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(WSBTV)   Burglar breaks into home, makes off with five of the homeowner's bullets   (wsbtv.com) divider line 77
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2013-01-08 09:32:37 AM

MythDragon: Dynascape: have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.

I prefer #9 birdshot

585 tiny little pellets. They won't have enough penetration to reach any vitals on a human-sized target. But they Will. Fark. You. Up. There are 585 of those little bastards. You know they will never get all of those out of you.


Great image!!!!

Thats my point. 00 Buck seems a little overkill for me (in that I dont want to overkill my neighbors), but thats just my opinion.
 
2013-01-08 09:34:09 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: factoryconnection: I cannot fault her for retreating to a protected position and being silent, because all she knew was that there was a motivated criminal at her door. She addressed the threat properly and all the good guys are safe.

I advise something different. Retreat to a more secure location and challenge. Do not back yourself into a corner immediately. Challenge from the upstairs hallway. "I know you are down there and I have a gun! The police have been called" Don't just rush into the bedroom closet and cower. You know the house, he doesn't. Give yourself space to move and shoot if needed.

He could have easily just started shooting into that closet and they would have been doomed. (Something similar happened here a few months back)


That very thing happened the same day on the other side of town.
 
2013-01-08 09:34:30 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Uisce Beatha: And are we now just repeating old links to have our daily guns are evil/no they aren't thread?

I tried to post this followup. It's the story of another woman who escaped from the same guy earlier that day.


Huh - well, at least it appears he was, in fact, looking for an unoccupied house. Even so, I'd agree with factoryconnection and Zelron, et al, that he got what he deserved.
 
2013-01-08 09:36:22 AM
Oh, and before you buy a gun as a deterrent to an intruder... get a dog.
 
2013-01-08 09:37:42 AM

Kyro: Bit'O'Gristle: /Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.

Is this guy for real, or is he always this farking creepy?

I'm not a fan of guns. I'm 100% for what this woman did. But that's because I see guns as tools, and not toys. If she took him out by spraying the house with .223 rounds I'd be singing a different tune.


If she had a .223 rifle the guy probably wouldn't have been able to walk away. I don't see a problem with that.
 
2013-01-08 09:38:38 AM

Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.


Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.
 
2013-01-08 09:40:38 AM
If she had a .223 rifle her neighbor down the block might have taken a hit.

You know that new house has only sheetrock, not plaster and stucco like older homes. Like a hot knife through butter that would be.
 
2013-01-08 09:41:16 AM

factoryconnection: KrispyKritter: Purchasing a firearm is merely that, a purchase. Properly used, it will not result in monetary return unless later sold at higher value. This is merely a purchase, not an investment.

She invested in a firearm, ammunition and some range time. As a result she still has her TV, computer, stereo, jewelry, and two unscathed kids. Not all investments pay off, but this one did.

Zelron: Okay, I think anyone who breaks into someone's house deserves what they get. That being said, if instead of telling her kids to be quiet if they'd made some noise, the guy probably would have left. Burglars usually like to burgle empty homes. Hence the repetitive doorbell ringing to make sure no one was home.

I'm betting this guy wasn't looking for an occupied home, and I'm certain he wasn't looking for a showdown, but I totally agree that he deserved what he got. This is the South and Castle Doctrine ain't nothin' to f*ck with.

I cannot fault her for retreating to a protected position and being silent, because all she knew was that there was a motivated criminal at her door. She addressed the threat properly and all the good guys are safe.


I think one thing she could have done differently was called the cops instead of her husband. But as you say, the good guys are safe.
 
2013-01-08 09:41:26 AM
I'm probably going to spend the money and get my Mosin kitted out. The wooden stock is heavy and not the best looking wood. I got my Mosin for about $140 and it is the best $140 I ever spent. 7.62 x 54 is a helluva round! I have some co-workers that want me to go with them the next time they go hog-hunting and I think this rifle would cut it.

I want to get an SKS but everytime I go on www.Gunbroker.com the nicer looking ones are priced at $450+. I'll probably try and pick one up at the next gun show.
 
2013-01-08 09:42:20 AM

Dynascape: If she had a .223 rifle her neighbor down the block might have taken a hit.

You know that new house has only sheetrock, not plaster and stucco like older homes. Like a hot knife through butter that would be.


Depends on the round. There are .223 frag rounds that don't have the overpenetration problems of the standard FMJ rounds.
 
2013-01-08 09:42:50 AM
I think Im in the minority... but I really dont like SKS's.

They're really cumbersome to hold properly, IMHO, and lacquered Bear ammo is total shiat.
 
2013-01-08 09:44:15 AM
A stone's throw from my home so I'm getting a kick ( from several firearms at a nearby range )
 
2013-01-08 09:45:15 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I advise something different. Retreat to a more secure location and challenge. Do not back yourself into a corner immediately. Challenge from the upstairs hallway. "I know you are down there and I have a gun! The police have been called" Don't just rush into the bedroom closet and cower. You know the house, he doesn't. Give yourself space to move and shoot if needed.


That can provide better results, assuming the assailant isn't psychotic. In Charleston last year a father challenged the intruders outside his door so they blasted away with their shotguns. The father was hit, his sleeping toddler was murdered in her bed.

