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(Bloomberg)   Justified: Texas cut taxes, spending, ends up with $8 billion surplus   (bloomberg.com) divider line 53
    More: Obvious, Budget Day, Texas, Comptroller Susan Combs, per capita incomes, Texas Public Policy Foundation, accounting software, senior managing director, Center for Public Policy Priorities  
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2013-01-08 03:08:44 PM  
19 votes:
At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.
2013-01-08 03:26:10 PM  
13 votes:
Subby, your headline is, at best, incorrect or, at worse, an outright lie.

The given article makes no mention of Texas cutting taxes. The article only describes Texas cutting spending, primarily in education. The increased revenue from taxes on sales and energy lead to the surplus.

/Typical GOP two-step headlines.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 04:45:55 PM  
11 votes:
If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.
2013-01-08 04:50:05 PM  
8 votes:
What they should do: Teach their dumbass children something other than football and cheerleading.
What they will do: A big farking fence.
2013-01-08 03:22:50 PM  
7 votes:
Isn't sales tax a tax?

(albeit one that disproportionally hits the less well-off, so that's alright then.  Just like the payroll tax.  fark republicans)
2013-01-08 04:22:50 PM  
6 votes:
Wonder if the Federal Government an get back all those educational grants we sent them when they ahd a fiscal emergency and a 6 billion deficit and begged the federal government to fill that hole?

No?

and how does this justify tax cuts anyway?  Would those companies somehow NOT have drilled for oil and Gas in texas and relocated thier drilling operations ovverseas if the taxes hadn;t gone down?

this is a boom fueled by fossil fuel prices not sound economic planning
2013-01-08 03:19:39 PM  
6 votes:
Didn't texas take a huge bailout for education from the federal government and just throw it at their deficit?
2013-01-08 05:13:58 PM  
5 votes:
Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.
2013-01-08 04:58:32 PM  
5 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html


You can thank the 'No Child Left Behind' concept. These days, Texas kids are taught to pass tests, not critical thinking or to question or explore. They're taught solely to pass the tests, often with help from their teachers. The educators simply can't afford to have failing students due to how NCLB cuts funding for 'badly performing' schools.
2013-01-08 04:34:20 PM  
5 votes:

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


Actually California is first with ESL students.  link
2013-01-08 03:16:12 PM  
5 votes:
FTA: The Texas economy has topped budget projections over the past 15 months, as booming energy output fueled job growth and an 11 percent fiscal first-quarter gain in sales-tax receipts, the biggest source of general-fund revenue.
2013-01-08 04:52:37 PM  
4 votes:

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html
2013-01-08 05:08:17 PM  
3 votes:
The eight billion dollar Texas budget surplus is a big fat lie!

All they actually did last session is authorize departments for 4 years but only approve the budget for 2 years. This is like "saving" half your weekly grocery budget by only purchasing 3 days worth of food. You didn't really save anything, its just a little trick you played to make yourself feel smart.
2013-01-08 04:57:24 PM  
3 votes:

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


THIS

Also: Texas is also very good at getting Federal funding for almost everything. Easy to run a surplus when big government gives you money for everything. Texas is most often the answer to "where does the Pork barrel spending go".

Try cutting federal dollars spent, then report back.
2013-01-08 04:55:33 PM  
3 votes:
By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.
2013-01-08 04:55:05 PM  
3 votes:

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


Build toll roads for Rick Perry's friends to operate.
2013-01-08 03:17:31 PM  
3 votes:
But it's still Texas
2013-01-08 05:56:35 PM  
2 votes:

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


45th in the nation on spending to get 12th in the nation on education results... that sounds like good value to me.

Ignorant and dependent, just like the Democrat's like 'em...
2013-01-08 05:19:06 PM  
2 votes:

MJMaloney187: Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.


