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2013-01-08 03:08:44 PM
At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.
 
2013-01-08 03:14:33 PM
Keep that surplus away from the raging wild fires.
 
2013-01-08 03:16:12 PM
FTA: The Texas economy has topped budget projections over the past 15 months, as booming energy output fueled job growth and an 11 percent fiscal first-quarter gain in sales-tax receipts, the biggest source of general-fund revenue.
 
2013-01-08 03:17:31 PM
But it's still Texas
 
2013-01-08 03:18:12 PM
And they plan to do what with that money?
 
2013-01-08 03:19:09 PM

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


They've been saving up for the Number Six dance..
 
2013-01-08 03:19:39 PM
Didn't texas take a huge bailout for education from the federal government and just throw it at their deficit?
 
2013-01-08 03:22:50 PM
Isn't sales tax a tax?

(albeit one that disproportionally hits the less well-off, so that's alright then.  Just like the payroll tax.  fark republicans)
 
2013-01-08 03:23:28 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


That's a Got-damned perfect post right there.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 03:25:03 PM
FTFA: Texas Starts Budget Debate Flush With Energy Boom Cash

Nice troll subby.
 
2013-01-08 03:26:10 PM
Subby, your headline is, at best, incorrect or, at worse, an outright lie.

The given article makes no mention of Texas cutting taxes. The article only describes Texas cutting spending, primarily in education. The increased revenue from taxes on sales and energy lead to the surplus.

/Typical GOP two-step headlines.
 
2013-01-08 03:36:23 PM
I hear you can get a pretty sweet fence for $8 billion.
 
2013-01-08 03:57:41 PM

markie_farkie: exick: And they plan to do what with that money?

They've been saving up for the Number Six dance..


Best answer ever.
 
2013-01-08 04:22:50 PM
Wonder if the Federal Government an get back all those educational grants we sent them when they ahd a fiscal emergency and a 6 billion deficit and begged the federal government to fill that hole?

No?

and how does this justify tax cuts anyway?  Would those companies somehow NOT have drilled for oil and Gas in texas and relocated thier drilling operations ovverseas if the taxes hadn;t gone down?

this is a boom fueled by fossil fuel prices not sound economic planning
 
2013-01-08 04:24:14 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.
 
2013-01-08 04:34:20 PM

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


Actually California is first with ESL students.  link
 
2013-01-08 04:40:47 PM

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


Um.  I don't have any problem with your overall point, but can I just throw in a tiny quibble - California has far and away the most.  I can't find hard numbers for any year more recent than 2005, but I doubt the percentages have changed all that much.  Back then California had about 1.6 million, Texas had about 650,000.
 
2013-01-08 04:41:38 PM

James!: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Actually California is first with ESL students.  link


Heh, that's where I found the numbers too.  Guess I should have paid attention before replying.  Durr.
 
2013-01-08 04:42:51 PM

Osomatic: James!: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Actually California is first with ESL students.  link

Heh, that's where I found the numbers too.  Guess I should have paid attention before replying.  Durr.


Short sentences, small words.  That's the key.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 04:45:55 PM
If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.
 
2013-01-08 04:46:34 PM
Yeah, let's just turn the narrative and point out that the fourth season of "Justified" starts tonight at 10 PM eastern!
 
2013-01-08 04:49:29 PM

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


Which is why Texas cut education funding?
 
2013-01-08 04:50:05 PM
What they should do: Teach their dumbass children something other than football and cheerleading.
What they will do: A big farking fence.
 
2013-01-08 04:50:17 PM

James!: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Actually California is first with ESL students.  link


And California will be running a surplus next year after RAISING taxes!
 
2013-01-08 04:50:48 PM

ghare: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Which is why Texas cut education funding?


Ain't not gonna need it if'n it's gotta be teachin' bout dem homo-dina-sours.
 
2013-01-08 04:51:29 PM
Huh; cut taxes and spending results in a surplus? Who'da thunk it?

/ It's almost as though increasing spending has the exact opposite effect
 
2013-01-08 04:52:37 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html
 
2013-01-08 04:52:53 PM
Good, now they can put that toward education.  OH WAIT
 
2013-01-08 04:53:53 PM

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


Fund more toll roads.
 
2013-01-08 04:53:54 PM
Texas should really learn to be more like Michigan so it's people would be more gooder.
 
2013-01-08 04:54:34 PM
Having a raging boner for achieving a budget surplus at least at one point in the business cycle or during your party's hegemony is justified, but the boner and the resulting fiscal discipline is what's important, not the surplus itself.
 
2013-01-08 04:54:39 PM

vpb: California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.


Source? I find that hard to believe.
 
2013-01-08 04:55:05 PM

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


Build toll roads for Rick Perry's friends to operate.
 
2013-01-08 04:55:33 PM
By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.
 
2013-01-08 04:55:46 PM
Hey Obama, you should be taking notes!
 
2013-01-08 04:56:49 PM
Remember they also cut wild fire preparedness and then complained that Obama was letting them burn when the fed didn't swing in and pay for everything.

After praying didn't help of course.
 
2013-01-08 04:56:51 PM

TheOther: Build toll roads for Rick Perry's friends to operate.


Wonder where he got THAT idea??

www.ljhelms.com
 
2013-01-08 04:57:24 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


THIS

Also: Texas is also very good at getting Federal funding for almost everything. Easy to run a surplus when big government gives you money for everything. Texas is most often the answer to "where does the Pork barrel spending go".

Try cutting federal dollars spent, then report back.
 
2013-01-08 04:58:11 PM

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


Especially when you're Mexican't
 
2013-01-08 04:58:25 PM

Brick-House: Hey Obama, you should be taking notes!


You're coming out in favor of a national sales tax, then?
 
2013-01-08 04:58:32 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html


You can thank the 'No Child Left Behind' concept. These days, Texas kids are taught to pass tests, not critical thinking or to question or explore. They're taught solely to pass the tests, often with help from their teachers. The educators simply can't afford to have failing students due to how NCLB cuts funding for 'badly performing' schools.
 
2013-01-08 04:58:43 PM

ghare: James!: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Actually California is first with ESL students.  link

And California will be running a surplus next year after RAISING taxes!


I highly doubt California will run a surplus. While Texas has the cash in hand as their surplus, California is "projected" to have a surplus. We all know what happens when politicians see extra invisible money.
 
2013-01-08 04:59:21 PM

robsul82: Yeah, let's just turn the narrative and point out that the fourth season of "Justified" starts tonight at 10 PM eastern!

STILL

grin when I think about 'disarmed'...
 
2013-01-08 04:59:27 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html



Oh sure, Fox news, the mouthpiece for Republitards is going to rank Texas up to 16th place.

Oh, CBS news?

Oh sure, CBS news, the mouthpiece for Libtards is going to rank Texas down to 16th place.
 
2013-01-08 05:00:38 PM

Infernalist: Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html

You can thank the 'No Child Left Behind' concept. These days, Texas kids are taught to pass tests, not critical thinking or to question or explore. They're taught solely to pass the tests, often with help from their teachers. The educators simply can't afford to have failing students due to how NCLB cuts funding for 'badly performing' schools.


Fun fact: No Child Left Behind is actually modeled on the way Texas has been doing things for years prior.  I was taking TAAS test since I was but a wee cowpoke.
 
2013-01-08 05:03:22 PM
They fired about 100,000 teachers a while back.

that had to save some dough.
Texans are a friendly although stupid bunch.
 
2013-01-08 05:03:57 PM
You would think the Texas Legislature might move some of this money back into the education fund they cut the shiat out of last time around, but more likely they'll find away to funnel all of it to Rick Perry's friends and cohorts, then insist on cutting another $5 billion out of education and spending most of their time throwing tantrums about Planned Parenthood.

The government in this state makes me want to beat the shiat out of something.
 
2013-01-08 05:04:55 PM
well trolled. would read again. A++++ ebayer!
 
2013-01-08 05:05:04 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html


It is extremely tempting, though fallacious, to equate all Texan students to Texan fourth graders.
 
2013-01-08 05:05:46 PM

markie_farkie: TheOther: Build toll roads for Rick Perry's friends to operate.

Wonder where he got THAT idea??

[www.ljhelms.com image 320x240]


Budget surplus=a shiatload of dimes!
 
2013-01-08 05:06:01 PM

ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?


Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes? You can actually afford to have one parent stay home and engage their children, or afford private school versus having two parents slaving away at work just to pay the property tax bills. Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.
 
2013-01-08 05:07:39 PM
How many boar-hunting helicopter rides could you get for $8B?
 
2013-01-08 05:08:17 PM
The eight billion dollar Texas budget surplus is a big fat lie!

All they actually did last session is authorize departments for 4 years but only approve the budget for 2 years. This is like "saving" half your weekly grocery budget by only purchasing 3 days worth of food. You didn't really save anything, its just a little trick you played to make yourself feel smart.
 
2013-01-08 05:08:21 PM
the cbs link is also stating that we're talking about fourth grades as well.... take that for what you will
 
2013-01-08 05:08:31 PM
Meanwhile the counties in the Eagle Ford field are getting their roads pounded to crap from the massive increase in trucking traffic. Frack rigs are everywhere, and they tear the bejesus out of those small county roads. The state won't pay for the damage, so the counties are stuck with the bill.
 
