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(WPBF West Palm Beach)   Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier. "There really isn't enough information actually that we can go on. The information that we do have, the information that is being withheld, leads one to be somewhat skeptical"   (wpbf.com ) divider line
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-08 08:48:32 AM  
Michael Harris opined that the shooting was carried out by an Israeli paramilitary team.
....Despite compelling geopolitical and diplomatic conditions the claim cannot be verified because the identities of the two-to-four additional suspected gunmen apprehended by Newtown and Connecticut state police remain undisclosed


WTF?
 
2013-01-08 09:06:10 AM  
Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.
 
2013-01-08 09:20:28 AM  
"For example, looking at the autopsies, much of what journalist institutions are going on are pronouncements from law enforcement authorities and the medical examiner."

Well that's just ca-razy!  They should have asked what Madge, who runs the local 5 and dime, had to say.
 
2013-01-08 09:29:08 AM  
It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.
 
2013-01-08 09:36:01 AM  
"While talking to WPBF, Tracy posed questions about security video, two other suspects in the shooting and the Obama administration's agenda with gun control."

Ah.
 
2013-01-08 09:36:19 AM  
The only explanation is that Lorne Michaels is a cult leader. Belushi tried to escape=dead. Then Victoria Jackson and her dead brain. Now this.
 
2013-01-08 09:57:56 AM  
tenure
 
2013-01-08 10:10:22 AM  
Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.
 
2013-01-08 10:12:49 AM  
James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events.
 
2013-01-08 10:17:15 AM  
Hurricane Sandy happened! Get over it. I saw it on the Weather Channel!
 
2013-01-08 10:17:18 AM  
"and the Obama administration's agenda with gun control."

FFS.  Where is his Tea Party card?
 
2013-01-08 10:18:26 AM  
That is a special kind of stupid right there. If we could bottle that kind of stupid it could be weaponized.
 
2013-01-08 10:18:44 AM  

Diogenes: James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events nut job conspiracies.


FTFY.
 
2013-01-08 10:18:48 AM  

Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.


The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year
 
2013-01-08 10:19:05 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.


"Libel" against Dan Aykroyd or the named Dan Ackroyd? I do agree that the professor doesn't look like the actor from "Grosse Pointe Blank."

Maybe this article would make more sense if I'd read the blog by James Tracy, but I don't want to contribute to his self-esteem.
 
2013-01-08 10:19:09 AM  
I think his wig is made of tin foil.  And it's on too tight.
 
2013-01-08 10:19:29 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Doesn't even look like him.


Seriously. And yeah it's treading into libel territory, it seems to me, too.


/not a lawyer
 
2013-01-08 10:19:37 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible.


img827.imageshack.us
"That's some lible, bibble!"
 
2013-01-08 10:20:06 AM  
People said the same thing about the Aurora shootings. As with most conspiracies, some weirdoes are comforted in thinking that there is a grand design behind the absurd chaotic horror of the human condition.
 
2013-01-08 10:20:15 AM  
Hunh.
 
2013-01-08 10:20:42 AM  
His toupee is a tin foil toupee
i196.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-08 10:20:50 AM  
Of course you forget. He was present at an undersea, unexplained mass sponge migration.
 
2013-01-08 10:21:20 AM  

factoryconnection: "Libel" against Dan Aykroyd or the named Dan Ackroyd?



Ha, didn't notice that.
 
2013-01-08 10:21:30 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.


I see it a little bit.

Article doesn't mention what this guy teaches, but the Florida Atlantic University doesn't even want to be associated with his opinions.
 
2013-01-08 10:22:18 AM  

freetomato: I think his wig is made of tin foil.  And it's on too tight.


That is an interesting pelt tacked to his head.
 
2013-01-08 10:23:13 AM  

Diogenes: James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events.


I wonder how many of his students have dropped his class.
 
2013-01-08 10:23:22 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible


Um, that would be considered bad spelling.
 
2013-01-08 10:24:27 AM  

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.


I have a couple co-workers who started up that line the very second I told them about the shooting here at CTC (as it was happening).  I walk up and tell them, "somebody is shooting up the Town Center...right now."  First thing out of their mouths was, "NO WAY."  Second thing was, "IT'S A SET-UP!!!"

Then when Sandy Hook happened they really went nuts.

Mind you, this was with ABSOLUTELY NO PROMPTING.  They didn't get this crap from Wing Nut Daily or Drudge.  Literally the first thing that came into their minds was it being a conspiracy to push through another "assault weapon" ban.  It was an amazing thing to watch.
 
2013-01-08 10:24:51 AM  
Dan Ackroyd also believes in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.

/Dan Aykroyd, too
 
2013-01-08 10:25:25 AM  
All I know is if it were a mainly black student school and the victims were mainly black, the story would be over by now.

/I know that's not the point at all. I just wanted to say it.
 
TWX
2013-01-08 10:25:51 AM  
Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.
 
2013-01-08 10:26:06 AM  
Damn! I was hoping it was THE Dan Ackroyd just so I could continue to rip him, a fairly ok comedian and a 'barely-was' actor who has been dining off two movies for past 30 years.


$150 for a bottle of vodka in a skull shaped bottle?

FFFFFFFFFFffffffffFFFFFFUUUUUUUuuuUUUuuUUu.
 
2013-01-08 10:26:19 AM  
FTA:

"I don't think journalists are really pressing for the right types of questions," he said. "For example, looking at the autopsies, much of what journalist institutions are going on are pronouncements from law enforcement authorities and the medical examiner."

WTF man? Well ya should have come on down to the coroner and got your hands dirty digging through all those guts then. Someone please call James Tracey next time so he can perform the autopsy, or at least recommend a coroner that he trusts.
 
2013-01-08 10:26:59 AM  
That oughta do it, thanks very much, Ray.
 
2013-01-08 10:27:15 AM  

factoryconnection: Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.

"Libel" against Dan Aykroyd or the named Dan Ackroyd? I do agree that the professor doesn't look like the actor from "Grosse Pointe Blank."

Maybe this article would make more sense if I'd read the blog by James Tracy, but I don't want to contribute to his self-esteem.


Think an unholy tryst of World Net Daily and AlterNet.
 
2013-01-08 10:28:36 AM  
I don't believe the shooting was politically motivated. It seems pretty clear that the dude's mom was going to have him committed, and he acted out because of it.

What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.
 
2013-01-08 10:29:20 AM  

radarlove: Dan Ackroyd also believes in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.

/Dan Aykroyd, too


I'll believe anything you want me to as long as it means a steady paycheck.
 
2013-01-08 10:29:29 AM  
Mass suicide of a 1st grade Mayan Doomsday Cult.

*nods*

I KNEW it!
 
2013-01-08 10:29:55 AM  
Great detective work there, Joe Friday.
 
2013-01-08 10:30:59 AM  
He's not the only one.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2013/01/jim_fetzer_umd_professor_e m eritus_thinks_us_government_was_behind_newtown_shooting.php


Sorry, I am lame and can't figure out how to add a ink
 
2013-01-08 10:31:01 AM  

Diogenes: James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events.


And effective trolling techniques.
 
2013-01-08 10:31:05 AM  
media.thereadystore.com
 
2013-01-08 10:31:11 AM  

Dog Welder: I'll believe anything you want me to as long as it means a steady paycheck. If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.


FTFY
 
2013-01-08 10:31:21 AM  

vpb: Michael Harris opined that the shooting was carried out by an Israeli paramilitary team.
....Despite compelling geopolitical and diplomatic conditions the claim cannot be verified because the identities of the two-to-four additional suspected gunmen apprehended by Newtown and Connecticut state police remain undisclosed

WTF?


Usually in a mass shooting, panicked witnesses often report multiple shooters. Instead of simply attributing it to someone who has never been under the extreme emotional distress of being shot at getting confused, it's evidence of that the shooting was really done by SEAL Team Twelve, and the lone nut in the media is the patsy.

...I don't get the Dan Ackroyd joke, either.
 
2013-01-08 10:32:13 AM  

Rann Xerox: Diogenes: James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events.

I wonder how many of his students have dropped

acid during his class.

I'm just asking questions.
 
2013-01-08 10:32:49 AM  

Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.


Came for the Sneakers reference.  Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-01-08 10:33:03 AM  
Not only is this article seven kinds of derp, it seems to be bringing out the derp in Fark.

/yeah, I'm probably including myself
 
2013-01-08 10:35:00 AM  
 
2013-01-08 10:35:16 AM  
"For example, looking at the autopsies, much of what journalist institutions are going on are pronouncements from law enforcement authorities and the medical examiner."

I can field this one... BECAUSE NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTS TO LOOK AT A SHOT UP BODY OF A SIX YEAR OLD UNLESS THEY HAVE TO!!
 
2013-01-08 10:36:28 AM  
Looking at that guy's dumb expression just made my brain shrink.
 
2013-01-08 10:39:02 AM  

RidgeRunner5: I don't believe the shooting was politically motivated. It seems pretty clear that the dude's mom was going to have him committed, and he acted out because of it.

What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.


Blame the modern "MUST GET THE SCOOP NOW" media.  They don't wait for facts, when they can be FIRST TO PRESS with random rumors and blatant lies.  Truth and reality don't matter.  Fear and outrage get eyeballs.
 
2013-01-08 10:39:21 AM  
Is he looking for evidence of thermite?
 
2013-01-08 10:39:46 AM  
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
 
2013-01-08 10:39:57 AM  
And this would be why most schools don't have many conservatives on staff.

Birthers
Truthers
Hookers?
 
2013-01-08 10:41:21 AM  

clancifer: "and the Obama administration's agenda with gun control."

FFS.  Where is his Tea Party card?


More importantly, I can't believe he allowed himself to be photographed without his tin-foil hat. Those cameras can read your brain waves, you know.
 
2013-01-08 10:41:22 AM  

Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.


The same people who framed Pete Rose
 
2013-01-08 10:41:24 AM  
So the headline is a reference to this guy looking like Dan Aykroyd?  That's more of a stretch than Joan Rivers' face.
 
