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		NOAA: 2012 was the hottest year on record in the lower 48 United States. But global warming is totally not happening 'cuz there's snow in your backyard right now (latimes.com)		297
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Sgygus		2013-01-08 11:16:28 PM

Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Bontesla		2013-01-08 11:34:47 PM

Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Yup.

Nullav		2013-01-09 12:07:10 AM

No big deal. It just means I have to shave my head and break out the sunscreen in March instead of June from now on.

fusillade762		2013-01-09 12:21:55 AM

I like Friedman's term better: "Global Weirding".

Pocket Ninja		2013-01-09 12:25:22 AM

Your headline reeks of ignorance, subby. And it pains me to explain this to you, because I'm sure you won't understand, but I'm a glutton for punishment so I guess I'll try anyway.

See, let's just say that 2012 *was* the hottest year on record. And there's no guarantee that it actually was, of course, because there's endless proof that climate scientists are constantly emailing lies to each other. But let's say it was, just for argument's sake. So what does that mean?

Well, let's consider the first possibility, which is that 2013 ends up being cooler than 2012. So, YAY. You got it right, 2012 WAS the hottest year on record. But if it's getting cooler, then how is the earth getting WARMER, dumbass?

It's not. It's getting cooler. So, done. You, 0. Me, 1.

On the other hand, let's say that 2013 ends up being hotter than 2012. That means that 2012 was *not* the hottest year on record, right? I mean, can you deny that? So it turns out that 2012 wasn't the hottest year, and 2013 was. And climate activists or whatever they want to call themselves this year will be all like, "Oh, see, this proves that the earth IS getting hotter."

But you know what that's really called? Of course you do, because you probably spend a lot of time debating dumb points in internet forums. It's called "moving the goal posts." It's like, "oh, 2012 is the hottest year EVAR. Everybody panic!" And then 2013 rolls around and you're like, "oh, 2013 is the hottest year EVAR. Everybody panic and forget what we said about 2012!" You mess up calling the hottest year on record, and so instead of saying, "wow, I was wrong, 2012 WASN'T the hottest year on record," you try to just pretend that you never said that at all. It's astounding chutzpah, really. But in the end, for all intensive purposes, it's completely dishonest. And dishonesty will never win you anything. You, 0, Me, 2.

Please. I implore you. Study what you're talking about before you post your next headline. There's enough misunderstanding and stupidity on here as it is, and it would behoof you to not be a part of it.

UberDave		2013-01-09 12:37:04 AM

Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

And Leon's getting laaaarrrrger!

Triumph		2013-01-09 12:53:15 AM

All I want to know is how soon until I can plant grapefruit trees in my backyard?

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2013-01-09 12:56:19 AM

Pocket Ninja: Your headline reeks of ignorance, subby. And it pains me to explain this to you, because I'm sure you won't understand, but I'm a glutton for punishment so I guess I'll try anyway.

See, let's just say that 2012 *was* the hottest year on record. And there's no guarantee that it actually was, of course, because there's endless proof that climate scientists are constantly emailing lies to each other. But let's say it was, just for argument's sake. So what does that mean?

Well, let's consider the first possibility, which is that 2013 ends up being cooler than 2012. So, YAY. You got it right, 2012 WAS the hottest year on record. But if it's getting cooler, then how is the earth getting WARMER, dumbass?

It's not. It's getting cooler. So, done. You, 0. Me, 1.

On the other hand, let's say that 2013 ends up being hotter than 2012. That means that 2012 was *not* the hottest year on record, right? I mean, can you deny that? So it turns out that 2012 wasn't the hottest year, and 2013 was. And climate activists or whatever they want to call themselves this year will be all like, "Oh, see, this proves that the earth IS getting hotter."

But you know what that's really called? Of course you do, because you probably spend a lot of time debating dumb points in internet forums. It's called "moving the goal posts." It's like, "oh, 2012 is the hottest year EVAR. Everybody panic!" And then 2013 rolls around and you're like, "oh, 2013 is the hottest year EVAR. Everybody panic and forget what we said about 2012!" You mess up calling the hottest year on record, and so instead of saying, "wow, I was wrong, 2012 WASN'T the hottest year on record," you try to just pretend that you never said that at all. It's astounding chutzpah, really. But in the end, for all intensive purposes, it's completely dishonest. And dishonesty will never win you anything. You, 0, Me, 2.

Please. I implore you. Study what you're talking about before you post your next headline. There's enough misunderstanding a ...

Oh, snap

DesertDemonWY		2013-01-09 12:56:21 AM

Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Accelerating so fast that the GLOBE hasn't warmed at all in 16 years.

GAT_00		2013-01-09 01:08:29 AM

DesertDemonWY: Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Accelerating so fast that the GLOBE hasn't warmed at all in 16 years.

i575.photobucket.com

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom		2013-01-09 01:12:57 AM

It's a damn good thing we've been keeping records since the end of the last ice age, otherwise this would be completely out of context.

