen frost twice so far this winter. Have fun shoveling your snow :)
 
2013-01-09 06:50:09 AM  

hawcian: CountryClubRepublican: Busted

Actually, a quick look through the NOAA site shows that all of their reported temps are higher than what is on the website. Looks like they're using different methods of averaging somewhere (no idea where or why). If you click through to Watt's site, you'll see that graphic that compares July's 1936 and 2012, but he didn't correct the 1936 number to match NOAA's internal stuff (it's also lower). Whatever is causing the admittedly strange discrepancies looks like it's systematic, though, and 2012 is still the warmest if you just use the site's data.

It is pretty odd that they'd use different numbers in their reports, though. I'm not sure why that is, but I'm sure there's a farker out there that has a better grasp of the situation.


One factor is that some weather stations don't make their data available in real time. The monthly State of the Climate reports can only include what's been reported to that date, and aren't updated as new data comes in. Conversely, the database is regularly updated.

Looking at the table in CountryClubRepublican's link you can see the last two months have identical entries in database and SOTC report, which supports that there is probably an influence of station reporting lag.
 
2013-01-09 06:50:42 AM  
Do any of the pundits at Fox News own any beachfront property? Because if the seas swallow them it would be the perfect comeback.
 
2013-01-09 06:53:35 AM  

Psycat: log_jammin: Psycat: to Einstein's relativity,

that's the one that gets me the most. They are so crazy that they think physics theories can be liberal.

This is how their reasoning works. One of the bigger bugs up their butts is "moral relativity"; that is, the idea that morality might depend on the particular situation rather than having some sort of absolute, Bible-based moral system. Apparently, that's the ultimate moral failure of liberals. Never mind that conservatives themselves practice moral relativity--for example, the Biblical commandment against murder doesn't apply in military combat, execution of criminals, etc. And, in the very cramped minds of the idiots who write for the Conservapedia, relativity in the physics sense somehow translates into relativity in the moral sense. Teach E=MC^2 and suddenly cats are marrying dogs and kids are mainlining reefer while sodomizing each other. Yes, this is how these mental eunuchs really think...


Mass hysteria!

/Hey remember when storylines in movies could include things like real ghosts, and logical explanations of skeptical dickish villains, but it wasn't all considered political partisan messages either way?
 
2013-01-09 06:55:27 AM  
I was going to give Pocketninja a 4/10, for being so obvious, but then he kept getting bites, so I guess he's at least an 9/10.
 
2013-01-09 06:55:44 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Not this derp again.


Where's your peer-reviewed, widely-accepted contrary data?
 
2013-01-09 06:57:45 AM  
Meh. Even assuming the most disastrous models are correct, it's clear no we won't be motivated as a society to actually do anything until so many people are affected, it's too late. (cue "What if we do all this for nothing?" comic).

Once this became a political issue, it was never going to be resolved intelligently.

Maybe the Climate Change people should call the ozone layer people and find out what they did to get changes enacted that prevented us all from having skin cancer.
 
2013-01-09 06:58:12 AM  
the world is going to freeze!
Everybody will get aids!
bird flu/swine flu!
Global warming will kill us all in a decade!
Sorry make that 15 years
my bad, make that 20 years
oops, got the numbers wrong, we'll make that 50 to 100 years
Ignore the scientific teams that got busted for faking evidence
we should all still be panicking.
start the panicking

If it's warming it's a natural trend.
Stop being so vain as to say
'we made this happen'
or
'we can stop it from happening'
insignificant little things that we are
 
2013-01-09 06:59:17 AM  

Summercat: I was going to give Pocketninja a 4/10, for being so obvious, but then he kept getting bites, so I guess he's at least an 9/10.


Well, Pocket Ninja is effective because people actually believe his arguments. There have been a few times people agreed with him.
 
2013-01-09 07:00:32 AM  

arghyematey: dstanley: arghyematey: It's 6 am right now in central Florida. 67 degrees and humid as hell. In January. Can't say that I mind, really.

The rest of the country looks far too cold.

It's the price we pay to not live in Florida.

I can't believe that I'm saying this but... Florida really isn't that bad. I still wish that our waters weren't shark and gator infested but I've met some pretty great people since I've moved here. We have TONS of awesome beer bars, Miami and the Keys are a short drive away, and the theme parks are actually pretty fun when you can get into them for free.

Oh yeah, and I work outside (overnight, to boot) and I've only seen frost twice so far this winter. Have fun shoveling your snow :)


Different strokes. I have nothing against the land of Florida, but I'm not a tropical type of person. I like winter, skiing, snow and mountains. All things that seem to be consipicuously absent in Florida. I do sail though, and imagine doing that everyday could keep me pretty happy along with lots of scantily clad femaile beach goers.

What was this thread about again? Oh yeah, going in circles about global warming. Florida may actually be more interesting conversation at this point.
 
2013-01-09 07:07:00 AM  
i26.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 07:07:03 AM  
i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 07:07:24 AM  

AdamK: it's going to be 72 degrees here on friday...


Yesterday for work I had to drive to Murphy, NC, took two different Appalachian mountain passes (I-40 at Black Mountain and Winding Stair in the Nantahala Forest.

I did not see any snow whatsoever the entire trip, and it was 55 in Murphy.

/CSB
 
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