2013-01-08 10:42:19 AM  
www.compliancebuilding.com
 
2013-01-08 10:43:28 AM  

Kuroshin: RidgeRunner5: I don't believe the shooting was politically motivated. It seems pretty clear that the dude's mom was going to have him committed, and he acted out because of it.

What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.

Blame the modern "MUST GET THE SCOOP NOW" media.  They don't wait for facts, when they can be FIRST TO PRESS with random rumors and blatant lies.  Truth and reality don't matter.  Fear and outrage get eyeballs.


Exactly. To them, being first is more important than being right.

Even on local newscasts, you hear anchors talk about how their station was "the first to bring you important new details in this developing story."

As a bonus, when they're wrong, they don't even bother saying they were wrong. They just get another set of "important new details" and rush those onto the air in place of the last set.
 
2013-01-08 10:43:29 AM  

RidgeRunner5: What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.


Uh, IIRC it really only went from 2 pistols, a rifle in the school, and a rifle in the car to 2 pistols, a rifle in the school, and a shotgun in the car.

I do distinctly recall a lot of people misinterpreting the revelation of a long gun in the car to mean that the bushmaster had been in the car, but it was obviously an additional gun. That's not really the narrative's fault.
 
2013-01-08 10:43:31 AM  

factoryconnection: Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.

"Libel" against Dan Aykroyd or the named Dan Ackroyd? I do agree that the professor doesn't look like the actor from "Grosse Pointe Blank."

Maybe this article would make more sense if I'd read the blog by James Tracy, but I don't want to contribute to his self-esteem.


Oh, you definitely need to read the blog post. It contains Time Cube levels of Derp. And don't worry about contributing to his self-esteem. The blog post link in the article is to the Memory Hole.
 
2013-01-08 10:44:14 AM  

TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.


I know what you mean. Sometimes I'm all like, "I'm not reading that article. I don't have time. The world needs to know my opinion about what what I think it's about right now!"
 
2013-01-08 10:44:42 AM  
He's on a mission from God
 
2013-01-08 10:45:04 AM  

Grimlock2099: "For example, looking at the autopsies, much of what journalist institutions are going on are pronouncements from law enforcement authorities and the medical examiner."

I can field this one... BECAUSE NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTS TO LOOK AT A SHOT UP BODY OF A SIX YEAR OLD UNLESS THEY HAVE TO!!


That's where I stopped reading - the guy is a cho-mo, pissed because he's been "robbed" of the opportunity to rub one out to pictures of murdered children.
 
2013-01-08 10:45:11 AM  

vpb: Michael Harris opined that the shooting was carried out by an Israeli paramilitary team.
....Despite compelling geopolitical and diplomatic conditions the claim cannot be verified because the identities of the two-to-four additional suspected gunmen apprehended by Newtown and Connecticut state police remain undisclosed

WTF?


heahea.org
 
2013-01-08 10:45:27 AM  

Grimlock2099: "For example, looking at the autopsies, much of what journalist institutions are going on are pronouncements from law enforcement authorities and the medical examiner."

I can field this one... BECAUSE NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTS TO LOOK AT A SHOT UP BODY OF A SIX YEAR OLD UNLESS THEY HAVE TO!!


See, that would be a rational reaction. Apparently, my ever-crazier brother subscribes to the "if'n I don't see the bodies of a bunch of dead six year olds, it never happened" outlook. He's also a regular listener to Alex Jones, Jerome Corsi, and recently added Holocaust Denial to the soup.

/don't have a lot to do with my brother these days
 
2013-01-08 10:45:57 AM  

Zapruder: Dog Welder: I'll believe anything you want me to as long as it means a steady paycheck. If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.

FTFY


If there is a steady paycheck in it, Ernie Hudson will suck your dick like it squirts Skittles.

FTFM

/Poor Ernie
 
2013-01-08 10:46:04 AM  

TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.


TWX, go home and RTFA! You sound like a moran!
 
2013-01-08 10:46:05 AM  
Hey, whatever happened happened. I just find it hard to understand why people don't ever question police and medical examiners... in any case. It's just scary.
 
2013-01-08 10:48:45 AM  

radarlove: Dan Ackroyd also believes in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.


If there's a steady paycheck in it.
 
2013-01-08 10:48:52 AM  

RidgeRunner5: I don't believe the shooting was politically motivated. It seems pretty clear that the dude's mom was going to have him committed, and he acted out because of it.

What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.


Yes, it is interesting how various press operations report new information during an ongoing investigation. It's almost like there are multiple sources or a ton of speculation before details are known.
 
2013-01-08 10:50:24 AM  
Sure. They'd been grooming the crazy kid for years, providing secret orders to the ATF to approve any and all firearms purchases by the mother. Plus they made sure the father was making plenty of money to support her gun collecting as well. Meanwhile Eric Holder used this connections to the Mexican Drug Cartels to bring up 3 shooters, 2 primary and 1 backup, to support the crazy kid, guide and direct him, make sure it was done right, etc. And then neat-as-you-please, these Mexi-shooters take out the crazy kid to keep him quiet and are on the next Greyhound to Oaxaca with nobody the wiser.
 
2013-01-08 10:50:25 AM  

RidgeRunner5: What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.


You're amazed that reporters, who are under the gun (heh) to provide news instantly, no matter how little information they actually have, might get some things wrong at first? So how many pet conspiracy theories do you have?

This is completely ridiculous. but then, I heard a few stories about how the Bush administration killed thousands of our citizens so that they could start a war, too.
 
2013-01-08 10:50:59 AM  
Presidents are figureheads, even if O had a "personal agenda" related to increased gun control, I seriously doubt it would go anywhere due to lobbying by gun producers.

I don't think journalists are really pressing for the right types of questions

Does this guy really think that the MSM would be allowed to report on Sandy Hook being concocted in a serious light? I could see them "debunking" it in the same way that 9/11 and all other plausibly false-flag ops have been debated across the tubes, but they haven't even bothered because enough people are busy enough arguing about guns on facebook.
 
2013-01-08 10:51:05 AM  

abfalter: That is a special kind of stupid right there. If we could bottle that kind of stupid it could be weaponized.


Sadly, not that speical.

Pretty much in line with the stupid that came out after the Aurora shootings, or Moore's film on the CO shootings, or the people who "know" Zimmerman is a racist, or what is currently happening to that town in Ohio, or 9/11 truthers, etc. etc.
 
2013-01-08 10:51:47 AM  
I hate Illinois Nazis.
 
2013-01-08 10:52:35 AM  

TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.


You know how I know you didn't:

1. Read TFA?
2. Watch Saturday Night Live in the late 70s to mid 80s (when it was good)?
3. See JMC's Playboy spread and video?
 
2013-01-08 10:52:53 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-08 10:53:04 AM  
Just about everything the media reported was wrong. It's best to save the theories until we see the bullshiat in the official police report.
 
2013-01-08 10:53:08 AM  
Let's see ... Fark exists to mock the news for being the malignant tool it has become.

Dan Ackroyd says reports on Sandy Hook incomplete, suggestive and may not be the whole story.

Farkers kick Ackroyd in the nuts, set him on fire for questioning the Official Narrative.

Fark has become the complete Ouroboros of Irony
 
2013-01-08 10:55:07 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Let's see ... Fark exists to mock the news for being the malignant tool it has become.

Dan Ackroyd says reports on Sandy Hook incomplete, suggestive and may not be the whole story.

Farkers kick Ackroyd in the nuts, set him on fire for questioning the Official Narrative.

Fark has become the complete Ouroboros of Irony


You forgot bullet point 5:

Some Farkers don't click the article and end up posting stuff that makes them look like morons
 
2013-01-08 10:55:50 AM  
What kind of meds is he on?
 
2013-01-08 10:56:34 AM  
tenure is a hell of a drug
 
2013-01-08 10:59:18 AM  
Can't tell if he is a complete nut job or one of the all time great trolls of the world.
 
2013-01-08 10:59:41 AM  

TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.


You didn't read the article huh?
 
2013-01-08 10:59:51 AM  

TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.


You know how I know you didn't bother to click the link?
 
2013-01-08 11:00:34 AM  
Well to be fair, the news did change the story like 50 times.
 
2013-01-08 11:02:06 AM  
The only conspiracy in play is how the media and the White House want to blame the weapons and not the shooter.

Though I will say this...

Pretty as long as Barrack Obama has been a politician, he's been a major gun control advocate. It would be fair to say that there isn't a piece of gun control legislation he hasn't loved, from his days in Chicago, to his time as a US senator to his time in the White House. Reporting on his positions on the issue of gun control is freely available and unambiguous.

Because of Obama's positions on gun control, people who oppose him politically have been been concerned that their ability to purchase certain types of firearms (or firearms at all in some cases) will be taken away and thus they have spent millions on the purchase of said weapons--semiautomatic rifles, pistols, large capacity magazines. Indeed, the revival of the gun industry that started in 2007 with the lifting of the assault weapons ban skyrocketed beginning in 2008 and beyond. Stores have quite literally run out of stocks and manufacturers had to expand production in order to keep up.

Enter Nancy Lanza. She was caught up in the gun buying hysteria like many others and purchased an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle along with other firearms. It would be fair to say that had there not been a rush to purchase such weapons, the looming threat that they would be banned, along with a severe economic crisis, she would have likely put off purchasing some or all of the weapons in her possession. After all, she had a mentally challenged adult son who was on medication for his illness, one she had ended up home schooling because he had anxiety issues and one whom she was contemplating having institutionalized--not an inexpensive proposition, particularly in an era of mental health funding treatment cuts both in the public sector and through insurance plans.

Barrack Obama didn't pull the trigger at Sandy Hook Elementary any more than he did in Colorado, nor did any secret government special ops team. It would however be fair to say that Barrack Obama and his administration, intentionally or through stupidity, created an environment of paranoia that helped to create Adam Lanza. If the NRA has blood on its hands, so does he--actually even more so. "I'm not going to take your guns away" was always followed up by "but someday soon I'll make sure you can't buy any more." If you can't see where that would generate a national buying spree of weapons, then God help you.