Darth_Lukecash		2013-01-09 01:28:31 AM

Triumph: All I want to know is how soon until I can plant grapefruit trees in my backyard?

Any time you want, just not sure thy would survive.

fusillade762		2013-01-09 01:36:38 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Triumph: All I want to know is how soon until I can plant grapefruit trees in my backyard?

Any time you want, just not sure thy would survive.

Grapefruit trees can kill you??

DesertDemonWY		2013-01-09 01:55:37 AM

GAT_00: DesertDemonWY: Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Accelerating so fast that the GLOBE hasn't warmed at all in 16 years.

[i575.photobucket.com image 500x341]

and by "realists" you mean liars and data manipulators?

let's have a look at the actual data:

www.woodfortrees.org

No
Warming
For
16
years
.

gilgigamesh		2013-01-09 01:57:47 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Triumph: All I want to know is how soon until I can plant grapefruit trees in my backyard?

Any time you want, just not sure thy would survive.

Methinks thou art overstating his investment in this grapefruit endeavour.

Pray 4 Mojo		2013-01-09 02:18:22 AM

We need a story that guns cause global warming...

so we can marry two awesome Fark pastimes in one thread.

TheManofPA		2013-01-09 02:38:44 AM

I wonder how many people aren't going to read PN's full thing.

Always think of this for these threads:
farm5.static.flickr.com

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer		2013-01-09 02:59:47 AM

DesertDemonWY: No
Warming
For
16
years

Psst.... here's something from the very same folks who provided many of the numbers misused in your chart (they generated all the ones that start with "had").

But... since you won't read it and likely couldn't understand it even if you bothered, I can summarize it.

The TLDR; says that you, David Rose, and the Daily Fail are full of hot air, so to speak. Personally I think you're all full of something else that's warm and steaming.

SnarfVader		2013-01-09 03:55:43 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: We need a story that guns cause global warming...

so we can marry two awesome Fark pastimes in one thread.

That one is easy. People buy guns to feel safer. That's also the reason people buy large SUVs. SUVs cause global warming. Therefore, people who want to feel safer cause global warming and, by extension, gun owners cause global warming. Tada!

L.D. Ablo		2013-01-09 04:00:34 AM

Move on down here to Yuma, Arizona.

You only had to run AC from around May through September.

These days, you'll get 100+ degree heat from April through November. Though I'd gladly pay the electric bills if it kept the snowbirds off the streets. Driving 10 MPH under the speed limit and coming to a stop at green lights is a thing down here.

starsrift		2013-01-09 04:24:01 AM

Pocket Ninja: ...But in the end, for all intensive purposes, it's completely dishonest...

You had to ruin it, didn't you? You just had to. :(

log_jammin		2013-01-09 04:24:27 AM

L.D. Ablo: and coming to a stop at green lights

eh?

HotWingAgenda		2013-01-09 04:28:28 AM

TheManofPA: I wonder how many people aren't going to read PN's full thing.

Always think of this for these threads:
[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x333]

The problem with this is that the global whaarrrrgarblers aren't creating a better world. They're sniping at the environmental programs that are based in actual science, to benefit the social cause of greenhouse gases. They don't give a flying fark about water pollution, coastal erosion, overfishing, or even rainforest deforestation for the most part, because it's just easier to biatch about carbon dioxide than to stop eating sushi or putting chemicals down stormdrains.

sendtodave		2013-01-09 04:31:28 AM

starsrift: Pocket Ninja: ...But in the end, for all intensive purposes, it's completely dishonest...

You had to ruin it, didn't you? You just had to. :(

Are the purposes more intensive than last year?

Psycat		2013-01-09 04:33:47 AM

When I was a kid, you could expect it to reach -20 F in the Twin Cities maybe 10-15 days per winter. Heck, it even reached -30 F in Saint Paul back in the mid-Eighties. Nowadays, it maybe goes below zero a handful of times each winter and early last March, it hit an astonishing 80 degrees, smashing the previous high temperature. I know beyond all doubt that the climate in Minnesota has changed in the last 30 years. I certainly don't mind the warm weather, but it's really starting to freak me out.

Let's hope this is just a random, transient climate change. If it's global warming, we're in for a shiatstorm of freaky climate change in the near future. I don't have any kids, so it doesn't matter much to me if the world goes to hell ten minutes after I'm buried, but you parents out there might want to take this seriously...

DrPainMD		2013-01-09 04:36:14 AM

Climate changes. Warmer, then colder, then warmer again. More CO2, less CO2, then more again. Been doing it for billions of years. The best conditions for life are warmer and CO2-rich. We're coming out of an ice age... what do you expect?

