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(Deseret News)   Deseret News answers FARK's response to their original editorial on gun violence in films. Plays "it was an attempt to spur a discussion" card, declares moral victory   (deseretnews.com) divider line 121
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2013-01-08 01:58:01 PM  
Mormons haven't need guns since the Black Hawk War.
 
2013-01-08 02:11:06 PM  
They have a point in the fact that all of the polarized discussions in the world have yet to save one kid.
 
2013-01-08 02:12:00 PM  
Deseret News: Mormon owned, Mormon approved.
 
2013-01-08 02:27:20 PM  
The comments FTA are worth clicking the link alone!
 
2013-01-08 02:38:20 PM  
Fark.com is using a common debate tactic used to discredit the other side by taking your opponents position and pushing it to an extreme or exaggerated level.

Heh heh.
 
2013-01-08 02:39:59 PM  
So I'm guessing some people took apart their argument as bullshiat.
 
2013-01-08 02:48:38 PM  
Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?
 
2013-01-08 03:04:05 PM  

Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?


The Irish.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 03:08:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?

The Irish.


They're Catholic.  How about the Eskimos?
 
2013-01-08 03:24:51 PM  

Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?


i would say "the atheists" but they're in a constant state of offense, so i think you have them covered.
 
2013-01-08 03:26:41 PM  
i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.
 
2013-01-08 03:28:22 PM  
"fark.com logic"?
When did that creep in?
 
2013-01-08 03:29:40 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Fark.com is using a common debate tactic used to discredit the other side by taking your opponents position and pushing it to an extreme or exaggerated level.

Heh heh.


In philosophy we call that Reductio Ad Derpum.
 
2013-01-08 03:32:19 PM  

thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.


You have to admit that they're far less nauseating than the plethora of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo threads that dotted this site last year...
 
2013-01-08 03:45:44 PM  
On that score, it seems we succeeded.

c'mon...our fark GOP shills troll better than this crap.  at least blame video games or something.  don't just scream 'I WON SO THERE" and run away into the night.  that's just plain stupid.
 
2013-01-08 04:04:39 PM  
One thing I have discovered on FARK is that you have to have a thick skin. Everyone and their grandmother will get offended.

/ On the flip side, no one is left out.
 
2013-01-08 04:05:16 PM  

thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.


awesome
 
2013-01-08 04:07:49 PM  

Rockstone: One thing I have discovered on FARK is that you have to have a thick skin. Everyone and their grandmother will get offended.

/ On the flip side, no one is left out.


this offended me. i've been on skin-thinning medications for years now and have seen no relief.
 
2013-01-08 04:07:57 PM  

simplicimus: "fark.com logic"?
When did that creep in?


The Geek tab was briefly tainted with it in an incident that is best forgotten.
 
2013-01-08 04:08:02 PM  
Related articles at the bottom of the page:

Matthew Sanders: Reframing the debate on Hollywood's violent profits
When violent movies succeed at the box office: 5 things to know
Texas Chainsaw 3-D takes No.1 spot in movie box office, followed by equally violent Django Unchained
 
2013-01-08 04:08:55 PM  

thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.


a day.  four or five threads a day.  for like...a month.  then we'll have the whole thing hammered out for sure.

yeah.  like...a month tops.  that'll do it.
 
2013-01-08 04:08:59 PM  
img198.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-08 04:09:23 PM  

vpb: Nadie_AZ: Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?

The Irish.

They're Catholic.  How about the Eskimos?


They sleep in the nude.
 
2013-01-08 04:09:49 PM  

Apos: thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.

You have to admit that they're far less nauseating than the plethora of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo threads that dotted this site last year...


All of it pales to Palinmania. Even now she gets a few links every month on the Politics tab.
Politics tab is full of trolling headlines and other skullduggery, but even that place doesn't deserve such spam.
 
2013-01-08 04:11:41 PM  
Deseret News, meet Washington Times. Washington Times, Deseret News.

Because both Moonies and Mormons are wacky.
 
2013-01-08 04:11:57 PM  
No magic underwear photo? I is disappoint.
 
2013-01-08 04:12:13 PM  
Since the Alex Jones thread is nowhere near as legendary as it should be, I'm sincerely hoping this thread fills the gap.

*grabs popcorn and eagerly waits*
 
2013-01-08 04:13:43 PM  

thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.


Is there some way to tie guns and Benghazi together into one uber-sized fark thread? Maybe we could say that Ambassador Stevens was killed because he was going to tell the press about Obama's secret CIA training program for mass-shooting wack jobs?