You're a crabby old bastard. Why should our kids learn about the world and people in it? Lathe-turning's all my kids will ever need to do, by Gawd.
2013-01-08 05:08:31 PM  
2 votes:
Meanwhile the counties in the Eagle Ford field are getting their roads pounded to crap from the massive increase in trucking traffic. Frack rigs are everywhere, and they tear the bejesus out of those small county roads. The state won't pay for the damage, so the counties are stuck with the bill.
2013-01-08 05:03:57 PM  
2 votes:
You would think the Texas Legislature might move some of this money back into the education fund they cut the shiat out of last time around, but more likely they'll find away to funnel all of it to Rick Perry's friends and cohorts, then insist on cutting another $5 billion out of education and spending most of their time throwing tantrums about Planned Parenthood.

The government in this state makes me want to beat the shiat out of something.
2013-01-08 04:58:25 PM  
2 votes:

Brick-House: Hey Obama, you should be taking notes!


You're coming out in favor of a national sales tax, then?
2013-01-08 04:56:49 PM  
2 votes:
Remember they also cut wild fire preparedness and then complained that Obama was letting them burn when the fed didn't swing in and pay for everything.

After praying didn't help of course.
2013-01-08 04:49:29 PM  
2 votes:

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


Which is why Texas cut education funding?
2013-01-08 04:24:14 PM  
2 votes:

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.
2013-01-08 07:48:40 PM  
1 votes:
Texas has a surplus.  Most of the other states in the country are bankrupting themselves.  Federally we are bankrupting ourselves.

Farkers response?  Learn what Texas is doing and try to copy them?  Nope.  Bash them.


Farking geniuses.  All over this thread.
2013-01-08 07:30:03 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html

You can thank the 'No Child Left Behind' concept. These days, Texas kids are taught to pass tests, not critical thinking or to question or explore. They're taught solely to pass the tests, often with help from their teachers. The educators simply can't afford to have failing students due to how NCLB cuts funding for 'badly performing' schools.


This happens all over the country thanks to that insanely stupid law.

I am constantly shocked by what the teachers in my family tell me. No one actually knows anything. They just send them off to the next level.
2013-01-08 06:16:32 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush:

BTW most economic booms are fueled by something be oil, gold, financial services etc. To bad California, which ranks third in the nation in oil reserves cannot figure out a way to have a similar economic boom. Texas' two year budget surplus is about 4 times California's current deficit.


That's because Californians are familiar with the concept of "what happens next?"
We don't tear the earth up as much as we used to to get at what's underneath because "what happens next" is the water and air get farked up for generations.
Many places and people in Texas just don't give a sh*t, because they think what they dig or suck up will never run out, there will never be any consequences like flammable tapwater or flooding or poisoned wells or sinkholes, and that gawd will put it all back anyway.
2013-01-08 06:08:12 PM  
1 votes:
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Justified and ancient.
2013-01-08 06:00:46 PM  
1 votes:

russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.


And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers
2013-01-08 05:53:47 PM  
1 votes:
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"Oh, sh*t, it's a piggy bank!"
2013-01-08 05:51:21 PM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?

Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes? You can actually afford to have one parent stay home and engage their children, or afford private school versus having two parents slaving away at work just to pay the property tax bills. Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.


As a percentage of home values our property taxes are some of the highest in the country because we don't have income tax. This fact artificially raises rent prices while simultaneously holding down home prices. This was a good thing during the housing crisis because our home values didn't become as inflated. We still lost value but it wasn't as large of a bubble.

Unfortunately the high rents disproportionately place the burden of taxes on lower income people because the landlord passes those costs on to them.

The really sad part is that when you add up all these hidden taxes, the real tax rate in Texas is inline with pretty much everywhere else and we have very little to show for it.
2013-01-08 05:43:02 PM  
1 votes:

studs up: Mike Chewbacca: draypresct: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.

I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.

I hope you had some words with that dumbass priest.

