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2013-01-08 08:53:59 AM
Man, you'd think that guy would've learned the first time.
 
2013-01-08 08:54:05 AM
Excellent headline.
 
2013-01-08 08:56:35 AM
Gun ban advocates would've preferred she was raped in front of her children. Cognitive dissonance in 3... 2... 1...
 
2013-01-08 08:56:40 AM
How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.
 
2013-01-08 08:57:46 AM

Molavian: Man, you'd think that guy would've learned the first time.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-01-08 08:59:52 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.


I have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.
 
2013-01-08 09:02:09 AM
He didn't get what he was looking for but he sure got what he deserved!
 
2013-01-08 09:02:37 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.


.38 special is fine for home defense. It's not like this lady actually shot the guy in the middle of the face and neck. She probably just creased him a few times.

The Taurus "Judge" line of guns are a novelty. Spend the money on ammo and practice with your .38 so you can hit a target under stress unlike this lady.
 
2013-01-08 09:03:10 AM
 
2013-01-08 09:03:48 AM
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Stupid tags.
 
2013-01-08 09:03:56 AM
Wasn't the guy expected to live? So the taxpayers will be paying to nurse this asshole back to health, pay to charge and convict him (again), and likely pay to house, clothe, and feed him for the rest of his natural life?

I'm advocating MORE high-capacity magazines! If she had only used something other than a revolver with a 6-shot limit (without reloading), we'd be talking about how much cheaper the incineration of a corpse would've been....
 
2013-01-08 09:04:03 AM

Doom MD: Gun ban advocates would've preferred she was raped in front of her children. Cognitive dissonance in 3... 2... 1...


/Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.
 
2013-01-08 09:04:24 AM
This is what's going to happen when we raise the price of bullets up to $10,000.00 per bullet.
 
2013-01-08 09:05:14 AM

Cythraul: This is what's going to happen when we raise the price of bullets up to $10,000.00 per bullet.


I know a "dude" down the street that will sell you drugs bullets for a good price!

/same thing
 
2013-01-08 09:05:19 AM

Dynascape: I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.

I have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.


/Remington 870 with OO buck,
 
2013-01-08 09:07:47 AM
criminal "help me, I'm close to dying"

officer : "I would but I'm about to go on a union mandated coffee break, sorry"

taxpayers rejoice.
 
2013-01-08 09:07:55 AM
Damn. The guy was 32. By that time in your life, one would hope to be out of the B&E business by then.
 
2013-01-08 09:09:07 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: /Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.


Is this guy for real, or is he always this farking creepy?

I'm not a fan of guns. I'm 100% for what this woman did. But that's because I see guns as tools, and not toys. If she took him out by spraying the house with .223 rounds I'd be singing a different tune.
 
2013-01-08 09:10:20 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Dynascape: I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.

I have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.

/Remington 870 with OO buck,


I keep birdshot because our houses are close together and I dont want to hurt anyone if that happens.

OTOH, if you LIVE after taking a shotgun blast to the chest... fine... you can have my TV. You've earned it.

I'll crate it up and put it in your truck for you even.
 
2013-01-08 09:10:28 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: /Remington 870 with OO buck,


I put #1 buck in my 870. Still not quite enough to overpenetrate my walls, but anyone hit is not getting up again. 00 might, just maybe, continue on.
 
2013-01-08 09:13:01 AM

stevarooni: I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

Use the .357 Magnum for which the revolver was made, a good defensive round will do the trick (Hornady makes good stuff...even the silly "Zombie rounds"). Lots of dry firing practice so that you don't hesitate or jerk the trigger. A few times at the range (though once a month would be ideal). Good to go.

Taurus' Public Defender is a good revolver, from what I've heard, but a .357 Magnum is plenty. Heck, a .38 Special with a good load is plenty, but when you absolutely, positively have to stop 'em in their tracks....


