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2013-01-08 01:57:28 PM
It's Flumagheddon. The Flupocalypse is upon us.
 
2013-01-08 02:00:00 PM

Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick


Let's test this hypothesis, shall we?  1918 Flu epidemic.  Did they have hand sanitizers? Nope. Did they have anti-bacterial everything? Nope.  Did they have flu shots? Nope.  Did they get dirty and play outside and work in the dirt? Yup.

And they ended up getting the worst flu epidemic in the history of the US.

/Even if your hypothesis weren't utter idiocy, how well do you think it would work with the venerable in our society? The young, the old, and others with immune deficiencies?
 
2013-01-08 02:00:35 PM
The one year I DIDN'T get my Flu shot, I got H1N1.  That was three days of me laying on the floor of my living room pretty much incapacitated.

EVERYONE around me is getting sick - mom and dad had a nasty cold, I came down with something ugly over New Year's, two of my friends I think caught it from me before I realized I was sick, a bunch of my coworkers are falling like flies, everyone local I have on my FB are complaining of getting sick... yeah suffice it to say I ran out on Christmas Eve to get my Flu shot and I'm thanking my lucky stars.

GET YOUR FLU SHOT.
 
2013-01-08 02:00:45 PM

Marcintosh: GET A FLU SHOT - GET A FLU SHOT - GET A FLU SHOT -

Today is my first day fully coherent since before New Years Eve.  I don't drink.
Tamiflu is $15 a pill and you're sold 10 of 'em and psssst - it doesn't do that much.   I suspect fraud.
I haven't had the flu in a very long time 15 - 20 years.   I could not fend for myself this time.  I've lost 3 whole days somewhere in there.

Get a flu shot -  yes even now- go today - go now- leave work and get one.


Yeaaaah, maybe not. My cousin has had this since 12/27 and had a flu shot so I'll pass, thanks.
 
2013-01-08 02:02:29 PM

the801: TommyJReed: Does anyone know if there is a real time flu monitoring map on any websites? I checked CDC but theirs are delayed by a week at best, I'm wondering if there are any with a quicker turnaround on the reporting.

Google Flu Trends is pretty neat.


Came to say that.  If I were to speculate why it's not daily - I think it would be due to an information overload combined with for many states there's more than a 24 hour delay in reporting diseases to the state, then from there those numbers get rolled up to the CDC.  (At least Wisconsin is that way, and it's only hospitalizations within 72 hours, deaths within 24 hours)

The local hospital(s) in Northeast Wisconsin have said the flu vaccination is a good match to the two strains (the A and B).
I got my flu shot and was achy for a day or two but that was it.  (Really thankful I got it, several coworkers were out for days)
Just remember: the flu shot doesn't necessary mean you wont get the flu, but it many cases it does lessen the severity of it.  And it separates you from Jenny McCarthy.
 
2013-01-08 02:03:35 PM

hstein3: CapeFearCadaver: Nope. I'm horribly allergic to anything in the Mycins family, to which the flu shot has ~3 mycins/myxins. Become violently ill for days on end, it has put me in the hospital before.

You should still ask your doctor about the cell-based vaccines.  According to its manufacturers, flucelvax is made without antibiotics, menaing no mycins or myxins.  The prescribing information is here.

/Vaccine immunologist
//IANAD, though, so talk to one first


Huh. I'll look into that one.
 
2013-01-08 02:03:49 PM

Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick


Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."
 
2013-01-08 02:04:14 PM

Spanky McStupid: Marcintosh: GET A FLU SHOT - GET A FLU SHOT - GET A FLU SHOT -

Today is my first day fully coherent since before New Years Eve.  I don't drink.
Tamiflu is $15 a pill and you're sold 10 of 'em and psssst - it doesn't do that much.   I suspect fraud.
I haven't had the flu in a very long time 15 - 20 years.   I could not fend for myself this time.  I've lost 3 whole days somewhere in there.

Get a flu shot -  yes even now- go today - go now- leave work and get one.

Yeaaaah, maybe not. My cousin has had this since 12/27 and had a flu shot so I'll pass, thanks.


Your cousin probably got a different strain of the flu that what was in the shot.  It's very difficult to predict which strains will pop up, and we can't only vaccinate against the ones we know about.  That's the problem with a virus that changes so frequently.

That, and no shot is 100% effective.  It's the nature of the beast.  But it does decrease your chances of getting sick, and more importantly, is helps create a communal barrier to protect those who otherwise can't get the vaccine or are venerable in other ways.

So get the shot and protect yourself and your loved ones.
 
2013-01-08 02:07:37 PM

enry: Brick-House: Smart people are buying this...

