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(KPTV Portland)   Rep Patrick Kennedy to lobby against legalizing marijuana, says it's just as bad as alcohol. Yes, this is coming from a Kennedy   (kptv.com ) divider line 79
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2013-01-08 09:21:30 AM  
Maybe he's hoping that marijuana prohibition will fund the next big family political dynasty the way bootlegging did for his.
 
2013-01-08 09:25:48 AM  
Then, I guess alcohol needs to be criminalized. Again.

I mean, if it's just as bad as weed, what choice do we have? Think of the children!
 
2013-01-08 09:28:03 AM  
I agree. Look at all the deaths due to driving while high, kidney failure, pot fueled fights...
 
2013-01-08 09:54:29 AM  
Sorry Patrick.  You lost the war on drugs.  The simple fact that we can't keep drugs out of the prison system is proof enough.
 
2013-01-08 10:08:19 AM  
We shouldn't legalize it because it's just as bad as a perfectly legal product?

I don't smoke, but that's a pretty silly argument.
 
2013-01-08 10:25:53 AM  
The argument is actually Alchohol based. It goes something like:

Alcohol is such a bad calamity on our society that we can not afford to legalize another drug.

Points to drunk driving accidents and domestic violence as proof that inebriants cause harm. Slips down a slope that all inebriants cause the same harm.

Is this a strawman? The basic argument was given to me by an Arizona DEA chief during a class circa 1991. The argument Fails to make distinction between inebriants effects...
 
2013-01-08 10:53:13 AM  
During Easter weekend in 1991, Kennedy and his father were in Palm Beach, Florida, along with Patrick's cousin, William Kennedy Smith. At Au Bar, the 23-year-old Patrick met a 27-year-old Testas Restaurant waitress, Michelle Cassone, and Smith met another woman, Patricia Bowman. Both women returned with the Kennedys to the family's beachfront retreat, where a series of events took place that resulted in Smith being charged with raping Bowman. The prosecution alleged that the three Kennedys collaborated to cover up this alleged crime. In a widely covered trial, Smith was acquitted.

In 2000, Kennedy was accused of pushing a female security guard at Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California. City prosecutors ultimately decided not to bring criminal charges against him and he paid an undisclosed civil settlement to the alleged victim almost two years later.

Also in 2000, Atlantic Navigation Company of Mystic, Connecticut, claimed that a boat they rented to Kennedy was found abandoned off Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, with US$28,000 worth of damage. That same year, the U.S. Coast Guard was dispatched to Kennedy's yacht after he and his date became embroiled in an argument off the coast of Martha's Vineyard.

On May 4, 2006, Kennedy crashed his automobile into a barricade on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., at 2:45 a.m. A Capitol Police official said the congressman had appeared intoxicated when he crashed his car, but Kennedy claimed that he was merely disoriented from prescription medications Ambien and Phenergan.  Anonymous sources are alleged to have seen Kennedy drinking at the nearby Hawk & Dove bar prior to the accident. Kennedy also stated to officers that he was "late for a vote". However, the last vote of the night had occurred almost six hours earlier. The standard field sobriety test was not administered, and Kennedy was driven home by an officer.

Fark you you waste of space Kennedy...and get a job, a real job.

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2013-01-08 11:02:28 AM  

Sybarite: Maybe he's hoping that marijuana prohibition will fund the next big family political dynasty the way bootlegging did for his.


Stock moves that would now be illegal, but at the time weren't, are what made the family rich.
 
2013-01-08 11:06:20 AM  
I think I'm tired of Kennedys
 
2013-01-08 11:11:10 AM  
Details on these Kennedy stories are always scotchy.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 11:22:30 AM  
The problem is that people seem to think that banning something will eliminate it.

Trying to ban an organism that can reproduce itself and grows wild over much of the world is far more difficult than baning a manufactured item.
 
2013-01-08 11:49:29 AM  
Will being high while driving cause me to crash into water and let a woman drown to death? No? Then fark off with your farked up family.
 
2013-01-08 11:51:45 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Sorry Patrick.  You lost the war on drugs.  The simple fact that we can't keep drugs out of the prison system is proof enough.


Yeah really. Drugs completely kicked our collective ass and has been running victory laps while doing the Hulk Hogan "I can't hear you" gimmick for a few decades now.
 
2013-01-08 11:53:54 AM  
It is sad to see how families rot. Now Pat's grandfather would have been looking for distribution rights from either Mexico or various South American countries to take advantage of a new commodity being legal.
 
2013-01-08 11:54:56 AM  
he must have been high when this idea came to him
 
2013-01-08 11:56:38 AM  
Make a pot gun, then we can all hate it
 
2013-01-08 12:01:29 PM  

vpb: Trying to ban an organism that can reproduce itself and grows wild over much of the world is far more difficult than baning a manufactured item.


We can't even manage to get rid of manufactured items.

/It's a good thing all the meth went away when we banned it.
 