.357 is the number one manstopper, but it penetrates too much for residential self defense.
.40 S&W is a fantastic round, but I personally lean towards .45.
(I have no use for anything 9mm and smaller, but that's just me)
Proven knockdown power and the large cross section of the .45 keeps traveling through "other things" to a minimum. It's cheap and easy to reload and brass can be reused numerous times due to the low pressure.
Also depending on the round .45 can be subsonic where your other rounds will have a supersonic boom associated with the shot.
That being said, there is no replacement for a nice Ruger SP101 or S&W airlite with .38 spl +p. That's what I keep in the safe by the front door and what my wife carries. Revolvers are just simple. No bs, and very fun to shoot.

A defensive shotgun is a proven good choice, but you need to consider stock length. I have a scary black speedfeed pistol grip stock on my Remington 870 Marine Tactical. Ooohhhh scaaarryyyy....
Just the black stock alone is enough to scare away most anti gunners, but if needs be, I can hold it much closer to my body than a regular stock.

The guy in the article got what he deserved. Unfortunately in anti gunland, the woman would have been raped and murdered and somehow that's better.
 
2013-01-08 09:13:53 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.


Invest: to put (money) to use, by purchase or expenditure, in something offering potential profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.

Purchasing a firearm is merely that, a purchase. Properly used, it will not result in monetary return unless later sold at higher value. This is merely a purchase, not an investment.

/ thoughts, mine

PS: people that have sought or received mental health treatment are required to state same when seeking ownership of firearms. to discriminate against those who battled depression etcetera which may ultimately leave them unable to defend themselves in case of home invasion is quite unfair and should be ruled unconstitutional. i too should have the right to bare arms just like those who choose to consider purchasing a firearm as an investment. just because i'm an old fat man with no children doesn't mean there isn't someone looking to break in and rape my hemorrhoids. oh, the horrors. who will protect my comic books?

/ paranoia, mine
 
2013-01-08 09:14:15 AM

Cythraul: This is what's going to happen when we raise the price of bullets up to $10,000.00 per bullet.


He might very well have intended to steal the bullets, then. ;-)
 
2013-01-08 09:15:00 AM
Channel 2's Amy Napier Viteri learned from Chapman late Friday night that slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach.

He said if Slater survives the night, doctors will try to operate in the morning to repair the damage.

Chapman said Slater has four exit wounds.

so that is 3 body shots, 1 neck wound, and a Head shot. 5 out of 6 shots on target.
 
2013-01-08 09:15:28 AM

Molavian: I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.

.38 special is fine for home defense. It's not like this lady actually shot the guy in the middle of the face and neck. She probably just creased him a few times.

The Taurus "Judge" line of guns are a novelty. Spend the money on ammo and practice with your .38 so you can hit a target under stress unlike this lady.


That's what I've read from some Taurus firearms reviews. That the judge isn't made of quality parts. I do go to the local range about once a month. I'm a good shot and can usually completely shoot out the X on the target at 10 yds.

I was just curious how a guy could get shot that many times, ask the person to stop shooting him, and walk away. Weird.....

I have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.


I have a Remington 870 with 2 3/4 in. shells and I put a collapsible pistol grip stock on it. Shotguns are hard to go around corners with and I want something that I can fire off quickly. Maybe I'll get a Glock .32

I also had a Springfield 1911 but I couldn't hit crap. And no matter how many times I cleaned it, it would rust up like you wouldn't believe. I sold it to a friend.

I also have a Mosin-Nagent. The barrell is dated 1942 and probably was never fired until I bought it. It has a helluva kick and is suprisingly accurate. I bought a nice hard plastic stock, scope, scope mount, and was thinking of getting a gunsmith to kit it out. I want to cut the sights off the end of the barrel, put on the new stock and scope, and dura-coat the whole thing. A local gunsmith said he could do the whole thing for $285.

I'm not wasting my money am I?
 
2013-01-08 09:15:40 AM
 
2013-01-08 09:15:43 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.


I had a .22 rifle and killed an intruder with a single shot. its not what you shoot, its how you shoot it.
 
2013-01-08 09:16:05 AM

Doom MD: Gun ban advocates would've preferred she was raped in front of her children. Cognitive dissonance in 3... 2... 1...


Okay, I think anyone who breaks into someone's house deserves what they get. That being said, if instead of telling her kids to be quiet if they'd made some noise, the guy probably would have left. Burglars usually like to burgle empty homes. Hence the repetitive doorbell ringing to make sure no one was home.