HBK
2013-01-08 05:09:50 PM

vpb: If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.


Texas doesn't even have a state income tax. I'd say they're doing pretty damn well.
 
2013-01-08 05:11:04 PM

Magorn: Wonder if the Federal Government an get back all those educational grants we sent them when they ahd a fiscal emergency and a 6 billion deficit and begged the federal government to fill that hole?

No?

and how does this justify tax cuts anyway?  Would those companies somehow NOT have drilled for oil and Gas in texas and relocated thier drilling operations ovverseas if the taxes hadn;t gone down?

this is a boom fueled by fossil fuel prices not sound economic planning


Some argue tax cuts are sound economic planning. After all didn't Obama extend the Bush tax cuts for that reason-

Democrat Barack Obama says he would delay rescinding President Bush's tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.

Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts-Mr. Obama said the bill would create jobs and boost the still-struggling U.S. economy

As far as the Feds getting their money back I would think Texas woud like their money back as they send more to Washington than they get back

BTW most economic booms are fueled by something be oil, gold, financial services etc. To bad California, which ranks third in the nation in oil reserves cannot figure out a way to have a similar economic boom. Texas' two year budget surplus is about 4 times California's current deficit.
 
2013-01-08 05:12:36 PM
Hmmmm.....Oil and Gas money. Always a rocketship ride to the moon with never ending profits. Boom and....I forget the rest.
 
2013-01-08 05:13:58 PM
Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.
 
HBK
2013-01-08 05:14:24 PM

SovietCanuckistan: Hmmmm.....Oil and Gas money. Always a rocketship ride to the moon with never ending profits. Boom and....I forget the rest.


That's true. But Texas is also getting pretty big into wind energy too, as the picture in the article suggests. Texas has a lot of land.
 
2013-01-08 05:14:55 PM

vpb: If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.


um....what?
As a member of this fine mess of a state I can't see how this is proper math. The unfunded entitlements alone put us in the deep red. That dumbass train isn't helping and we have the highest number of illegal aliens in the nation. We have 99 problems but a surplus ain't one of them. 2013 is red red red and the "projected surplus" based on taxing the wealthy, improved economic outlooks and welfare reform don't really count as money in the bank if history is any indication.
 
2013-01-08 05:15:05 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html


You better take another look at that slide show source. It uses a counting method that even someone educated in Texas would see through. There are a bunch of schools tied for 15th and a bunch tied for 16th. Hahahahaha. There are actually only a few schools listed lower than Texas.

Stupid counting is stupid.
 
2013-01-08 05:15:45 PM
As an Albertan, let me assure you that when your economy is centered around oil and gas it's pretty tough to not be flush with money.
 
2013-01-08 05:15:48 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: vpb: California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.

Source? I find that hard to believe.


The key is "projected.". For example, they expect that Monty Burns will misplace a trillion dollar platinum coin while visiting.
 
2013-01-08 05:15:48 PM
My province in Canada was flush with cash because of oil money. They had billions in savings. Then the price dropped and were in debt. No actual money was gained or lost, the surplus was all on paper, the loss too. But people both praised and hated the government for what was just a blip in the market.

........however, the decision to start spending like madmen was theirs. So there's that. But at least we get free health care (as in no premiums at all) at the expense of doctors and teachers! Yay!

CSB
 
2013-01-08 05:15:49 PM

Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.


As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.
 
2013-01-08 05:16:00 PM

o5iiawah: Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes?


There you go, folks, Poe's Law in action. Is it truth or is it fiction? Who can tell?
 
2013-01-08 05:16:31 PM
Steers and Queers...
 
2013-01-08 05:17:32 PM
How did they get that surplus?

in 2011 put off about $4.7 billion in future Medicaid costs and $2 billion for public schools under the current budget
...
"In the last session, legislators left town saying they'd fully funded Texas's needs and the leadership said they had made tough choices," Castro said. "But when you cut $11 billion out of current services and you face six lawsuits over our school- finance system, you can't say there is no connection."
 
2013-01-08 05:19:00 PM

ModernLuddite: My province in Canada was flush with cash because of oil money. They had billions in savings. Then the price dropped and were in debt. No actual money was gained or lost, the surplus was all on paper, the loss too. But people both praised and hated the government for what was just a blip in the market.

........however, the decision to start spending like madmen was theirs. So there's that. But at least we get free health care (as in no premiums at all) at the expense of doctors and teachers! Yay!

CSB


THIS. Take it from people who know. Texas North (Alberta) is eating a fiscal shiate sandwich at the moment.
 
2013-01-08 05:19:06 PM

MJMaloney187: Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.


You're a crabby old bastard. Why should our kids learn about the world and people in it? Lathe-turning's all my kids will ever need to do, by Gawd.
 
2013-01-08 05:19:09 PM
Tomorrow:

Texas announces 8.8 billion dollar subsidy to energy companies.
 
2013-01-08 05:20:48 PM

markie_farkie: exick: And they plan to do what with that money?

They've been saving up for the Number Six dance..


Battlestar Galactica reference? Nice.
 
2013-01-08 05:20:51 PM
if I went without heat or food ,told my landlord I wasn't paying rent until next year and didn't buy any new clothes for a decade yeah I imagine I would have some extra money left over at the end of the year too.
 
2013-01-08 05:22:49 PM
 
2013-01-08 05:23:31 PM

o5iiawah: Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.


Wrong New England state, there, dude. It's "freedom-loving" New Hampshire that has a jacked-up property tax, not Massachusetts. And Massachusetts does not rely soley on property taxes to fund its education system.
 
2013-01-08 05:23:47 PM

taxachucetts: the cbs link is also stating that we're talking about fourth grades as well.... take that for what you will


4th grade is a fairly common metric.  I see that a lot when I'm looking at education standards for various states.  Not sure why, as the field isn't my expertise, but it does pop up everywhere.
 
2013-01-08 05:24:47 PM
"As the taxable value of oil produced in Texas surged to $39.1 billion in 2011 from $18.4 billion in 2009,..."

Well, duh. Where's the easy button?
 
2013-01-08 05:24:48 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


You like winning the thread right out of the gate, don't you?
 
2013-01-08 05:26:30 PM

HBK: SovietCanuckistan: Hmmmm.....Oil and Gas money. Always a rocketship ride to the moon with never ending profits. Boom and....I forget the rest.

That's true. But Texas is also getting pretty big into wind energy too, as the picture in the article suggests. Texas has a lot of land.


Wind energy takes a good while before the original investment pays off, so that has nothing to do with why they have a surplus now (even if it is a good idea if you have the right sort of land/coast to take advantage of it in the long term).
 
2013-01-08 05:26:35 PM

maniacbastard: They fired about 100,000 teachers a while back.

that had to save some dough.
Texans are a friendly although stupid bunch.


Fixed that for you.

/Lived there...know from whence I speak.
 
2013-01-08 05:26:39 PM

Sliding Carp: Isn't sales tax a tax?

(albeit one that disproportionally hits the less well-off, so that's alright then.  Just like the payroll tax.  fark republicans)


Considering what is taxed, if you mathed it out doesn't this hit the poor a bit more percentage-of-their-income wise? Seems like it'd just be a better deal all around for the wealthy to pay a bit more in income tax just to get people to stop whining about it.
 
2013-01-08 05:27:26 PM

MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.


I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.
 
2013-01-08 05:31:10 PM

draypresct: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.

I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.


I hope you had some words with that dumbass priest.
 
2013-01-08 05:34:09 PM

Mike Chewbacca: draypresct: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.

I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.

I hope you had some words with that dumbass priest.


In Latin
 
2013-01-08 05:37:56 PM

Torchsong: maniacbastard: They fired about 100,000 teachers a while back.

that had to save some dough.
Texans are a friendly although stupid bunch.

Fixed that for you.

/Lived there...know from whence I speak.


Cute coming from someone living in Arizona.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-08 05:38:32 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


SO MUCH THIS!
 
2013-01-08 05:39:20 PM
FTA:

Republicans hold all statewide elective offices and run the Legislature

But earlier in the article:

...said state Senator Kirk Watson, an Austin Democrat.


Did I miss something? I thought he was elected into office and a Democrat.
 
2013-01-08 05:39:33 PM
Also justified:

i.ytimg.com

/and ancient
//doesn't want to rule the land
 
2013-01-08 05:39:47 PM
Rick Perry was the guy right wingers were dying to nominate for POTUS. All he had to do was shut the fark up and say as little as possible and not come off as a complete buffoon with what little he did say. And that was too tall of an order for him. Yeah, this "surplus" is because of good management of State funds. That's hilarious
 
2013-01-08 05:40:34 PM

OMDAH: FTA:

Republicans hold all statewide elective offices and run the Legislature

But earlier in the article:

...said state Senator Kirk Watson, an Austin Democrat.


Did I miss something? I thought he was elected into office and a Democrat.


Yes you did
 
2013-01-08 05:43:02 PM

studs up: Mike Chewbacca: draypresct: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.

I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.