[productshots2.modcloth.com image 850x1214]

Smarter people already have a copy.


And the smartest people read it, said, "What the fark, I spent money on some 8th graders creative writing assignment?" and then threw it against the wall.
 
2013-01-08 02:07:41 PM
Google Flu Trends for New York City  Compare this year's to all the other years... that right there is a really, really frightening and really sudden increase.
 
2013-01-08 02:10:01 PM

Loucifer: ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

YOU ARE BEING LIED TO! THE GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO YOU! THE PRESS, WHICH HAS BEEN CO-OPTED BY THE FORCES OF THE PIG PARAMILITARY, IS LYING TO YOU! THE ADMINISTRATION OF THIS UNIVERSITY IS LYING TO YOU, AS ARE THE INFIRMARY DOCTORS UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION'S ORDERS!

1. THERE IS NO SUPERFLU VACCINE.

2. SUPERFLU IS NOT A SERIOUS DISEASE, IT IS A DEADLY DISEASE.

3. SUSCEPTIBILITY MAY RUN AS HIGH AS 75%.

4. SUPERFLU WAS DEVELOPED BY THE FORCES OF THE U.S. PIG PARAMILITARY AND DISBURSED BY ACCIDENT.

5. THE U.S. PIG PARAMILITARY NOW MEANS TO COVER UP THEIR MURDEROUS BLUNDER EVEN IF IT MEANS 75% OF THE POPULATION WILL DIE!

ALL REVOLUTIONARY PEOPLE, GREETINGS! THE TIME OF OUR STRUGGLE IS NOW! UNITE, STRIVE, CONQUER!

MEETING IN GYM AT 7:00 PM!

STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!


This is why you are favorited in a lovely shade of green!
 
2013-01-08 02:11:48 PM

Marcintosh: GET A FLU SHOT - GET A FLU SHOT - GET A FLU SHOT -

Today is my first day fully coherent since before New Years Eve.  I don't drink.
Tamiflu is $15 a pill and you're sold 10 of 'em and psssst - it doesn't do that much.   I suspect fraud.
I haven't had the flu in a very long time 15 - 20 years.   I could not fend for myself this time.  I've lost 3 whole days somewhere in there.

Get a flu shot -  yes even now- go today - go now- leave work and get one.


I got a flu shot 2 months ago and still got it xmas eve. Was a wreck for a week straight. When you get it, get to the doctor and get the antivirals. i waited until day 4 and was told thanks for the $20 co-pay but it's too late, so go home and ride it out.
 
2013-01-08 02:13:56 PM
Suck it up, Penn. we have six deaths here in Washington
 
2013-01-08 02:18:50 PM

hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick

Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."


no it isnt. She's right about that, but still wrong about flu shots.
 
2013-01-08 02:23:19 PM

WarszawaScream: The one year I DIDN'T get my Flu shot, I got H1N1.  That was three days of me laying on the floor of my living room pretty much incapacitated.

EVERYONE around me is getting sick - mom and dad had a nasty cold, I came down with something ugly over New Year's, two of my friends I think caught it from me before I realized I was sick, a bunch of my coworkers are falling like flies, everyone local I have on my FB are complaining of getting sick... yeah suffice it to say I ran out on Christmas Eve to get my Flu shot and I'm thanking my lucky stars.

GET YOUR FLU SHOT.


I don't want the autism.
 
2013-01-08 02:23:39 PM
Im a 27 year old fatguy. I've never gotten a flu shot in my life. When I was sick, I rode it out, usually only taking the occaisonal ny-quil to get some much needed sleep, drank plenty of fluids and soup, lived with being sick for a little while. The most potent shiat I've ever put in my system was some kind of anti-congestion stuff I got once because I felt like I was breathing water. Dont even remember what It was called, but it cleared it up right quick, though I was hacking shiat out for a week.

I got some flu-like symptoms a little before christmas. My immune system chewed up and spat that shiat out in about two days.

This is what happens when you fark your immune system with those anti-bacterial OCD dispensers that pop up all over the place by not letting it learn how to fight the nasty shiat.
 
2013-01-08 02:24:21 PM

Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick

Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."

no it isnt. She's right about that, but still wrong about flu shots.


Erm, hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is basically fancy rubbing alcohol.  Why would that be bad?  (Besides the people dumb enough to try getting drunk off of it, I mean.)
 
2013-01-08 02:24:51 PM

Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick

Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."

no it isnt. She's right about that, but still wrong about flu shots.


This.
 