However, you're still more likely to be hurt by your own gun than to be in a situation where using it would improve the outcome. For ever one of this brave woman, there are 2.7 more who weren't in danger except for the loaded gun in their house and weren't so lucky.
 
2013-01-08 09:16:10 AM

computerguyUT: Unfortunately in anti gunland, the woman would have been raped and murdered and somehow that's better.


i.imgur.com

Gun Control does not equal banning guns.
 
2013-01-08 09:16:32 AM

Molavian: .38 special is fine for home defense. It's not like this lady actually shot the guy in the middle of the face and neck. She probably just creased him a few times.


She punctured both his lungs, his stomach and his liver. It sounds as if his toxicology report is going to use up all the paper in the hospital printing center.

The nice thing is that she doesn't have to sweat having killed a man, while savoring that she saved her kids and self from this nigh-indestructable menace.
 
2013-01-08 09:16:32 AM

AngryDragon: Bit'O'Gristle: /Remington 870 with OO buck,

I put #1 buck in my 870. Still not quite enough to overpenetrate my walls, but anyone hit is not getting up again. 00 might, just maybe, continue on.


Seems to me most of what I've read regarding 12ga loads for the home recommend #4 buckshot. You aren't walking away from it but there is less overpenetration. Or go with reduced power 00 buck.
 
2013-01-08 09:16:44 AM
Dont you dare rape that Mosin-Nagant by putting some shiatty plastic on it.

It needs hard Russian wood like Babushka intended.
 
2013-01-08 09:17:51 AM

AngryDragon: Bit'O'Gristle: /Remington 870 with OO buck,

I put #1 buck in my 870. Still not quite enough to overpenetrate my walls, but anyone hit is not getting up again. 00 might, just maybe, continue on.


00 in my Mossberg 500 for me, frag rounds in the AR-15 for the wife (she doesn't like the size/weight/kick of the shotty)

And are we now just repeating old links to have our daily guns are evil/no they aren't thread?
 
2013-01-08 09:18:58 AM
If she used the Mozambique Drill,
www.frfrogspad.com
She wouldn't have had to run away with an empty gun, and this asshole wouldn't be in a hospital sticking taxpayers with a bill.
 
2013-01-08 09:19:02 AM

Doom MD: Gun ban advocates would've preferred she was raped in front of her children. Cognitive dissonance in 3... 2... 1...


last time I checked, a .38 is the same as a semi-automatic rifle.
 
2013-01-08 09:21:57 AM
People, people people...

A .38 is a very nice weapon, capable of killing a man instantly. Easy to handle, was used by police of many years. However, for home defense purposes, I always recommend hollow point rounds when using a .38.

""My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner," Donnie Herman said. "

Damn right she is. What bothers me are there people who think she isn't and shouldn't even have had the pistol as an option in the first place. For the statistics that they cite talking about how it's more likely that you'll get struck by lightning or some such than face this scenario, people can and do get struck by lighting and you won't see me running around outside holding a metal rod up during a thunderstorm as a result. You also won't find me unarmed if you break into my house at night.

/...oh and I use a .40 S&W semiauto that holds 15 rounds...the only ambulance you'll be seeing when I'm finished is the one taking you to the morgue
 
2013-01-08 09:22:11 AM

Madaynun: so that is 3 body shots, 1 neck wound, and a Head shot. 5 out of 6 shots on target.


A doorway is called the fatal funnel for a reason.
 
2013-01-08 09:23:16 AM

Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.


I agree.
www.paulehoward.com
 
2013-01-08 09:24:09 AM

KrispyKritter: Purchasing a firearm is merely that, a purchase. Properly used, it will not result in monetary return unless later sold at higher value. This is merely a purchase, not an investment.


She invested in a firearm, ammunition and some range time. As a result she still has her TV, computer, stereo, jewelry, and two unscathed kids. Not all investments pay off, but this one did.