Because I think that would be a fark thread better than a swimming pool full of maggots eating rotten meat.
 
2013-01-08 04:14:18 PM  
Hollywood Hypocrites

bluebirdofbitterness.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-08 04:14:21 PM  
FTA: "we all know that if we stopped killing each other in movies, then death would just take a holiday."

I remember reading that comment!
 
2013-01-08 04:16:46 PM  

The Larch: thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.

Is there some way to tie guns and Benghazi together into one uber-sized fark thread? Maybe we could say that Ambassador Stevens was killed because he was going to tell the press about Obama's secret CIA training program for mass-shooting wack jobs?

Because I think that would be a fark thread better than a swimming pool full of maggots eating rotten meat.


Fark megathread checklist

-Benghazi
-Pro-gun/anti-gun
-Fast and Furious
-PONIES!
-Reality shows
-Obama(birth certificate)
-CIA program for mass shootings
-Special guest appearance by Alex Jones with support from Ric Romero

oh and what the hell throw all the stuff from Bush in there too.

We shall call it "The FARK Thunderdome"
 
2013-01-08 04:16:49 PM  
Fark.com is a big, monolithic beast with one definite opinion.
 
2013-01-08 04:17:02 PM  
as for our (so called) leadership in Washington DC...

www.politifake.org
 
2013-01-08 04:17:15 PM  
Well, if the Deseret News wanted to spark a rational discussion they should have known tha FARK is the last place they should come.
 
2013-01-08 04:18:22 PM  

utah dude: [img198.imageshack.us image 54x11]


Not bad. Needs a white salamander in the background, though.
 
2013-01-08 04:18:25 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Deseret News: Moron owned, Moron approved.


FTFY
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 04:19:54 PM  

Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?


Well... to the motherfarkers biatching about Halloween each year, Christmas and Easter were both pagan festivals. That should confuse and enrage some shallow thinking people.
 
2013-01-08 04:19:59 PM  

Brick-House: as for our (so called) leadership in Washington DC...


so do you paste in bumper stickers now and just flee the scene?  or do you stick around and talk from time to time?  if yer just gonna post stupid pictures I'll put you on ignore now and move on with life.
 
2013-01-08 04:21:19 PM  
Don't believe me, ask this guy how guns can protect people from home invasions and other crimes.

blu.stb.s-msn.com

An Atlanta mom took matters into her own hands on Friday when confronting an intruder. The unidentified woman hid with her 9-year-old twins in a crawlspace as a man broke into her house and began rummaging through it. The alleged burglar, Paul Ali Slater, eventually found the family's hiding space, but not before finding himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver. The woman fired six shots, five of which hit Slater in the face and neck, but he managed to flee after the family ran to a neighbor's house.
 
2013-01-08 04:21:39 PM  
Fark.com, a humor-themed news aggregator website, labeled the piece "stupid" and derisively claimed that the Deseret News had taken the position that "we all know that if we stopped killing each other in movies, then death would just take a holiday."

You know, the extent of editorializing by actual paid employees of Fark is the choice of which headline to green. I'm not thinking they had a lot to choose from when it comes to an article from a Mormon website.

I don't think it's okay to classify headlines published here as being the opinion of the site any more than it is okay to classify a published "letter to the editor" as the opinion of a newspaper. Just because Fark chose to publish a 250-character limit description of the article doesn't mean they agree with the description, just that it would engender discussion, which is exactly what the linked article wanted to happen in the first place.
 
2013-01-08 04:24:51 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Fark.com is using a common debate tactic used to discredit the other side by taking your opponents position and pushing it to an extreme or exaggerated level.

Heh heh.


Does this mean Fark has rights, considering Fark can now take a common position?


/what is Fark's favorite position?
 
2013-01-08 04:25:36 PM  
I too wonder what Deseret's Fark handle is. They have learned their lessons well.
 
2013-01-08 04:25:36 PM  

Miss Stein: utah dude: [img198.imageshack.us image 54x11]

Not bad. Needs a white salamander in the background, though.


Should be blue not red.
 
2013-01-08 04:25:47 PM  

missiv: CapeFearCadaver: Fark.com is using a common debate tactic used to discredit the other side by taking your opponents position and pushing it to an extreme or exaggerated level.

Heh heh.

Does this mean Fark has rights, considering Fark can now take a common position?


/what is Fark's favorite position?


I'm always partial to a little reverse cowgirl. But really who doesn't like doggy style?
 
2013-01-08 04:27:41 PM  

Strategeryz0r: The Larch: thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.