Supporters of Mr. Obama will now imply or flat out say I'm a moonbat. Have fun with that. I won't be listening.
 
2013-01-08 11:02:07 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.

You know how I know you didn't bother to click the link?


He's posting on Fark?
 
2013-01-08 11:03:46 AM  

Rurouni: Well to be fair, the news did change the story like 50 times.


That's the media pissing themselves to be the first to report something. So they just make shiat up and if it's wrong then oh well. We'll just change it later.
 
2013-01-08 11:04:38 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Some Farkers don't click the article and end up posting stuff that makes them look like morons


Seriously, Clemkadidlefark, even reading the thread would have made you realize that this headline wasn't entirely accurate.

I know, I know... welcome to Fark.
 
TWX
2013-01-08 11:05:17 AM  

LordJiro: DjangoStonereaver: TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.

You know how I know you didn't bother to click the link?

He's posting on Fark?


Hey, ain't nobody got time for that!
 
2013-01-08 11:09:27 AM  

Kuroshin: Blame the modern "MUST GET THE SCOOP NOW" media. They don't wait for facts, when they can be FIRST TO PRESS with random rumors and blatant lies. Truth and reality don't matter. Fear and outrage get eyeballs.


To be fair, there's not much "modern" about the GET THE SCOOP OUT NOW mentality. That's been going on for almost as long as there have been newspapers.
 
2013-01-08 11:09:49 AM  

jso2897: That's where I stopped reading - the guy is a cho-mo


I don't want to know what that means.
 
2013-01-08 11:10:12 AM  

www.thefoolsparadise.com
"We're ready to believe you."

 
2013-01-08 11:11:54 AM  
"Lible", or as my former wife calls it: "Liable".

She also says "Tubberware"
 
2013-01-08 11:11:59 AM  

hdhale: Barrack Obama didn't pull the trigger at Sandy Hook Elementary any more than he did in Colorado, nor did any secret government special ops team. It would however be fair to say that Barrack Obama and his administration, intentionally or through stupidity, created an environment of paranoia that helped to create Adam Lanza. If the NRA has blood on its hands, so does he--actually even more so. "I'm not going to take your guns away" was always followed up by "but someday soon I'll make sure you can't buy any more." If you can't see where that would generate a national buying spree of weapons, then God help you.

Supporters of Mr. Obama will now imply or flat out say I'm a moonbat. Have fun with that. I won't be listening.


You won't be listening or responding because you're probably paralyzed from all the twisting and contorting this post took.
 
2013-01-08 11:12:37 AM  

zerkalo: Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.

The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year


This thread has got everything!
 
2013-01-08 11:14:08 AM  

bacongood: abfalter: That is a special kind of stupid right there. If we could bottle that kind of stupid it could be weaponized.

Sadly, not that speical.

Pretty much in line with the stupid that came out after the Aurora shootings, or Moore's film on the CO shootings, or the people who "know" Zimmerman is a racist, or what is currently happening to that town in Ohio, or 9/11 truthers, etc. etc.


I don't think Zimmerman is a racist. He might be, might not. But I am pretty convinced that he was a wanna-be vigilante moron.
 
2013-01-08 11:14:20 AM  

Frankenstorm: All I know is if it were a mainly black student school and the victims were mainly black, the story would be over by now.

/I know that's not the point at all.I just wanted to say it. to act like a race-baiting douche.


FTFY.
 
2013-01-08 11:14:22 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Clemkadidlefark: Let's see ... Fark exists to mock the news for being the malignant tool it has become.

Dan Ackroyd says reports on Sandy Hook incomplete, suggestive and may not be the whole story.

Farkers kick Ackroyd in the nuts, set him on fire for questioning the Official Narrative.

Fark has become the complete Ouroboros of Irony

You forgot bullet point 5:

Some Farkers don't click the article and end up posting stuff that makes them look like morons


Oh the schadenfreude.
 
2013-01-08 11:15:05 AM  
As a Journalist, I have a thirst for the truth. At the recent grade school shooting, I decided I need to know what actually happened.

I went right to the coroner's office. I was in luck. The coroner was doing an autopsy on a deceased ten year old.

I burst right past the secretary. "Sit down! I am a journalist!" I barked. I walked in to the examine room and right up to the table. "Journalist" I said.

"Oh," said the coroner. "Then you know I've already completed the Y incision and I am following the path the bullets took through this young body."

"I didn't say anything about bullets! Where did you get the idea that bullets were used to kill these children?"

"Well, you see these holes? They're called bullet holes. This one entered the chest, the young rib cage deflected it and caused it to spin, reducing the youth's internal organs to mush."

"Word on the street says aliens did this" I said. "Aliens using earth technology to cover their tracks. One of the deceased was going to invent the hyperdrive and they silenced him. Or robots. Future robots. You know the story line."

"You must work for the Enquirer" she said.

"It's a spec piece. I'm going with aliens but then I'll make a copy and insert 'Future Robot" in to the copy where ever "Alien" was."

"Good luck with that. Now pass me the bucket. This one took a bullet to the brain."

I left the coroner's office certain that aliens and or future robots had caused this. She didn't deny it. I needed a second to confirm it. I went right to the Chief of Police. It was my lucky day. I found $5 on the walk over there. Lunch would include food. Real, store bought food.

The Chief was in a meeting with the Mayor. I walked right in. "Journalist!" I yelled. "Stop what you are doing and give me your undivided attention or I will write that you were 'uncooperative'."

"Well, we don't want that," saidd the Mayor. "I want to be known as cooperative."

"Me too" said the Chief of Police. "You may speak and we will listen and answer all your questions."

I spent the next few minutes bringing the Chief and Mayor up to speed on whatI knew. The strange disc-like object that was spotted before and after the killings. The probability that kids from that school go on to engineering careers and the fact that future robots and or aliens would not use ray guns or robot finger weapons if they wanted to be sneaky about it. Both the Mayor and the Chief agreed that I made excellent sense.

"In light of what I am hearing, we have no choice but to release the guy we thought we caught at the school with the loaded weapon. I'll have him ordered released immediately." said the Chief. "I'll order an APB for future robots and aliens."

"And I'll make sure he gets his rifle back and all the ammo that we found on him. Plus, I'll give him some police body armor as a sign of good will."

"Excellent! Journalism has once again made society stand up and take notice. You both shall be well described in both my articles about either future robots or aliens - should some one actually buy it."

I left knowing that I, a Journalist, had made the world a better place and that I had $5 in my pocket. I could go to Subway and get a $5 sandwich because as a Journalist, I pay no retail tax. Just yell "I'm a Journalist!" until they give you the sandwich.
 
2013-01-08 11:15:51 AM  

hdhale: [derp] ...Supporters of Mr. Obama will now imply or flat out say I'm a moonbat. Have fun with that. I won't be listening


That's OK, because most people probably stopped paying attention after you spelled the president's name wrong.
 
2013-01-08 11:18:11 AM  
I can see how super-secret conspiracies with fog-shrouded agendas are entirely more acceptable than the thought an armed person with mental issues murdered unsuspecting innocents....

One totally absolves you from taking action while allowing you to obsess over details - the other could involve you....
 
2013-01-08 11:19:49 AM  
Used a tragedy for political gain and to push an agenda? Sure of course, Bush did that with 9/11 but this was just one lone nutjob and a bunch of dead kids. Let's continue to trample on their memory please and thanks.
 
2013-01-08 11:20:14 AM  

hdhale: It's all Obama's fault


Congratulations, you managed to outcrazy the trolls today.
 
2013-01-08 11:20:21 AM  
deusnexus.files.wordpress.com


From the Batman movie.
 
2013-01-08 11:20:55 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: As a Journalist, I have a thirst for the truth. At the recent grade school shooting, I decided I need to know what actually happened.

I went right to the coroner's office. I was in luck. The coroner was doing an autopsy on a deceased ten year old.

I burst right past the secretary. "Sit down! I am a journalist!" I barked. I walked in to the examine room and right up to the table. "Journalist" I said.

"Oh," said the coroner. "Then you know I've already completed the Y incision and I am following the path the bullets took through this young body."

"I didn't say anything about bullets! Where did you get the idea that bullets were used to kill these children?"

"Well, you see these holes? They're called bullet holes. This one entered the chest, the young rib cage deflected it and caused it to spin, reducing the youth's internal organs to mush."

"Word on the street says aliens did this" I said. "Aliens using earth technology to cover their tracks. One of the deceased was going to invent the hyperdrive and they silenced him. Or robots. Future robots. You know the story line."

"You must work for the Enquirer" she said.

"It's a spec piece. I'm going with aliens but then I'll make a copy and insert 'Future Robot" in to the copy where ever "Alien" was."

"Good luck with that. Now pass me the bucket. This one took a bullet to the brain."

I left the coroner's office certain that aliens and or future robots had caused this. She didn't deny it. I needed a second to confirm it. I went right to the Chief of Police. It was my lucky day. I found $5 on the walk over there. Lunch would include food. Real, store bought food.

The Chief was in a meeting with the Mayor. I walked right in. "Journalist!" I yelled. "Stop what you are doing and give me your undivided attention or I will write that you were 'uncooperative'."

"Well, we don't want that," saidd the Mayor. "I want to be known as cooperative."

"Me too" said the Chief of Police. "You ma ...


Fear and loathing in Newtown?
 
KIA
2013-01-08 11:22:04 AM  
I am not a conspiracy kind of person primarily because the ability to create and maintain a conspiracy calls for a level of competence and confidentiality which is almost completely lacking in today's public servants.

Having said that, history shows there is a constant, low-level corruption and disregard for truth, the "little people" and general square dealing amongst officials. This leads me to ask: why haven't we gotten an official report on what happened yet? Why is the press still thumbing through data which was suspect three weeks ago and has not been clarified since?

The answer does not lie within a grand conspiracy, but in an attempt to optimize impact for political gain. There is a reason why Obama is demanding a gun control report by the end of January. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that, through no coincidence at all, the "official" report comes out at the same time.
 
