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2013-01-08 02:13:32 PM  
b-b-but Fukashima.
 
2013-01-08 02:27:39 PM  
Y'know, I don't own a Prius, and don't want one, so I have no personal axe to grind on this issue, but the "smug" meme was kinda worn out by about a month after it started, and in the real world it bears little or no basis in reality.  You might want to use something other than South Park as the frame of reference for your view of the world, Subby.
 
2013-01-08 03:48:35 PM  

Cyberluddite: Y'know, I don't own a Prius, and don't want one, so I have no personal axe to grind on this issue, but the "smug" meme was kinda worn out by about a month after it started, and in the real world it bears little or no basis in reality.  You might want to use something other than South Park as the frame of reference for your view of the world, Subby.


I don't know, it's still kind of funny.  Though if someone bought me a Prius, I'd gladly drive it.  Too rich for my blood, I don't see enough long term savings to warrant the price.  But whatever, I don't knock them.

/not subby, just sayin lighten up francis
 
2013-01-08 04:12:12 PM  
I think it's interesting that 3 of the past 4 years the leader in recalls has been Toyota. Last year's winner: Honda. But keep complaining about the quality of American cars, everyone.
 
2013-01-08 04:25:35 PM  
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2013-01-08 04:46:06 PM  

Cyberluddite: Y'know, I don't own a Prius, and don't want one, so I have no personal axe to grind on this issue, but the "smug" meme was kinda worn out by about a month after it started, and in the real world it bears little or no basis in reality.  You might want to use something other than South Park as the frame of reference for your view of the world, Subby.


^^^^^^^^
 
2013-01-08 05:34:11 PM  
Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?
 
2013-01-08 05:50:44 PM  

Carth: Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?


It's really a great way to save money in the long term if you can get one for free. I don't know why everyone makes fun of them so much.
 
2013-01-08 05:57:11 PM  
Submitter: Toyota returnssurges forward to #1 automaker in US....for recalls. Prius drivers unable to read this headline through cloud of smugness

FTFY, Subby
 
2013-01-08 05:58:15 PM  
Cyberluddite: Y'know, I don't own a Prius, and don't want one, so I have no personal axe to grind on this issue, but the "smug" meme was kinda worn out by about a month after it started, and in the real world it bears little or no basis in reality. You might want to use something other than South Park as the frame of reference for your view of the world, Subby.

South Park? You might want to stop blaming South Park as a frame of reference. Some of us are much more refined than that.

carwoo.com

Larry: I waved to a guy in a Prius and he didn't wave back.

Jeff: I don't wave to people in the same car as me.

Larry: We're Prius drivers; we're a special breed.
 
2013-01-08 06:16:12 PM  
My issue with Prius owners is not their smugness.

My issue is they seem to be the worst freaking drivers on the road. I have no idea why they all seem to drive so badly. I don't know if the nature of the car makes the drivers drive slower in an effort to save more gas, but whenever there's one slowpoke holding up traffic all around them, it seems to be a Prius.
 
2013-01-08 06:22:07 PM  

StrandedInAZ: My issue with Prius owners is not their smugness.

My issue is they seem to be the worst freaking drivers on the road. I have no idea why they all seem to drive so badly. I don't know if the nature of the car makes the drivers drive slower in an effort to save more gas, but whenever there's one slowpoke holding up traffic all around them, it seems to be a Prius.



THIS. They all seem to drive like hypermiling is something we want to get stuck behind.
 
2013-01-08 06:24:22 PM  
Serious question--anyone out there have a 2012 Camry? I'm looking at the hybrid for April or May. Wondering if you had any problems.

Currently have a 2002 Camry with 186,000 miles and really like it.
 
2013-01-08 06:36:27 PM  

fickenchucker: Serious question--anyone out there have a 2012 Camry? I'm looking at the hybrid for April or May. Wondering if you had any problems.

Currently have a 2002 Camry with 186,000 miles and really like it.


I know two people who have the Camry hybrids (well, I'm not sure if they're both 2012 models--one may be a 2011).  They both love them.  YMMV, of course.
 
2013-01-08 06:58:27 PM  
Prius drivers unable to read headline because they were mashed to a greasy paste in small overlap frontal crash tests.
 
2013-01-08 06:59:35 PM  

fickenchucker: THIS. They all seem to drive like hypermiling is something we want to get stuck behind.


Nice to know I'm not the only one who's noticed this.
 