Is there some way to tie guns and Benghazi together into one uber-sized fark thread? Maybe we could say that Ambassador Stevens was killed because he was going to tell the press about Obama's secret CIA training program for mass-shooting wack jobs?

Because I think that would be a fark thread better than a swimming pool full of maggots eating rotten meat.

Fark megathread checklist

-Benghazi
-Pro-gun/anti-gun
-Fast and Furious
-PONIES!
-Reality shows
-Obama(birth certificate)
-CIA program for mass shootings
-Special guest appearance by Alex Jones with support from Ric Romero
-War On ChristmasTM

oh and what the hell throw all the stuff from Bush in there too.

We shall call it "The FARK Thunderdome"



Can't forget that. But otherwise.....

www.movievillains.com
 
2013-01-08 04:28:12 PM  
"Our editorial, then, was not a call for the repeal or even the modification of the First Amendment. And it was most certainly not a claim that if the Quentin Tarantinos of the world were silenced, then violence would go away. Instead, it was an attempt to spur a discussion on one component of a complex problem without a simple remedy."

Way to shift those goal posts
 
2013-01-08 04:30:33 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?

The Irish.


Did they not suffer enough last night?
 
2013-01-08 04:31:25 PM  

simplicimus: "fark.com logic"?
When did that creep in?


Wasn't there a thread about logical fallacies recently, or was that phallac...phallic..Philis Diller?
 
2013-01-08 04:32:24 PM  
9/11/1857
Never forget.
 
2013-01-08 04:32:43 PM  
FTFA: "Our editorial, then, was not a call for the repeal or even the modification of the First Amendment."

Wait. What are we talking about?
 
2013-01-08 04:33:05 PM  
Does anyone else think that the website in question got a huge surge of page hits (and therefore advertising revenue) from a Fark link, and so proceeded to write another article deriding Fark and Farkers, thereby ensuring additional page hits and advertising revenue?
 
2013-01-08 04:33:54 PM  

Strategeryz0r: I'm always partial to a little reverse cowgirl. But really who doesn't like doggy style?


My ex. 'Nuff said.
 
2013-01-08 04:34:26 PM  

ox45tallboy: Does anyone else think that the website in question got a huge surge of page hits (and therefore advertising revenue) from a Fark link, and so proceeded to write another article deriding Fark and Farkers, thereby ensuring additional page hits and advertising revenue?


Shhhh! You will reveal the secrets of the interwebs! You've already said too much.
 
2013-01-08 04:34:43 PM  

Brick-House: Hollywood Hypocrites

[bluebirdofbitterness.files.wordpress.com image 450x443]


www.likeateam.com

Pfft. Amateurs.
 
2013-01-08 04:35:30 PM  
I wasn't aware that we all spoke with one voice, since when have we agreed on anything?
 
2013-01-08 04:35:31 PM  

ox45tallboy: Does anyone else think that the website in question got a huge surge of page hits (and therefore advertising revenue) from a Fark link, and so proceeded to write another article deriding Fark and Farkers, thereby ensuring additional page hits and advertising revenue?


You're not alone in that assessment.
 
2013-01-08 04:35:39 PM  
The trolls are starting to come in...

CMON EVERYBODY! if we work together we can make this the best most awful shiatstorm thread on the site!

"Deseret: Our Blog Suhhhs"
 
2013-01-08 04:36:47 PM  
"Ironically, the


Don't get them farkers started on IRONY
 
2013-01-08 04:37:04 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Apos: thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.

You have to admit that they're far less nauseating than the plethora of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo threads that dotted this site last year...

All of it pales to Palinmania. Even now she gets a few links every month on the Politics tab.
Politics tab is full of trolling headlines and other skullduggery, but even that place doesn't deserve such spam.


Quite right.
 
2013-01-08 04:40:24 PM  

Egoy3k: I wasn't aware that we all spoke with one voice, since when have we agreed on anything?


*ahem" "Ed Grubermann is an asshole." See, universal agreement.
 
2013-01-08 04:40:36 PM  
So, they're now suggesting we view violent content like we view advertisements? So when I watch Kill Bill, my brain is really shopping for ways to kill people? What an absurd suggestion.

My buying habits are affected by advertisers whether I like it or not because those products are things that exist as morally acceptable things, one way or another. As long as I have even a modicum of moral sense, and almost all of us do despite what we might think, violent content is automatically taken in a different way by my subconscious.

The whole issue comes down to how to separate out those few who don't have the moral sense to keep the killing at bay.
 