2013-01-08 12:02:23 PM  
So often it's the "former" addicts that are the worst prohibitionists out there and they seem to almost always want to ban a substance that they weren't even involved with. Fark you Patrick Kennedy you farking weak ass douchebag!
 
2013-01-08 12:02:34 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Make a pot gun, then we can all hate it


Where do you think the term "shotgunning a hit" came from?

stash.norml.org
 
2013-01-08 12:03:02 PM  
That's wicked retaahhhded.

Prohibition creates 10 times the problems that legalization will cause.

My question is why we allow our government to dictate what adults put into their bodies in the first place.
 
2013-01-08 12:09:03 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's wicked retaahhhded.

Prohibition creates 10 times the problems that legalization will cause.


Prohibition creates problems for the people, especially low income ones. For the government, though, prohibition is a great boon: undesirables (i.e. low-income minorities) can be shuffled off to for-profit prisons, and -- most importantly -- the government has justification for a broad array of powers.

Kennedy, being a member of the plutocratic governing class, wants to keep powers in government, and therefore opposes legalization. It has nothing to do with public policy, but everything to do with power.
 
2013-01-08 12:11:25 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: BunkyBrewman: Sorry Patrick.  You lost the war on drugs.  The simple fact that we can't keep drugs out of the prison system is proof enough.

Yeah really. Drugs completely kicked our collective ass and has been running victory laps while doing the Hulk Hogan "I can't hear you" gimmick for a few decades now.


Lol. I saw Meth doing the crotch chop right in a cops face the other day. And Cocaine was in the end zone salsa dancing like Victor Cruz. It was pretty embarrasing.
 
2013-01-08 12:11:50 PM  
So the former oxycontin addict whose family made its fortune bootlegging liquor thinks the devil weed should remain illegal?

Your hypocrisy is showing.
 
2013-01-08 12:12:43 PM  

illegal.tender: Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's wicked retaahhhded.

Prohibition creates 10 times the problems that legalization will cause.

Prohibition creates problems for the people, especially low income ones. For the government, though, prohibition is a great boon...


And for a lot of other folks. Out here is Cali the medical marijuana community campaigned vigorously against legal pot, Why would they want to slit their own economic throats?
 
2013-01-08 12:15:01 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: So the former oxycontin addict whose family made its fortune bootlegging liquor thinks the devil weed should remain illegal?

Your hypocrisy is showing.


Don't be so hard on them. They think intoxicants make you drive off bridges.
 
2013-01-08 12:17:27 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Sorry Patrick.  You lost the war on drugs.  The simple fact that we can't keep drugs out of the prison system is proof enough.


Can't keep rape out of prisons, should we legalize it? Just saying it's a weird argument. I'm actually all for legalization of weed and the mass commercialization of hemp as well. Open the market.
/Doesn't drink or do drugs
//My choice shouldn't be your law
 
2013-01-08 12:17:30 PM  

vpb: The problem is that people seem to think that banning something will eliminate it.

Trying to ban an organism that can reproduce itself and grows wild over much of the world is far more difficult than baning a manufactured item.


You sure about that?

Humans are very effective at obliterating things that can reproduce themselves and grow wild over much of the world. We wipe out entire species by accident! Image what we could do if we put our minds to the task!
 
2013-01-08 12:21:33 PM  
Lefty dems need to teabag these kind of people in the primaries.
 
2013-01-08 12:26:21 PM  

Headso: Lefty dems need to teabag these kind of people in the primaries.


I think he'd probably have to run in the primary for that to work.
 
2013-01-08 12:30:24 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Then, I guess alcohol needs to be criminalized. Again.

I mean, if it's just as bad as weed, what choice do we have? Think of the children!


It's just as bad as something already legal!  OMGZ!  Guess Pat has been visited by his local Alcohol lobbyist recently.
 
2013-01-08 12:33:53 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Then, I guess alcohol needs to be criminalized. Again.

I mean, if it's just as bad as weed, what choice do we have? Think of the children!


HERE HERE!
 
2013-01-08 12:33:56 PM  
 
2013-01-08 12:34:39 PM  

Sgt Otter: We shouldn't legalize it because it's just as bad as a perfectly legal product?

I don't smoke, but that's a pretty silly argument.


Came for This ^.

Thanks
 
2013-01-08 12:43:45 PM  
We should also export shiploads of it to China. Slow them farkers down a bit. Close the trade gap.
 
2013-01-08 12:45:53 PM  

Stone Meadow: illegal.tender: Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's wicked retaahhhded.

Prohibition creates 10 times the problems that legalization will cause.

Prohibition creates problems for the people, especially low income ones. For the government, though, prohibition is a great boon...

And for a lot of other folks. Out here is Cali the medical marijuana community campaigned vigorously against legal pot, Why would they want to slit their own economic throats?


True. In Kennedy's case, though, he is definitely a part of the ruling class, and is pushing for its interests here.
 