I hope you had some words with that dumbass priest.

In Latin


Call me lazy, but I did not go to the priest with charts showing death rates (including deaths from murder, disease, etc.) dropping drastically over the centuries along with reports of how sanitation has been handled at different periods of history. It didn't seem likely that I'd make much headway.

Instead, I showed the charts to my son. Then I showed them to a couple of friends, who showed them to their kids in the same class.

/Yes, my friends are used to this sort of thing from me. I overheard one guy using the murder chart to start talking about the history of modern policing with his son.
 
2013-01-08 05:44:36 PM

o5iiawah: ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?

Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes? You can actually afford to have one parent stay home and engage their children, or afford private school versus having two parents slaving away at work just to pay the property tax bills. Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.


You do realize that Texans pay quite a large percentage for their property tax, right?

In the Dallas area, the rate is between 2 and 3 percent. 2.5% is roughly 2 times higher than in California. Even in MA, whom you bash for having high property taxes, the rate is only 1.5%.

Texas is 3rd highest in the country. California and MA aren't even in the top 10.
 
2013-01-08 05:44:53 PM

OMDAH: FTA:

Republicans hold all statewide elective offices and run the Legislature

But earlier in the article:

...said state Senator Kirk Watson, an Austin Democrat.


Did I miss something? I thought he was elected into office and a Democrat.


The GOP holds all of the executive positions and a majority of the legislature.
 
2013-01-08 05:45:02 PM
I'd like to put this little nugget from today here for some perspective:


Public Education in Texas is running $1 billion short, meaning officials will soon have to seek that much in supplemental appropriations from the state legislature.


That's what Shirley Beaulieu, chief financial officer at the Texas Education Agency, told the court Monday during the state's sweeping school finance trial.

Beaulieu said a $1 billion supplemental appropriation request will be necessary in coming weeks to help school districts make their July expense payments.
 Link  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57562587/education-official-texas - public-schools-face-$1b-shortfall/
 
2013-01-08 05:45:05 PM

Infernalist: Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost? Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending. Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em. According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html You can thank the 'No Child Left Behind' concept. These days, Texas kids are taught to pass tests, not critical thinking or to question or explore. They're taught solely to pass the tests, often with help from their teachers. The educators simply can't afford to have failing students due to how NCLB cuts funding for 'badly performing' schools.


And now the state Legislature is wanting to shut down schools that don't pass NCLB standards (which go up to 100% in all disciplines and all sub-pops this year, by the way) for two years. That would be a ton of schools. And they want to add a voucher program that would heavily benefit parochial and privately-owned schools. And they've pumped BILLIONS to Pearson to create a ridiculous test that will screw each and every student out of graduation. This state is ridiculous when it comes to education. They do not want an educated populace. They want ignorant people who will buy their line of crap hook, line, and sinker.
 
2013-01-08 05:45:51 PM

draypresct: studs up: Mike Chewbacca: draypresct: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.

I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.

I hope you had some words with that dumbass priest.

In Latin

Call me lazy, but I did not go to the priest with charts showing death rates (including deaths from murder, disease, etc.) dropping drastically over the centuries along with reports of how sanitation has been handled at different periods of history. It didn't seem likely that I'd make much headway.

Instead, I showed the charts to my son. Then I showed them to a couple of friends, who showed them to their kids in the same class.

/Yes, my friends are used to this sort of thing from me. I overheard one guy using the murder chart to start talking about the history of modern policing with his son.


It's general knowledge that people live longer today than they did even 50 years ago. Your priest should have known that. You didn't need to show him any charts, just say, 'Hey, Father Dumbass, people live longer today than they ever have before in the history of humankind. Hell, didn't Jesus die at 33??? Study it up!"
 
2013-01-08 05:45:54 PM

Peter von Nostrand: OMDAH: FTA:

Republicans hold all statewide elective offices and run the Legislature

But earlier in the article:

...said state Senator Kirk Watson, an Austin Democrat.


Did I miss something? I thought he was elected into office and a Democrat.

Yes you did


That is not a State wide office but a Senate district. Only peoplein his district vote for or against him.  State wide woud be Gov. Lt. Gov. Land Commisioner etc.
 
2013-01-08 05:46:08 PM
Yes, we also have lots of uninsured people, shiatty public schools, fairly serious crime and the teacher retirement system is running on empty.

So clearly Texas is doing something right.
 
2013-01-08 05:46:54 PM

Peter von Nostrand: OMDAH: FTA:

Republicans hold all statewide elective offices and run the Legislature

But earlier in the article:

...said state Senator Kirk Watson, an Austin Democrat.


Did I miss something? I thought he was elected into office and a Democrat.

Yes you did


Did I miss the memo that Texas Democrat = Republican? Even one from Austin?
 
2013-01-08 05:47:07 PM

o5iiawah: ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?

Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes? You can actually afford to have one parent stay home and engage their children, or afford private school versus having two parents slaving away at work just to pay the property tax bills. Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.


I live in Massachusetts and live in a standard 250K home and my tax bill is 3k. Soooo..... nice try.
 
2013-01-08 05:48:44 PM

James!: Didn't texas take a huge bailout for education from the federal government and just throw it at their deficit?


Misappropriating federal tax dollars? This is unheard of!
 
2013-01-08 05:48:49 PM

OMDAH: Peter von Nostrand: OMDAH: FTA:

Republicans hold all statewide elective offices and run the Legislature

But earlier in the article:

...said state Senator Kirk Watson, an Austin Democrat.


Did I miss something? I thought he was elected into office and a Democrat.

Yes you did

Did I miss the memo that Texas Democrat = Republican? Even one from Austin?


No, you missed the "statewide" office part. As in governor, etc. There are democrats in the legislature, but the legislature is Republican-controlled.
 
2013-01-08 05:48:55 PM
They should use the surplus to buy every Texan a gun
 
2013-01-08 05:49:18 PM
@Hasty

Ahh okay, I just assumed they meant anybody in the state legislature.

/must learn to not assume
 
2013-01-08 05:49:37 PM
I cut spending on my mortgage 100% and saved thousands.

Now I have nowhere to live.
 
2013-01-08 05:50:39 PM

Watubi: They should use the surplus to buy every Texan a gun


That sounds like socialism to me.
 
2013-01-08 05:50:48 PM
1) Energy boom
2) They deferred $6.7B in costs that have to be paid

So yeah, this is all about the miracle of cutting taxes and "cutting" spending, by which I mean kicking it down the road and declaring triumph.

Gee I wonder what the story will be in 2014.  Burning oil rigs, massive financial scandal, huge deficits?  We'll see soon enough.
 
2013-01-08 05:51:10 PM

Rev.K: I cut spending on my mortgage 100% and saved thousands.

Now I have nowhere to live.


+1
 
2013-01-08 05:51:21 PM

o5iiawah: ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?

Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes? You can actually afford to have one parent stay home and engage their children, or afford private school versus having two parents slaving away at work just to pay the property tax bills. Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.


As a percentage of home values our property taxes are some of the highest in the country because we don't have income tax. This fact artificially raises rent prices while simultaneously holding down home prices. This was a good thing during the housing crisis because our home values didn't become as inflated. We still lost value but it wasn't as large of a bubble.

Unfortunately the high rents disproportionately place the burden of taxes on lower income people because the landlord passes those costs on to them.

The really sad part is that when you add up all these hidden taxes, the real tax rate in Texas is inline with pretty much everywhere else and we have very little to show for it.
 
2013-01-08 05:53:13 PM

FlashHarry: FTA: The Texas economy has topped budget projections over the past 15 months, as booming energy output fueled job growth and an 11 percent fiscal first-quarter gain in sales-tax receipts, the biggest source of general-fund revenue.


And?
 
2013-01-08 05:53:47 PM
i2.cdnds.net

"Oh, sh*t, it's a piggy bank!"
 
2013-01-08 05:55:04 PM

MJMaloney187: . Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.


I used to be against a fence on the Texas border, but more and more I'm a'leaning that way.
 
HBK
2013-01-08 05:55:17 PM

you have pee hands: Watubi: They should use the surplus to buy every Texan a gun

That sounds like socialism to me.


Why would we each need two guns?
 
2013-01-08 05:55:18 PM

ghare: James!: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Actually California is first with ESL students.  link

And California will be running a surplus next year after RAISING taxes!


And California ranks 43rd in education spending

Remains to be seen if they can run a surplus , plus the economy still sucks .

But let us look at another example:Illinois

2011 Illinois raised taxes

2012 Illinois Budget Deficit Worst In The Nation: State Is Reportedly $43.8 Billion In The Red
 
2013-01-08 05:56:35 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


45th in the nation on spending to get 12th in the nation on education results... that sounds like good value to me.

Ignorant and dependent, just like the Democrat's like 'em...
 
2013-01-08 05:58:03 PM

vpb: If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.


Lol no. They "might" do it with tax increases and spending cuts that give revenue a chance to catch up after years.
 
2013-01-08 05:59:07 PM
Lawmakers, who convene tomorrow for a five-month session, in 2011 put off about $4.7 billion in future Medicaid costs and $2 billion for public schools under the current budget, and now must pay those bills.