I can't fault that father, either; nothing short of pre-emptive M240G fire through the door would have resolved that situation appropriately. Yes, the scumbags are still at large.
 
2013-01-08 09:48:17 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Doom MD: Gun ban advocates would've preferred she was raped in front of her children. Cognitive dissonance in 3... 2... 1...

/Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.


Says the kid whose most dangerous experience to date was having his ALF pogs taken by force in the schoolyard...

\armed Liberal
 
2013-01-08 09:48:31 AM

Zelron: I think one thing she could have done differently was called the cops instead of her husband. But as you say, the good guys are safe.


She was already on the phone with him, if I'm reading TFA correctly. She tells him that she's grabbing the boys and her pistol, he calls 911 and floors it home.

Personally, I'd hope that my wife would set off our panic alarm or put it in "hostage" mode and hide the kids while calling 911. That's what we pay ADT for.
 
2013-01-08 09:48:33 AM
MAC-11 select-fire in .380 with Black Talons.

20 rounds per second of liberal love!

/$100 to fill a mag.
 
2013-01-08 09:49:00 AM

computerguyUT: stevarooni:

The guy in the article got what he deserved. Unfortunately in anti gunland, the woman would have been raped ...


I agree he got what he deserved. You can't be sure if the woman would have been raped. If she'd made noise when the doorbell rang the burglar probably would have bolted.
 
2013-01-08 09:54:15 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.


Yes, and nukes, biological weapons, chemical weapons, and machine guns are heavily restricted, let's not forget that. I can't believe they took our nukes!
 
2013-01-08 09:59:26 AM

MythDragon: Dynascape: have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.

I prefer #9 birdshot
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585 tiny little pellets. They won't have enough penetration to reach any vitals on a human-sized target. But they Will. Fark. You. Up. There are 585 of those little bastards. You know they will never get all of those out of you.


I think my 3 1/2 12 gauge with turkey loads might be overkill... nah, old houses spread far apart in my neighborhood.
 
2013-01-08 10:06:03 AM

factoryconnection: Zelron: I think one thing she could have done differently was called the cops instead of her husband. But as you say, the good guys are safe.

She was already on the phone with him, if I'm reading TFA correctly. She tells him that she's grabbing the boys and her pistol, he calls 911 and floors it home.

Personally, I'd hope that my wife would set off our panic alarm or put it in "hostage" mode and hide the kids while calling 911. That's what we pay ADT for.


Funny, apparently we pay ADT to tell us that a "spider swinging on a thread" must have set off one of our motion sensors while we were out of town. Sadly, when pressed for why the alarm went off, this was the best story these idiots could come up with.
 
2013-01-08 10:09:26 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.


Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns. We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.
 
2013-01-08 10:11:24 AM

Kyro: Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.

Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns. We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.


What is a popular mass murder tool? Can you define that for me?
 
2013-01-08 10:15:28 AM

Doom MD: Kyro: Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.

Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns. We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.

What is a popular mass murder tool? Can you define that for me?


sticks. please think of all the innocent humans killed in the last million years by sticks!

seriously, governments and militaries are the largest sources of mass murder in history. They just call it nation building.
 
2013-01-08 10:15:45 AM

Doom MD: Kyro: Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: What is a popular mass murder tool? Can you define that for me?


Anything that looks scary, duh.
 
2013-01-08 10:16:12 AM

odinsposse: Kyro: Bit'O'Gristle: /Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.

Is this guy for real, or is he always this farking creepy?

I'm not a fan of guns. I'm 100% for what this woman did. But that's because I see guns as tools, and not toys. If she took him out by spraying the house with .223 rounds I'd be singing a different tune.

If she had a .223 rifle the guy probably wouldn't have been able to walk away. I don't see a problem with that.


If she had a bushmaster (or a shotgun, or any big gun), she might have felt confident enough to confront him sooner and send him packing without any shots being fired.

I suspect why there isn't a paper trail for many such encounters is because "assault weapons" are big and scary. They end encounters before the paperwork gets filed.
 
2013-01-08 11:32:31 AM

Kyro: Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns.


Semantics matter. Words are important, and often tinged with emotion as well as meaning. Being pedantic isn't helpful, but using words incorrectly or loosely, or inventing a phrase ("Assault weapon") to try to conflate two things that are fundamentally different (vs. "Assault rifle") is misleading, bordering on lying.

Kyro: We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.


My right to own weapons ends where your nose begins. Up until that point, I can own a weapon. It's when it's misused that problems occur. And the danger of mass murder is a problem, but don't inflate it beyond its actual danger. 88 people died in 2012 in mass killings. Those are human lives, tragedies of course, but compared to the number of gun-based murders in general, they're statistically insignificant. The number of people killed by rifles per year, on average, is a little over 300; the number of people killed on average by guns at all is in the tens of thousands.

Don't take away my rights for something that I didn't do, that I won't do, that few people do (and relatively few die from), and tell me that "You didn't need that, anyway." That's preemption, and it's B.S.
 
2013-01-08 11:54:46 AM

Molavian: Man, you'd think that guy would've learned the first time.


Sorry, you must live in some fantasy world where criminals don't take jail as some kind of vacation home.
Bring back Chain Groups.

Just sad he didn't bleed out.
 
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