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(Sun Sentinel)   After lying to reporters in 2006 about the Alabama job while still coaching the Dolphins, Nick Saban is shocked that nobody believes that he's not interested in coaching the Browns. He also sums up his job as NFL coach: "...we sort of messed it up"   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 70
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2013-01-08 09:04:33 PM
Why leave? He's getting paid NFL money and short of going full Paterno, he owns that school
 
2013-01-08 09:13:12 PM
Saban didn't sound peaceful in having to address the issue again. His emphatic assertion that he intends to remain at Alabama sounded very similar to the one he delivered about remaining with the Dolphins - just before he jumped ship and high-tailed it to Alabama.

So people think that him saying he doesn't want to leave a place where he's won three of the last four national championships and doesn't show any signs of a downturn, is exactly the same as trying to deliver the coachspeak line amid a sinking ship in a league where he came to realize he was completely in over his head?

It was pretty clear Miami was a bad decision. Tuscaloosa has already built him a statue and if he keeps this up they'll cross Bryant's name off the stadium and put his on it. All he has to do is make sure his program doesn't cover for any kiddie diddlers and he's set for life.
 
2013-01-08 09:15:47 PM
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2013-01-08 09:18:26 PM
For Saban, any NFL head coaching job would be a demotion.
 
2013-01-08 09:29:55 PM
Right now, he is 100% in charge of personnel decisions and gets 5-6 first round draft pick equivalents each year. In the NFL, he would be coaching people picked by somebody else and the talent level would force him to play on equal footing with everyone else in the country. Why would he want that?

/Fark Alabama
//They're the Kentucky of football
 
2013-01-08 09:30:48 PM
The man has a fairly large ego but still came out and basically admitted he can't cut it in the NFL. That should be all the proof you need that he's not going back, at least not anytime soon.
 
2013-01-08 09:39:28 PM
i306.photobucket.com

Fark him!
/Dolphins fan
 
2013-01-08 10:17:16 PM
"And it was very difficult for me. Because there is a lot of parity in the NFL. There's a lot of rules in the NFL."

I like how he himself basically admits he can't cut it on an equal playing field.
 
2013-01-08 10:19:55 PM
I think I'd rather they hire the CFL coach they just interviewed. At least he'd bring something different to the table...

/...like punting on 3rd down...
 
2013-01-08 10:21:40 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Why leave? He's getting paid NFL money and short of going full Paterno, he owns that school


The only reason to leave is if he values program building over program maintenance. As in once the Death Star is up and running, it isn't as fun for him. Although if that is the case he could always just hop over to USC after the sanctions are up and Kiffin finishes farking stuff up.
 
2013-01-08 10:21:44 PM

rcf1105: I like how he himself basically admits he can't cut it on an equal playing field.


Even better - In the NFL, "You've got to have a quarterback". Heaven forbid you have anything other than defense and a running game.
 
2013-01-08 10:29:15 PM

ha-ha-guy: Peter von Nostrand: Why leave? He's getting paid NFL money and short of going full Paterno, he owns that school

The only reason to leave is if he values program building over program maintenance. As in once the Death Star is up and running, it isn't as fun for him. Although if that is the case he could always just hop over to USC after the sanctions are up and Kiffin finishes farking stuff up.


Good point. Of course if one is of the SEC mindset that it's the best, hardest to play in conference you can always say it's harder to keep up winning year in and year out there than other conference
 
2013-01-08 10:32:14 PM

Peter von Nostrand: ha-ha-guy: Peter von Nostrand: Why leave? He's getting paid NFL money and short of going full Paterno, he owns that school

The only reason to leave is if he values program building over program maintenance. As in once the Death Star is up and running, it isn't as fun for him. Although if that is the case he could always just hop over to USC after the sanctions are up and Kiffin finishes farking stuff up.

Good point. Of course if one is of the SEC mindset that it's the best, hardest to play in conference you can always say it's harder to keep up winning year in and year out there than other conference


Yeah, actually as I think about it, Texas once Mack Brown retires would be a pretty awesome gig. Assuming of course the B12 is one of the conferences with an autoseed into the new playoffs. You figure out how to beat Bob Stoops, maybe worry about OSU when they have a good team, and beyond that, life is easy and Texas is talent rich.
 