Brilliant, Subby. I'm not going to pay rent or utilities this month, drastically saving on my budget. Sure, next month, they'll be asking for twice as much, plus interest, but we'll let future me worry about that. I'm being Fiscally Responsible!
 
2013-01-08 05:59:08 PM

draypresct: studs up: Mike Chewbacca: draypresct: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.

I'm probably right there with you as a crabby old bastard, but I think I'd add decent history & science classes to your list of necessary courses.

/CSB: The priest told my son in Sunday school that people used to live longer because things were cleaner, less polluted back then. After my son told me this, I made him read the book "The Good Old Days - They Were Terrible" to get a better idea of how "clean" and "healthy" things were back in the 1800s, let alone earlier.

I hope you had some words with that dumbass priest.

In Latin

Call me lazy, but I did not go to the priest with charts showing death rates (including deaths from murder, disease, etc.) dropping drastically over the centuries along with reports of how sanitation has been handled at different periods of history. It didn't seem likely that I'd make much headway.

Instead, I showed the charts to my son. Then I showed them to a couple of friends, who showed them to their kids in the same class.

/Yes, my friends are used to this sort of thing from me. I overheard one guy using the murder chart to start talking about the history of modern policing with his son.


Not crazy. As a father of a son in the young and impressionable stage, I too teach him why authority needs to be questioned at every turn. That includes me. You'll never fix an adult, but the kid learns to think for himself and not be a sucker. When they finally go out the door, you've done your job.
 
2013-01-08 06:00:46 PM

russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.


And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers
 
2013-01-08 06:02:11 PM

ghare: James!: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Actually California is first with ESL students.  link

And California will be running a surplus next year after RAISING taxes!


No. It's got a 2 billion deficit according to the latest estimate from the legislative budget analyst, and that assumes that Cal will hit its target of 8.5 billion more in money coming in due to the Prop 30 tax increase. That's a big 'if', and would be a surprise given the past track record on revenue projections.
 
2013-01-08 06:02:26 PM

MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.


I don't disagree with your point, but how is shop/trade class not fluff? You listed reading, writing and math. Shop/trade isn't any of those three.

Another reason most schools have dropped shop/trade is insurance. You have a power saw or an acetylene torch and some kid goes bonkers with it and loses a finger or an arm, that's not going to do well to the school district's insurance premium. Same with other sports besides the standard sports (even though football is such a high-injury sport). When I was in high school, we had trampoline, archery, golf. They won't teaching any of that because insurance for them is too high, and some insurers don't even have a policy for the more esoteric sports like fencing or archery. You can't even get a policy for them.

Teaching social studies is much cheaper on the insurance premiums.
 
2013-01-08 06:03:08 PM
I'm guessing most of that surplus came from drilling and fracking. Our kids are retarded and the air is crunchy but we have a surplus!
 
2013-01-08 06:04:22 PM

vpb: If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.


Well sure - raise taxes by $6 billion and you BETTER have a surplus.. but how many people are fleeing the state because of it?

Between 1960 - 1990, 4.2 million Americans moved to California from other states.

Since 1990, 3.4 million residents have fled to other states, like Texas, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Georgia and South Carolina.

The U.S. Census reported last year that residents of California are fleeing the state at a faster rate than people leaving any other state. The most common state-to-state move in 2010 was California to Texas, according to the Census.

Currently, more people are leaving the state than migrating to it. Unless that trend is reversed, California is going to be very hard pressed to maintain that surplus without raising taxes even higher (and they're already amongst the highest in the country), which will push even MORE people out.

And who can blame them? When people actually look at the buying power of their dollar in California in comparison to other states, the can live much better even with a lower income in other states.

For instance, according to the CNN Cost of Living Calculator, if you make $100,000 in San Jose CA, you can live comparatively in Dallas or Houston for only $59,000, with the largest savings of course in housing.
 
2013-01-08 06:04:51 PM

vpb: If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha a surplus when? We have underfunded pension liabilities in the billions.
 
2013-01-08 06:04:59 PM

hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers


There was a move here in CA to stop TX business recruiters from trolling Vernon (industrial city in LA) because they kept enticing the owners to move their facilities to TX. Apparently, the recruiters won. Enjoy our middle class.
 
2013-01-08 06:05:19 PM

flamingboard: I'm guessing most of that surplus came from drilling and fracking. Our kids are retarded and the air is crunchy but we have a surplus!


No worries, environmental studies paid for by the gas companies say everything is a-okay. And they have no reason to lie
 
2013-01-08 06:05:49 PM

hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers


why? they get sick of over-running Colorado?
 
2013-01-08 06:05:49 PM

fartacus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

45th in the nation on spending to get 12th in the nation on education results... that sounds like good value to me.

Ignorant and dependent, just like the Democrat's like 'em...


Except that those "overall" results that Texas ranks 12th in are a combination of "performance" where they're below average or near failing in every category, and "standards" where they're at the top. This means:
1) They're not living up to their own standards, which can't be good value by anyone's definition.
2) Using standards as part of your metric artificially inflates failing statistics. If your state high school graduation rate is at 40% but you have "standards" that say you want a 100% graduation rate, you can't combine those to say you have an average of 70%.
 
2013-01-08 06:06:22 PM

MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.


There's lots of fluff for sure but just blindly cutting everything "non-essential" and replacing it with "trade school" is just as bad. First of all you will never get everyone to agree on what "essential" means. For example I think every student in America should have some kind of programming course and learn some advanced computing beyond MS Word.

Secondly, cutting everything except reading, writing and math is based purely on economics, i.e. "you can't get a job with all that other stuff" but we live in a world where people can choose what they want to do and we need thinkers, dreamers and creativity as well. Students aren't drones

Thirdly, all that fluff stuff contributes to a well-rounded education which has been scientifically shown to produce better student and in turn better people. Social studies promotes understanding so people learn how to interact with people outside their ethnic/religion/whatever background. In an increasingly globalized society this is extremely important. And the creative fluff helps people in the essential areas. Musicians are better at math for instance.

Finally trade school just doesn't cut it in our economy. Even if we had an army of kids who understood a trade it isn't going to be bring back manufacturing jobs to the US. Did you realize that manufacturing output in the US has increased since the 1960s? It isn't that we're producing less stuff, it's that we've automated the production. We need fewer people in the manufacturing workforce. In the coming years the developing world is going to experience the same thing and all of their manufacturing workers are going to start doing "fluff" stuff too. We need to invest in our educational system now so we can remain competitive.
 
2013-01-08 06:07:25 PM
FTFA ""Lawmakers, who convene tomorrow for a five-month session, in 2011 put off about $4.7 billion in future Medicaid costs and $2 billion for public schools under the current budget, and now must pay those bills. With Combs projecting an $8.8 billion surplus by Aug. 31""


How do they have a surplus of $8.8 billion when they owe $6.7 billion for medicaid and schools???

My head asplode. Someone please explain the fuzzy government math to me
 
2013-01-08 06:08:12 PM
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Justified and ancient.
 
2013-01-08 06:08:33 PM
Time to start investing in your state again Texas government, the state has the potential to be a lot better than it is now.
 
2013-01-08 06:08:52 PM

hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers


Take all you want

/we're happy to see them leaving
 
2013-01-08 06:09:00 PM

ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?


Hey, now. Leave BradKanus alone. He's not feeling well today. Acording to his sucky blog, he has the flu.
 
2013-01-08 06:09:01 PM
political theater stunt. get back to this in a year or two and see how well it works.
 
2013-01-08 06:10:17 PM

sweetmelissa31: I hear you can get a pretty sweet fence for $8 billion.


Yep, hire the chinamen and it could last a while.
 
2013-01-08 06:10:19 PM

russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.


Says the dumbass that doesn't know where to place an apostrophe and whose sentence is missing an article.

You sound fat and illiterate, Russ.
 
2013-01-08 06:12:07 PM

robsul82: Yeah, let's just turn the narrative and point out that the fourth season of "Justified" starts tonight at 10 PM eastern!


Hear, hear!

TheOther: robsul82: Yeah, let's just turn the narrative and point out that the fourth season of "Justified" starts tonight at 10 PM eastern!

STILL grin when I think about 'disarmed'...


Oh shiat, it's a piggy bank!
 
2013-01-08 06:13:03 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers

Take all you want

/we're happy to see them leaving


Just checked your profile. I used to hang out in Georgetown and Cool all the time when I was in high school.

/Had friends that lived up there.
//Also, I thought that was Greenwood's slogan
 
2013-01-08 06:13:17 PM

MJMaloney187: As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.


You sound exactly like I'd expect a Texan to.
 
2013-01-08 06:16:32 PM

hasty ambush:

BTW most economic booms are fueled by something be oil, gold, financial services etc. To bad California, which ranks third in the nation in oil reserves cannot figure out a way to have a similar economic boom. Texas' two year budget surplus is about 4 times California's current deficit.


That's because Californians are familiar with the concept of "what happens next?"
We don't tear the earth up as much as we used to to get at what's underneath because "what happens next" is the water and air get farked up for generations.
Many places and people in Texas just don't give a sh*t, because they think what they dig or suck up will never run out, there will never be any consequences like flammable tapwater or flooding or poisoned wells or sinkholes, and that gawd will put it all back anyway.
 