2013-01-08 04:41:18 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: ox45tallboy: Does anyone else think that the website in question got a huge surge of page hits (and therefore advertising revenue) from a Fark link, and so proceeded to write another article deriding Fark and Farkers, thereby ensuring additional page hits and advertising revenue?

Shhhh! You will reveal the secrets of the interwebs! You've already said too much.


Interwebs? Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck have each profited unimaginably from the tendency of people to look at stuff that offends them. A huge percentage of the audiences of both of those guys are of the "I can't believe this asshole is saying that on TV/Radio! I must listen/watch more to see what other offensive things this clown says!" This strategy has been around a looooong time.

A response article like this is having exactly the intended results. The click counter at the top of the page says they got 1612 clicks at this point, and it will keep going up as the Fark thread keeps going.
 
2013-01-08 04:42:03 PM  

Apos: Strategeryz0r: The Larch: thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.

Is there some way to tie guns and Benghazi together into one uber-sized fark thread? Maybe we could say that Ambassador Stevens was killed because he was going to tell the press about Obama's secret CIA training program for mass-shooting wack jobs?

Because I think that would be a fark thread better than a swimming pool full of maggots eating rotten meat.

Fark megathread checklist

-Benghazi
-Pro-gun/anti-gun
-Fast and Furious
-PONIES!
-Reality shows
-Obama(birth certificate)
-CIA program for mass shootings
-Special guest appearance by Alex Jones with support from Ric Romero
-War On ChristmasTM

oh and what the hell throw all the stuff from Bush in there too.

We shall call it "The FARK Thunderdome"


Can't forget that. But otherwise.....

[www.movievillains.com image 240x156]


Don't forget Apple vs. Android
 
2013-01-08 04:42:09 PM  

Egoy3k: I wasn't aware that we all spoke with one voice, since when have we agreed on anything?


Well there was that one time...there was an article someplace on it and everything. I don't remember what the topic was, and can't be arsed to go looking for it. And obviously we got over it.
 
2013-01-08 04:46:19 PM  
Spawn a discussion.
 
2013-01-08 04:47:38 PM  
www.troll.me
 
2013-01-08 04:47:42 PM  
I think we should proclaim the word "fark" to be the new word for "honeybee" and declare victory ourselves.
 
2013-01-08 04:49:39 PM  
Not very many people I know in Utah take the Deseret News very seriously.

I'm also not taking this gun control "debate" very seriously.

I think the problem here is that it's not a very principled discussion. The same people who decry "free speech zones" are the ones pushing for an outright ban or incremental bans (magazines, bullets, etc.).

There's a process for amending the Constitution. It's cumbersome and time consuming (because it wasn't meant to be done on a whim...nor by a simple majority).

I can see the arguments on both sides and I know how i feel about this particular issue. But I'm unwilling to lack the integrity that would have me speaking out of both sides of my mouth. Free speech zones (and their equivalent in this particular corner of this discussion) are every bit as distasteful to me as incremental or extraconstitutional erosion of any other part of the Bill of Rights.

Yeah, and I'm also the guy who wishes Congress would actually declare war before we set out on our adventures.
 
2013-01-08 04:50:47 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Deseret News: Mormon owned, Mormon approved.


The official news organ of the LDS Church?
rather limp organ.
 
2013-01-08 04:54:45 PM  

apoptotic: Egoy3k: I wasn't aware that we all spoke with one voice, since when have we agreed on anything?

Well there was that one time...there was an article someplace on it and everything. I don't remember what the topic was, and can't be arsed to go looking for it. And obviously we got over it.


You hit the nail on the head. The only thing that gets a universal agreement around here is hatred of a site redesign.
 
2013-01-08 04:55:16 PM  

ox45tallboy: You hit the nail on the head. The only thing that gets a universal agreement around here is hatred of a site redesign.


And yet we get over it.
 
2013-01-08 04:55:31 PM  
You know Deseret are a bunch if ingorant dipheads when they take Fark as a serious news source. Yep, yep, yep, we're all experts hear, everyone one of us holding at least one advanced degree in blister popping from the great school of Whatsamatta U?
 
2013-01-08 04:58:10 PM  

ox45tallboy: BojanglesPaladin: ox45tallboy: Does anyone else think that the website in question got a huge surge of page hits (and therefore advertising revenue) from a Fark link, and so proceeded to write another article deriding Fark and Farkers, thereby ensuring additional page hits and advertising revenue?

Shhhh! You will reveal the secrets of the interwebs! You've already said too much.