2013-01-08 02:27:29 PM
I caught a cold from a Canadian while on a bus from Ho Chi Minh to Siam Reip Cambodia, he was coming from Thailand, and Loas, did I just infect the west coast of the USA with some Asian supervirus?
 
2013-01-08 02:34:23 PM

Loucifer: ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

YOU ARE BEING LIED TO! THE GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO YOU!

ALL REVOLUTIONARY PEOPLE, GREETINGS! THE TIME OF OUR STRUGGLE IS NOW! UNITE, STRIVE, CONQUER!

MEETING IN GYM AT 7:00 PM!

STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!


Goin' to Phoenix? Where's the Walking Dude?

/The group's demeanor and ability to succeed depends on the leadership. Watch who ya join up with
 
2013-01-08 02:38:50 PM
I've never gotten a flu shot.
Then again, I'm a healthy, male in his mid-twenties ... so I figure save the shots for the folks that needs/want 'em.
 
2013-01-08 02:40:59 PM
I haven't had the flu for decades, but my wife of two years wants 'her old man' to stay healthy, so I've had flu shots the last two years and got a shingles shot as well. Flu is looking very bad this year, I hope Jenny and her gang bite the big one.
 
2013-01-08 02:42:25 PM
1. Hang sheets between the cots
2. Bill for private rooms
3. Profit.
 
2013-01-08 02:43:48 PM

LarryDan43: WarszawaScream: The one year I DIDN'T get my Flu shot, I got H1N1.  That was three days of me laying on the floor of my living room pretty much incapacitated.

GET YOUR FLU SHOT.

I don't want the autism.


It's too late for you...

/children are susceptible, not adults.
//but perhaps we could take a vote on it, in your case
 
2013-01-08 02:44:42 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: I've never gotten a flu shot.
Then again, I'm a healthy, male in his mid-twenties ... so I figure save the shots for the folks that needs/want 'em.


In a year where flu shots are limited, that's a good idea to go by.  In the years where there is plenty of shots to go around, you should still get one.  Even though you're young and healthy, it'll still reduce the chance of you getting the flu or even becoming a carrier of the flu. Doing this will help protect those in your community who may be venerable, such as babies, old folks, and those who are immune deficient or can't otherwise get the shot themselves.

Vaccines work best when the whole community works together.
 
2013-01-08 02:55:39 PM

natazha: I haven't had the flu for decades, but my wife of two years wants 'her old man' to stay healthy, so I've had flu shots the last two years and got a shingles shot as well. Flu is looking very bad this year, I hope Jenny and her gang bite the big one.


The shingles shot is useless. It cures symptoms, not diseases. You've had shingles since childhood. Big Pharma is selling snake oil, too. Shingles come out from stress, like the herpes virus, which also can't be cured. You'll get that shot every year and it won't do a thing for you, because if it's gonna show, it'll show up, just like the herpe. I think one instigates the other. A chill pill will do more for ya.
 
2013-01-08 02:59:45 PM

hstein3: Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick

Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."

no it isnt. She's right about that, but still wrong about flu shots.

Erm, hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is basically fancy rubbing alcohol.  Why would that be bad?  (Besides the people dumb enough to try getting drunk off of it, I mean.)


because getting sick (i.e. exposing your immune system to germs) is a good thing. Constantly preventing yourself from being exposed to germy things builds your immune system...That which doesnt kill you makes you stronger...seriously.
 
2013-01-08 03:02:12 PM

Madbassist1: hstein3: Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick

Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."

no it isnt. She's right about that, but still wrong about flu shots.

Erm, hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is basically fancy rubbing alcohol.  Why would that be bad?  (Besides the people dumb enough to try getting drunk off of it, I mean.)

because getting sick (i.e. exposing your immune system to germs) is a good thing. Constantly preventing yourself from being exposed to germy things builds your immune system...That which doesnt kill you makes you stronger...seriously.


that last sentence should say exactly the opposite of what it does...sheesh.
 
2013-01-08 03:06:47 PM

Madbassist1: Madbassist1: hstein3: Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

because getting sick (i.e. exposing your immune system to germs) is a good thing. Constantly preventing yourself from being exposed to germy things builds your immune system...That which doesnt kill you makes you stronger...seriously.

that last sentence should say exactly the opposite of what it does...sheesh.


I was gonna say, maybe you're standing too close to the drummer

/Them cymbals can drive you to faraway places...
//offbeat
 
2013-01-08 03:12:37 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: I've never gotten a flu shot.
Then again, I'm a healthy, male in his mid-twenties ... so I figure save the shots for the folks that needs/want 'em.


That's very noble, except that some viruses attack the young more strongly because of their stronger immune systems.