2013-01-08 07:00:56 PM  
Another good reason to skip the Toyotas. They're not doing well on crash testing this year.

It's apparently a new test, but other cars have passed it.
 
2013-01-08 07:01:44 PM  
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-crash-test-fail-camry-p rius-v-20121219,0,7407803.story

Link that was supposed to be included in my comment above.
 
2013-01-08 07:13:21 PM  
I would think about getting one when they make a prius that gets the same MPG as my golf tdi.
 
2013-01-08 07:25:15 PM  

ricewater_stool: I think it's interesting that 3 of the past 4 years the leader in recalls has been Toyota. Last year's winner: Honda. But keep complaining about the quality of American cars, everyone.


Are we talking about required recalls, or just tallying them all up?  My Honda Fit has been subjected to several recalls now, all of them proactive, voluntary "if part X is a max tolerance in a certain configuration AND gets drenched with water there's a chance of water intrusion causing a short possibly resulting in fire" sort of thing.  It's more about failure mode than MTTF and I pretty much sat on the notices until I had some repair work to do; they were so trivial.

The fact that my car has been recalled several times hasn't remotely dented my confidence in its quality, but that's because I actually read the damn things instead of freaking out.
 
2013-01-08 07:31:02 PM  

StrandedInAZ: My issue with Prius owners is not their smugness.

My issue is they seem to be the worst freaking drivers on the road. I have no idea why they all seem to drive so badly. I don't know if the nature of the car makes the drivers drive slower in an effort to save more gas, but whenever there's one slowpoke holding up traffic all around them, it seems to be a Prius.


QFT. The cars have no acceleration, and god help you if you are entering a highway and one is on the ramp in front of you. I have to slow down more than them to give myself space to accelerate to highway speeds.
 
2013-01-08 07:42:28 PM  

ohokyeah: Another good reason to skip the Toyotas. They're not doing well on crash testing this year.

It's apparently a new test, but other cars have passed it.


This is what happens when you engineer a car to pass a test, instead of engineering a car to be safe. The IIHS introduced a new test, and the folks who engineered cars to ensure the safety of the occupants passed, while those who engineered cars to ensure they passed the existing IIHS tests failed.

In Toyota's case, though, they're the worst performers on the new test. From the IIHS article:

One nameplate they won't find is Toyota. The Camry, which is the top-selling midsize car in the United States, and the Prius v, a 4-door hybrid wagon, earn poor ratings for small overlap protection and are the worst performers of the midsize group. The Camry was redesigned for 2012, and the Prius v was an all-new model for 2012.

The Camry and Prius v illustrate what can go wrong in a small overlap crash, despite good ratings in IIHS tests that qualify the cars for Top Safety Pick.


Toyota's dead last in the midsize group. Emphasis on "dead."
 
2013-01-08 07:46:14 PM  

StrandedInAZ: My issue with Prius owners is not their smugness.

My issue is they seem to be the worst freaking drivers on the road. I have no idea why they all seem to drive so badly. I don't know if the nature of the car makes the drivers drive slower in an effort to save more gas, but whenever there's one slowpoke holding up traffic all around them, it seems to be a Prius.


Same here. Of course I'm rolling in my SRT-8 Charger.
 
2013-01-08 07:54:28 PM  

FormlessOne: ohokyeah: Another good reason to skip the Toyotas. They're not doing well on crash testing this year.

It's apparently a new test, but other cars have passed it.

This is what happens when you engineer a car to pass a test, instead of engineering a car to be safe. The IIHS introduced a new test, and the folks who engineered cars to ensure the safety of the occupants passed, while those who engineered cars to ensure they passed the existing IIHS tests failed.

In Toyota's case, though, they're the worst performers on the new test. From the IIHS article:

One nameplate they won't find is Toyota. The Camry, which is the top-selling midsize car in the United States, and the Prius v, a 4-door hybrid wagon, earn poor ratings for small overlap protection and are the worst performers of the midsize group. The Camry was redesigned for 2012, and the Prius v was an all-new model for 2012.

The Camry and Prius v illustrate what can go wrong in a small overlap crash, despite good ratings in IIHS tests that qualify the cars for Top Safety Pick.

Toyota's dead last in the midsize group. Emphasis on "dead."


Yet Consumer Reports can't stop sucking Toyota's dick.
 