2013-01-08 10:38:25 PM

rcf1105: "And it was very difficult for me. Because there is a lot of parity in the NFL. There's a lot of rules in the NFL."

I like how he himself basically admits he can't cut it on an equal playing field.


Hate Saban. But if you are a good recruiter you create the uneven playing field... He is a great recruiter, that is more of what i get from all this.
 
2013-01-08 10:46:46 PM

p the boiler: Hate Saban. But if you are a good recruiter you create the uneven playing field... He is a great recruiter, that is more of what i get from all this.


Saban is a good recruiter but he's a genius at manipulating NCAA rules to suit his roster management goals. He does this better than anyone else in the game. The only real danger for him is that others will start copying his methods or the rules will be changed and he won't be able to find suitable new ways to gain an advantage within the rules.

/Helps that he's also good at the Xs and Os plus appears to be an overall competent manager
 
2013-01-08 10:55:39 PM
No good reason to leave. For now, at least. Before he hangs it up, I could see him coaching another SEC school.
 
2013-01-08 10:56:19 PM
I have no feelings on the school Alabama. In fact, good for the school that they won their 60th championship or whatever. But as a Dolphins fan, I can NEVER root for Saban. Fark that guy.

It would be awesome if he went and coached the JETS.
 
2013-01-08 11:01:40 PM

Shaggy_C: Right now, he is 100% in charge of personnel decisions and gets 5-6 first round draft pick equivalents each year. In the NFL, he would be coaching people picked by somebody else and the talent level would force him to play on equal footing with everyone else in the country. Why would he want that?

/Fark Alabama
//They're the Kentucky of football


That has to be a funny conversation between Kentucky and Alabama alums.
 
2013-01-08 11:01:54 PM
Why would he leave?

He's currently leading the closest thing we have to a dynasty in American sports, the better he does the better he looks to recruits (instead of the inverse in NFL with drafts), he makes bank, is a god in the community. What's the downside to staying in the NCAA?

One day there will be a time when the NCAA hammer will be ready to come down on Bama, and that's the time when he'll bolt back to the NFL.
 
2013-01-08 11:02:43 PM
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2013-01-08 11:02:48 PM

rcf1105: "And it was very difficult for me. Because there is a lot of parity in the NFL. There's a lot of rules in the NFL."

I like how he himself basically admits he can't cut it on an equal playing field.


Pretty much; he likes stacking the deck against his opponents.
 
2013-01-08 11:04:46 PM

Wettner: I have no feelings on the school Alabama. In fact, good for the school that they won their 60th championship or whatever. But as a Dolphins fan, I can NEVER root for Saban. Fark that guy.

It would be awesome if he went and coached the JETS.


Funny as it sounds; Saban would be a downgrade from Rex Ryan. At least Ryan can coach in the NFL.
 
2013-01-08 11:07:59 PM

IlGreven: I think I'd rather they hire the CFL coach they just interviewed. At least he'd bring something different to the table...

/...like punting on 3rd down...


Don't knock Trestman he's a hell of a coach. Good track record in the nfl as well. Paticularly with quarterbacks.
 
2013-01-08 11:10:35 PM

Rwa2play: rcf1105: "And it was very difficult for me. Because there is a lot of parity in the NFL. There's a lot of rules in the NFL."

I like how he himself basically admits he can't cut it on an equal playing field.

Pretty much; he likes stacking the deck against his opponents.


What would impress me would be if he left Alabama and rebuilt or built a program into a powerhouse. Almost every D1 coach could have success at bama. Go make Alabama State a good program, THAT would be impressive.
 
2013-01-08 11:10:44 PM
It seems like he is coaching in the NFL sometimes...

Link
 
2013-01-08 11:15:06 PM

robsul82: [cdn.bleacherreport.net image 244x400]


I was excited when Culpepper came to Miami. Didn't last long.
 
2013-01-08 11:15:15 PM
Didn't he go 9-7 with Gus Frerotte? Can't be that bad of a pro coach. People who say he can't hack it sound like the ones who didn't think Pete Carroll was worth a damn in the pros, either.
 
