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2013-01-08 04:29:21 PM
...some people grieving after a bereavement could soon be diagnosed with depression...
...not all those who might have been diagnosed with Asperger's would meet autism criteria...
Some have experienced a diagnosable mental illness in the past year. How this figure will now change is unclear - for the most part the implications for rates of diagnosis haven't been studied.


So we have a tiny amount of evidence leaning both ways, an admitted dearth of actual studies and two professors.  Cue the sensational headline!
 
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2013-01-08 04:39:29 PM
I've noticed that Subby.  I don't think it has anything to do with diagnostic guidelines though.
 
2013-01-08 04:42:35 PM
i.huffpost.com
 
2013-01-08 04:46:48 PM
There are also more of us than ever, in general. So how will the percentage change?

Some 20 per cent of US citizens have experienced a diagnosable mental illness in the past year. How this figure will now change is unclear

www.readthesmiths.com
 
2013-01-08 05:00:51 PM
probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"
 
2013-01-08 05:13:27 PM
One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one.
 
2013-01-08 05:18:29 PM

BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"


Well, you probably have something to worry about in that regard.
 
2013-01-08 05:35:53 PM
I've prided myself on always being ahead of the curve
 
2013-01-08 05:42:25 PM
....which will inevitably lead to an unprecedented of mental illness diagnoses that will eventually force the APA to shamefacedly re-examine its classification criteria.


I'm okay with this.
 
2013-01-08 05:43:01 PM

Apos: ....which will inevitably lead to an unprecedented wave of mental illness diagnoses that will eventually force the APA to shamefacedly re-examine its classification criteria.


I'm okay with this.

 
2013-01-08 06:14:19 PM
Wow, a greater number of customers for already misunderstoof and abuse anti-depressant medication.  It'll save depression from being properly address and treated.
 
2013-01-08 06:14:46 PM
Hey, those pharmaceutical stocks aren't going to skyrocket by themselves.
 
2013-01-08 06:15:01 PM

Gwendolyn: One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one.


THIS. Functional impairment should be the primary trigger for a diagnosis. If the person is still able to function, and he or she is ok with that level, who the hell am I to give a diagnosis? I have problems with the DSM-IVTR to begin with, but from what I've seen with the DSM5, I'm not looking forward to it. Sloppy research, sloppy science, and sloppy diagnostic criteria are going to make things worse for everyone involved, including those who will line their pockets in the short term. Pathologize all you want, but eventually people are going to stop listening.
 
2013-01-08 06:25:34 PM

BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"


If people like you gave have as much of a shiat about the rest of the rights as you did the second the world would be a much better place. now begone, troll.
 
2013-01-08 06:52:29 PM

I'm an Egyptian!: THIS. Functional impairment should be the primary trigger for a diagnosis. If the person is still able to function, and he or she is ok with that level, who the hell am I to give a diagnosis? I have problems with the DSM-IVTR to begin with, but from what I've seen with the DSM5, I'm not looking forward to it. Sloppy research, sloppy science, and sloppy diagnostic criteria are going to make things worse for everyone involved, including those who will line their pockets in the short term. Pathologize all you want, but eventually people are going to stop listening.


Only in very rare and extreme cases is anyone forced into taking drugs for mental illness. The rest of the time treatment is voluntary.

Example:

I have ADD. I take meds. They help. I could choose to stop taking them, but I prefer them, because they help with my problem. Now, I could easily argue that my "ADD" is due to how the rest of society operates, and that in some magical theoretical alternate world the social systems and such would be built with me in mind and I would have an "illness", I could just be free to be me.

Or, I could accept that I am not a special snowflake, the world doesn't owe me sh*t, and I better get with the program if I want a decent job, house, etc. So, I take the pills.

/legal and cheap access to amphetamines is awesome, btw
 
2013-01-08 06:54:09 PM

Sid_6.7: I wouldn't have an "illness"


FTFM
 
2013-01-08 07:15:59 PM

BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"


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lolwut? Just check the box that says "No"
 
2013-01-08 07:18:48 PM

cretinbob: BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"

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lolwut? Just check the box that says "No"


To be fair, stupid is still not classified as a mental illness.
 
2013-01-08 07:19:29 PM

Gwendolyn: One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one. blame the people who want to be paid for existing


So are you really suggesting an insurance company should hand out money when there isn't a diagnosis? Just anyone can tell them "I feel I have ____ give me money"?

How about blame all the people who think they have all these disorders when they really don't. If anything, forcing people to verify they really have a disorder before paying for meds is actually reducing them number of people with trumped up disorders.
 
2013-01-08 07:19:34 PM
It doesn't really work that way. Unless you'd like everyone to go through mandatory mental health assessments for no particular reason.
 
2013-01-08 07:19:54 PM
Thorazine cake for everyone!
 
2013-01-08 07:20:22 PM

BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"


If you're serious, I might be fine with flat out institutionalizing you.
 
2013-01-08 07:22:19 PM

BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"


Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you your 20%.
 