2013-01-08 06:16:35 PM

mgshamster: MaudlinMutantMollusk: hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers

Take all you want

/we're happy to see them leaving

Just checked your profile. I used to hang out in Georgetown and Cool all the time when I was in high school.

/Had friends that lived up there.
//Also, I thought that was Greenwood's slogan


It's still weird, I guarantee you that

/hoping to move to Garden Valley next month
//town really sucks
 
2013-01-08 06:19:21 PM

TheJoe03: Time to start investing in your state again Texas government, the state has the potential to be a lot better than it is now.


Have you been to Texas? This is pretty unlikely.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers

Take all you want

/we're happy to see them leaving


farking bastards. They have really farked up downtown bad. Between the hipster invasion from cali a few years back and the monorail they force fed us and then the god damn toll roads. God dammit now I need a drink.
 
2013-01-08 06:19:31 PM

hasty ambush: But let us look at another example:Illinois

2011 Illinois raised taxes

2012 Illinois Budget Deficit Worst In The Nation: State Is Reportedly $43.8 Billion In The Red


Wonder what state ex-senator Obama was from...

/in CA and NOBODY is talking surpluses right now
 
2013-01-08 06:21:42 PM

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


I hope they are paying for their medicare and medicaid payments...which they gave an IOU to last year.
 
2013-01-08 06:22:36 PM

Citrate1007: What they should do: Teach their dumbass children something other than football and cheerleading.
What they will do: A big farking fence.


yes but where will they build the fence? on the mexican side of the okie side or will they block the lap landers
 
2013-01-08 06:24:02 PM

orclover: TheJoe03: Time to start investing in your state again Texas government, the state has the potential to be a lot better than it is now.

Have you been to Texas? This is pretty unlikely.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers

Take all you want

/we're happy to see them leaving

farking bastards. They have really farked up downtown bad. Between the hipster invasion from cali a few years back and the monorail they force fed us and then the god damn toll roads. God dammit now I need a drink.


What's wrong with public transit? I have friends who lived in TX while going to grad school, and they said public transit in Texas is shiat-tastic. And don't blame Californians for toll roads. There are very, very few toll roads in CA. That's a Rick Perry thing. And I heard Austin had a pretty cool downtown area...
 
2013-01-08 06:25:23 PM

4NTLRZ: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

Says the dumbass that doesn't know where to place an apostrophe and whose sentence is missing an article.

You sound fat and illiterate, Russ.


I work in Texas. Yeah, they're generally pretty stupid. I am able to ascertain that not merely by my interations with coworkers (who fairly generally are ok) but rather by reading the goddamned derpfest that is the Houston Chronicle daily.
 
2013-01-08 06:25:48 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: mgshamster: MaudlinMutantMollusk: hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers

Take all you want

/we're happy to see them leaving

Just checked your profile. I used to hang out in Georgetown and Cool all the time when I was in high school.

/Had friends that lived up there.
//Also, I thought that was Greenwood's slogan

It's still weird, I guarantee you that

/hoping to move to Garden Valley next month
//town really sucks


I don't doubt you.  Some CSB time:  I once dated a girl out there. Lasted about a month.  A little more than half a decade ago, I ran into her little sister (this time all grown up).  Turns out she always had a crush on me.  We went out on a few dates, and then I ran as fast as I could; she was deep in the crazy.  Later on, she started dating a friend of mine.  They ended up getting married.  After the wedding, her mom told my friend, "Welcome to the asylum. She's your problem now."

/My friend is kind of an idiot
//He ignored all my warnings about her being crazy
///But it did give me the opportunity to tell him, "Your dating who? Yeah, I know her. I dated her once. And her sister."
/Slashies!
 
2013-01-08 06:26:54 PM
so maybe they could ya know fix some schools and hire some teachers, then with what's left fix some potholes
 
2013-01-08 06:26:59 PM

Stratohead: why? they get sick of over-running Colorado?


Texans or Californians? You can tell the Texans here in Colorado, they're the ones in a ditch when we get an inch of snow.
 
2013-01-08 06:28:36 PM

Sliding Carp: Isn't sales tax a tax?

(albeit one that disproportionally hits the less well-off, so that's alright then.  Just like the payroll tax.  fark republicans)


sales tax isn't applied to everything here, including many foods.
 
2013-01-08 06:28:44 PM
A booming economy will do that
 
2013-01-08 06:33:27 PM
Two KLF references in this thread! Awesome
 
2013-01-08 06:34:30 PM

walkerhound: Stratohead: why? they get sick of over-running Colorado?

Texans or Californians? You can tell the Texans here in Colorado, they're the ones in a ditch when we get an inch of snow.


this made me smile,

:-{)
 
2013-01-08 06:35:31 PM

HBK: you have pee hands: Watubi: They should use the surplus to buy every Texan a gun

That sounds like socialism to me.

Why would we each need two guns?


Ya got two hands, doncha?
 
2013-01-08 06:38:17 PM

horsepocket: o5iiawah: ghare: Which is why Texas cut education funding?

Who needs an expensive public education when the average family is paying low property taxes? You can actually afford to have one parent stay home and engage their children, or afford private school versus having two parents slaving away at work just to pay the property tax bills. Are TX schools as "Good" as MA schools? probably not - but Texans can live in a standard single family home for $150k and not pay $14,000/yr in property taxes on it either.

You do realize that Texans pay quite a large percentage for their property tax, right?

In the Dallas area, the rate is between 2 and 3 percent. 2.5% is roughly 2 times higher than in California. Even in MA, whom you bash for having high property taxes, the rate is only 1.5%.

Texas is 3rd highest in the country. California and MA aren't even in the top 10.


True, but there are several taxes in that tax rate. In Houston, for example:

State Rate: 0.638750%
County Rate: 0.728781%
School District Tax Rate: 1.15670%

For a total rate of 2.524231%

The median price of a home in the Houston area is $167,000; that would make your property & school taxes around $4,200 a year (NOT counting homestead exemptions).

In comparison, California does have a much lower property tax rate (average of just .68% with allowed $7,000 exemption), but a high Income Tax rate (with hardly no personal deductions aside from the standard married-filing-jointly deduction). Texas has no income tax.

Texas also has a much lower cost of living, lower population density (meaning it doesn't take you an hour to drive 5 miles on highway 101 as it did me).. Can you buy a 3,000 sq. ft. home in a nice neighborhood in Silicon Valley for $87k? Granted, the Air Conditioning bill is MURDER. :)

Bottom line, California is the 4th most expensive state to live in, Texas is the 45th. If you're not against the state "just because it's Texas", or "because it's Republican!" and just want a nice place to live/work/raise a family, Texas isn't that bad.

And considering the over 70% of the (estimated) 225,000 people leaving CA go to Texas, they must be doing something right.
 
2013-01-08 06:38:29 PM

exick: And they plan to do what with that money?


They sure as hell won't give it back. They're politicians!
 
2013-01-08 06:39:32 PM

Magorn: Wonder if the Federal Government an get back all those educational grants we sent them when they ahd a fiscal emergency and a 6 billion deficit and begged the federal government to fill that hole?

No?

and how does this justify tax cuts anyway?  Would those companies somehow NOT have drilled for oil and Gas in texas and relocated thier drilling operations ovverseas if the taxes hadn;t gone down?

this is a boom fueled by fossil fuel prices not sound economic planning


Exactly. They should just keep spending high, and mint a couple trillion dollar coins.
 
2013-01-08 06:42:23 PM
1. Cut Medicade and education by $6.9 billion.
2. Declare a surplus?
3. Reap the rewards of an uneducated, pregnant, uncared for public.
 
2013-01-08 06:42:48 PM

Mike Chewbacca: It's general knowledge that people live longer today than they did even 50 years ago. Your priest should have known that. You didn't need to show him any charts, just say, 'Hey, Father Dumbass, people live longer today than they ever have before in the history of humankind. Hell, didn't Jesus die at 33??? Study it up!"


I agree that it _ought_ to be general knowledge that people live longer today than at any time in human history, but I doubt my ability to bring that knowledge to someone who's reached adulthood and somehow blocked that nugget.

And I'd be ashamed if I managed to convince someone using an anecdote about a single crucifixion. I'd have to turn in my statistician's license.

/I've always wanted to stage a "drive-by crucifiction*".
//=fake crucifixion
 
2013-01-08 06:43:37 PM

taxachucetts: the cbs link is also stating that we're talking about fourth grades as well.... take that for what you will


for what its worth... 4th grade in Texas is commonly referred to as 'senior year'.
 
2013-01-08 06:46:38 PM

TheOther: exick: And they plan to do what with that money?

Build toll roads for Rick Perry's friends to operate.


What'll that asshole governor think of next?
 
2013-01-08 06:48:53 PM
FTFA: Lawmakers, who convene tomorrow for a five-month session, in 2011 put off about $4.7 billion in future Medicaid costs and $2 billion for public schools under the current budget, and now must pay those bills. With Combs projecting an $8.8 billion surplus by Aug. 31 and a 12 percent jump in general-purpose receipts for the next two years, Democrats sense an opening.
 