2013-01-08 11:22:24 AM  

Rurouni: Well to be fair, the news did change the story like 50 times.


Well to be fair, when these stories hit Fark, how many people come in and immediately start saying, "So where is more accurate info?" "How come ___ doesn't have more info about this? They suck!" " How come they don't know how many were killed, it's been 15 minutes since the shooting?" "Why don't they have a picture of the shooter yet?" etc. etc. etc......

Yeah--it's not THE MEDIA. We're part of the problem.
 
2013-01-08 11:22:28 AM  
Registering guns is silly. They should register bullets. Put rfid tags in all of them.
 
2013-01-08 11:23:56 AM  
So, all the tinfoil hat stuff aside: when are they gonna release the official report? Something that mentions the evidence they have alluded to that points to a motive? Something that diagrams the scene and how it unfolded from a forensic pov. Have they mentioned a time table on that? I'm still confused which guns were used.
 
2013-01-08 11:25:00 AM  

KIA: I am not a conspiracy kind of person


Yes you are

The answer does not lie within a grand conspiracy, but in an attempt to optimize impact for political gain. There is a reason why Obama is demanding a gun control report by the end of January. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that, through no coincidence at all, the "official" report comes out at the same time.

This assault weapon ban has nothing to do with Sandy Hook. That was just the catalyst to push this ban through, which the people writing it have been wanting to do for years. Assault weapons account for less than 2% of crimes committed, this is nothing more than a political agenda riding on the back of a tragedy.
 
2013-01-08 11:25:33 AM  
I know nutters are a universal thing, but America, you're more than filling the world's quota for stupid and crazy at the same time with this guy

/not enough tinfoil in the world for this guy
 
2013-01-08 11:25:34 AM  

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.


i457.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-08 11:26:22 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Sure. They'd been grooming the crazy kid for years, providing secret orders to the ATF to approve any and all firearms purchases by the mother. Plus they made sure the father was making plenty of money to support her gun collecting as well. Meanwhile Eric Holder used this connections to the Mexican Drug Cartels to bring up 3 shooters, 2 primary and 1 backup, to support the crazy kid, guide and direct him, make sure it was done right, etc. And then neat-as-you-please, these Mexi-shooters take out the crazy kid to keep him quiet and are on the next Greyhound to Oaxaca with nobody the wiser.


You left out the contrails from plan and work how the moon landing was faked as well.

/you did give me a giggle
 
KIA
2013-01-08 11:29:34 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: KIA: I am not a conspiracy kind of person

Yes you are

The answer does not lie within a grand conspiracy, but in an attempt to optimize impact for political gain. There is a reason why Obama is demanding a gun control report by the end of January. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that, through no coincidence at all, the "official" report comes out at the same time.

This assault weapon ban has nothing to do with Sandy Hook. That was just the catalyst to push this ban through, which the people writing it have been wanting to do for years. Assault weapons account for less than 2% of crimes committed, this is nothing more than a political agenda riding on the back of a tragedy.


I know Eric Holder said when he took office that he wanted the assault weapons ban reinstated. I know Feinstein and others have been aching for the opportunity. That's not a conspiracy, or, if it is, there is nothing secretive or facially illegal about it. It manly be Unconstitutional. It may be ignorant, based upon folly, superstition, bad math and worse public policy agendas, but it isn't a conspiracy.
 
2013-01-08 11:31:45 AM  

cryinoutloud: RidgeRunner5: What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.

You're amazed that reporters, who are under the gun (heh) to provide news instantly, no matter how little information they actually have, might get some things wrong at first? So how many pet conspiracy theories do you have?

This is completely ridiculous. but then, I heard a few stories about how the Bush administration killed thousands of our citizens so that they could start a war, too.


The only conspiracy theories I subscribe to is the JFK assassination and I believe that the government shot down Flight 93 to prevent it from getting to DC.
 
2013-01-08 11:34:28 AM  

KIA: I know Eric Holder said when he took office that he wanted the assault weapons ban reinstated. I know Feinstein and others have been aching for the opportunity. That's not a conspiracy, or, if it is, there is nothing secretive or facially illegal about it. It manly be Unconstitutional. It may be ignorant, based upon folly, superstition, bad math and worse public policy agendas, but it isn't a conspiracy.


Oh I agree, I'm just saying this waiting for the official report is false. They do not care at all what this report has to say. It could help them or hurt them, they don't care. Plus, I'm not a fan of Obama I didn't vote for him but I think he's just saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I don't remember him ever saying the word "ban", it's these other assholes we have to worry about.
 
2013-01-08 11:35:19 AM  
Kuroshin: "Literally the first thing that came into their minds was it being a conspiracy"

This may surprise you, but the paranoid types who believe conspiracy theories tend to believe *everything* is a conspiracy.
I mean, you don't meet people who *only* have 'questions' about the moon landing. If they have 'questions' about the moon landing, they likely have 'questions' about 9/11 and 'questions' about the transit system on Mars and 'questions' about the Obama "gun control agenda".

And whenever you introduce new data that is at all related to a standing conspiracy? It gets incorporated into the conspiracy. Automatically. Because that's how those things work. Every piece of evidence is evidence *of* the conspiracy. If you allow that shiat like Sandy Hook just 'happens', then the idea that some people might support gun control for rational reasons kinda eats away at the notion that Obama *must* have a gun control agenda *because* they want to systematically disarm us so we can't resist when the Reptilians press us into the FEMA camps for reprogramming.

So, yeah, of course Sandy Hook was a setup. Because *everything is*.
 
2013-01-08 11:38:56 AM  

ringersol: Kuroshin: "Literally the first thing that came into their minds was it being a conspiracy"

This may surprise you, but the paranoid types who believe conspiracy theories tend to believe *everything* is a conspiracy.


Every time I hear about a conspiracy I see the guy from Penn & Teller's 9/11 Bullshiat episode standing at a microphone declaring 'Nobody will ever convince me that this was a not a conspiracy'.
 
2013-01-08 11:39:52 AM  

Rurouni: Well to be fair, the news did change the story like 50 times.


Exactly the point. When I first heard the story, the shooter used 2 pistols, later a rifle was found in the car. Then CNN reported the same thing. Now the story is all about assault rifles and hi-cap magazines zomg banz banz banz.

Really, you can waste unarmed people in a confined setting just as dead quick with a plain old handgun. Last few mass shootings in point. Yet banning everything is never going to stop people from going psycho. In the 30's some Japanese guy butchered his whole village with a shotgun, sword and axe.

Assault rifles are good against adversaries at range with like weaponry, which is why a government might want to take them away, to have a tactical advantage over civilians, not because they kill children any better. The most efficient way to kill children is to stack them into piles and use low cost handgun ammunition, one round per stack, like how the Nazis did it.

The story being manipulated for political propaganda is a plausible scenario.
 
2013-01-08 11:41:50 AM  
What an anti gun control Dan Aykroyd might look like:
i269.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-08 11:42:35 AM  

Aye Carumba: Really, you can waste unarmed people in a confined setting just as dead quick with a plain old handgun. Last few mass shootings in point. Yet banning everything is never going to stop people from going psycho. In the 30's some Japanese guy butchered his whole village with a shotgun, sword and axe


The same f*cking day in China a guy stabbed 22 school children all the same age as the Sandy Hook kids.

"Ohhh but none of them died!"

Yea I'm sure they won't be f*cked up mentally for the rest of their lives, that's much better
 
2013-01-08 11:42:56 AM  

KIA: I am not a conspiracy kind of person primarily because the ability to create and maintain a conspiracy calls for a level of competence and confidentiality which is almost completely lacking in today's public servants.

Having said that, history shows there is a constant, low-level corruption and disregard for truth, the "little people" and general square dealing amongst officials. This leads me to ask: why haven't we gotten an official report on what happened yet? Why is the press still thumbing through data which was suspect three weeks ago and has not been clarified since?

The answer does not lie within a grand conspiracy,


Ok....

but in an attempt to optimize impact for political gain. There is a reason why Obama is demanding a gun control report by the end of January. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that, through no coincidence at all, the "official" report comes out at the same time.

So it's a conspiracy orchestrated by the Obama administration. You're every bit as nutty as the blogger.
 
2013-01-08 11:43:21 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: KIA: I know Eric Holder said when he took office that he wanted the assault weapons ban reinstated. I know Feinstein and others have been aching for the opportunity. That's not a conspiracy, or, if it is, there is nothing secretive or facially illegal about it. It manly be Unconstitutional. It may be ignorant, based upon folly, superstition, bad math and worse public policy agendas, but it isn't a conspiracy.

Oh I agree, I'm just saying this waiting for the official report is false. They do not care at all what this report has to say. It could help them or hurt them, they don't care. Plus, I'm not a fan of Obama I didn't vote for him but I think he's just saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I don't remember him ever saying the word "ban", it's these other assholes we have to worry about.


You always seem like a pretty reasonable guy....good God, did you vote for Romney?!?!
 
2013-01-08 11:43:40 AM  
Oh dear god... How did I not see this?
 
2013-01-08 11:43:49 AM  

freetomato: You always seem like a pretty reasonable guy....good God, did you vote for Romney?!?!


No, I'm a Libertarian nut job
 
2013-01-08 11:44:01 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Aye Carumba: Really, you can waste unarmed people in a confined setting just as dead quick with a plain old handgun. Last few mass shootings in point. Yet banning everything is never going to stop people from going psycho. In the 30's some Japanese guy butchered his whole village with a shotgun, sword and axe

The same f*cking day in China a guy stabbed 22 school children all the same age as the Sandy Hook kids.

"Ohhh but none of them died!"

Yea I'm sure they won't be f*cked up mentally for the rest of their lives, that's much better


Let's ask the dead kids what they would prefer.
 
2013-01-08 11:44:06 AM  
Dear subby-
Please come forward and accept your free cock punch for using the term 'Sandy Hook denier'.
Thanks
 
2013-01-08 11:45:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask the dead kids what they would prefer.