2013-01-08 11:17:10 PM

Wettner: I have no feelings on the school Alabama. In fact, good for the school that they won their 60th championship or whatever. But as a Dolphins fan, I can NEVER root for Saban. Fark that guy.


This.
 
2013-01-08 11:23:22 PM

EvilMonkeyBoy: Didn't he go 9-7 with Gus Frerotte? Can't be that bad of a pro coach. People who say he can't hack it sound like the ones who didn't think Pete Carroll was worth a damn in the pros, either.


Won more games in either of his seasons than the season before him and after him combined. People tend to forget that NFL teams can only bring in new blood so quickly.
 
2013-01-08 11:30:13 PM

p the boiler: But if you are a good recruiter you create the uneven playing field


Precisely. It's not as if Alabama had been doing great for quite awhile before he arrived. He's not the passive recipient of giant advantages - he created them. And as a college coach he's the equivalent of the relatively few NFL guys that have been both coach and GM, and no one in the NFL is going to give that power to him, at least not right away.
 
2013-01-08 11:37:27 PM

flak attack: EvilMonkeyBoy: Didn't he go 9-7 with Gus Frerotte? Can't be that bad of a pro coach. People who say he can't hack it sound like the ones who didn't think Pete Carroll was worth a damn in the pros, either.

Won more games in either of his seasons than the season before him and after him combined. People tend to forget that NFL teams can only bring in new blood so quickly.


The problems with the Dolphins were far more systemic and institutional than the coach and the quarterback. When Parcells took over the team in 2008, ESPN threw up some graphic in a pre-season game that said something to the effect of, "Of the Dolphins players drafted between 2000 and 2006, only five were on the roster at the start of training camp."

The ownership of Huizenga and more recently Ross has been the biggest obstacle for the franchise. Ross cares more about what celebrities are minority partners, and Huizenga has been a cancer on just about everything he's owned.
 
2013-01-08 11:37:53 PM

iron_city_ap: Almost every D1 coach could have success at bama.


Like Mike Shula, Mike Price (lol), Coach Fran, Mike DuBose? None of those guys did particularly great. One conference championship under DuBose and then bupkis until Saban.
 
2013-01-08 11:38:38 PM

iron_city_ap: Rwa2play: rcf1105: "And it was very difficult for me. Because there is a lot of parity in the NFL. There's a lot of rules in the NFL."

I like how he himself basically admits he can't cut it on an equal playing field.

Pretty much; he likes stacking the deck against his opponents.

What would impress me would be if he left Alabama and rebuilt or built a program into a powerhouse. Almost every D1 coach could have success at bama. Go make Alabama State a good program, THAT would be impressive.


Well....not really. Look at all the coaches bet. Stallings and Saban. Not exactly rich with glory. there.

I'll say this: Oregon v. Alabama for the NC next season. THAT would be a matchup I'd be interested in watching.
 
2013-01-08 11:54:05 PM

BigJake: Like Mike Shula, Mike Price (lol), Coach Fran, Mike DuBose? None of those guys did particularly great.


Well, keep in mind that around that time Alabama was also under NCAA sanctions.
 
2013-01-08 11:57:19 PM

4NSpy: Why would he leave?

He's currently leading the closest thing we have to a dynasty in American sports, the better he does the better he looks to recruits (instead of the inverse in NFL with drafts), he makes bank, is a god in the community. What's the downside to staying in the NCAA?

One day there will be a time when the NCAA hammer will be ready to come down on Bama, and that's the time when he'll bolt back to the NFL.


If the NCAA is unwilling to bring the hammer down on what has gone on at unc, I highly doubt it will mess with one of it's other cash cows, Alabama...I could see them messing with Kentucky, because they don't like Cal, but even there I doubt anything happens.
 
2013-01-08 11:58:59 PM

UNC_Samurai: flak attack: EvilMonkeyBoy: Didn't he go 9-7 with Gus Frerotte? Can't be that bad of a pro coach. People who say he can't hack it sound like the ones who didn't think Pete Carroll was worth a damn in the pros, either.