Interwebs? Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck have each profited unimaginably from the tendency of people to look at stuff that offends them. A huge percentage of the audiences of both of those guys are of the "I can't believe this asshole is saying that on TV/Radio! I must listen/watch more to see what other offensive things this clown says!" This strategy has been around a looooong time.

A response article like this is having exactly the intended results. The click counter at the top of the page says they got 1612 clicks at this point, and it will keep going up as the Fark thread keeps going.



You have just neatly encapsulated the FARK ExperienceTM
 
2013-01-08 05:00:23 PM  

Brick-House: derppppppppppp


Obamacare is now the law. You can no longer be denied coverage because of your pre-existing mental illness. Go get help now. Obamacare will assist you if you have trouble paying for it. But really, you need professional help. Because you have a mental illness, no shiat.
 
2013-01-08 05:05:12 PM  

Apos: Strategeryz0r: The Larch: thomps: i feel like we're right on the verge of solving this gun violence problem, we probably only need four or five more fark threads discussing it.

Is there some way to tie guns and Benghazi together into one uber-sized fark thread? Maybe we could say that Ambassador Stevens was killed because he was going to tell the press about Obama's secret CIA training program for mass-shooting wack jobs?

Because I think that would be a fark thread better than a swimming pool full of maggots eating rotten meat.

Fark megathread checklist

-Benghazi
-Pro-gun/anti-gun
-Fast and Furious
-PONIES!
-Reality shows
-Obama(birth certificate)
-CIA program for mass shootings
-Special guest appearance by Alex Jones with support from Ric Romero
-War On ChristmasTM

oh and what the hell throw all the stuff from Bush in there too.

We shall call it "The FARK Thunderdome"


Can't forget that. But otherwise.....


Wresting, can't forget that...
 
2013-01-08 05:08:43 PM  
So, if all the violent movies are banned, we can return to a white bread America where everyone has a black maid, a lawn jockey dude, no jews allowed at the country club and Lawrence Welk was king.
 
2013-01-08 05:14:46 PM  

boinkingbill: You know Deseret are a bunch if ingorant dipheads when they take Fark as a serious news source. Yep, yep, yep, we're all experts hear, everyone one of us holding at least one advanced degree in blister popping from the great school of Whatsamatta U?


would that be weber state, snow, or suu ?
 
2013-01-08 05:16:43 PM  

Shirley Ujest: So, if all the violent movies are banned, we can return to a white bread America where everyone has a black maid, a lawn jockey dude, no jews allowed at the country club and Lawrence Welk was king.


I don't like white bread, my ex-wife was a Jew, and my maid is French.
 
2013-01-08 05:21:02 PM  

OgreMagi: Shirley Ujest: So, if all the violent movies are banned, we can return to a white bread America where everyone has a black maid, a lawn jockey dude, no jews allowed at the country club and Lawrence Welk was king.

I don't like white bread, my ex-wife was a Jew, and my maid is French.


So, is she hot?
 
2013-01-08 05:23:11 PM  

Weaver95: On that score, it seems we succeeded.

c'mon...our fark GOP shills troll better than this crap.  at least blame video games or something.  don't just scream 'I WON SO THERE" and run away into the night.  that's just plain stupid.


They did(well, movies in general) in a pseudo-scientific way.

But they are the first to protest that their cinematic glamorization of violence means absolutely nothing and doesn't influence behavior in the slightest. That's ridiculous. Sponsors pay billions of dollars each year in the hopes that their short messages interspersed with televised entertainment will change the behavior of potential shoppers. If what we watch doesn't have any impact on what we do, then every advertiser in the world is wasting money.

The failure in perception there is that modern ads are not to get you to eat bad, it's to see their brand of bad and choose it over another. It's no longer notification to the public that they exist, but that they're the right choice of the alternatives.

It's a result of the Escalation principle, similar to the arms race. IF they don't advertise, and others do, they will lose business. It's a maintenance issue, not a new customer issue.

As for TV/movies teaching violence, it's apples and oranges to how people are influenced. Millions of people see violence, very few do violence. You take a violent person, they're going to be violent no matter what they're exposed to on TV, no amount of LifetimeTM movies are going to change them. You take a non-violent person, and they're going to continue to not kill people, no matter how many gore fests they watch on TV.

As far as rational adults go. You expose babies to such things on a grand scale, and it may warp their views somewhat, but that's not the claim. The claim is that TV made me do it, and it's patently false.

You take a person who never eats fast food, no amount of commercials are going to make them eat fast food.

You take people that eat lots of fast food, that little reminder, "hey, we exist and we taste good" may influence a decision.