I'd rather be dead than stabbed multiple times by a crazy person and alive.
 
2013-01-08 11:45:31 AM  
i.imgur.com

GIS for sandy hook conspiracy
 
2013-01-08 11:48:06 AM  
He couldn't help it! I just popped in there!
 
2013-01-08 11:48:22 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask the dead kids what they would prefer.

I'd rather be dead than stabbed multiple times by a crazy person and alive.


Cool.

Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.
 
2013-01-08 11:51:47 AM  

machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 581x480]

GIS for sandy hook conspiracy


That Columbine dot is way off.  And somebody apparently has a problem with St. Johns for some reason.
 
2013-01-08 11:52:19 AM  
Ha, you guys are just as freaking retarded when someone says something that doesn't jive with your sense of reality as you claim they are.

Quid pro quo Clarisse.....

I wasn't there, but I heard so many conflicting reports from the Nooz and saw enough conflicts in the video alone to know for a fact the entire incident is not what the police are reporting.

Yeah, the kids are dead. How they got that way remains to be properly manufactured.
I'll tell you straight up, having been in an Army combat unit for 10 years that those kids did NOT get shot by an AR. That's a fact.

There IS some manufacturing going on here like it or not.

I know you dumbasses will yell DEHURRR and all kinds if intelligent redneck funny sound crap. I believe what I see and what my experience tells me.
I also firmly believe the the government does not give a rats ass about it's citizens and will feed them into the mill at any opportunity to push its agenda.
 
KIA
2013-01-08 11:52:22 AM  

chuckufarlie: KIA: I am not a conspiracy kind of person primarily because the ability to create and maintain a conspiracy calls for a level of competence and confidentiality which is almost completely lacking in today's public servants.

Having said that, history shows there is a constant, low-level corruption and disregard for truth, the "little people" and general square dealing amongst officials. This leads me to ask: why haven't we gotten an official report on what happened yet? Why is the press still thumbing through data which was suspect three weeks ago and has not been clarified since?

The answer does not lie within a grand conspiracy, but in an attempt to optimize impact for political gain. There is a reason why Obama is demanding a gun control report by the end of January. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that, through no coincidence at all, the "official" report comes out at the same time.

gee, and I thought that the reason that he is demanding gun control was to prevent kids from getting killed.


The facts, evidenceand experience in other nations clearly demonstrate that making the horrible actions committed by mentally unstable individuals "EVEN MOREZ ILLEGAL!!!" will have absolutely no meaningful impact on future tragedies.

So, no. They cannot have any reasonable expectation that they can leave our children gathered in undefended masses yet somehow keep them protected by legislative action alone. No reasonable person could think that would stop another crazy person. Of the stated cause is irrational or inconsistent with the purported goal, there is an ulterior motive or actual goal which differs from the stated goal.
 
2013-01-08 11:53:31 AM  

computerguyUT: I'll tell you straight up, having been in an Army combat unit for 10 years that those kids did NOT get shot by an AR. That's a fact.


So you examined the bodies?
 
2013-01-08 11:57:00 AM  

wxboy: machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 581x480]

GIS for sandy hook conspiracy

That Columbine dot is way off.  And somebody apparently has a problem with St. Johns for some reason.


Also, the dot for "DC Sniper" appears to stretch from Richmond VA (130 miles south of DC) to Philadelphia (150 miles north) and from The Chesapeake Bay (30 miles east of DC) to the WV/OH border (don't know exactly how far, but it's more than a 4-hour drive).

They're being VERY loose with their definitions of where things happened, possibly to catapult their propaganda. And if you can't trust a paranoiac who sees pentagram patterns in random acts of violence, who can you trust?

// Prince - that's who you can trust
 
2013-01-08 11:58:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.


Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people. An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything. How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?
 
2013-01-08 11:58:47 AM  

Millennium: Kuroshin: Blame the modern "MUST GET THE SCOOP NOW" media. They don't wait for facts, when they can be FIRST TO PRESS with random rumors and blatant lies. Truth and reality don't matter. Fear and outrage get eyeballs.

To be fair, there's not much "modern" about the GET THE SCOOP OUT NOW mentality. That's been going on for almost as long as there have been newspapers.


True, but there also hasn't been instant reporting (e.g. the ability to immediately scoop the competition) until modern times.  Even back in ye olde dayes of radio and broadcast TV, there was a serious time delay between breaking news and actual broadcast.  While time was a factor, there was still enough slack for people to take something like journalistic integrity seriously.  These days, everybody can have a "man on the scene" instantly, even if it's just @gonzopenis6699 on Twitter.  With the news cycle being what it is now, there's just too much noise for anybody in the press to care about the strength of their reporting.
 
2013-01-08 12:01:21 PM  
Well, this administration DID run and continues to run "Gun Walker" and "Fast & Furious" to move guns from the US to Mexico to blame US guns on deaths.

I am sure Mexico criminals have no problem smuggling IN to that country from elsewhere, why bother buying from stores in the US when you can bribe the military in some other country.

The guns were moved to get caught at the end, to push an agenda. People died in that, sure, they were dirty Mexicans but still. What makes you think this same administration wouldn't sacrifice children in the US for an agenda when the Mexican angle didn't work?

We already know what they will do and what they are capable of doing. The only question small differences in the details.
 
2013-01-08 12:03:08 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people. An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything. How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?


Because that doesn't fit the narrative.

/I agree, but get shouted down constantly
 
2013-01-08 12:03:31 PM  
cousndick

www.compliancebuilding.com

Table the retired gay congressman?
 
2013-01-08 12:03:47 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.


Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.
 
2013-01-08 12:04:32 PM  

Kuroshin: Because that doesn't fit the narrative.

/I agree, but get shouted down constantly


I know, I should know better than to think we'd try the hard way instead of the easy way.
 
2013-01-08 12:05:31 PM  

Kuroshin: Because that doesn't fit the narrative.


The narrative that gun nuts only picked up after LaPierre's pathetic distraction press conference, and will refuse to support or fund due to socialisms and such.
 
2013-01-08 12:06:36 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: computerguyUT: I'll tell you straight up, having been in an Army combat unit for 10 years that those kids did NOT get shot by an AR. That's a fact.

So you examined the bodies?


Yeah, I'm kind of curious myself; how are you so certain that they weren't shot using an AR?

This tragedy has brought political opportunists out of the work, just as other tragedies have. But that's all they are: opportunists, not sinister masterminds. They prey on people running scared, and that's rather despicable in and of itself, but there are still degrees. These people did not arrange the murder of a bunch of kids just for political gain.
 
2013-01-08 12:07:07 PM  

computerguyUT: Ha, you guys are just as freaking retarded when someone says something that doesn't jive with your sense of reality as you claim they are.

Quid pro quo Clarisse.....

I wasn't there, but I heard so many conflicting reports from the Nooz and saw enough conflicts in the video alone to know for a fact the entire incident is not what the police are reporting.

Yeah, the kids are dead. How they got that way remains to be properly manufactured.
I'll tell you straight up, having been in an Army combat unit for 10 years that those kids did NOT get shot by an AR. That's a fact.

There IS some manufacturing going on here like it or not.

I know you dumbasses will yell DEHURRR and all kinds if intelligent redneck funny sound crap. I believe what I see and what my experience tells me.
I also firmly believe the the government does not give a rats ass about it's citizens and will feed them into the mill at any opportunity to push its agenda.


13 years in Combat units and I'll tell you, you outed yourself in the dumbassery department.
Shhhh,  quiet now!
 
2013-01-08 12:09:15 PM  
This? NO! STOP! Dammit! Fair and balanced (to borrow a phrase) does not mean giving airtime to every lunatic who picked up secret messages in his teeth fillings! If I were to put together a symposium on, let say the moon, I'd invite scientist and ignore the crazy person who thinks it's made of cheese. This just adds to the unnecessary mental background noise, and we're all dumber for being exposed to it.

www.presentero.se
 
2013-01-08 12:13:01 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.


How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.


Bolded bits are most relevant.

Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.

As for what taxes I'd support?  How about we ignore the flame-bait here of "DURRR TAXES!" and say that step one should be at the very least public health insurance.  Offer a no-cost national health plan, funded by Federal dollars, that covers mental health services, on top of the usual stuff.  On top of that, we need to - as a society, so it'll probably never happen - start taking the initiative to single-out people we know (and we *do* know) that are potentially dangerous.  These two things combined would do a hell of a lot toward ending this crap.
 
2013-01-08 12:13:49 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Because that doesn't fit the narrative.

The narrative that gun nuts only picked up after LaPierre's pathetic distraction press conference, and will refuse to support or fund due to socialisms and such.


Hmm?  "Gun nuts" are the ones suggesting weapon bans, rather than solving the problem?  That's a new one.
 
2013-01-08 12:16:00 PM  

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.



From a 2009 opinion column
:
"President Obama has long been on record for a permanent ban on assault weapons. But one respected Capitol Hill Democrat, a longtime champion of gun control, despairs: "These (recent) killings have, unfortunately, not moved the needle."

What would be required to get this Congress to act? "It would take at least a major massacre of kindergarteners.""


There you go. They knew what it would take to move their agenda forward and they took action.

/totally not serious here
//still a little creepy
 
2013-01-08 12:16:54 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?


Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions
 
2013-01-08 12:17:50 PM  
Clearly too many drugs rotted his brain.
 
2013-01-08 12:18:21 PM  

hdhale: The only conspiracy in play is how the media and the White House want to blame the weapons and not the shooter.

Though I will say this...

Pretty as long as Barrack Obama has been a politician, he's been a major gun control advocate. It would be fair to say that there isn't a piece of gun control legislation he hasn't loved, from his days in Chicago, to his time as a US senator to his time in the White House. Reporting on his positions on the issue of gun control is freely available and unambiguous.