Zelron: Okay, I think anyone who breaks into someone's house deserves what they get. That being said, if instead of telling her kids to be quiet if they'd made some noise, the guy probably would have left. Burglars usually like to burgle empty homes. Hence the repetitive doorbell ringing to make sure no one was home.


I'm betting this guy wasn't looking for an occupied home, and I'm certain he wasn't looking for a showdown, but I totally agree that he deserved what he got. This is the South and Castle Doctrine ain't nothin' to f*ck with.

I cannot fault her for retreating to a protected position and being silent, because all she knew was that there was a motivated criminal at her door. She addressed the threat properly and all the good guys are safe.
 
2013-01-08 09:24:26 AM

hdhale: What bothers me are there people who think she isn't and shouldn't even have had the pistol as an option in the first place.


Who are these people?

www.foodrepublic.com

Show me people!
 
2013-01-08 09:24:35 AM

Uisce Beatha: And are we now just repeating old links to have our daily guns are evil/no they aren't thread?


I tried to post this followup. It's the story of another woman who escaped from the same guy earlier that day.
 
2013-01-08 09:24:43 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: Molavian: I am Wee Todd Ed: How do you survive getting shot 5 times in the face and neck with a .38?

I have a .357 5 shot revolver that I load with .38 spl. I thought that would be enough stopping power for home defense but now I'm not so sure. Might have to invest and buy the Taurus Public Defender. Any thoughts?

* Just for the record I keep it in a small secure gun safe.

.38 special is fine for home defense. It's not like this lady actually shot the guy in the middle of the face and neck. She probably just creased him a few times.

The Taurus "Judge" line of guns are a novelty. Spend the money on ammo and practice with your .38 so you can hit a target under stress unlike this lady.

That's what I've read from some Taurus firearms reviews. That the judge isn't made of quality parts. I do go to the local range about once a month. I'm a good shot and can usually completely shoot out the X on the target at 10 yds.

I was just curious how a guy could get shot that many times, ask the person to stop shooting him, and walk away. Weird.....

I have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.

I have a Remington 870 with 2 3/4 in. shells and I put a collapsible pistol grip stock on it. Shotguns are hard to go around corners with and I want something that I can fire off quickly. Maybe I'll get a Glock .32

I also had a Springfield 1911 but I couldn't hit crap. And no matter how many times I cleaned it, it would rust up like you wouldn't believe. I sold it to a friend.

I also have a Mosin-Nagent. The barrell is dated 1942 and probably was never fired until I bought it. It has a helluva kick and is suprisingly accurate. I bought a nice hard plastic stock, scope, scope mount, and was thinking of getting a gunsmith to kit it out. I want to cut the sights off the end of the barrel, put on the new stock and scope, and dura-coat the whole thing. A local gunsmith said he could do the whole thing for $285.

I'm not wasting my money am I?


No if you don't like your mosin sporterized you can always go pick up another one. I got mine for $25 stamped 1940, best purchase I ever made. Penetrating 1/2" steel plate at 175 yards with iron sights? Accept no substitutes.

7.62x54r kicks like a mule but will make you deaf if you use it for home defense. That's what the SKS is for. Plus 54r turns cinder blocks to dust at 100 yards, so if you like your neighbors I wouldn't use the mosin.
 
2013-01-08 09:27:41 AM
Better headline, but it is a repeat.
 
2013-01-08 09:29:14 AM
duffblue

Good luck getting a Mosin under $150-200 anytime soon.

Hell, even 1944-marked carbines are $250+ right now.
 
2013-01-08 09:29:45 AM

MythDragon: If she used the Mozambique Drill,
[www.frfrogspad.com image 146x230]
She wouldn't have had to run away with an empty gun, and this asshole wouldn't be in a hospital sticking taxpayers with a bill.


Eh. she was close. The head shot was about an inch too low and now the perp will be gumming Bubba.
 
2013-01-08 09:29:54 AM

factoryconnection: I cannot fault her for retreating to a protected position and being silent, because all she knew was that there was a motivated criminal at her door. She addressed the threat properly and all the good guys are safe.