You take a violent person and show them a violent movie, they may be motivated to try a different technique.

But in all, the outcome has already been determined, whether it's "be violent" or "eat fast food". The only question is a matter specifically, of how that manifests.

Similarly, as to the author(s) of the article, you show an idiot a rational discussion, and odds are he'll just continue being an idiot. That has already been determined.

Their failure, at base, is in the assumption that all people are equal templates to be imprinted upon by the media which they consume.

In the face of a lifetime of influences, to include genetics, what is seen on TV will only have a minor effect on people and will not change them drastically.

Normal people will not be turned into axe murders. Idiot's will not be made to be intelligent. And those dregs of society that are murderers and rapists will not be reformed by watching Dora the Explorer.

They're living some innane daydream of utopia where there is an easy fix.
 
2013-01-08 05:25:46 PM  
i.imgur.com

Who farted?
 
2013-01-08 05:26:39 PM  
img832.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-08 05:28:41 PM  
Whar "welcometofark.jpg"?? Whar?
/the one with the crying high school chick please.
//she's 18...
 
2013-01-08 05:30:15 PM  

Diogenes: CapeFearCadaver: Fark.com is using a common debate tactic used to discredit the other side by taking your opponents position and pushing it to an extreme or exaggerated level.

Heh heh.

In philosophy we call that Reductio Ad Derpum.


I think you're confusing Harry Potter and Philosophy,
 
2013-01-08 05:30:47 PM  
"we all know that if we stopped killing each other in movies, then death would just take a holiday."

Yes, because that was the only thing said in that thread and we all agreed with it.

Am I the only one who noticed a faint whiff of butthurt from that article?
 
2013-01-08 05:32:01 PM  

omeganuepsilon: They're living some innane daydream of utopia where there is an easy fix, despite their own claims.


FTFM

Otherwise, why pull out that bit about TV being that much of an influence?
 
2013-01-08 05:32:16 PM  

whither_apophis: Whar "welcometofark.jpg"?? Whar?
/the one with the crying high school chick please.
//she's 18...


I'm on the mobile site, otherwise I would have a pic of sad Mormons for you.
 
2013-01-08 05:33:34 PM  

Uncle Tractor: "we all know that if we stopped killing each other in movies, then death would just take a holiday."

Yes, because that was the only thing said in that thread and we all agreed with it.

Am I the only one who noticed a faint whiff of butthurt from that article?


i noticed an astounding whiff of page views directed from Fark.
 
2013-01-08 05:58:27 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I too wonder what Deseret's Fark handle is. They have learned their lessons well.


That's why the article is an Anonymous Coward editorial.

/Sorry for getting /. in the fark meme pool.
 
2013-01-08 06:04:27 PM  

missiv: CapeFearCadaver: Fark.com is using a common debate tactic used to discredit the other side by taking your opponents position and pushing it to an extreme or exaggerated level.

Heh heh.

Does this mean Fark has rights, considering Fark can now take a common position?


/what is Fark's favorite position?


Doggie style.

/don't have to look 'em in the eye then...
 
2013-01-08 06:05:43 PM  

dopekitty74: missiv: CapeFearCadaver: Fark.com is using a common debate tactic used to discredit the other side by taking your opponents position and pushing it to an extreme or exaggerated level.

Heh heh.

Does this mean Fark has rights, considering Fark can now take a common position?


/what is Fark's favorite position?

Doggie style.

/don't have to look 'em in the eye then...


cause all we can get are the wonky eyed types O_o
 
2013-01-08 06:06:08 PM  

utah dude: boinkingbill: You know Deseret are a bunch if ingorant dipheads when they take Fark as a serious news source. Yep, yep, yep, we're all experts hear, everyone one of us holding at least one advanced degree in blister popping from the great school of Whatsamatta U?

would that be weber state, snow, or suu ?


I got my degree from weber...
 
2013-01-08 06:11:19 PM  

Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?


You could fit the Pagans in there between cavemen and Jews.
 
2013-01-08 06:15:15 PM  

ChubbyTiger: OgreMagi: Shirley Ujest: So, if all the violent movies are banned, we can return to a white bread America where everyone has a black maid, a lawn jockey dude, no jews allowed at the country club and Lawrence Welk was king.

I don't like white bread, my ex-wife was a Jew, and my maid is French.

So, is she hot?


My ex is not hot.
 
2013-01-08 06:29:26 PM  

Matticus: I got my degree from weber...


i work there. :)
 
2013-01-08 06:29:45 PM  
I was promised cheesecake..what is this derp?
 