Psycat		2013-01-09 04:39:10 AM

Here's how to verify Global Warming. Go to Conservapedia and see what they have to say about it. Since Conservapedia is 180-degrees out of whack on everything from evolution to Einstein's relativity, just take what they have to sway about Global Warming and invert it to find the absolute truth...

HotWingAgenda		2013-01-09 04:39:49 AM

Psycat: I know beyond all doubt that the climate in Minnesota has changed in the last 30 years. I certainly don't mind the warm weather, but it's really starting to freak me out.

You get that weather and climate are two completely different things, right?

DrPainMD		2013-01-09 04:41:28 AM

TheManofPA: I wonder how many people aren't going to read PN's full thing.

Always think of this for these threads:

farm5.static.flickr.com

"What if it's a big hoax and we ~~create a better~~ bankrupt the world for nothing?"

FTFTC*

* - fixed that for the cartoonist.

log_jammin		2013-01-09 04:41:50 AM

Psycat: to Einstein's relativity,

that's the one that gets me the most. They are so crazy that they think physics theories can be liberal.

log_jammin		2013-01-09 04:42:35 AM

DrPainMD: The best conditions for life are warmer and CO2-rich.

If you are a tropical plant.

ChrisDe		2013-01-09 04:43:06 AM

Psycat: Here's how to verify Global Warming. Go to Conservapedia and see what they have to say about it. Since Conservapedia is 180-degrees out of whack on everything from evolution to Einstein's relativity, just take what they have to sway about Global Warming and invert it to find the absolute truth...

I'm still not sure if that site is serious or just trolling all of us.

Psycat		2013-01-09 04:43:40 AM

HotWingAgenda: Psycat: I know beyond all doubt that the climate in Minnesota has changed in the last 30 years. I certainly don't mind the warm weather, but it's really starting to freak me out.

You get that weather and climate are two completely different things, right?

Yes. I'm talking about 30 years, not 30 days.

dougfm		2013-01-09 04:44:22 AM

Pocket Ninja: There's enough misunderstanding and stupidity on here as it is, and it would behoof you to not be a part of it.

And it would behoove you to not share your ignorance in such detail.

gweilo8888		2013-01-09 04:46:14 AM

Pocket Ninja: But you know what that's really called? Of course you do, because you probably spend a lot of time debating dumb points in internet forums. It's called "moving the goal posts." It's like, "oh, 2012 is the hottest year EVAR. Everybody panic!" And then 2013 rolls around and you're like, "oh, 2013 is the hottest year EVAR. Everybody panic and forget what we said about 2012!" You mess up calling the hottest year on record, and so instead of saying, "wow, I was wrong, 2012 WASN'T the hottest year on record," you try to just pretend that you never said that at all. It's astounding chutzpah, really. But in the end, for all intensive purposes, it's completely dishonest. And dishonesty will never win you anything. You, 0, Me, 2.

Please. I implore you. Study what you're talking about before you post your next headline. There's enough misunderstanding a ...

Well played at the start, but the typos towards the end are too obvious. 6/10, not up to your normal efforts.

The All-Powerful Atheismo		2013-01-09 04:53:16 AM

DesertDemonWY: GAT_00: DesertDemonWY: Sgygus: Here's the thing with the Global Warming... it not merely going to get warmer, the pace of getting warmer is accelerating.

Accelerating so fast that the GLOBE hasn't warmed at all in 16 years.

[i575.photobucket.com image 500x341]

and by "realists" you mean liars and data manipulators?

let's have a look at the actual data:

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]

No
Warming
For
16
years
.

Why did you choose 16 years exactly?
Is it because it's a perfect square?
I also like perfect squares. I think I'm going to look at the last 25 years of data.
My god...

Psycat		2013-01-09 04:55:35 AM

log_jammin: Psycat: to Einstein's relativity,

that's the one that gets me the most. They are so crazy that they think physics theories can be liberal.

This is how their reasoning works. One of the bigger bugs up their butts is "moral relativity"; that is, the idea that morality might depend on the particular situation rather than having some sort of absolute, Bible-based moral system. Apparently, that's the ultimate moral failure of liberals. Never mind that conservatives themselves practice moral relativity--for example, the Biblical commandment against murder doesn't apply in military combat, execution of criminals, etc. And, in the very cramped minds of the idiots who write for the Conservapedia, relativity in the physics sense somehow translates into relativity in the moral sense. Teach E=MC^2 and suddenly cats are marrying dogs and kids are mainlining reefer while sodomizing each other. Yes, this is how these mental eunuchs really think...

log_jammin		2013-01-09 04:57:58 AM

Psycat: relativity in the physics sense somehow translates into relativity in the moral sense.

ah...