Because of Obama's positions on gun control, people who oppose him politically have been been concerned that their ability to purchase certain types of firearms (or firearms at all in some cases) will be taken away and thus they have spent millions on the purchase of said weapons--semiautomatic rifles, pistols, large capacity magazines. Indeed, the revival of the gun industry that started in 2007 with the lifting of the assault weapons ban skyrocketed beginning in 2008 and beyond. Stores have quite literally run out of stocks and manufacturers had to expand production in order to keep up.

Enter Nancy Lanza. She was caught up in the gun buying hysteria like many others and purchased an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle along with other firearms. It would be fair to say that had there not been a rush to purchase such weapons, the looming threat that they would be banned, along with a severe economic crisis, she would have likely put off purchasing some or all of the weapons in her possession. After all, she had a mentally challenged adult son who was on medication for his illness, one she had ended up home schooling because he had anxiety issues and one whom she was contemplating having institutionalized--not an inexpensive proposition, particularly in an era of mental health funding treatment cuts both in the public sector and through insurance plans.

Barrack Obama didn't pull the trigger at Sandy Hook Elementary any more than he did in Colorado, nor did any secr ...


Derp.
 
2013-01-08 12:18:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this.


Stolen from a friend on facebook this morning:
Few phrases in current political discourse are more useless than "sensible gun control". What does that even mean? Everyone wants sensible gun control, from the guy who wants to ban pointy ended chop sticks to the person rigging up remote control rifles to deal with the neighbors smarmy cat. But no one agrees what that is, and when you say it you're basically saying "I'm in favor of my own opinion."
 
2013-01-08 12:19:33 PM  

vpb: Michael Harris opined that the shooting was carried out by an Israeli paramilitary team.
....Despite compelling geopolitical and diplomatic conditions the claim cannot be verified because the identities of the two-to-four additional suspected gunmen apprehended by Newtown and Connecticut state police remain undisclosed

WTF?


OK, that guy is nuts.
 
2013-01-08 12:21:06 PM  
This is the reason I went back to school. If this moron can get a degree and be a teacher at a college there is no reason on earth I cant.

really thats a special kind of dumb there
 
2013-01-08 12:22:24 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


I like that. I'd still want some judicial review (and not just a rubber stamp) of each case before any of a patients liberties are removed though.

Due process should be protected and not left solely in the hands of a doctor.
 
2013-01-08 12:22:29 PM  

hdhale: The only conspiracy in play is how the media and the White House want to blame the weapons and not the shooter.

Though I will say this...

Pretty as long as Barrack Obama has been a politician, he's been a major gun control advocate. It would be fair to say that there isn't a piece of gun control legislation he hasn't loved, from his days in Chicago, to his time as a US senator to his time in the White House. Reporting on his positions on the issue of gun control is freely available and unambiguous.

Because of Obama's positions on gun control, people who oppose him politically have been been concerned that their ability to purchase certain types of firearms (or firearms at all in some cases) will be taken away and thus they have spent millions on the purchase of said weapons--semiautomatic rifles, pistols, large capacity magazines. Indeed, the revival of the gun industry that started in 2007 with the lifting of the assault weapons ban skyrocketed beginning in 2008 and beyond. Stores have quite literally run out of stocks and manufacturers had to expand production in order to keep up.

Enter Nancy Lanza. She was caught up in the gun buying hysteria like many others and purchased an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle along with other firearms. It would be fair to say that had there not been a rush to purchase such weapons, the looming threat that they would be banned, along with a severe economic crisis, she would have likely put off purchasing some or all of the weapons in her possession. After all, she had a mentally challenged adult son who was on medication for his illness, one she had ended up home schooling because he had anxiety issues and one whom she was contemplating having institutionalized--not an inexpensive proposition, particularly in an era of mental health funding treatment cuts both in the public sector and through insurance plans.

Barrack Obama didn't pull the trigger at Sandy Hook Elementary any more than he did in Colorado, nor did any secret government special ops team. It would however be fair to say that Barrack Obama and his administration, intentionally or through stupidity, created an environment of paranoia that helped to create Adam Lanza. If the NRA has blood on its hands, so does he--actually even more so. "I'm not going to take your guns away" was always followed up by "but someday soon I'll make sure you can't buy any more." If you can't see where that would generate a national buying spree of weapons, then God help you.

Supporters of Mr. Obama will now imply or flat out say I'm a moonbat. Have fun with that. I won't be listening.


It cut off the most derpy part. So, I'll post it again.

Derp.
 
2013-01-08 12:24:55 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


You know what's funny? I was completely against Obamacare until this whole thing. If it could bring affordable and reliable mental health screening to everyone, then I'm for it.

Yes I also agree that mental health should never be a punishment. We need to remove the stigma of receiving help.
 
2013-01-08 12:25:03 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.


Stop deflecting.

Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?


Please, give us a way that will preserve the rights of all involved, and is one that we will willingly raise our own taxes to cover (because guess what? This, at the very least, is going to cost us money.)
 
2013-01-08 12:27:18 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


Thumbs up!
 
2013-01-08 12:27:49 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.


Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.
 
2013-01-08 12:28:03 PM  

IlGreven: Please, give us a way that will preserve the rights of all involved, and is one that we will willingly raise our own taxes to cover (because guess what? This, at the very least, is going to cost us money.)


I just said Obamacare. I'm willing to let it hit me in the pocket there.

What exactly is a ban going to do? What about all of the scary assault weapons that are already out there? Hell what about the ones bought in the last month or so? You want to go door to door for that? Good luck
 
2013-01-08 12:29:31 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Assault weapons account for less than 2% of crimes committed


What do you call 2% of all lawyers chained together at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start.
 
2013-01-08 12:31:00 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Dr Dreidel: // supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions

You know what's funny? I was completely against Obamacare until this whole thing. If it could bring affordable and reliable mental health screening to everyone, then I'm for it.

Yes I also agree that mental health should never be a punishment. We need to remove the stigma of receiving help.


That's the secondary problem that's still holding us back (primary problem being access to affordable care).  We're a society of isolation and competition.  As soon as you try to get help for what is likely a temporary (or treatable) issue, you're branded.  Instead of being supportive, Americans would rather discard those who need some help.
 
2013-01-08 12:31:21 PM  

Kuroshin: HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.

Bolded bits are most relevant.

Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.


How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?

As for what taxes I'd support?  How about we ignore the flame-bait here of "DURRR TAXES!" and say that step one should be at the very least public health insurance.  Offer a no-cost national health plan, funded by Federal dollars, that covers mental health services, on top of the usual stuff.  On top of that, we need to - as a society, so it'll probably never happen - start taking the initiative to single-out people we know (and we *do* know) that are potentially dangerous.  These two things combined would do a hell of a lot toward ending this crap.

So you'd like everything the average gun nut opposes and considers socialism.

Might as well go for the gun ban, it will be just as easy as pulling this off.
 
2013-01-08 12:33:00 PM  

Kuroshin: HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Because that doesn't fit the narrative.

The narrative that gun nuts only picked up after LaPierre's pathetic distraction press conference, and will refuse to support or fund due to socialisms and such.

Hmm?  "Gun nuts" are the ones suggesting weapon bans, rather than solving the problem?  That's a new one.


No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control.
 
2013-01-08 12:33:46 PM  

Kuroshin: That's the secondary problem that's still holding us back (primary problem being access to affordable care).  We're a society of isolation and competition.  As soon as you try to get help for what is likely a temporary (or treatable) issue, you're branded.  Instead of being supportive, Americans would rather discard those who need some help.


A few months back I was giving a class at my Army Reserve unit about suicide prevention. One young soldier asked if seeking help, even in the civilian sector, would affect her security clearance. I actually did not know so I looked it up, they clearly state that you can never be negatively affected by receiving mental care. It made me realize just how much of a stigma there is out there about getting help.
 
2013-01-08 12:34:21 PM  

Aye Carumba: HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.

Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.


Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.
 
2013-01-08 12:34:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control.


It's kind of hard to have that talk when we're completely ignored or the extreme solution is given out that solves nothing.
 
2013-01-08 12:35:09 PM  

chuckufarlie: gee, and I thought that the reason that he is demanding gun control was to prevent kids from getting killed.


If Obama genuinely cared about kids "getting killed," he'd start by seeking ways to prevent the No. 1 cause of death of children.

Since that's not what he's doing, he has proven that he does not, in fact, care about kids getting killed.
While he wastes time dithering around with pet projects and waging ideological and cultural warfare against his opposing party's constituency, children are dying. That makes Obama responsible for their deaths. He has failed to do what he could be doing to prevent them.
 
2013-01-08 12:35:11 PM  

vpb: Despite compelling geopolitical and diplomatic conditions the claim cannot be verified because the identities of the two-to-four additional suspected gunmen apprehended by Newtown and Connecticut state police remain undisclosed

WTF?


So, was anyone else arrested in connection with the shooting or not? I heard about additional arrests at the time, but it was from the same news sources that were claiming that his mother was teaching a class at the school and he shot her there--i.e., they were getting a lot of stuff wrong.
 
2013-01-08 12:37:51 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: You know what's funny? I was completely against Obamacare until this whole thing. If it could bring affordable and reliable mental health screening to everyone, then I'm for it.


I'm far more gun controll-y than you (you could tell from my Weeners, right?) and i don't think Obamacare will work for this. It's a half-assed band-aid solution to a problem that, I think is the root cause of most mass murders in America. Not mental health, but income inequality. Doesn't matter if you can get insurance for cheap or free if you still live off of food stamps because your employer doesn't pay you enough to support yourself, let alone your family...and then they decide you don't get even that insurance because it's "against their religion". So, basically, those in the most real need of mental health screenings can't afford them, and the shootings continue. Unless and until, at the very least, single-payer is a viable option in this country, it doesn't matter how good your mental healthcare is, because most people won't have access to it.
 
2013-01-08 12:38:04 PM  
JesseL: "They knew what it would take to move their agenda forward"

Yeah, no. That was just a not-at-all-subtle reference to the Dunblane massacre that motivated the UK to ban handguns.
 
2013-01-08 12:38:31 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control.