/Pandemic! Get your PANDEMIC here! PANDEMIC!
 
2013-01-08 03:16:02 PM

Mikeyworld: Madbassist1: Madbassist1: hstein3: Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

because getting sick (i.e. exposing your immune system to germs) is a good thing. Constantly preventing yourself from being exposed to germy things builds your immune system...That which doesnt kill you makes you stronger...seriously.

that last sentence should say exactly the opposite of what it does...sheesh.

I was gonna say, maybe you're standing too close to the drummer

/Them cymbals can drive you to faraway places...
//offbeat


Far and away
 
2013-01-08 03:20:55 PM

TwilightZone: CapeFearCadaver

Marcintosh: Get a flu shot - yes even now- go today - go now- leave work and get one.

I'm allergic to flu shots. It sucks. So I just wash my hands OCD style, take tons of echinacea and vitamins during the season and stay away from things like kids with gooey hands.

Avoid touching your face and gargle twice a day (last from a study of cold/flu transmisson among Japanese school children -- lower rates for among those who gargled 2x/day -- falls into the category of couldn't hurt/might help)


Probably shouldn't gargle with strep culture medium, though :)
 
2013-01-08 03:25:11 PM

Disciple_of_Trogdor: Im a 27 year old fatguy. I've never gotten a flu shot in my life. When I was sick, I rode it out, usually only taking the occaisonal ny-quil to get some much needed sleep, drank plenty of fluids and soup, lived with being sick for a little while. The most potent shiat I've ever put in my system was some kind of anti-congestion stuff I got once because I felt like I was breathing water. Dont even remember what It was called, but it cleared it up right quick, though I was hacking shiat out for a week.

I got some flu-like symptoms a little before christmas. My immune system chewed up and spat that shiat out in about two days.

This is what happens when you fark your immune system with those anti-bacterial OCD dispensers that pop up all over the place by not letting it learn how to fight the nasty shiat.


If you were only sick for two days, you likely didn't have the flu. You had a cold.
 
2013-01-08 03:26:29 PM
GAH!!!

A couple you guys up there, the word you want is VULNERABLE, not VENERABLE.

/no, the old necessarily venerable
//toddlers definitely aren't
 
2013-01-08 03:40:33 PM

PunGent: GAH!!!

A couple you guys up there, the word you want is VULNERABLE, not VENERABLE.

/no, the old necessarily venerable
//toddlers definitely aren't


My bad. I'm an idiot.
 
2013-01-08 03:53:22 PM
and yall keep voting Democrat...
 
2013-01-08 03:58:34 PM

PunGent: GAH!!!

A couple you guys up there, the word you want is VULNERABLE, not VENERABLE.

/no, the old necessarily venerable
//toddlers definitely aren't


Oh, thank God! This was driving me nuts for some reason.
 
2013-01-08 04:12:06 PM
Normally, I say yes, get a flu shot. It not only helps you, it also helps prevent the spread of the flu.

This year however, the main problem is that this year's flu outbreak is NOT vaccinated against in this year's flu vaccine! This is probably a good year to practice all the other safeguards. Eating right, washing hands, limiting contact, etc.
 
2013-01-08 04:13:46 PM

amd1433: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x477]


I was wondering who was going to post that. The disease in Left 4 Dead supposedly started in Philly
 
2013-01-08 04:13:49 PM
The US Tour of Les Miserables (the stage production, not the movie) is in Philly, and they've had to call in actors from New York to cover for the sick ones. Eet iz zee Plague.
 
2013-01-08 04:17:05 PM

WalMartian: PunGent: GAH!!!

A couple you guys up there, the word you want is VULNERABLE, not VENERABLE.

/no, the old necessarily venerable
//toddlers definitely aren't

Oh, thank God! This was driving me nuts for some reason.


Yeah, it was bugging me even as I typed it out, but I didn't bother to see why. So I'm just chalking it up as an idiotic moment.
 
2013-01-08 04:49:16 PM

hstein3: Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick

Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."

no it isnt. She's right about that, but still wrong about flu shots.

Erm, hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is basically fancy rubbing alcohol.  Why would that be bad?  (Besides the people dumb enough to try getting drunk off of it, I mean.)


Handwashing is much more effective than hand sanitizer. But there is a legion of morons who think that some gel and alcohol is a total substitute for washing their filthy mitts.
 
2013-01-08 04:54:49 PM

dognose4: Normally, I say yes, get a flu shot. It not only helps you, it also helps prevent the spread of the flu.

This year however, the main problem is that this year's flu outbreak is NOT vaccinated against in this year's flu vaccine! This is probably a good year to practice all the other safeguards. Eating right, washing hands, limiting contact, etc.