2013-01-08 08:40:59 PM  

ricewater_stool: I think it's interesting that 3 of the past 4 years the leader in recalls has been Toyota. Last year's winner: Honda. But keep complaining about the quality of American cars, everyone.


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2013-01-08 09:00:42 PM  
I got a P1 because a friend of mine (who survived) was in the Pentagon when it was hit. The reason we have all that warfare in the middle east is because the Texas oil millionaires running the country want unfettered access to their oil reserves. IIRC most of the guys who plotted the 9/11 incident were Saudis. So, I decided to do what I could to send less of my money to blowing people up.

I'd say "angry" not "smug".
 
2013-01-08 09:19:03 PM  
I work for a Toyota supplier/subsidiary. Our quality is top-notch, but Toyota has some seriously farked-up hoops we have to jump through. PITA.
 
2013-01-08 09:22:22 PM  

Tourney3p0: Carth: Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?

It's really a great way to save money in the long term if you can get one for free. I don't know why everyone makes fun of them so much.


Or...you could spend 50% of the cost of a Prius on a Civic and get 50% better mileage. The Prius shares a demographic with Apple.It's to aid smug, idiotic hipsters in their delusion that they're "making a difference."
 
2013-01-08 09:44:12 PM  

Carousel Beast: Tourney3p0: Carth: Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?

It's really a great way to save money in the long term if you can get one for free. I don't know why everyone makes fun of them so much.

Or...you could spend 50% of the cost of a Prius on a Civic and get 50% better mileage. The Prius shares a demographic with Apple.It's to aid smug, idiotic hipsters in their delusion that they're "making a difference."


I hate to defend the hipster community, but hipsters drive Volvo 240s and early 80s diesel Mercedes.  You're thinking of suburbanites.  Priuses are extremely uncool.  Suburbanites are extremely uncool.  I think the latter leads to the former.
 
2013-01-08 09:45:32 PM  
I suppose they could just leave the defective cars on the road until they blow up and kill people.

That's the American way.
 
2013-01-08 09:54:27 PM  

Carousel Beast: Tourney3p0: Carth: Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?

It's really a great way to save money in the long term if you can get one for free. I don't know why everyone makes fun of them so much.

Or...you could spend 50% of the cost of a Prius on a Civic and get 50% better mileage. The Prius shares a demographic with Apple.It's to aid smug, idiotic hipsters in their delusion that they're "making a difference."


A similarly equipped civic costs $24k, has less cargo space and gets under 40 MPG. The Prius costs 25k, has a hatchback and gets 50 MPG. Sure if you don't care about size or features you can get a $19k civic but why not just buy a $13k Kia at that point.
 
2013-01-08 09:55:48 PM  

FormlessOne: ohokyeah: Another good reason to skip the Toyotas. They're not doing well on crash testing this year.

It's apparently a new test, but other cars have passed it.

This is what happens when you engineer a car to pass a test, instead of engineering a car to be safe. The IIHS introduced a new test, and the folks who engineered cars to ensure the safety of the occupants passed, while those who engineered cars to ensure they passed the existing IIHS tests failed.

In Toyota's case, though, they're the worst performers on the new test. From the IIHS article:

One nameplate they won't find is Toyota. The Camry, which is the top-selling midsize car in the United States, and the Prius v, a 4-door hybrid wagon, earn poor ratings for small overlap protection and are the worst performers of the midsize group. The Camry was redesigned for 2012, and the Prius v was an all-new model for 2012.

The Camry and Prius v illustrate what can go wrong in a small overlap crash, despite good ratings in IIHS tests that qualify the cars for Top Safety Pick.

Toyota's dead last in the midsize group. Emphasis on "dead."


What is Toyota's safety rating in real world crash data?
 
2013-01-08 09:58:33 PM  
At 150,000 miles on it, with regular oil changes and minimal maintenance, my 2004 Carolla still gets about 33 mpg. I think my most expensive single issue was a new set of tires. I don't know if I happened to buy the last good year, or what, but I love my Toyota.
 
2013-01-08 10:09:13 PM  

ricewater_stool: I think it's interesting that 3 of the past 4 years the leader in recalls has been Toyota. Last year's winner: Honda. But keep complaining about the quality of American cars, everyone.


Or, Honda and Toyota care more about their customers and so do more recalls than American auto manufacturers. I think this is probably true.

American cars suck. All of this "American cars are BACK!" nonsense that we've been hearing for the past 5 years or so is nothing more than propaganda. Seriously.
 