Won more games in either of his seasons than the season before him and after him combined. People tend to forget that NFL teams can only bring in new blood so quickly.

The problems with the Dolphins were far more systemic and institutional than the coach and the quarterback. When Parcells took over the team in 2008, ESPN threw up some graphic in a pre-season game that said something to the effect of, "Of the Dolphins players drafted between 2000 and 2006, only five were on the roster at the start of training camp."

The ownership of Huizenga and more recently Ross has been the biggest obstacle for the franchise. Ross cares more about what celebrities are minority partners, and Huizenga has been a cancer on just about everything he's owned.


Huizenga had a 1997 WS Championship and a Panthers Stanley Cup Finals appearance.

Both within a couple of years of each other.

I would blame Ace Ventura for the Dolphins misfortunes.
 
2013-01-09 12:04:24 AM

EngineerAU: p the boiler: Hate Saban. But if you are a good recruiter you create the uneven playing field... He is a great recruiter, that is more of what i get from all this.

Saban is a good recruiter but he's a genius at manipulating NCAA rules to suit his roster management goals. He does this better than anyone else in the game. The only real danger for him is that others will start copying his methods or the rules will be changed and he won't be able to find suitable new ways to gain an advantage within the rules.

/Helps that he's also good at the Xs and Os plus appears to be an overall competent manager


How does he manipulate the rules?
 
2013-01-09 12:10:30 AM

rcf1105: Well, keep in mind that around that time Alabama was also under NCAA sanctions.


Sanctions imposed by trying to get a leg up by big-time cheating. Which you wouldn't need to do much of if you were a naturally dominant program.

People used to say anyone could be successful at Notre Dame, and that's not true either.
 
2013-01-09 12:11:24 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: How does he manipulate the rules?


oversigning
 
2013-01-09 12:31:43 AM

Shaggy_C: rcf1105: I like how he himself basically admits he can't cut it on an equal playing field.

Even better - In the NFL, "You've got to have a quarterback". Heaven forbid you have anything other than defense and a running game.


Worked for the Ravens
 
2013-01-09 12:36:40 AM

fatalvenom: UNC_Samurai: flak attack: EvilMonkeyBoy: Didn't he go 9-7 with Gus Frerotte? Can't be that bad of a pro coach. People who say he can't hack it sound like the ones who didn't think Pete Carroll was worth a damn in the pros, either.

Won more games in either of his seasons than the season before him and after him combined. People tend to forget that NFL teams can only bring in new blood so quickly.

The problems with the Dolphins were far more systemic and institutional than the coach and the quarterback. When Parcells took over the team in 2008, ESPN threw up some graphic in a pre-season game that said something to the effect of, "Of the Dolphins players drafted between 2000 and 2006, only five were on the roster at the start of training camp."

The ownership of Huizenga and more recently Ross has been the biggest obstacle for the franchise. Ross cares more about what celebrities are minority partners, and Huizenga has been a cancer on just about everything he's owned.

Huizenga had a 1997 WS Championship and a Panthers Stanley Cup Finals appearance.

Both within a couple of years of each other.

I would blame Ace Ventura for the Dolphins misfortunes.


And how did the Marlins do the next year?

They went from 92-70, to losing 108 games. Because Huizenga completely stripped the team and sold off the parts, because he claims they lost money the season they won the Series. The man is the embodiment of everything wrong with big business today - Maximize Your Next Quarterly Earnings Report At The Expense Of Whatever You Have To. And he brought that poisonous philosophy with him to sports ownership.
 
2013-01-09 01:02:34 AM

UNC_Samurai: fatalvenom: UNC_Samurai: flak attack: EvilMonkeyBoy: Didn't he go 9-7 with Gus Frerotte? Can't be that bad of a pro coach. People who say he can't hack it sound like the ones who didn't think Pete Carroll was worth a damn in the pros, either.

Won more games in either of his seasons than the season before him and after him combined. People tend to forget that NFL teams can only bring in new blood so quickly.

The problems with the Dolphins were far more systemic and institutional than the coach and the quarterback. When Parcells took over the team in 2008, ESPN threw up some graphic in a pre-season game that said something to the effect of, "Of the Dolphins players drafted between 2000 and 2006, only five were on the roster at the start of training camp."