2013-01-08 07:23:31 PM

taurusowner: Gwendolyn: One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one. blame the people who want to be paid for existing

So are you really suggesting an insurance company should hand out money when there isn't a diagnosis? Just anyone can tell them "I feel I have ____ give me money"?

How about blame all the people who think they have all these disorders when they really don't. If anything, forcing people to verify they really have a disorder before paying for meds is actually reducing them number of people with trumped up disorders.


But claiming to be bipolar is all the fashion now! Everyone is doing it! Bipolar is the new black.
 
2013-01-08 07:24:39 PM
Medical marijuana for everyone!
 
2013-01-08 07:26:30 PM

TerminalEchoes: taurusowner: Gwendolyn: One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one. blame the people who want to be paid for existing

So are you really suggesting an insurance company should hand out money when there isn't a diagnosis? Just anyone can tell them "I feel I have ____ give me money"?

How about blame all the people who think they have all these disorders when they really don't. If anything, forcing people to verify they really have a disorder before paying for meds is actually reducing them number of people with trumped up disorders.

But claiming to be bipolar is all the fashion now! Everyone is doing it! Bipolar is the new black.


Surely that should be "Bipolar is the new Asperger's."
 
2013-01-08 07:27:59 PM

Sid_6.7: I'm an Egyptian!: THIS. Functional impairment should be the primary trigger for a diagnosis. If the person is still able to function, and he or she is ok with that level, who the hell am I to give a diagnosis? I have problems with the DSM-IVTR to begin with, but from what I've seen with the DSM5, I'm not looking forward to it. Sloppy research, sloppy science, and sloppy diagnostic criteria are going to make things worse for everyone involved, including those who will line their pockets in the short term. Pathologize all you want, but eventually people are going to stop listening.

Only in very rare and extreme cases is anyone forced into taking drugs for mental illness. The rest of the time treatment is voluntary.

Example:

I have ADD. I take meds. They help. I could choose to stop taking them, but I prefer them, because they help with my problem. Now, I could easily argue that my "ADD" is due to how the rest of society operates, and that in some magical theoretical alternate world the social systems and such would be built with me in mind and I would have an "illness", I could just be free to be me.

Or, I could accept that I am not a special snowflake, the world doesn't owe me sh*t, and I better get with the program if I want a decent job, house, etc. So, I take the pills.

/legal and cheap access to amphetamines is awesome, btw


You'd never make it as a transgender.
 
2013-01-08 07:28:42 PM
If it doesn't fark with your life, it's not a disorder. That's the (simplified) cutoff point for being a real case of OCD or depression.
 
2013-01-08 07:29:17 PM
So, a professional organization is redefining their guildlines to create larger groups that need their services. Nah, there is nothing fishy about ever expanding definitions! That's crazy talk, I might need to seek some type of "mental health" service now. Must be nice to work in a field where you can just redefine the problem and create more business. But don't worry brain docs, nobody cares enough to stop you guys from pumping our kids full of pharmaceuticals. Your profits are safe.

//Is cynicism a mental illness? I'm guessing the responses I get will tell me.
 
2013-01-08 07:29:22 PM
What a convenient way to take away civil rights. You know who else used "mental illness" to squash his opponents and control the population?
 
2013-01-08 07:29:48 PM

BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"


10/10

Nicely done. You'll get a lot more bites before this thread is over too.
 
2013-01-08 07:30:59 PM
So "Restless Leg Syndrome" and "Taco Neck Syndrome" will be covered by health care now?
What about CDO? It's just like OCD, but you have to put everything in alphabetical order.
How about "Bi-Curious Polar Disorder"?
Or Schizophrenology?
Anxiety Order
Anorexia Nirvana
Anterograde Amnesia Anterograde
Gender Secret Identity Disorder
Master Gunnery Sergeant Major Depressive Disorder
70's Retro Grade Amnesia
 
2013-01-08 07:31:24 PM

Gwendolyn: One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one.


So much this. All my professors who also practiced freely admitted they often lied about suicidal tendencies and the like because they had to come up with a diagnosis within the first freaking session and it had to fit into an overly defined set of criteria for their patients to get help.
 
2013-01-08 07:32:31 PM
I can believe it. I mean, look at the folks in this thread claiming conspiracy - you can't swing a tinfoil-covered-cat these days without hitting a whacko.
 
2013-01-08 07:33:08 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Wow, a greater number of customers for already misunderstoof and abuse anti-depressant medication.  It'll save depression from being properly address and treated.


The solution to over-diagnosis of those drugs isn't to redefine mental illnesses in order to make sure fewer people get their symptoms and problems recognized, it is to stop letting general practitioners prescribe them to patients who show up once every few months and say "yup, I'm still not happy".
 
2013-01-08 07:34:43 PM

matthew_tray: BravadoGT: probably designed to deny people their 2nd amendment rights due to "mental illness"

10/10

Nicely done. You'll get a lot more bites before this thread is over too.


People telling an idiot/troll that he is an idiot and/or a troll doesn't really count as a "bite" does it?
 