2013-01-08 10:12:52 PM  

realmolo: ricewater_stool: I think it's interesting that 3 of the past 4 years the leader in recalls has been Toyota. Last year's winner: Honda. But keep complaining about the quality of American cars, everyone.

Or, Honda and Toyota care more about their customers and so do more recalls than American auto manufacturers. I think this is probably true.

American cars suck. All of this "American cars are BACK!" nonsense that we've been hearing for the past 5 years or so is nothing more than propaganda. Seriously.


"American cars are BACK" has been a thing for about 30 years.

Who can forget the 1983 Chevy Celebrity.  The car no imports can match!  http://jalopnik.com/5909848/chevy-celebrity-was-the-sedan-no-import-c o uld-match
 
2013-01-08 10:21:26 PM  

Carth: Carousel Beast: Tourney3p0: Carth: Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?

It's really a great way to save money in the long term if you can get one for free. I don't know why everyone makes fun of them so much.

Or...you could spend 50% of the cost of a Prius on a Civic and get 50% better mileage. The Prius shares a demographic with Apple.It's to aid smug, idiotic hipsters in their delusion that they're "making a difference."

A similarly equipped civic costs $24k, has less cargo space and gets under 40 MPG. The Prius costs 25k, has a hatchback and gets 50 MPG. Sure if you don't care about size or features you can get a $19k civic but why not just buy a $13k Kia at that point.


25k is a stipped-down Prius (http://www.toyota.com/priusv/trims-prices.html). Here in TN you can get the baseline Civic for 16k - the premiere dealership in Nashville starts about 17k (Link); 24k will get a you pretty well tricked out SI model Civic (I own one). If you're talking a ~10k difference in price, that's in excess of 3,000 gallons of gas just in the purchase price,m if you pay cash up front (most don't, but too many variables if you include financing, which the more expensive Prius is going to lose on anyway); that's 120,000 miles of travel (3ish bucks a gallon gas, 40mpg). The insurance and maintenance will be significantly less than the Civic. Resale will be easier with the Civic.

The Prius is a niche car with a niche audience. It brings nothing to the table other than a psychological projection to let the dealer separate $$$ from the mark buyer. For utility, I certainly didn't need an SI model Civic, but it does have much better handling than a baseline model.
 
2013-01-08 10:35:04 PM  

Carousel Beast: Carth: Carousel Beast: Tourney3p0: Carth: Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?

It's really a great way to save money in the long term if you can get one for free. I don't know why everyone makes fun of them so much.

Or...you could spend 50% of the cost of a Prius on a Civic and get 50% better mileage. The Prius shares a demographic with Apple.It's to aid smug, idiotic hipsters in their delusion that they're "making a difference."

A similarly equipped civic costs $24k, has less cargo space and gets under 40 MPG. The Prius costs 25k, has a hatchback and gets 50 MPG. Sure if you don't care about size or features you can get a $19k civic but why not just buy a $13k Kia at that point.

25k is a stipped-down Prius (http://www.toyota.com/priusv/trims-prices.html). Here in TN you can get the baseline Civic for 16k - the premiere dealership in Nashville starts about 17k (Link); 24k will get a you pretty well tricked out SI model Civic (I own one). If you're talking a ~10k difference in price, that's in excess of 3,000 gallons of gas just in the purchase price,m if you pay cash up front (most don't, but too many variables if you include financing, which the more expensive Prius is going to lose on anyway); that's 120,000 miles of travel (3ish bucks a gallon gas, 40mpg). The insurance and maintenance will be significantly less than the Civic. Resale will be easier with the Civic.

The Prius is a niche car with a niche audience. It brings nothing to the table other than a psychological projection to let the dealer separate $$$ from the mark buyer. For utility, I certainly didn't need an SI model Civic, but it does have much better handling than a baseline model.


Prices must be very different than in here in north east. I wasn't able to find any Civic Sedan with navigation for under 20k. Even that had a tiny trunk compared to the Prius. The Honda fit on the other hand was a great car and I'd buy it if i drove in the city often.
 
2013-01-08 11:06:01 PM  

89 Stick-Up Kid: I would think about getting one when they make a prius that gets the same MPG as my golf tdi.


Except VW's farking suck.

FARKING SUCK.

I've owned three. I'd never drive another one, even if it was a gift. POS's.

dragonchild: ricewater_stool: I think it's interesting that 3 of the past 4 years the leader in recalls has been Toyota. Last year's winner: Honda. But keep complaining about the quality of American cars, everyone.