I advise something different. Retreat to a more secure location and challenge. Do not back yourself into a corner immediately. Challenge from the upstairs hallway. "I know you are down there and I have a gun! The police have been called" Don't just rush into the bedroom closet and cower. You know the house, he doesn't. Give yourself space to move and shoot if needed.

He could have easily just started shooting into that closet and they would have been doomed. (Something similar happened here a few months back)
 
2013-01-08 09:30:13 AM
four exit wounds so he left with 2
we need more b&e's to end like this.
way to go mom!
mom may think it could have ended differently
if she gets a chance to read fark, she will know how we wanted it to end.
i doubt he wanted to leave witnesses.
 
2013-01-08 09:30:19 AM

Kyro: hdhale: What bothers me are there people who think she isn't and shouldn't even have had the pistol as an option in the first place.

Who are these people?



Show me people!


I bet this woman has a tiny penis. Who needs military style semiautomatic firearms?
 
2013-01-08 09:30:26 AM

Dynascape: have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.


I prefer #9 birdshot
4.bp.blogspot.com
585 tiny little pellets. They won't have enough penetration to reach any vitals on a human-sized target. But they Will. Fark. You. Up. There are 585 of those little bastards. You know they will never get all of those out of you.
 
2013-01-08 09:31:58 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: He could have easily just started shooting into that closet and they would have been doomed. (Something similar happened here a few months back)


Something similar happened here a couple days ago.
 
2013-01-08 09:32:37 AM

MythDragon: Dynascape: have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.

I prefer #9 birdshot

585 tiny little pellets. They won't have enough penetration to reach any vitals on a human-sized target. But they Will. Fark. You. Up. There are 585 of those little bastards. You know they will never get all of those out of you.


Great image!!!!

Thats my point. 00 Buck seems a little overkill for me (in that I dont want to overkill my neighbors), but thats just my opinion.
 
2013-01-08 09:34:09 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: factoryconnection: I cannot fault her for retreating to a protected position and being silent, because all she knew was that there was a motivated criminal at her door. She addressed the threat properly and all the good guys are safe.

I advise something different. Retreat to a more secure location and challenge. Do not back yourself into a corner immediately. Challenge from the upstairs hallway. "I know you are down there and I have a gun! The police have been called" Don't just rush into the bedroom closet and cower. You know the house, he doesn't. Give yourself space to move and shoot if needed.

He could have easily just started shooting into that closet and they would have been doomed. (Something similar happened here a few months back)


That very thing happened the same day on the other side of town.
 
2013-01-08 09:34:30 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Uisce Beatha: And are we now just repeating old links to have our daily guns are evil/no they aren't thread?

I tried to post this followup. It's the story of another woman who escaped from the same guy earlier that day.


Huh - well, at least it appears he was, in fact, looking for an unoccupied house. Even so, I'd agree with factoryconnection and Zelron, et al, that he got what he deserved.
 
2013-01-08 09:36:22 AM
Oh, and before you buy a gun as a deterrent to an intruder... get a dog.
 
2013-01-08 09:37:42 AM

Kyro: Bit'O'Gristle: /Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.

Is this guy for real, or is he always this farking creepy?

I'm not a fan of guns. I'm 100% for what this woman did. But that's because I see guns as tools, and not toys. If she took him out by spraying the house with .223 rounds I'd be singing a different tune.


If she had a .223 rifle the guy probably wouldn't have been able to walk away. I don't see a problem with that.
 
2013-01-08 09:38:38 AM

Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.


Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.
 
2013-01-08 09:40:38 AM
If she had a .223 rifle her neighbor down the block might have taken a hit.

You know that new house has only sheetrock, not plaster and stucco like older homes. Like a hot knife through butter that would be.
 
2013-01-08 09:41:16 AM

factoryconnection: KrispyKritter: Purchasing a firearm is merely that, a purchase. Properly used, it will not result in monetary return unless later sold at higher value. This is merely a purchase, not an investment.

She invested in a firearm, ammunition and some range time. As a result she still has her TV, computer, stereo, jewelry, and two unscathed kids. Not all investments pay off, but this one did.

Zelron: Okay, I think anyone who breaks into someone's house deserves what they get. That being said, if instead of telling her kids to be quiet if they'd made some noise, the guy probably would have left. Burglars usually like to burgle empty homes. Hence the repetitive doorbell ringing to make sure no one was home.