It's kind of hard to have that talk when we're completely ignored or the extreme solution is given out that solves nothing.


Does having 200+ house members with A+ scores from the NRA really qualify as being ignored?
 
2013-01-08 12:39:16 PM  
I'm going to apologize for bolding my own words up front.  I'm trying to keep the formatting legible.  I'm not yelling or stressing something, I'm just aiding readability.

HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.

How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?


How many murders were committed in spite of it?  You haven't stopped the murder, ergo you haven't done anything to address the problem.

As for what taxes I'd support? How about we ignore the flame-bait here of "DURRR TAXES!" and say that step one should be at the very least public health insurance. Offer a no-cost national health plan, funded by Federal dollars, that covers mental health services, on top of the usual stuff. On top of that, we need to - as a society, so it'll probably never happen - start taking the initiative to single-out people we know (and we *do* know) that are potentially dangerous. These two things combined would do a hell of a lot toward ending this crap.

So you'd like everything the average gun nut opposes and considers socialism.

Might as well go for the gun ban, it will be just as easy as pulling this off.



Who cares what the gun nuts think?  This isn't about them.  This isn't about guns.  This is about mass-murder, or rather, how to stop mass-murder from happening.  You can't ban it away.  You have to address the root cause.  You're arguing directly against doing such a thing (suggesting it's impossible, even though we've already taken the first steps), and instead are wishing to sit on your hands, wailing about those evil guns (or the gun nuts).  You are choosing to be part of the problem.
 
2013-01-08 12:42:35 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.

Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.


inigomontoya.jpg
 
2013-01-08 12:44:29 PM  
'It just popped in there'.
 
2013-01-08 12:44:30 PM  

Kuroshin: I'm going to apologize for bolding my own words up front.  I'm trying to keep the formatting legible.  I'm not yelling or stressing something, I'm just aiding readability.

HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.

How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?

How many murders were committed in spite of it?  You haven't stopped the murder, ergo you haven't done anything to address the problem.


This is a joke, right? If I was arguing from the position of achieving zero murders, I might engage you on this. The claim is that bans don't do anything. They clearly do.

Kuroshin: Who cares what the gun nuts think? This isn't about them. This isn't about guns.


They vote, and it most certainly is about guns for them. Also, they showed up armed to protest a bill that came nowhere close to universal health care, dubbing it tyrannical.

This is about mass-murder, or rather, how to stop mass-murder from happening. You can't ban it away.

We can ban some of the implements that allow it to be carried out with ease.

You have to address the root cause. You're arguing directly against doing such a thing (suggesting it's impossible, even though we've already taken the first steps), and instead are wishing to sit on your hands, wailing about those evil guns (or the gun nuts). You are choosing to be part of the problem.

I've been arguing for universal health care for my entire adult life. I'm just not pretending it's a magic bullet. This needs to be addressed on multiple fronts.
 
2013-01-08 12:44:52 PM  
I would say that if you wanted to pass tuff gun control laws a shooting like this would be a great way to get the people to back you up. It would come as no surprise to me if this had been a setup, but I really doubt it as we have people who saw the shooter. Have there been any more details released about how this school was targeted by the shooter? Don't think our government is beyond doing something like this, because they are not and if think they are then you need to check out some history of the things this government has done. If you support the banning of firearms then you are one of the stupidest people in the world, because having an armed populace keeps the government in check and other nations reluctant to invade.
 
2013-01-08 12:45:44 PM  

Kuroshin: HotWingConspiracy: Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.

Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.

inigomontoya.jpg


Go ahead and run the numbers of bath salt attacks vs. gun attacks. Get back to me and let me know which is more irrational.
 
2013-01-08 12:46:39 PM  

IlGreven: I'm far more gun controll-y than you (you could tell from my Weeners, right?) and i don't think Obamacare will work for this. It's a half-assed band-aid solution to a problem that, I think is the root cause of most mass murders in America. Not mental health, but income inequality. Doesn't matter if you can get insurance for cheap or free if you still live off of food stamps because your employer doesn't pay you enough to support yourself, let alone your family...and then they decide you don't get even that insurance because it's "against their religion". So, basically, those in the most real need of mental health screenings can't afford them, and the shootings continue. Unless and until, at the very least, single-payer is a viable option in this country, it doesn't matter how good your mental healthcare is, because most people won't have access to it.


I completely agree but I'm trying to tackle one situation at a time. This assault weapon ban is brought up because of specifically this incident that was carried out by a crazy person. More people die in the inner cities every year than mass shootings. It just grabs more attention when it happens outside of the city. A ton of our countries problems could be solved by fixing the problems of the inner city. The biggest issue is that it's already illegal for someone with mental health problems to own a firearm, so we need to figure out how to enforce this better.

HotWingConspiracy: Does having 200+ house members with A+ scores from the NRA really qualify as being ignored?


I thought you were asking about opening a dialog with us "gun nuts". I'm willing to talk about gun control but you probably don't want to hear what I have to say because you already made your mind up about what I'm going to say.
 
2013-01-08 12:46:49 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: "No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control."

It's not their *only* out.
They also attempted to blame movies, videogames, the victims (human wave attacks!), existing regulations (gun free zones!), low gun ownership (moar guns!), etc.

It's just the only out that happens to be an actual social problem that can and ought to be addressed.

/ And it's catchy with the Fark Independent/"too cool for school" types who believe "both sides do it" and enjoy promoting such orthogonal concerns.
// Not that it's *not* a problem worth pursuing
/// Just that, like you say, they're all posturing when they really couldn't give two shiats
//// Put forth an actual mental health proposal and they'll argue we can't do it because we can't afford it
 
2013-01-08 12:46:57 PM  

Elegy: Frankenstorm: All I know is if it were a mainly black student school and the victims were mainly black, the story would be over by now.

/I know that's not the point at all.I just wanted to say it. to act like a race-baiting douche.

FTFY.


Nope. That wasn't it. I don't play that game. I'm just curious how the press would have handled it.
 
2013-01-08 12:47:40 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "While talking to WPBF, Tracy posed questions about security video, two other suspects in the shooting and the Obama administration's agenda with gun control."

Ah.


He didn't have an agenda, until a nut with a semiautomatic second-amendment-ed twenty 6-year-olds. For freedom, I guess.
 
KIA
2013-01-08 01:07:01 PM  

ghare: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "While talking to WPBF, Tracy posed questions about security video, two other suspects in the shooting and the Obama administration's agenda with gun control."

Ah.

He didn't have an agenda, until a nut with a semiautomatic second-amendment-ed twenty 6-year-olds. For freedom, I guess.


Let's be clear here. Murder = murder no matter what means were used. The second amendment does not call for or espouse murder. In fact, 99.999% of all gun owners are never involved in any crime, let alone murder. Keeping their gun is their personal protection against being murdered.
 
2013-01-08 01:12:59 PM  
Maybe it's finally time for me to get on the meds, but this story, this thread, and the links on this page make me very, very sad for my country and humanity's future.
 
2013-01-08 01:19:46 PM  
Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please--YES!

Professor of MEDIA STUDIES!
Social Sciences FOR THE WIN, once again!

Tell me, again, why we are willing to spend tax money on paying people to get degrees in fields like his...
 
2013-01-08 01:31:42 PM  

ringersol: HotWingConspiracy: "No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control."

It's not their *only* out.
They also attempted to blame movies, videogames, the victims (human wave attacks!), existing regulations (gun free zones!), low gun ownership (moar guns!), etc.

It's just the only out that happens to be an actual social problem that can and ought to be addressed.


The big problem for me is, most don't want to address it in a meaningful way. Basically, it's this:

GUNAD: OBAMMER'S GUNNA TAKE ARE GUNZ!
GUNCN: Well, what do you suggest?
GUNAD: MENTAL HEALTH! MENTAL HEALTH!
GUNCN: Well, how are you gonna pay for it? Most people couldn't pay for such things out of pocket, and we already know most of you are against your taxes going up, and you're already against "OBAMMERCARE" as "SOSHULISM", so, how are you going to pay for comprehensive mental healthcare when we can't even afford basic healthcare?
GUNAD: ...
GUNAD: OBAMMER'S GUNNA TAKE ARE GUNZ!
 
2013-01-08 01:32:07 PM  
HotWingConspiracy


How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?

Actually, they haven't been banned from ownership. There is a $200 tax stamp required to purchase a Fully Automatic Weapon, and since the manufacture of them for civilian purchase was stopped about 30 years ago. However, pre-ban weapons still exist and are quite lucrative investments. Fun to shoot too.

And the answer to your question is ZERO. No legal fully automatic weapons have been used on a person since the Tax Stamp and Background check went into effect.
 
2013-01-08 01:32:32 PM  

machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 581x480]

GIS for sandy hook conspiracy


Wheh - glad I don't live on one of those lines of doom. Nothing bad has ever happened outside of them!
 
2013-01-08 01:39:05 PM  
You read the script and made the conclusion it was a good idea to star in Caddy Shack Two.

That is all I need to know about your ability to form a valid opinion.
 
2013-01-08 01:48:55 PM  

Ghastly: You read the script and made the conclusion it was a good idea to star in Caddy Shack Two.

That is all I need to know about your ability to form a valid opinion.


Hmm, you couldn't be bothered to click the link or notice the dozen-plus comments making that same mistake you just made and being called on it.

Which is fine except for that remark about your expertise on valid opinions...
 
2013-01-08 01:56:48 PM  
This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

www.thedailysheeple.com

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?
 
2013-01-08 02:02:57 PM  

Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?


Obviously they used 0bama's Magical Time Machine.
 
2013-01-08 02:05:10 PM  

OptimusHime: Ghastly: You read the script and made the conclusion it was a good idea to star in Caddy Shack Two.

That is all I need to know about your ability to form a valid opinion.

Hmm, you couldn't be bothered to click the link or notice the dozen-plus comments making that same mistake you just made and being called on it.

Which is fine except for that remark about your expertise on valid opinions...


Hey I don't shiat on your jokes.
 