Are we talking about required recalls, or just tallying them all up? My Honda Fit has been subjected to several recalls now, all of them proactive, voluntary "if part X is a max tolerance in a certain configuration AND gets drenched with water there's a chance of water intrusion causing a short possibly resulting in fire" sort of thing. It's more about failure mode than MTTF and I pretty much sat on the notices until I had some repair work to do; they were so trivial.

The fact that my car has been recalled several times hasn't remotely dented my confidence in its quality, but that's because I actually read the damn things instead of freaking out.


But it's so much easier to be a mouth breathing dipshiat who doesn't know what the fark they're talking about. More than 50% of the unintended acceleration accidents were at slow speeds and caused by the elderly, indicating it was likely that they were stepping on the gas instead of the brakes. In addition, more than one person has been busted for fraud, claiming they too suffered this issue when in fact, they hadn't.


Carth:

What is Toyota's safety rating in real world crash data?


Two very, very serious serious accidents in Toyotas in my family. They would've been fatal had we been in the car I drove at the time. We survived. There's some real world stats for you.
 
2013-01-09 12:41:45 AM  

Carth: Carousel Beast: Carth: Carousel Beast: Tourney3p0: Carth: Yea Prius owners like saving money on gas. Fark those guys right?

It's really a great way to save money in the long term if you can get one for free. I don't know why everyone makes fun of them so much.

Or...you could spend 50% of the cost of a Prius on a Civic and get 50% better mileage. The Prius shares a demographic with Apple.It's to aid smug, idiotic hipsters in their delusion that they're "making a difference."

A similarly equipped civic costs $24k, has less cargo space and gets under 40 MPG. The Prius costs 25k, has a hatchback and gets 50 MPG. Sure if you don't care about size or features you can get a $19k civic but why not just buy a $13k Kia at that point.

25k is a stipped-down Prius (http://www.toyota.com/priusv/trims-prices.html). Here in TN you can get the baseline Civic for 16k - the premiere dealership in Nashville starts about 17k (Link); 24k will get a you pretty well tricked out SI model Civic (I own one). If you're talking a ~10k difference in price, that's in excess of 3,000 gallons of gas just in the purchase price,m if you pay cash up front (most don't, but too many variables if you include financing, which the more expensive Prius is going to lose on anyway); that's 120,000 miles of travel (3ish bucks a gallon gas, 40mpg). The insurance and maintenance will be significantly less than the Civic. Resale will be easier with the Civic.

The Prius is a niche car with a niche audience. It brings nothing to the table other than a psychological projection to let the dealer separate $$$ from the mark buyer. For utility, I certainly didn't need an SI model Civic, but it does have much better handling than a baseline model.

Prices must be very different than in here in north east. I wasn't able to find any Civic Sedan with navigation for under 20k. Even that had a tiny trunk compared to the Prius. The Honda fit on the other hand was a great car and I'd buy it if i drove in the city often.


The problem is the "stripped down" Prius referenced above is for a $25K Prius V - the top end Prius that, fully loaded, runs north of $38K. The most expensive Prius C (the Four, fully loaded) is under $25K. My wife's Prius C Three was just under $23K and is basically the same as the Four, only without leather and sunroof. A no-shiat stripped down Prius is the $18K Prius C One. And all three of them are rated 53/46/50.
 
2013-01-09 12:57:19 AM  

Carousel Beast: The Prius is a niche car with a niche audience. It brings nothing to the table other than a psychological projection to let the dealer separate $$$ from the mark buyer. For utility, I certainly didn't need an SI model Civic, but it does have much better handling than a baseline model.


Oh, and that niche car with a niche audience had sales up 73% in 2012. While not selling quite like the Civic (5th highest sales in 2012), it's no slouch in the sales department at #14 for 2012, outselling the Sonata and Jetta, among others: Link
 
2013-01-09 12:59:58 AM  
I used to have a Prius. It was a cool car to own. But that's so old school for smugness . . .

Picked this baby up at the dealership a couple hours ago.
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2013-01-09 01:05:17 AM  

StrandedInAZ: My issue with Prius owners is not their smugness.

My issue is they seem to be the worst freaking drivers on the road. I have no idea why they all seem to drive so badly. I don't know if the nature of the car makes the drivers drive slower in an effort to save more gas, but whenever there's one slowpoke holding up traffic all around them, it seems to be a Prius.