I'm betting this guy wasn't looking for an occupied home, and I'm certain he wasn't looking for a showdown, but I totally agree that he deserved what he got. This is the South and Castle Doctrine ain't nothin' to f*ck with.

I cannot fault her for retreating to a protected position and being silent, because all she knew was that there was a motivated criminal at her door. She addressed the threat properly and all the good guys are safe.


I think one thing she could have done differently was called the cops instead of her husband. But as you say, the good guys are safe.
 
2013-01-08 09:41:26 AM
I'm probably going to spend the money and get my Mosin kitted out. The wooden stock is heavy and not the best looking wood. I got my Mosin for about $140 and it is the best $140 I ever spent. 7.62 x 54 is a helluva round! I have some co-workers that want me to go with them the next time they go hog-hunting and I think this rifle would cut it.

I want to get an SKS but everytime I go on www.Gunbroker.com the nicer looking ones are priced at $450+. I'll probably try and pick one up at the next gun show.
 
2013-01-08 09:42:20 AM

Dynascape: If she had a .223 rifle her neighbor down the block might have taken a hit.

You know that new house has only sheetrock, not plaster and stucco like older homes. Like a hot knife through butter that would be.


Depends on the round. There are .223 frag rounds that don't have the overpenetration problems of the standard FMJ rounds.
 
2013-01-08 09:42:50 AM
I think Im in the minority... but I really dont like SKS's.

They're really cumbersome to hold properly, IMHO, and lacquered Bear ammo is total shiat.
 
2013-01-08 09:44:15 AM
A stone's throw from my home so I'm getting a kick ( from several firearms at a nearby range )
 
2013-01-08 09:45:15 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I advise something different. Retreat to a more secure location and challenge. Do not back yourself into a corner immediately. Challenge from the upstairs hallway. "I know you are down there and I have a gun! The police have been called" Don't just rush into the bedroom closet and cower. You know the house, he doesn't. Give yourself space to move and shoot if needed.


That can provide better results, assuming the assailant isn't psychotic. In Charleston last year a father challenged the intruders outside his door so they blasted away with their shotguns. The father was hit, his sleeping toddler was murdered in her bed.

I can't fault that father, either; nothing short of pre-emptive M240G fire through the door would have resolved that situation appropriately. Yes, the scumbags are still at large.
 
2013-01-08 09:48:17 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Doom MD: Gun ban advocates would've preferred she was raped in front of her children. Cognitive dissonance in 3... 2... 1...

/Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.


Says the kid whose most dangerous experience to date was having his ALF pogs taken by force in the schoolyard...

\armed Liberal
 
2013-01-08 09:48:31 AM

Zelron: I think one thing she could have done differently was called the cops instead of her husband. But as you say, the good guys are safe.


She was already on the phone with him, if I'm reading TFA correctly. She tells him that she's grabbing the boys and her pistol, he calls 911 and floors it home.

Personally, I'd hope that my wife would set off our panic alarm or put it in "hostage" mode and hide the kids while calling 911. That's what we pay ADT for.
 
2013-01-08 09:48:33 AM
MAC-11 select-fire in .380 with Black Talons.

20 rounds per second of liberal love!

/$100 to fill a mag.
 
2013-01-08 09:49:00 AM

computerguyUT: stevarooni:

The guy in the article got what he deserved. Unfortunately in anti gunland, the woman would have been raped ...


I agree he got what he deserved. You can't be sure if the woman would have been raped. If she'd made noise when the doorbell rang the burglar probably would have bolted.
 
2013-01-08 09:54:15 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.


Yes, and nukes, biological weapons, chemical weapons, and machine guns are heavily restricted, let's not forget that. I can't believe they took our nukes!
 
2013-01-08 09:59:26 AM

MythDragon: Dynascape: have a 12 gauge with 7.5 birdshot.

Enough to kill someone at close range, but not powerful enough to go through walls and kill my neighbors.