2013-01-08 06:55:25 PM
Did anyone point out that subby's either disingenuous or just lying? Yes? Sweet.
 
2013-01-08 06:59:11 PM

cabbyman: Texas should really learn to be more like Michigan so it's people would be more gooder better .


Pet peave
 
2013-01-08 07:01:44 PM
Budget Surplus + Republicans + Fark = Not good for the average Farker
 
2013-01-08 07:06:38 PM
I'd swear I added a comment about how the $8 billion surplus is probably bullshiat and Texas has plenty of problems, but maybe I just dreamed it.

As a resident of Texas, I can tell you that living here is OK, but we're not swimming in dough. Our politicians and lobbyists, maybe, but regular people, not so much.
 
2013-01-08 07:07:53 PM

Watubi: They should use the surplus to buy every Texan a gun


No need.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-08 07:10:38 PM
From the article...

The economic advances in Texas are also reflected in its expanding reserve, or "rainy day" fund, which stood at $8 billion in November and may climb to $11.8 billion by August 2015, Combs said. The fund relies on levies from oil and gas production.

So yes, we do have some money laying around for the tougher times ahead, which will happen.
 
2013-01-08 07:12:31 PM

MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.


No history and no economics then. That can't possibly backfire. I notice you left science out too.
 
2013-01-08 07:13:57 PM

Mike Chewbacca: What's wrong with public transit? I have friends who lived in TX while going to grad school, and they said public transit in Texas is shiat-tastic. And don't blame Californians for toll roads. There are very, very few toll roads in CA. That's a Rick Perry thing. And I heard Austin had a pretty cool downtown area...


The buses are great from what I hear, never use em. The monorail was a multimillion dollar tax headache that I never see anybody riding. To toll roads, are perry's brainchild yer right, that farker. I used to be able to see the capitol downtown, no building was allowed to be taller than it with very few exceptions. I used to be able to park downtown. Now its little new york. Condo's everywhere. Pay for parking everywhere. The hike and bike trail is nice, but I miss having a oversized town. Now were a city with SXSW shutting down any hopes of going anywhere in town a week out of the year.

Austin was awesome. Austin was so awesome that everybody from new york and california moved here. I cant see how awesome it is any more through all the people standing in the way seeing how awesome it was. Save yer breath, I know i'm an old man who has no place any more in this young kids new city. If I can afford it some day i'll sell my house on rundberg at a huge loss and move away and ruin somebody elses town.

/just a bitter old man
 
Rat
2013-01-08 07:17:54 PM
If we can get a refund from the guy that sold us Romo, we'd happily add it to the surplus.

© Seein' as how this is a Texas thread, I thought for sure someone would've turned it into a guns thread
 
2013-01-08 07:18:04 PM

dericwater: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than insurance premiums. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.


I don't disagree with your point, but how is shop/trade class not fluff? You listed reading, writing and math. Shop/trade isn't any of those three.

Another reason most schools have dropped shop/trade is insurance. You have a power saw or an acetylene torch and some kid goes bonkers with it and loses a finger or an arm, that's not going to do well to the school district's insurance premium. Same with other sports besides the standard sports (even though football is such a high-injury sport). When I was in high school, we had trampoline, archery, golf. They won't teaching any of that because insurance for them is too high, and some insurers don't even have a policy for the more esoteric sports like fencing or archery. You can't even get a policy for them.

Teaching social studies is much cheaper on the insurance premiums.


Noted. So I went back and fixed my original thought.

Shop and trade classes aren't fluff. Accidents happen. Cutting off fingers is a good way to establish a personal culture of safety.
 
2013-01-08 07:19:00 PM

bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.


But markie_farkie complained about the level of spending being too low. You're totally missing the point. The spending has to increase because the spending is too low.
 
2013-01-08 07:25:09 PM
That would probably pay for at least a dozen high school football stadiums.
 
2013-01-08 07:27:30 PM

dryknife: That would probably pay for at least a dozen high school football stadiums.


not the way some towns build, i mean why spend it on the kids education when you could have a stadium that rivaled where the cowboys or the texans play
 
2013-01-08 07:28:37 PM

russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.


THIS
 
2013-01-08 07:30:03 PM

Infernalist: Contrabulous Flabtraption: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

According to CBS News, Texas is tanked 16th in school performance while California is 26th
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-500172_162-10008953-22.html

You can thank the 'No Child Left Behind' concept. These days, Texas kids are taught to pass tests, not critical thinking or to question or explore. They're taught solely to pass the tests, often with help from their teachers. The educators simply can't afford to have failing students due to how NCLB cuts funding for 'badly performing' schools.


This happens all over the country thanks to that insanely stupid law.

I am constantly shocked by what the teachers in my family tell me. No one actually knows anything. They just send them off to the next level.
 
2013-01-08 07:31:58 PM

Osomatic: bradkanus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

A little perspective would be nice given that Texas educates more ESOL kids than any other state by a factor of somewhere around three.  It's hard to pass tests that aren't in a language you speak.

Um.  I don't have any problem with your overall point, but can I just throw in a tiny quibble - California has far and away the most.  I can't find hard numbers for any year more recent than 2005, but I doubt the percentages have changed all that much.  Back then California had about 1.6 million, Texas had about 650,000.


Um, I assume this has to do with Spanish language teaching. Is that correct?
 
2013-01-08 07:36:13 PM
When the gas and oil stop flowing cheap and easy, this cunning plan may cease to seem so cunning.
But that seems to be the way the New Fiscal Conservatism works - like some kind of perverse, reverse Keynesianism. Piss away the farm in good times, and then when times get hard, SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING. Doesn't seem to be working, but to be fair, nothing else seems to be working too well, anywhere, anymore.
When you look at the vast quantity of the planet's resources that only a relatively small fraction of humanity that have become affluent in the last century have consumed, and the fact that affluence and the craving for affluence are spreading across the palnet like wildfire - well, it just might not be sustainable.
Civilization has had to flatten and reload a few times along the way, and it's foolish to suppose that it never will again.
So, to sum up - these may or may not be the end times.
BOOGA BOOGA!!
 
2013-01-08 07:40:17 PM

cfreak: MJMaloney187: Insatiable Jesus: By cutting education funding.

Brilliant.

As a father with kids in Texas public schools, I can tell you that "education funding" is a bigger swindle than mining gold from seawater. And that's a fact, Hoss.

Too much money is allocated to pointless fluff programs. Call me a crabby old bastard, but anything other than reading, writing and math is fluff. Every social studies program in America ought to be unfunded, shut down and replaced with shop/trade classes.

You know what we ought to do with that money, we ought to buy up as much bank owned housing stock as we can, then set up a real estate lottery. Dollar a pop, win a house -- and have Vanilla Ice's crew do it up.

There's lots of fluff for sure but just blindly cutting everything "non-essential" and replacing it with "trade school" is just as bad. First of all you will never get everyone to agree on what "essential" means. For example I think every student in America should have some kind of programming course and learn some advanced computing beyond MS Word.

Secondly, cutting everything except reading, writing and math is based purely on economics, i.e. "you can't get a job with all that other stuff" but we live in a world where people can choose what they want to do and we need thinkers, dreamers and creativity as well. Students aren't drones

Thirdly, all that fluff stuff contributes to a well-rounded education which has been scientifically shown to produce better student and in turn better people. Social studies promotes understanding so people learn how to interact with people outside their ethnic/religion/whatever background. In an increasingly globalized society this is extremely important. And the creative fluff helps people in the essential areas. Musicians are better at math for instance.

Finally trade school just doesn't cut it in our economy. Even if we had an army of kids who understood a trade it isn't going to be bring back manufacturing jobs to the US. Did you ...


Pardon me ma'am, but that was some of the longest winded fluff I've ever read, and I've read the unabridged version of Moby Dick.

Learning how to fix air conditioners and diesel engines, read a t-square and program a gyro, wire a house and milk a chicken are hardly "manufacturing" skills.

My personal philosophies aside, I still think Texas needs more houses designed by Vanilla Ice.
 
2013-01-08 07:42:34 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Boyd


Thenk Yew, Boss. 10 PM tonight.

/and who has grown another pair of kidneys?
//all the way to the gol-danged second page before I got what I was looking for??
 
2013-01-08 07:42:42 PM

vpb: FTFA: Texas Starts Budget Debate Flush With Energy Boom Cash

Nice troll subby.


I love how people think these things occur in a vacuum.  Perhaps it is just a coincidence.  The state cut taxes and cut spending, and by some odd coincidence the economy starting booming.

And don't think that all those people moving to texas from states like california that help boost those revenue numbers aren't moving there directly as a result of the fact texas has low taxes and a pro business climate and california has high taxes and a hostile business climate.
 
2013-01-08 07:45:44 PM

someonelse: [i2.cdnds.net image 618x428]

"Oh, sh*t, it's a piggy bank!"


Thank you, but somebody beat you with Boyd.
 
2013-01-08 07:46:04 PM

meatofmystery: Two KLF references in this thread! Awesome


We're all bound for Mu Mu land.