Psycat		2013-01-09 04:59:54 AM

ChrisDe: Psycat: Here's how to verify Global Warming. Go to Conservapedia and see what they have to say about it. Since Conservapedia is 180-degrees out of whack on everything from evolution to Einstein's relativity, just take what they have to sway about Global Warming and invert it to find the absolute truth...

I'm still not sure if that site is serious or just trolling all of us.

Having spent a few years of my childhood in close proximity of Southern Baptists, I'm afraid these folks are real. I can't read Conservapedia for more than 10 minutes without getting a serious headache. Seriously, there should be a picture of Einstein pointing to the number 70 and saying "Your IQ must be lower than this to enter."

Ilmarinen		2013-01-09 05:00:27 AM

dougfm: Pocket Ninja: There's enough misunderstanding and stupidity on here as it is, and it would behoof you to not be a part of it.

And it would behoove you to not share your ignorance in such detail.

There's always at least one, isn't there?

It's pronounced pacKAGE		2013-01-09 05:00:57 AM

believe the hype		2013-01-09 05:04:05 AM

Pocket Ninja:
*long, pointless, unprovoked argument*
But you know what that's really called? Of course you do, because you probably spend a lot of time debating dumb points in internet forums.

*/long, pointless, unprovoked argument*

well, you sure showed him.

log_jammin		2013-01-09 05:05:10 AM

ChrisDe: I'm still not sure if that site is serious or just trolling all of us.

oh it's very very real.

Uchiha_Cycliste		2013-01-09 05:05:54 AM

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: DesertDemonWY: No
Warming
For
16
years

Psst.... here's something from the very same folks who provided many of the numbers misused in your chart (they generated all the ones that start with "had").

But... since you won't read it and likely couldn't understand it even if you bothered, I can summarize it.

The TLDR; says that you, David Rose, and the Daily Fail are full of hot air, so to speak. Personally I think you're all full of something else that's warm and steaming.

is it shiat?
I think it shiat.

Psycat		2013-01-09 05:06:39 AM

It's pronounced pacKAGE: Psycat: Here's how to verify Global Warming. Go to Conservapedia and see what they have to say about it. Since Conservapedia is 180-degrees out of whack on everything from evolution to Einstein's relativity, just take what they have to sway about Global Warming and invert it to find the absolute truth...

Let me guess, relativity is just a "theory?"

No doubt. On the other hand, it's been proven to a zillion decimal places that atheism invariably leads to homosexuality, obesity, and mass murder. Also, one puff of demon weed will turn you into an axe-murdering heroin addict while Oxycontin and other drugs made by the drug industry for conservatives to drug themselves aren't really* drugs...

*Unless you buy them from some black kid on the street. Then they're as murderous as the Devil's Weed...

log_jammin		2013-01-09 05:08:04 AM

It's pronounced pacKAGE: Let me guess, relativity is just a "theory?"

Some liberal politicians have extrapolated the theory of relativity to metaphorically justify their own political agendas. For example, Democratic President Barack Obama helped publish an article by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe to apply the relativistic concept of "curvature of space" to promote a broad legal right to abortion.[64]

Smirky the Wonder Chimp		2013-01-09 05:08:38 AM

It's pronounced pacKAGE: Psycat: Here's how to verify Global Warming. Go to Conservapedia and see what they have to say about it. Since Conservapedia is 180-degrees out of whack on everything from evolution to Einstein's relativity, just take what they have to sway about Global Warming and invert it to find the absolute truth...

Let me guess, relativity is just a "theory?"

Nope. Shaftfly believes General and Special Relativity beget moral relativity and liberalism. He's written reams and reams of "proofs" demonstrating (for a certain value of the word) that the Theory of Relativity is completely useless to science and engineering and leads to moral and ethical decay.

Somehow the man actually has a B.S.E. in electrical engineering. Thinking about that for too long will give you a migraine.

CountryClubRepublican		2013-01-09 05:09:19 AM

Busted

Psycat		2013-01-09 05:12:19 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: It's pronounced pacKAGE: Psycat: Here's how to verify Global Warming. Go to Conservapedia and see what they have to say about it. Since Conservapedia is 180-degrees out of whack on everything from evolution to Einstein's relativity, just take what they have to sway about Global Warming and invert it to find the absolute truth...

Let me guess, relativity is just a "theory?"

Nope. Shaftfly believes General and Special Relativity beget moral relativity and liberalism. He's written reams and reams of "proofs" demonstrating (for a certain value of the word) that the Theory of Relativity is completely useless to science and engineering and leads to moral and ethical decay.

Somehow the man actually has a B.S.E. in electrical engineering. Thinking about that for too long will give you a migraine.

Really? Mark Schafted has an engineering degree? What a waste of sheepskin. Seriously, he should get together with the Time Cube Guy--they might get bulk-rate discounts on their tinfoil...