I prefer #9 birdshot
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585 tiny little pellets. They won't have enough penetration to reach any vitals on a human-sized target. But they Will. Fark. You. Up. There are 585 of those little bastards. You know they will never get all of those out of you.


I think my 3 1/2 12 gauge with turkey loads might be overkill... nah, old houses spread far apart in my neighborhood.
 
2013-01-08 10:06:03 AM

factoryconnection: Zelron: I think one thing she could have done differently was called the cops instead of her husband. But as you say, the good guys are safe.

She was already on the phone with him, if I'm reading TFA correctly. She tells him that she's grabbing the boys and her pistol, he calls 911 and floors it home.

Personally, I'd hope that my wife would set off our panic alarm or put it in "hostage" mode and hide the kids while calling 911. That's what we pay ADT for.


Funny, apparently we pay ADT to tell us that a "spider swinging on a thread" must have set off one of our motion sensors while we were out of town. Sadly, when pressed for why the alarm went off, this was the best story these idiots could come up with.
 
2013-01-08 10:09:26 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.


Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns. We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.
 
2013-01-08 10:11:24 AM

Kyro: Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.

Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns. We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.


What is a popular mass murder tool? Can you define that for me?
 
2013-01-08 10:15:28 AM

Doom MD: Kyro: Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: Gun Control does not equal banning guns.

Actually, yes it does. If you look at all of the "gun control" proposals each and every one so far does in fact ban some type of gun.

Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns. We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.

What is a popular mass murder tool? Can you define that for me?


sticks. please think of all the innocent humans killed in the last million years by sticks!

seriously, governments and militaries are the largest sources of mass murder in history. They just call it nation building.
 
2013-01-08 10:15:45 AM

Doom MD: Kyro: Mr. Eugenides: Kyro: What is a popular mass murder tool? Can you define that for me?


Anything that looks scary, duh.
 
2013-01-08 10:16:12 AM

odinsposse: Kyro: Bit'O'Gristle: /Indeed. Everyone knows its MUCH better to have no way to defend yourself, and just lay down and take it deep like a good liberal. Die like you have a pair gun haters.

Is this guy for real, or is he always this farking creepy?

I'm not a fan of guns. I'm 100% for what this woman did. But that's because I see guns as tools, and not toys. If she took him out by spraying the house with .223 rounds I'd be singing a different tune.

If she had a .223 rifle the guy probably wouldn't have been able to walk away. I don't see a problem with that.


If she had a bushmaster (or a shotgun, or any big gun), she might have felt confident enough to confront him sooner and send him packing without any shots being fired.

I suspect why there isn't a paper trail for many such encounters is because "assault weapons" are big and scary. They end encounters before the paperwork gets filed.
 
2013-01-08 11:32:31 AM

Kyro: Fine. Dilute the argument by getting hung on semantics. Gun control does not equal banning all guns.


Semantics matter. Words are important, and often tinged with emotion as well as meaning. Being pedantic isn't helpful, but using words incorrectly or loosely, or inventing a phrase ("Assault weapon") to try to conflate two things that are fundamentally different (vs. "Assault rifle") is misleading, bordering on lying.

Kyro: We simply think your right to bear arms does not override our right to life. This woman shows you can successfully, effectively defend your home using something that isn't putting her neighbors in danger and isn't a popular tool for mass murder.


My right to own weapons ends where your nose begins. Up until that point, I can own a weapon. It's when it's misused that problems occur. And the danger of mass murder is a problem, but don't inflate it beyond its actual danger. 88 people died in 2012 in mass killings. Those are human lives, tragedies of course, but compared to the number of gun-based murders in general, they're statistically insignificant. The number of people killed by rifles per year, on average, is a little over 300; the number of people killed on average by guns at all is in the tens of thousands.

Don't take away my rights for something that I didn't do, that I won't do, that few people do (and relatively few die from), and tell me that "You didn't need that, anyway." That's preemption, and it's B.S.
 
2013-01-08 11:54:46 AM

Molavian: Man, you'd think that guy would've learned the first time.


Sorry, you must live in some fantasy world where criminals don't take jail as some kind of vacation home.
Bring back Chain Groups.

Just sad he didn't bleed out.
 
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