The ownership of Huizenga and more recently Ross has been the biggest obstacle for the franchise. Ross cares more about what celebrities are minority partners, and Huizenga has been a cancer on just about everything he's owned.

Huizenga had a 1997 WS Championship and a Panthers Stanley Cup Finals appearance.

Both within a couple of years of each other.

I would blame Ace Ventura for the Dolphins misfortunes.

And how did the Marlins do the next year?

They went from 92-70, to losing 108 games. Because Huizenga completely stripped the team and sold off the parts, because he claims they lost money the season they won the Series. The man is the embodiment of everything wrong with big business today - Maximize Your Next Quarterly Earnings Report At The Expense Of Whatever You Have To. And he brought that poisonous philosophy with him to sports ownership.


Wayne is a dickhead, not quite Roy Williams level of dickhead, but close...
 
2013-01-09 01:41:52 AM
He could become the next coach for the New England Patriots. If the Patriots win the Super Bowl this season, Belichick will go full Bill Walsh and retire.
 
2013-01-09 04:50:54 AM

IlGreven: I think I'd rather they hire the CFL coach they just interviewed. At least he'd bring something different to the table...

/...like punting on 3rd down...


I'm pretty sure Marv Levy was involved with mentoring him, so it might not be all bad. If you're lucky they can lose a few Super Bowls in a row or something.
 
2013-01-09 06:32:37 AM
Kind of funny how Lil Nicky's players come in as average sized Freshman and within a year have arms bigger than the other teams player's heads. They don't do roid testing as strict in the NCAA as they do in the NFL so I'm assuming that's why he will stay.
 
2013-01-09 06:43:04 AM
Short of getting another BCS championship, Saban isn't going anywhere, and maybe not even if he did. I think Nick Saban wants to be remembered as not only the best coach ever at Alabama, but the greatest college football coach ever. Plus he's making NFL money at Alabama, gets pretty much any recruit he wants, the man has it made! There simply is no reason for him to ever entertain leaving 'Bama. Ever.
 
2013-01-09 06:58:18 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: How does he manipulate the rules?


BigJake: oversigning


Yep.  It's allowed by the NCAA so they can claim Alabama is on the up-and-up, but you have to be a Wall Street sociopath to defend the practice.  The program writes letters to recruits that LOOK like offers but they're non-binding. . . the two keys are that the NCAA imposes no limits on how many of these letters you write (they're non-binding, after all), and students & parents don't know the difference between a (non-binding) letter and a formal offer.  Technically he can get the entire HS senior class in the country to commit to Alabama as long as he doesn't offer scholarships, though he doesn't need nearly that many -- just enough to cover his bets.  So the students commit to Alabama, meaning they've told Saban they won't go anywhere else, but it's a one-sided promise.  Saban will pick and choose among the recruits and as he gets more info on them, only make offers to the ones he likes.  It's so deceptive that some kids have shown up on signing day wearing Alabama swag only to say they're going somewhere else with stunned looks on their faces.  In worst cases the kids have to skip college for a year, which may not affect their eligibility but wreaks havoc on family plans.  Saban doesn't give a shiat.

Another Alabama tactic is one-year scholarships.  Even AFTER you've received a formal offer, if you don't perform up to your hype Alabama will cut you, NFL style, by simply not offering you next year's scholarship.  Again, this completely dismisses the notion that these are kids going to college, many who know they're not going to the NFL and basically play ball because it's a fun way to earn free tuition they can't afford otherwise.  Losing the scholarship means they have to completely re-evaluate their non-football plans, albeit with less student loan debt than most.  But it's a terrifying experience all the same.  Again, Saban doesn't give a shiat.

Nick Saban is as ethical as a lawyer or fund manager.  He follows the rules, yeah, but there is no integrity to it.  Just cold calculation.  These kids are nothing more than sacrifices to feed his ego, and the proof is in the ways he circumvents the rules to gain an advantage.  I do pick on Saban here but frankly the rumors are that these practices are rampant in the Bible Belt.  That doesn't make it OK, though.  Michigan got stomped by Alabama this year, and one reason is because they offer four-year scholarships.  One player had to retire from football completely due to a medical condition, but he got to keep his scholarship.
 