In Latin


Call me lazy, but I did not go to the priest with charts showing death rates (including deaths from murder, disease, etc.) dropping drastically over the centuries along with reports of how sanitation has been handled at different periods of history. It didn't seem likely that I'd make much headway.

Instead, I showed the charts to my son. Then I showed them to a couple of friends, who showed them to their kids in the same class.

/Yes, my friends are used to this sort of thing from me. I overheard one guy using the murder chart to start talking about the history of modern policing with his son.
2013-01-08 05:39:33 PM  
1 votes:
Also justified:

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/and ancient
//doesn't want to rule the land
2013-01-08 05:27:26 PM  
1 votes:

MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.


I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.
2013-01-08 05:20:51 PM  
1 votes:
if I went without heat or food ,told my landlord I wasn't paying rent until next year and didn't buy any new clothes for a decade yeah I imagine I would have some extra money left over at the end of the year too.
2013-01-08 05:15:45 PM  
1 votes:
As an Albertan, let me assure you that when your economy is centered around oil and gas it's pretty tough to not be flush with money.
2013-01-08 05:15:05 PM  
1 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html


You better take another look at that slide show source. It uses a counting method that even someone educated in Texas would see through. There are a bunch of schools tied for 15th and a bunch tied for 16th. Hahahahaha. There are actually only a few schools listed lower than Texas.

Stupid counting is stupid.
2013-01-08 05:12:36 PM  
1 votes:
Hmmmm.....Oil and Gas money. Always a rocketship ride to the moon with never ending profits. Boom and....I forget the rest.
2013-01-08 05:06:01 PM  
1 votes:

ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?


Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes? You can actually afford to have one parent stay home and engage their children, or afford private school versus having two parents slaving away at work just to pay the property tax bills. Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.
2013-01-08 05:05:04 PM  
1 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html


It is extremely tempting, though fallacious, to equate all Texan students to Texan fourth graders.
2013-01-08 05:03:22 PM  
1 votes:
They fired about 100,000 teachers a while back.

that had to save some dough.
Texans are a friendly although stupid bunch.
2013-01-08 05:00:38 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html

You can thank the 'No Child Left Behind' concept. These days, Texas kids are taught to pass tests, not critical thinking or to question or explore. They're taught solely to pass the tests, often with help from their teachers. The educators simply can't afford to have failing students due to how NCLB cuts funding for 'badly performing' schools.


Fun fact: No Child Left Behind is actually modeled on the way Texas has been doing things for years prior.  I was taking TAAS test since I was but a wee cowpoke.
2013-01-08 04:55:46 PM  
1 votes:
Hey Obama, you should be taking notes!
2013-01-08 04:54:34 PM  
1 votes:
Having a raging boner for achieving a budget surplus at least at one point in the business cycle or during your party's hegemony is justified, but the boner and the resulting fiscal discipline is what's important, not the surplus itself.
2013-01-08 04:53:53 PM  
1 votes:

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


Fund more toll roads.
2013-01-08 04:46:34 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, let's just turn the narrative and point out that the fourth season of "Justified" starts tonight at 10 PM eastern!
2013-01-08 04:40:47 PM  
1 votes:

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


Um.  I don't have any problem with your overall point, but can I just throw in a tiny quibble - California has far and away the most.  I can't find hard numbers for any year more recent than 2005, but I doubt the percentages have changed all that much.  Back then California had about 1.6 million, Texas had about 650,000.
2013-01-08 03:57:41 PM  
1 votes:

markie_farkie: exick: And they plan to do what with that money?

They've been saving up for the Number Six dance..


Best answer ever.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 03:25:03 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: Texas Starts Budget Debate Flush With Energy Boom Cash

Nice troll subby.
2013-01-08 03:23:28 PM  
1 votes:

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


That's a Got-damned perfect post right there.
2013-01-08 03:19:09 PM  
1 votes:

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


They've been saving up for the Number Six dance..
2013-01-08 03:18:12 PM  
1 votes:
And they plan to do what with that money?
 
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