/Mu Mu land
 
2013-01-08 07:46:16 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


well, Texas is running a huge surplus and most of the other states in the union are in a lot of financial trouble - california, new york, etc.  So I wonder who is in the best situation to fund education and mental health in the future?

California and New York have mortgaged their future spending in education and mental health by being irresponsible now.  Texas has made the necessary cuts now so that they don't have to make drastic cuts later.  Guess who comes out ahead in the long run?
 
2013-01-08 07:48:40 PM
Texas has a surplus.  Most of the other states in the country are bankrupting themselves.  Federally we are bankrupting ourselves.

Farkers response?  Learn what Texas is doing and try to copy them?  Nope.  Bash them.


Farking geniuses.  All over this thread.
 
2013-01-08 07:49:40 PM

Sgt Oddball: robsul82: Yeah, let's just turn the narrative and point out that the fourth season of "Justified" starts tonight at 10 PM eastern!

Hear, hear!

TheOther: robsul82: Yeah, let's just turn the narrative and point out that the fourth season of "Justified" starts tonight at 10 PM eastern!

STILL grin when I think about 'disarmed'...

Oh shiat, it's a piggy bank!


Yea, verily!
 
2013-01-08 07:51:25 PM

vpb: If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.


It was just dumb luck.  Texas was just minding its own business and a surplus fell in its lap.  Why, residents and businesses weren't even aware of Texas' tax rates and responsible spending and culture of freedom and opportunity.
 
2013-01-08 08:02:18 PM
it is so weird how all this lucky stuff happens to places that lower taxes and cut spending. by sheer dumb luck all of a sudden their economy starts booming and they have surpluses. booms are definitely not caused by those policies but it's weird how the luck always works out for them
 
2013-01-08 08:06:16 PM
Funny...tax cuts, businesses flock to Texas, more money comes into Texas
and they have a surplus? That's interesting. Tax CUTS bring IN MORE revenue?
Oh I know...it was those pesky Bush tax cuts that caused all this problem...not the
massive debt that he and Obama have inflicted upon us.
 
2013-01-08 08:13:08 PM
Thank goodness I live in Illinois. Our state is a shining example of what is possible to the rest of the nation.
 
2013-01-08 08:15:21 PM

SlothB77: vpb: If Texas had accomplished this by doing something rather than by benefiting from good fortune I would be more impressed
California is projected to have a surplus and they did it by adding jobs and tax increases on the wealthy, no luck involved.

It was just dumb luck.  Texas was just minding its own business and a surplus fell in its lap.  Why, residents and businesses weren't even aware of Texas' tax rates and responsible spending and culture of freedom and opportunity.


Of course! You've solved it! Now all we need to do is find oil and natural gas in every state!
 
2013-01-08 08:18:59 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: hasty ambush: russsssman: Yes Texas is horrible. Texans arent' educated and smart, despite having best agriculture, Nasa, oil development, software development, military might and medical. Please stay away from Texas.

And yet Californains seem to want to move here:

Californians moving to Texas in record numbers

Take all you want

/we're happy to see them leaving


The perfect California is the one where only you are allowed to live, and only everyone else has to pay taxes.

This isn't personal. This is the attitude that has lead to the pattern of legislation (and initiatives) that has bankrupted the state.
 
2013-01-08 08:21:18 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Citrate1007: What they should do: Teach their dumbass children something other than football and cheerleading.
What they will do: A big farking fence.

yes but where will they build the fence? on the mexican side of the okie side or will they block the lap landers


Just build it around Austin...
 
2013-01-08 08:24:39 PM
It worked for Bill Clinton.
 
2013-01-08 08:57:34 PM

farkyouyoufarkingfarker: Duke_leto_Atredes: Citrate1007: What they should do: Teach their dumbass children something other than football and cheerleading.
What they will do: A big farking fence.

yes but where will they build the fence? on the mexican side of the okie side or will they block the lap landers

Just build it around Austin...


Yes but let in all the mexicans first. They work hard and the foods good.
 
2013-01-08 09:02:57 PM

orclover: Yes but let in all the mexicans first. They work hard and the foods good.


hell, who else are you going to get to build that damn wall, foreigners from California?
 
2013-01-08 09:03:46 PM

orclover: Have you been to Texas? This is pretty unlikely.


I was raised there.
 
2013-01-08 09:06:03 PM

TheJoe03: orclover: Have you been to Texas? This is pretty unlikely.

I was raised there.


Oh sorry, didnt see the sarcasm tags in yer post. At best the money will simply be put back into the "rainy day fund". At worst.....more farking toll roads to be rented off to foreign companies.
 
2013-01-08 09:07:26 PM

orclover: farkyouyoufarkingfarker: Duke_leto_Atredes: Citrate1007: What they should do: Teach their dumbass children something other than football and cheerleading.
What they will do: A big farking fence.

yes but where will they build the fence? on the mexican side of the okie side or will they block the lap landers

Just build it around Austin...

Yes but let in all the mexicans first. They work hard and the foods good.


Then fill it with water.
 
2013-01-08 09:10:47 PM

orclover: TheJoe03: orclover: Have you been to Texas? This is pretty unlikely.

I was raised there.

Oh sorry, didnt see the sarcasm tags in yer post. At best the money will simply be put back into the "rainy day fund". At worst.....more farking toll roads to be rented off to foreign companies.


I wasn't being sarcastic, just hopeful (though not expecting it to happen) that the state would do something positive for once. You're probably right about the toll roads though.
 
2013-01-08 09:33:06 PM

Southern100: Texas also has a much lower cost of living, lower population density (meaning it doesn't take you an hour to drive 5 miles on highway 101 as it did me).. Can you buy a 3,000 sq. ft. home in a nice neighborhood in Silicon Valley for $87k? Granted, the Air Conditioning bill is MURDER. :)

Bottom line, California is the 4th most expensive state to live in, Texas is the 45th. If you're not against the state "just because it's Texas", or "because it's Republican!" and just want a nice place to live/work/raise a family, Texas isn't that bad.

And considering the over 70% of the (estimated) 225,000 people leaving CA go to Texas, they must be doing something right.


While I don't deny that it's a much lower cost of living, you can't get a 3k Square foot house for that price in the more densely populated zones here either. Yes, in the hick town of 6,000 people where I teach, you can get 3,000 square feet on a 2 Acre lot for 500-600k. Morgan Hill, CA has similar prices and is a mere 5 miles further from San Francisco than this town is from Downtown Fort Worth. When you look at the suburbs (where I live) you're looking at 1 to 1.5 million depending on the township. Sure, its not Palo Alto prices, but it is comparable to San Mateo, Sunnyvale, and Redwood City. Yes, Real Estate is cheaper than a lot of places, but only because there is still room to expand. However, if you've driven the I-35 corridor between San Antonio and Denton in the last 10 years, you'd notice that the amount of land moving North and South is dwindling fast.

Essentially, the "low cost of living" that is associated with Texas is a product of the excessive amounts of undeveloped land still available, nothing pretty soon, that won't save it. Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, Fort Worth, and El Paso all rank in the 6 largest cities in the United States, and the first five are running out of places to expand within a 60 to 90 minute driving commute (not sure on El Paso, as I've never been). Houston covers 25% more land than Los Angeles, Dallas is nearly twice the area of San Jose, and Austin is 6.5X more spacious than San Francisco. Without some severe infrastructure investment soon, these cities will not be able to keep their costs down, as there won't be any more room to expand outward efficiently.
 
2013-01-08 09:39:48 PM

free_waffles: there won't be any more room to expand outward efficiently.


Good, Texas could use some smart planning, make their cities more urban and dense. Not sure why sprawl was all the rage back in the day, it makes cities lame.
 
2013-01-08 09:53:53 PM
Billy Mack is a detective down in Texas.
You know he knows just exactly what the facts is.
He ain't gonna let those two escape justice.
His pay decreased due to the State's approach to taxes.

He'll let Bobbie Sue take the money and run.

Come on, Take the money and run.
 
2013-01-08 09:57:21 PM

theorellior: Brick-House: Hey Obama, you should be taking notes!

You're coming out in favor of a national sales tax, then?


As a matter of fact, yes, yes I am. Replace the income tax with a national sales tax that EVERYONE pays. Fooken yeah!
 
2013-01-08 10:07:28 PM

bittermang: exick: And they plan to do what with that money?

Fund more toll roads.


Are you butthurt?

NTTA pays back the loans, then runs profit.

They are awesome roads, have courtesy patrols, and I don't get pulled over.

I get to work in almost half the time for less then $2/day BEFORE gas and time savings are accounted for.

If you dont like it STFU and go live in a pothole.
 
2013-01-08 10:29:28 PM

free_waffles: Southern100: Texas also has a much lower cost of living, lower population density (meaning it doesn't take you an hour to drive 5 miles on highway 101 as it did me).. Can you buy a 3,000 sq. ft. home in a nice neighborhood in Silicon Valley for $87k? Granted, the Air Conditioning bill is MURDER. :)

Bottom line, California is the 4th most expensive state to live in, Texas is the 45th. If you're not against the state "just because it's Texas", or "because it's Republican!" and just want a nice place to live/work/raise a family, Texas isn't that bad.