2013-01-09 07:10:27 AM

EvilMonkeyBoy: Didn't he go 9-7 with Gus Frerotte? Can't be that bad of a pro coach. People who say he can't hack it sound like the ones who didn't think Pete Carroll was worth a damn in the pros, either.


Saban was a disaster in Miami. The only half-decent draft pick he ever had was Ronnie Brown, whom he spent the second overall pick on. I loved Ronnie, but, even when healthy, he was never half as good as Ricky, and certainly not worthy of a Top 5 pick. Saban also completely ruined our defensive personnel.

Remember it was basically Saban's team that Cam-Cam went 1-15 with. He went 9-7 with Johnson-Wannstedt personnel.

One of the things that always amused me was that I believe Jimmy Johnson players outlasted Nick Saban players on the Fins' roster once Jason Allen was shipped off (leaving Jason Taylor), despite the Johnson players all being 167 years old.

Great college coach. Terrible evaluator of NFL talent.
 
2013-01-09 07:47:47 AM

dragonchild: HideAndGoFarkYourself: How does he manipulate the rules?

BigJake: oversigning

Yep.  It's allowed by the NCAA so they can claim Alabama is on the up-and-up, but you have to be a Wall Street sociopath to defend the practice.  The program writes letters to recruits that LOOK like offers but they're non-binding. . . the two keys are that the NCAA imposes no limits on how many of these letters you write (they're non-binding, after all), and students & parents don't know the difference between a (non-binding) letter and a formal offer.  Technically he can get the entire HS senior class in the country to commit to Alabama as long as he doesn't offer scholarships, though he doesn't need nearly that many -- just enough to cover his bets.  So the students commit to Alabama, meaning they've told Saban they won't go anywhere else, but it's a one-sided promise.  Saban will pick and choose among the recruits and as he gets more info on them, only make offers to the ones he likes.  It's so deceptive that some kids have shown up on signing day wearing Alabama swag only to say they're going somewhere else with stunned looks on their faces.  In worst cases the kids have to skip college for a year, which may not affect their eligibility but wreaks havoc on family plans.  Saban doesn't give a shiat.

Another Alabama tactic is one-year scholarships.  Even AFTER you've received a formal offer, if you don't perform up to your hype Alabama will cut you, NFL style, by simply not offering you next year's scholarship.  Again, this completely dismisses the notion that these are kids going to college, many who know they're not going to the NFL and basically play ball because it's a fun way to earn free tuition they can't afford otherwise.  Losing the scholarship means they have to completely re-evaluate their non-football plans, albeit with less student loan debt than most.  But it's a terrifying experience all the same.  Again, Saban doesn't give a shiat.

Nick Saban is as ethical as a lawyer or fund manager.  He follows the rules, yeah, but there is no integrity to it.  Just cold calculation.  These kids are nothing more than sacrifices to feed his ego, and the proof is in the ways he circumvents the rules to gain an advantage.  I do pick on Saban here but frankly the rumors are that these practices are rampant in the Bible Belt.  That doesn't make it OK, though.  Michigan got stomped by Alabama this year, and one reason is because they offer four-year scholarships.  One player had to retire from football completely due to a medical condition, but he got to keep his scholarship.


I thought every school did the one-year scholarship as standard practice.
 
2013-01-09 07:56:30 AM

UNC_Samurai: I thought every school did the one-year scholarship as standard practice.


Yeah, Michigan is more the exception than Alabama being exceptionally scummy, but scummy is scummy.  Bear in mind we're not talking about the scholarships being withdrawn due to academics, rule violations or lack of effort, which even Michigan will do.  But while Michigan is unusual in this regard, most schools using one-year scholarships aren't actively looking to drop the second- and third-stringers on their roster.  They want the option but they're not eager to use it, and generally count the number of available scholarships based on the number of outgoing seniors and transfers.  Alabama will pull your scholarship if you're simply not as physically talented as they thought, so they can turn around and give it to the next incoming recruit.
 
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