2013-01-08 07:35:53 PM
I just have a minor edible complex.

digitalpolyphony.webs.com
 
2013-01-08 07:36:01 PM

Lumpmoose: How this figure will now change is unclear - for the most part the implications for rates of diagnosis haven't been studied.


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How this figure will now change is unclear - for the most part the implications for rates of diagnosis haven't been studied.

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How this figure will now change is unclear - for the most part the implications for rates of diagnosis haven't been studied.

2.bp.blogspot.com

How this figure will now change is unclear - for the most part the implications for rates of diagnosis haven't been studied.
 
2013-01-08 07:36:08 PM
I've been a little depressed since they removed "sex addiction" from the official list. I'll keep buggering on, though.
 
2013-01-08 07:39:11 PM

Smackledorfer: matthew_tray:
People telling an idiot/troll that he is an idiot and/or a troll doesn't really count as a "bite" does it?


It does. Any attention they get counts.
 
2013-01-08 07:40:19 PM

I'm an Egyptian!: Gwendolyn: One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one.

THIS. Functional impairment should be the primary trigger for a diagnosis. If the person is still able to function, and he or she is ok with that level, who the hell am I to give a diagnosis? I have problems with the DSM-IVTR to begin with, but from what I've seen with the DSM5, I'm not looking forward to it. Sloppy research, sloppy science, and sloppy diagnostic criteria are going to make things worse for everyone involved, including those who will line their pockets in the short term. Pathologize all you want, but eventually people are going to stop listening.


It's TMI time for the sake of an argument/discussion.
I know I'm depressed. Have been for some time, not happy, and a great deal of the majority of the time I simply wish I didn't exist. However, I could never hurt my self because I know how devastating it would be to my mother and best friend. Unfortunately, often that's the only thing holding me back.
Regardless, I still function. Go to work, take care of business. Just finished 5 years at my job.
So I'm not sure whether to say I would fall under the 'ill' category or not.  I suppose there's a bit more to it, but that's the bare bones gist of it.
So how important is it that one still functions as expected by society. At least outwardly.
 
2013-01-08 07:41:03 PM
Is "chronic masturbation" on the list?
 
2013-01-08 07:41:09 PM
Some 20 per cent of US citizens have experienced a diagnosable mental illness in the past year.

I find that hard to believe. Just go outside every once in a while. I would guess 50-60% of people have a diagnosable mental illness right now.
 
2013-01-08 07:45:03 PM
So everyone is now mentally ill with the exception of men who rub their faces or dongs in shiat. that's mighty fine psychiatric work there, Luann.
 
2013-01-08 07:45:04 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm an Egyptian!: Gwendolyn: One of the most important things for ANY disorder is whether or not you feel distressed by it or it prevents you from functioning in society. If you are fine, you are still fine. If you want someone to blame for all the diagnosing blame insurance companies. They won't pay for therapy without one.

THIS. Functional impairment should be the primary trigger for a diagnosis. If the person is still able to function, and he or she is ok with that level, who the hell am I to give a diagnosis? I have problems with the DSM-IVTR to begin with, but from what I've seen with the DSM5, I'm not looking forward to it. Sloppy research, sloppy science, and sloppy diagnostic criteria are going to make things worse for everyone involved, including those who will line their pockets in the short term. Pathologize all you want, but eventually people are going to stop listening.

It's TMI time for the sake of an argument/discussion.
I know I'm depressed. Have been for some time, not happy, and a great deal of the majority of the time I simply wish I didn't exist. However, I could never hurt my self because I know how devastating it would be to my mother and best friend. Unfortunately, often that's the only thing holding me back.
Regardless, I still function. Go to work, take care of business. Just finished 5 years at my job.
So I'm not sure whether to say I would fall under the 'ill' category or not.  I suppose there's a bit more to it, but that's the bare bones gist of it.
So how important is it that one still functions as expected by society. At least outwardly.


Is the "depression" causing you distress? It's either impairment or distress.
 
2013-01-08 07:47:15 PM
I was unhappy when my mom considered me to be "ill" because she's a social butterfly and I'm...exactly the opposite. The shrink said it's Schizoid Personality Disorder. I say, I'm happy not being sociable. It's not interfering with my life, I have a husband, three kids and a job I enjoy. It's just that outside of those few relationships, I dislike being with other people.

I don't consider myself ill, even if the DSM does.
 
2013-01-08 07:47:17 PM
TFA doesn't mean shiat if you can't get quality treatment. As somebody that has lived with a mental illness since being diagnosed in the early 80's I can attest to the fact that this country sucks major ass when it comes to quality, affordable treatment.
 
2013-01-08 07:47:40 PM

foo monkey: I just have a minor edible complex.

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SHUT UP TED.
 
2013-01-08 07:48:37 PM

Jim_Callahan: To be fair, stupid is still not classified as a mental illness.


He has ADHD, is on medication for it, and was also on a couple anxiolytics.
 
2013-01-08 07:50:53 PM
Alternately Subby, we are all pretty mentally ill and diagnosis is catching up with that. I don't know if that is true, but looking around at the crazy people I know or encounter every day, I think mental illness is more prevalent than we are comfortable admitting.
 
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