One report I saw had 3 out of every 4 cases had not been vaccinated. (still searching for that story).

According to here "most of the viruses - about 91% - that have been identified as circulating this season are the ones included in this year's flu vaccine." Link.

Now, the flu vaccine is one of our less effective ones in general, and that is a travesty, but we are working hard on getting a more robust and effective one, and compared to the full blown flu (7-10 or so days of misery with a chance of developing pneumonia as well, which is a fun dance, let me tell you!), the protection it does offer is worth the minor inconvenience of getting a shot
 
2013-01-08 05:07:01 PM
I got the flu shot when my university offered it for free through their pharmacy program.  I have gotten the shot every year since just before I became asthmatic.  I'll still be careful about what I touch and will wash my hands and use hand sanitizer frequently (though not the stuff with antibacterial nonsense in it - it makes my hands break out and swell).  I haven't had the flu in 4 years and I hope to keep that streak alive.  That was enough to convince me to get the shot - feeling like death for a week (the last week of classes, to boot) and my boyfriend and roommate both not catching it from me, even though they were both in close contact with me, but had both gotten the flu shot.
 
2013-01-08 05:22:20 PM
meat0918:
One report I saw had 3 out of every 4 cases had not been vaccinated. (still searching for that story).


Well, considering that only 1/3 of the population gets vaccinated, it's no surprise that most people who are sick would not be vaccinated. You'd hope it's all of them. If 1/4 of the flu patients were vaccinated, that works out to what, a less than 50% success rate with the vaccine?

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro vaccination... It's just that I'd like to know the true facts..
 
2013-01-08 05:28:12 PM

mjohnson71: /Grandmother used to scare us with stories of the 1918 flu stuff


My Grandma did the same. She was 14 by then and my Great Grandfather quarantined everyone else in the family to the farm for over a year or something so that they wouldn't get sick (he ran the risk of going to town every so often). She remembered seeing the horse-drawn hearses rolling out of town. Scary stuff.
 
2013-01-08 05:34:43 PM

dognose4: meat0918:
One report I saw had 3 out of every 4 cases had not been vaccinated. (still searching for that story).


Well, considering that only 1/3 of the population gets vaccinated, it's no surprise that most people who are sick would not be vaccinated. You'd hope it's all of them. If 1/4 of the flu patients were vaccinated, that works out to what, a less than 50% success rate with the vaccine?

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro vaccination... It's just that I'd like to know the true facts..


What he said.... Damnit
 
2013-01-08 05:45:43 PM

dognose4: meat0918:
One report I saw had 3 out of every 4 cases had not been vaccinated. (still searching for that story).


Well, considering that only 1/3 of the population gets vaccinated, it's no surprise that most people who are sick would not be vaccinated. You'd hope it's all of them. If 1/4 of the flu patients were vaccinated, that works out to what, a less than 50% success rate with the vaccine?

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro vaccination... It's just that I'd like to know the true facts..


I think in general (and according to the following link, wish I had access to the actual studies) the flu vaccine is only 60% effective. It's really not that great of one, but it's what we have at the moment. I'm inclined to think part of the push back on vaccines is due to the low efficacy of the flu vaccine.

Which is why they are really, really trying to develop a better one.
 
2013-01-08 06:00:31 PM

omnimancer28: hstein3: Madbassist1: hstein3: Lizsavage: Flu shots bad. Hand Sanitizer overuse, worse. Anti bacterial everything = you gonna die fool.

Go outside. Touch dirty stuff. Expose yourself to germs, its called building immunity.

/rarely gets sick

Hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is just fine, though I'm afraid to ask why "flu shots bad."

no it isnt. She's right about that, but still wrong about flu shots.

Erm, hand sanitizer that doesn't include antibiotics is basically fancy rubbing alcohol.  Why would that be bad?  (Besides the people dumb enough to try getting drunk off of it, I mean.)

Handwashing is much more effective than hand sanitizer. But there is a legion of morons who think that some gel and alcohol is a total substitute for washing their filthy mitts.


Maybe.  But the bottom line is that hand sanitizer is, at the very least, better than nothing for sanitizing hands and preventing the spread of communicable disease.  And the people saying "expose yourself to pathogens" are really guilty of grossly over-simplifying a rather complicated public health theory.
 
2013-01-08 06:08:54 PM

meat0918: I'm inclined to think part of the push back on vaccines is due to the low efficacy of the flu vaccine.

Which is why they are really, really trying to develop a better one.


Totally relevant article on issues developing a universal flu vaccine.
 
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