2013-01-08 12:46:52 PM  
Now,where is that freakin' chart that compares the dangerousness of alcohol to marijuana and LSD... you'd think GIS would give me a good one, but NOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2013-01-08 12:49:17 PM  
Fark it, legalize every drug. Change the intent of drug regulation to be a defense against the capitalist system and only restrict certain antibiotics that can contribute to the development of resistant bacterial strains if misused. Other than that, everything should be legal and freely available.

Mostly because I want to see what gets greened on Fark the day Drew goes on an ether binge.
 
2013-01-08 12:49:47 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: So the former oxycontin addict whose family made its fortune bootlegging liquor thinks the devil weed should remain illegal?

Your hypocrisy is showing.



Next thing you know, he'll want to ban amphibious vehicles.
 
2013-01-08 12:53:36 PM  
Legalize drugs and the cartels go away, gangs lose their drug revenue too, and mostly disappear. Prisons lose most of their inmates who are completely non violent. We save money by not fighting a losing battle against the will of our own people, and we save money by not throwing them in prison. We make more money by collecting tax revenue because they'll get jobs instead of languishing in prison.

The fact that we as a nation have gone so long making the wrong decision shows clearly that our government cannot be trusted to do the right thing. They are only interested in control no matter what consequences we citizens must face as a result.
 
2013-01-08 12:55:30 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that we as a nation have gone so long making the wrong decision shows clearly that our government cannot be trusted to do the right thing. They are only interested in control no matter what consequences we citizens must face as a result.


So you're an anarchist?
 
2013-01-08 12:58:35 PM  
My bong has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.

/Adapted from the gun control thread
 
2013-01-08 01:00:11 PM  

studs up: We should also export shiploads of it to China. Slow them farkers down a bit. Close the trade gap.


The Qing Dynasty would like a word with you.
 
2013-01-08 01:00:43 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Legalize drugs and the cartels go away, gangs lose their drug revenue too, and mostly disappear. Prisons lose most of their inmates who are completely non violent. We save money by not fighting a losing battle against the will of our own people, and we save money by not throwing them in prison. We make more money by collecting tax revenue because they'll get jobs instead of languishing in prison.

The fact that we as a nation have gone so long making the wrong decision shows clearly that our government cannot be trusted to do the right thing. They are only interested in control no matter what consequences we citizens must face as a result.


Just like ending prohibition killed the mob? Criminals will be criminals. No one is going to go back to school because weed is legal and they can't make money off of it anymore. They will find another hustle...or they'll just start taking your shiat.
 
2013-01-08 01:01:27 PM  
I'm OK with this as long as they increase my ration of Victory Gin again next week.
 
2013-01-08 01:02:01 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Legalize drugs and the cartels go away, gangs lose their drug revenue too, and mostly disappear. Prisons lose most of their inmates who are completely non violent. We save money by not fighting a losing battle against the will of our own people, and we save money by not throwing them in prison. We make more money by collecting tax revenue because they'll get jobs instead of languishing in prison.

The fact that we as a nation have gone so long making the wrong decision shows clearly that our government cannot be trusted to do the right thing. They are only interested in control no matter what consequences we citizens must face as a result.

Just like ending prohibition killed the mob? Criminals will be criminals. No one is going to go back to school because weed is legal and they can't make money off of it anymore. They will find another hustle...or they'll just start taking your shiat.


because clearly, the mobs power/ growth was not irreparably damaged when prohibition ended.
 
2013-01-08 01:06:36 PM  

Jim.Casy: studs up: We should also export shiploads of it to China. Slow them farkers down a bit. Close the trade gap.

The Qing Dynasty would like a word with you.


Yeah? Whattcha want? Don't look at me, Afghanistan has your poppies.
/We have your weed
 
2013-01-08 01:14:45 PM  

illegal.tender: Stone Meadow: illegal.tender: Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's wicked retaahhhded.

Prohibition creates 10 times the problems that legalization will cause.

Prohibition creates problems for the people, especially low income ones. For the government, though, prohibition is a great boon...

And for a lot of other folks. Out here is Cali the medical marijuana community campaigned vigorously against legal pot, Why would they want to slit their own economic throats?

True. In Kennedy's case, though, he is definitely a part of the ruling class, and is pushing for its interests here.


I am completely confident you are correct. The alcohol industry, for-profit prison industry, etc. are just looking out after their own interests. Hell, I wouldn't surprised to learn Kennedy is a pothead himself.

Never let personal interest get in the way of real business, though. Right?
 
2013-01-08 01:19:03 PM  
No, marijuana is far less harmful than alcohol. You can't die from an overdose of marijuana by itself. Alcohol poisoning kills thousands every year.
 
2013-01-08 01:27:13 PM  
Alcohol: Tens of thousands of deaths every year, highly addictive with numerous severe health issues due to over use, very strongly linked with domestic violence, most commonly used drug in drug assisted rapes, very common factor fights/brawls.

Tobacco: Hundreds of thousands of deaths every year. Major risk factor for SIDS. Many many long term and severe health issues directly related to Tobacco use.

Pot: Gives people the munches.
 
2013-01-08 01:30:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: gun


Kennedy cars have killed more people than my guns ;-)
 
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