2013-01-08 06:30:35 PM  

Matticus: utah dude: boinkingbill: You know Deseret are a bunch if ingorant dipheads when they take Fark as a serious news source. Yep, yep, yep, we're all experts hear, everyone one of us holding at least one advanced degree in blister popping from the great school of Whatsamatta U?

would that be weber state, snow, or suu ?

I got my degree from weber...


looking at your profile, i can see you like drinking beer with dolphins.

/carry on, then.
 
2013-01-08 06:33:07 PM  

utah dude: Matticus: I got my degree from weber...

i work there. :)


I drove by there a bunch of times.
 
2013-01-08 07:13:09 PM  

utah dude: Matticus: utah dude: boinkingbill: You know Deseret are a bunch if ingorant dipheads when they take Fark as a serious news source. Yep, yep, yep, we're all experts hear, everyone one of us holding at least one advanced degree in blister popping from the great school of Whatsamatta U?

would that be weber state, snow, or suu ?

I got my degree from weber...

looking at your profile, i can see you like drinking beer with dolphins.

/carry on, then.


it makes them do some pretty funny flips
 
2013-01-08 07:15:28 PM  
You know why this shiat gets greened? Because Drew makes fat bank off of the pageclicks and ad revenues. And he STILL insists on a banner that demands I turn off my adblock or join TF.

NAY, Sir! I say NAY NAY! You shall not make mad bank off of my faux outrage as I go through life blind to many many more outrages and injustices that happen every day that I don't give a shiat about because it's not trending...
 
2013-01-08 07:20:23 PM  
But they are the first to protest that their cinematic glamorization of violence means absolutely nothing and doesn't influence behavior in the slightest. That's ridiculous. Sponsors pay billions of dollars each year in the hopes that their short messages interspersed with televised entertainment will change the behavior of potential shoppers. If what we watch doesn't have any impact on what we do, then every advertiser in the world is wasting money.

I made that point.

/maybe not that thread
//how much do they owe me?
 
2013-01-08 07:32:29 PM  

Lev_Astov: So, they're now suggesting we view violent content like we view advertisements? So when I watch Kill Bill, my brain is really shopping for ways to kill people? What an absurd suggestion.

My buying habits are affected by advertisers whether I like it or not because those products are things that exist as morally acceptable things, one way or another. As long as I have even a modicum of moral sense, and almost all of us do despite what we might think, violent content is automatically taken in a different way by my subconscious.

The whole issue comes down to how to separate out those few who don't have the moral sense to keep the killing at bay.


They just didn't explain it well.

The government has already admitted that what people watch affects their behavior. That is the basis they have stated for why they have banned Joe Camel and other advertising to kids for products that are unhealthy. They have also gone after other things like fashion mags for preying on women and making them have an unhealthy image of themselves. So the question becomes, why is that all these things ABSOLUTELY affect kids in a way that requires them to be banned but violence has NO affect at all?

Bring on the science to explain how ONLY VIOLENCE has no affect but everything else does. We'll all be waiting.
 
2013-01-08 07:34:47 PM  
Interesting word, isn't it: "glamorize." This is usually a word used by people who see something in a movie that they don't like that reflects society or the wants of the filmgoing public, with the unspoken implication that the thing on screen is in part responsible for the tragedies of real life.

It's weird how so many people think that ANYTHING on a movie screen is glamorous, as if we're still in the glittering days of the studio system with its sparkling stars and spotlight performances. I went to see Les Miserables last week - there was NOTHING glamorous about its portrayal of what passed for the early 19th century justice system. Seeing Anne Hathaway as a shorn, toothless hooker dying of tuberculosis in a hospital bed, never to see her daughter again, did nothing whatsoever to fill me with desire to emulate her position. Yet there's this idea that simply rendering it onto a movie screen is "glamorizing" it.

This was the tack Dan Quayle took when he accused Murphy Brown of "glamorizing" single motherhood - "it's on a screen, so therefore, ergo, they must be making it look appealing." I'm a little surprised that people are still trying to use it, but at least it's a flag. When someone uses the word "glamorizing," you pretty much know the rest of the article is that chess kid screaming "Stop liking what I don't like!"
 
2013-01-08 07:47:42 PM  
The Deseret News sure does suck at this trolling game.

Did they really basically just say "LOL I TROLL U"?
 
2013-01-08 07:56:50 PM  

peasandcarrots: Interesting word, isn't it: "glamorize." This is usually a word used by people who see something in a movie that they don't like that reflects society or the wants of the filmgoing public, with the unspoken implication that the thing on screen is in part responsible for the tragedies of real life.