And considering the over 70% of the (estimated) 225,000 people leaving CA go to Texas, they must be doing something right.

While I don't deny that it's a much lower cost of living, you can't get a 3k Square foot house for that price in the more densely populated zones here either. Yes, in the hick town of 6,000 people where I teach, you can get 3,000 square feet on a 2 Acre lot for 500-600k. Morgan Hill, CA has similar prices and is a mere 5 miles further from San Francisco than this town is from Downtown Fort Worth. When you look at the suburbs (where I live) you're looking at 1 to 1.5 million depending on the township. Sure, its not Palo Alto prices, but it is comparable to San Mateo, Sunnyvale, and Redwood City. Yes, Real Estate is cheaper than a lot of places, but only because there is still room to expand. However, if you've driven the I-35 corridor between San Antonio and Denton in the last 10 years, you'd notice that the amount of land moving North and South is dwindling fast.

Essentially, the "low cost of living" that is associated with Texas is a product of the excessive amounts of undeveloped land still available, nothing pretty soon, that won't save it. Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, Fort Worth, and El Paso all rank in the 6 largest cities in the United States, and the first five are running out of places to expand within a 60 to 90 minute driving commute (not sure on El Paso, as I've never bee ...


I'll give you Houston, but there is no problem finding something 60-90 minutes from Austin or San Antonio, that's just a total lie. Hell, you can live smack dab in the middle of San Antonio and have good schools for great price. Not to mention I am looking at some raw land about 90 minutes away for $850 an acre. I'm not from here, but I like it. And since our mayor spoke at the DNC, it's not a redneck city, hell the population is mostly Hispanic. With some very attractive ladies. The weather is nice, the city is very laid back, and it's business friendly. My company chose to stay here when building our new headquarters, and we're a 5,000 employee IT company. IT is a huge growth area in Austin and San Antonio.

There are a lot of really fat people. Ill give you that.
 
2013-01-08 10:58:34 PM
But, but President Community Organizer said we need to spend our way to prosperity. I'm going to go to Krispy Kreme and eat myself a 20 lb weight loss.
 
2013-01-08 11:03:04 PM

CruJones: I'll give you Houston, but there is no problem finding something 60-90 minutes from Austin or San Antonio, that's just a total lie. Hell, you can live smack dab in the middle of San Antonio and have good schools for great price. Not to mention I am looking at some raw land about 90 minutes away for $850 an acre. I'm not from here, but I like it. And since our mayor spoke at the DNC, it's not a redneck city, hell the population is mostly Hispanic. With some very attractive ladies. The weather is nice, the city is very laid back, and it's business friendly. My company chose to stay here when building our new headquarters, and we're a 5,000 employee IT company. IT is a huge growth area in Austin and San Antonio.

There are a lot of really fat people. Ill give you that.


Duude, its San Antonio. Thats like saying China is "mostly Chinese". Texas has a huge amount of undeveloped land, mostly with family ranches on them. My favorite thing has always been going out to family and friends ranches for hunting and whatever, sometimes just to help out. I'm pretty sure it will all be bought out before my son's my age. Public Domain laws in Texas scare the hell out of some of them.
 
2013-01-08 11:10:13 PM

ghare: And California will be running a surplus next year after RAISING taxes!


Bwha ha ha ha.  With the Dems in full control of the CA guv'mnt CA is totally farked for the next 2 years.  Even if the Dems weren't in charge, the combination of taxes and regulations will keep our economy from growing.
 
2013-01-08 11:37:07 PM
Who knew that government was in business to turn a profit?
 
2013-01-08 11:48:01 PM
Waiting for the but-hurt comments from farkers that are pissed that a republican controlled state is doing great.

/shiat, too late
 
Rat
2013-01-09 12:09:04 AM
Hey, Cru Jones,

There are a lot of really fat people. Ill give you that.

© Fluffy. The term is Fluffy.
 
2013-01-09 12:48:31 AM
Yes, but they ended up being Texas. Seriously, if the goal is to be Texas, why have government at all?
 
HBK
2013-01-09 01:21:07 AM

mtx1234: HBK: you have pee hands: Watubi: They should use the surplus to buy every Texan a gun

That sounds like socialism to me.

Why would we each need two guns?

Ya got two hands, doncha?


I shot the other one off in a hunting accident.
 
2013-01-09 02:59:49 AM

MaliFinn: Yes, but they ended up being Texas. Seriously, if the goal is to be Texas, why have government at all?


It's doing better than most states and the entire south. I never saw living in urban Texas as all that different from any other urban area. The rural and suburban folks still run the politics though, that's the real problem.
 
HBK
2013-01-09 03:01:38 AM
Speaking of Justified, what's up with that bag they found in Arlo's old house?
 
2013-01-09 04:02:04 AM

Theaetetus: fartacus: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

45th in the nation on spending to get 12th in the nation on education results... that sounds like good value to me.

Ignorant and dependent, just like the Democrat's like 'em...

Except that those "overall" results that Texas ranks 12th in are a combination of "performance" where they're below average or near failing in every category, and "standards" where they're at the top. This means:
1) They're not living up to their own standards, which can't be good value by anyone's definition.
2) Using standards as part of your metric artificially inflates failing statistics. If your state high school graduation rate is at 40% but you have "standards" that say you want a 100% graduation rate, you can't combine those to say you have an average of 70%.


Out of curiousity, do you have a better metric (with statistics)? I wasn't aware of much to compare against.
 
2013-01-09 08:26:07 AM

markie_farkie: Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


True.

tnpir: You would think the Texas Legislature might move some of this money back into the education fund they cut the shiat out of last time around, but more likely they'll find away to funnel all of it to Rick Perry's friends and cohorts, then insist on cutting another $5 billion out of education and spending most of their time throwing tantrums about Planned Parenthood.

The government in this state makes me want to beat the shiat out of something.


So very true.

Oil and gas revenue keeps this batshiat place afloat. You can get away with epic jackassery when you've got money.
 
2013-01-09 08:27:15 AM
Texas taking federal dollars: Why not, if they're handing it out. Did anyone see that AIG is considering suing the government? The justification for taking money from the government is as easy as finding a legal path to do so.

Sure, Texas has a crap education system. Every state can be found lacking in at least one critical area that could be fixed with some extra cash.

Take free money from the federal government. Adopt a sales tax in your state. Encourage spending. Run a budget surplus. Then we can truly criticize Texas budget surplus without it sounding like envy. Bunch of Tex-o-phobes
 
2013-01-09 10:07:49 AM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


i'm a texas native, and the schools i went to were funded by oil companies; my high school had two doctors on staff that were chemical engineers at the plant, but taught chemistry and biology in the school. That school was flush with cash and had really good equipment, facilities, and teachers.
 
2013-01-09 10:34:51 AM

someonelse: [i2.cdnds.net image 618x428]

"Oh, sh*t, it's a piggy bank!"


Came for Justified, left justified in my coming here for Justified.
 
2013-01-09 10:40:13 AM

meatofmystery: Two KLF references in this thread! Awesome


No need to upset the apple cart. The Dealy Lama is pleased.
 
2013-01-09 01:31:16 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Proud auditors of Enron.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:41 PM
The mental healthcare spending cut is only a year or so old (though I admit it was ridiculous) and I believe they already have an appropriation bill on the table re-funding it. The school spending cut was pretty terrible though, no way around that. Somehow every teacher I knew in Texas kept their jobs though.

Also why all the hate on Texas here? It really is a pretty decent state. People are nice here. Crime is pretty low. Lots of jobs. Cheap houses. Good Universities. Great industries. And a lot more blue/open minded than people realize (look up Houston's Mayor or just go to Austin sometime.)

Dallas is literally hell though.
 
2013-01-09 05:30:49 PM

markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.


Not a perfect post Adolf. Nearly an outright lie.

While TX may be 45th in spending the are 12th in education. Sounds like they are doing many things right.
 
2013-01-09 05:47:40 PM

pdee: markie_farkie: At what cost?

Texas' education spending is ranked 45th in the nation, and dead last on mental healthcare spending.

Crazy and stupid, just like the GOP likes 'em.

Not a perfect post Adolf. Nearly an outright lie.

While TX may be 45th in spending the are 12th in education. Sounds like they are doing many things right.


There will be no facts here, just liberal zingers and backslaps.
 
2013-01-09 08:45:13 PM

Necronic: Dallas is literally hell though.


Says the guy from Houston.
 
HBK
2013-01-10 04:56:52 AM

TheJoe03: Necronic: Dallas is literally hell though.

Says the guy from Houston.


As a guy who's lived for more than 2 years in each, Houston is better than Dallas in the following categories:

* Less snooty people
* Better restaurants
* Better private schools
* Less corrupt local government
* Less violent crimes (pre-Katrina, I don't really know about now)

Dallas is better than Houston in the following categories:

* Less traffic
* More compact CBD (ties in with less traffic)
* Better housing (better neighborhoods and structures) closer to CBD
* Weather- cold when it's supposed to be, not sweltering with 100% humidity throughout the summer

I prefer Houston over Dallas.
 
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