Having driven some as rentals, I think the problem is that the dash display prominently shows you a real time MPG estimate, so you have Prius drivers watching that display more than they should and driving like assholes. From my experience with rentals, you can drive just about anything aggressively if you try (last summer I hauled ass in a Chevy Sonic from Atlanta to East Tennessee when I flew home for a funeral), so there is no excuse to be pokey on the road with any modern car. Even the cheap $15k small cars are packing 100 bhp or more, which is more than enough to make a small car pretty peppy. Combine that with the manual modes most new autos have, and you can drive pretty darn aggressively if you know when to throw in a manual downshift when you need a little burst of power.

On a related note, I drove from Vegas to Anaheim last Friday night, and I was getting some serious road rage on I-15. Way too many people that were lollygagging in the left lane way too long. It's called a passing lane for a reason, asshats. Those first couple hours leaving Vegas were just pure torture because everyone was driving like they were brain dead. It was one of the most annoying drives of my life.
 
2013-01-09 01:07:54 AM  
Oh, and those were US rankings. Worldwide, in the first half of 2012, the niche Prius (all variants) was #4 in cars sold. For the same period, the Civic (all variants) was #15.
 
2013-01-09 01:10:09 AM  

MrSteve007: I used to have a Prius. It was a cool car to own. But that's so old school for smugness . . .

Picked this baby up at the dealership a couple hours ago.
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(that green highlight has been on there for a while, not just because of the Leaf purchase)
 
2013-01-09 01:11:21 AM  

MrSteve007: I used to have a Prius. It was a cool car to own. But that's so old school for smugness . . .

Picked this baby up at the dealership a couple hours ago.


I don't drive a whole lot now that I'm mostly working from home, so I'd love to have something plug-in one of these days. I just wish my apartment would put in some electric charging plugs into the main parking garage. The fact that you basically need to have your own garage to use them really gets in the way of a lot of people getting plug ins that could really use them. Since I mostly just drive around town, with occasional trips to SeaTac for flights out of town for work, I really don't need a 300 mile range that often.
 
2013-01-09 01:13:54 AM  
Since we are on the topic of cars...I'm deciding between a used Honda Fit or a used Mazda3. Experiences? Thoughts? I'm looking for something with a hatchback.
 
2013-01-09 01:29:55 AM  

cmunic8r99:
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(that green highlight has been on there for a while, not just because of the Leaf purchase)


Ok, that's funny. Lol.

Mad_Radhu: MrSteve007: I used to have a Prius. It was a cool car to own. But that's so old school for smugness . . .

Picked this baby up at the dealership a couple hours ago.

I don't drive a whole lot now that I'm mostly working from home, so I'd love to have something plug-in one of these days. I just wish my apartment would put in some electric charging plugs into the main parking garage. The fact that you basically need to have your own garage to use them really gets in the way of a lot of people getting plug ins that could really use them. Since I mostly just drive around town, with occasional trips to SeaTac for flights out of town for work, I really don't need a 300 mile range that often.


Yeah, I have a 23 mile commute from Sumner to Tukwila, one way. In my truck, it costs about $3,000 a year in gas and maintenance, plus depreciation. The deal on the LEAF is a $199 month lease, $1,400 down. I can charge at home, but since I can charge at work (for free), I plan on keeping it topped off there. Ignoring reduced depreciation on the truck, and including my insurance cost bump, I end up driving a brand new car and saving a few bucks each month. I'm cool with that.
 
2013-01-09 01:45:06 AM  

Cyberluddite: Y'know, I don't own a Prius, and don't want one, so I have no personal axe to grind on this issue, but the "smug" meme was kinda worn out by about a month after it started, and in the real world it bears little or no basis in reality.  You might want to use something other than South Park as the frame of reference for your view of the world, Subby.


stayed tuned for the post where a Farker complains of not being able to easily access the linked article on their costly 4G cellular phone...
 
2013-01-09 01:46:53 AM  
I drive a 20 mpg car, on a good day it gets 20.1 mpg downhill on a highway tailgating a Mac truck.

Then again, I work three miles away and run to and from work (we have showers there, of course) about every other day.

I fill up less often than almost every prius owner I know!

How's that for smug?
 
2013-01-09 06:56:53 AM  
And yet they're still better than any American car on the road today.

Toyota: On Its Worst Day, Still Better than GM
 
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