It's weird how so many people think that ANYTHING on a movie screen is glamorous, as if we're still in the glittering days of the studio system with its sparkling stars and spotlight performances. I went to see Les Miserables last week - there was NOTHING glamorous about its portrayal of what passed for the early 19th century justice system. Seeing Anne Hathaway as a shorn, toothless hooker dying of tuberculosis in a hospital bed, never to see her daughter again, did nothing whatsoever to fill me with desire to emulate her position. Yet there's this idea that simply rendering it onto a movie screen is "glamorizing" it.

This was the tack Dan Quayle took when he accused Murphy Brown of "glamorizing" single motherhood - "it's on a screen, so therefore, ergo, they must be making it look appealing." I'm a little surprised that people are still trying to use it, but at least it's a flag. When someone uses the word "glamorizing," you pretty much know the rest of the article is that chess kid screaming "Stop liking what I don't like!"


Yep. Remember Dole going on about Trainspotting and Pulp Fiction glamorizing drug use? (I saw Pulp Fiction quite a few times in the theater. The Uma Thurman overdose bit always got the most squeamish groans from the audience, presumably because it was so glamorous.)
 
2013-01-08 07:58:32 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: You could fit the Pagans in there between cavemen and Jews.


I have that farker farkied "antisemite" in Troll Grey 1.

/Besides I'd rather not share the kitchen: You can kibbitz from over there.
//Not a bad cook.
 
2013-01-08 08:04:33 PM  
Not to mention dead babies being glamourous.

These people that use that as an argument are really really desperately grasping at straws to justify a belief.
 
2013-01-08 08:29:41 PM  
When conservatives start caring about little 5 and 6-year old kids as much as the unborn, this problem will get solved pronto.
 
2013-01-08 08:39:36 PM  

Matticus: it makes them do some pretty funny flips


now that was funny.
 
2013-01-08 08:45:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: The Deseret News sure does suck at this trolling game.

Did they really basically just say "LOL I TROLL U"?


No, it was more like "LOL thx 4 the page hits MOAR plz."
 
2013-01-08 11:01:30 PM  
Re: "There simply is no evidence to support the notion that violent movies lead to violent behavior."

Yeah, tell that to those who've lost family members to disturbed people either imitating, or trying to impress or address perceived slights of fictional movie characters, including the latest in a long series -- the Joker of Aurora.

While those in the soft sciences may have yet to prove the hypothesis, it's pretty clear to real people that there's a causal link.

This from the comments is classic DERP: "Real people" just know THE TRUTH in their gut that science has failed to show!
 
2013-01-09 12:12:58 AM  
Can't be much of a newspaper if they felt the need to respond to Fark. Don't they have real news to discuss?
 
2013-01-09 12:14:40 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Deseret News: Mormon owned, Mormon approved.


So they aren't lamestream MSM libtards?
 
2013-01-09 12:16:39 AM  

Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?


Xenu.
 
2013-01-09 12:24:56 AM  

Hot Carl To Go: simplicimus: "fark.com logic"?
When did that creep in?

The Geek tab was briefly tainted with it in an incident that is best forgotten.


hehe you said "taint" hehe
 
2013-01-09 02:05:44 AM  

utah dude: Rockstone: One thing I have discovered on FARK is that you have to have a thick skin. Everyone and their grandmother will get offended.

/ On the flip side, no one is left out.

this offended me. i've been on skin-thinning medications for years now and have seen no relief.


Wait a few more years. You'll be old, and your skin will be thin all by itself.
 
2013-01-09 05:51:54 AM  

Elzar: Mormons are a cult of Protestantism which is a cult of Catholicism which is a cult of Judaism which is a cult of some really old caveman religions.

/ Have I left anyone out that needs to be offended?


You forgot Eastern Orthodox, Coptics, Syriac, etc.
 
2013-01-09 07:06:33 AM  

whither_apophis: Whar "welcometofark.jpg"?? Whar?
/the one with the crying high school chick please.
//she's 18...


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 07:07:15 AM  

apt311: First A


this
 
2013-01-09 07:08:15 AM  

apt311: FTFA: "Our editorial, then, was not a call for the repeal or even the modification of the First Amendment."

Wait. What are we talking about?


this
 
2013-01-09 12:34:02 PM  
"Let's discuss an intractable problem with no real answer . . . because it helps us sell advertising. On that score, it seems we succeeded. "
 
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