2013-01-08 02:07:21 PM  

Diogenes: James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events.

He's also a terrible writer. His blog and his "article" (i.e., other blog post) on GlobalResearch are atrocious. It's shameful that this guy is teaching anything media related, but it's even worse if he's evaluating and advising students on writing.
 
2013-01-08 02:11:39 PM  
or maybe that's just what the chemtrails want you to believe...
 
2013-01-08 02:18:48 PM  

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.


What else explains why these things have suddenly started happening much more under his presidency than any other?
 
2013-01-08 02:21:27 PM  

TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.


Uh oh, some tool posted without reading the article or thread.
 
2013-01-08 02:27:56 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Aye Carumba: HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.

Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.

Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.


Indeed you are, strawmanning the bath salt guy doesn't really address the issue, but he's sort of on topic. Are there dangerous people? Yes. Are there armed people? Yes. Are they the same? Not by at least 4 to 5 standard deviations they aren't, statistically insignificant.

For the strictest definition of "rational" where we compare two numbers and see what happens, I don't think banning guns would increase the public safety simply because the ratio of dangerous individuals to unarmed population would go up, and we can never have a police officer per every household, and I don't think we will ever significantly lower the proportion of dangerous individuals in any given population.

Therefore, rationally, we should feel obliged to arm ourselves to improve public safety.
 
2013-01-08 02:31:07 PM  

RidgeRunner5: I don't believe the shooting was politically motivated. It seems pretty clear that the dude's mom was going to have him committed, and he acted out because of it.

What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.


And went from 1 shooter, to 2 shooters, to 4 shooters, to 1 shooter and 3 people arrested, and 1 shooter and 2 people arrested, etc.

Other people were arrested in conjunction with the "investigation" and they were never reported about as to who they are and why they were arrested. That is what this guy is freaking out about.
 
2013-01-08 02:36:39 PM  
Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops.

s8.postimage.org

Frank: Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's *my* policy.
Mayor: That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of "Julius Caesar", you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones.
 
2013-01-08 02:37:41 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.


Know how I can tell you're not a lawyer?
 
2013-01-08 02:46:05 PM  
You never go full protonic reversal.
 
2013-01-08 02:52:36 PM  

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.


What? Fark you! Your tripe deserves no more than that!
 
2013-01-08 02:55:23 PM  

soporific: zerkalo: Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.

The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year

This thread has got everything!


Does it have a Winnebago?

/maroon interior
 
2013-01-08 02:57:26 PM  

FraggleStickCar: People said the same thing about the Aurora shootings. As with most conspiracies, some weirdoes are comforted in thinking that there is a grand design behind the absurd chaotic horror of the human condition.


You should be on Fark more often, what with your sanity and all. Although I must warn you, the two are counterproductive.
 
2013-01-08 03:03:11 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.


Satire is not libelous or slanderous.
 
2013-01-08 03:03:34 PM  
So yesterday, my Obama hating employee, who has been warned several times about starting political conversations in the Welcome Center, started in about how Obama is going to take away everyone's guns. I asked one question - How? Then I said laws originate in Congress and it would have to be Congress outlawing the guns, not Obama.

He left work pissed off.

Oh well.
 
2013-01-08 03:04:26 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


No, that's never going to get abused at all.
 
2013-01-08 03:05:01 PM  
He argues that the media is not asking the questions that need to be asked in the shooting.
ALSO: Missing cat makes incredible 190-mile journey home


That's just bad journalism - you lead with the cat story.
 
2013-01-08 03:09:23 PM  

chuckufarlie: You use a government report to show me that the government does not care? Do you see the stupidity in that? Probably not.


You have to be a special kind of bureaucratic-minded government boot-licker to reflexively assume that the preparation and issuance of a REPORT is the same as TAKING ACTION to solve a complex social problem.

Many more children have died since Newtown as a result of TRAFFIC, all of which occurred on government property, than died at Newtown.

But sure, you think a CDC report issued in 2007 makes that all OK.

chuckufarlie: cultural warfare?? How hard were you hit on the head?


You should remove your mouth from Obama's anus and judge him by what he does instead of what he says.

What he is DOING is using all of his political resources to putatively address a social problem that is the No. 4 cause of death of children (and No. 8 overall), while IGNORING a cause of death for this age group that occurs more than five times as often, and also happens to occur almost exclusively on government property.

By focusing on guns at the expense of the bloodbath on the roadways, Obama is also, conveniently, targeting a political group that, by and large, voted against him. The Democrats have consciously and deliberately appealed to two groups -- (a) nonwhite low-income, low-education and urban, and (b) white urban high-income (especially those derived through employment rather than entrepreneurship), high-education, and the college students who aspire to later join that group. That's why he is (a) the darling of the media and (b) the winner of votes in dense metropolitan areas.

He knows quite well that his main political opponents are white, middle-income (especially the self-employed and owners of small businesses), suburban and rural -- what the aforementioned urban coastal groups call "flyover country."

Guess which group has the higher rate of gun ownership.

Of course, the only group with a higher rate of gun ownership is poor, uneducated, black urban males between the ages of 16 and 19. By the way, the vast majority of gun violence is perpetrated by poor, uneducated, black urban males between the ages of 16 and 19.

That group, however, can be counted on not to launch a massive anti-Obama pro-Second Amendment Gun Rights campaign. They're not that well-organized, politically speaking.
 
2013-01-08 03:11:00 PM  

Boxcutta: TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.

I know what you mean. Sometimes I'm all like, "I'm not reading that article. I don't have time. The world needs to know my opinion about what what I think it's about right now!"


...in the butt?
 
2013-01-08 03:11:27 PM  

computerguyUT: I'll tell you straight up, having been in an Army combat unit for 10 years that those kids did NOT get shot by an AR. That's a fact.


Just curious... how many children have you killed to be such an expert?
 
2013-01-08 03:16:35 PM  
 
2013-01-08 03:21:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.


That answer didnt apply to anything, but whatever.
 
2013-01-08 03:23:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: Aye Carumba: Really, you can waste unarmed people in a confined setting just as dead quick with a plain old handgun. Last few mass shootings in point. Yet banning everything is never going to stop people from going psycho. In the 30's some Japanese guy butchered his whole village with a shotgun, sword and axe

The same f*cking day in China a guy stabbed 22 school children all the same age as the Sandy Hook kids.

"Ohhh but none of them died!"

Yea I'm sure they won't be f*cked up mentally for the rest of their lives, that's much better

Let's ask the dead kids what they would prefer.


"Leave us alone, you farking punk biatch."
 
2013-01-08 03:30:50 PM  

SithLord: Dr Dreidel: // supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions

No, that's never going to get abused at all.


So set up a backstop by which someone adjudicated as "not safe to own firearms for the next 3 months" can appeal that designation. It'd probably involve some other mental health professional (or team of them, possibly state-funded) adjudicating them as "safe", but how else do you keep dangerous things out of the wrong hands?

// alternatively, describe for me a system which cannot be abused
// which includes the status-quo (which has been shown to have been abused)
 
2013-01-08 03:44:02 PM  

chuckufarlie: Phinn: chuckufarlie: gee, and I thought that the reason that he is demanding gun control was to prevent kids from getting killed.

If Obama genuinely cared about kids "getting killed," he'd start by seeking ways to prevent the No. 1 cause of death of children.

Since that's not what he's doing, he has proven that he does not, in fact, care about kids getting killed.
While he wastes time dithering around with pet projects and waging ideological and cultural warfare against his opposing party's constituency, children are dying. That makes Obama responsible for their deaths. He has failed to do what he could be doing to prevent them.

You use a government report to show me that the government does not care? Do you see the stupidity in that? Probably not.

cultural warfare?? How hard were you hit on the head?


THE TOP THREE CAUSES OF DEATH BY AGE GROUP
0-1 years:
Developmental and genetic conditions that were present at birthSudden infant death syndrome (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001566.htm">SIDS)Al l conditions associated with http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001562.htm">prematuri ty and http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001500.htm">low birth weight1-4 years:
AccidentsDevelopmental and genetic conditions that were present at birthCancer5-14 years:
AccidentsCancerDevelopmental and genetic conditions that were present at birth15-24 years:
AccidentsHomicidehttp://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/0015 54.htm">Suicide
 
2013-01-08 03:45:33 PM  
Ewww. Bad formatting errors.
 
2013-01-08 03:49:30 PM  
I could see Irwin Mainway saying this stuff.
 
2013-01-08 04:04:10 PM  

Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.

 
2013-01-08 04:13:19 PM  

Frankenstorm: Elegy: Frankenstorm: All I know is if it were a mainly black student school and the victims were mainly black, the story would be over by now.

/I know that's not the point at all.I just wanted to say it. to act like a race-baiting douche.

FTFY.

Nope. That wasn't it. I don't play that game. I'm just curious how the press would have handled it.


"No no, I was just idly stating - in a public forum - that no one would care about this if those kids had been black, but I wasn't race-baiting, I swear."

While it might not have been your intention, race-baiting was the result.

What would you do with the reverse? Try this race-baiting response on for size:

"Of course a black kid shooting up a black school wouldn't have been reported the same way, or focused on for as long. News is by definition the exceptional and the unusual. Black kids killing each other is neither news nor exceptional - it is the norm for what is provably the most violent, thuggish, and antisocial segment of our population."
 
2013-01-08 04:18:40 PM  

Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?


Change the current date on your PC to some point in the past or future and send them an e-mail.
 
2013-01-08 04:37:48 PM  

varmitydog: cousndick

[www.compliancebuilding.com image 850x312]

Table the retired gay congressman?


It's in reference to that lady he had asked what planet she spent most her time on. He followed up by stating (something along the lines of) trying to have a conversation with her would be like arguing with a table.

This professor smells of similar stupidity, and that having any conversation with him would produce similar results to what Barney Frank pointed out.
 
2013-01-08 04:38:46 PM  

chuckufarlie: Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?

people like to play with the internet.


Or you could point them at the Vicki Soto memorial FB page that was also set up on Dec 10th.
You might be better off trying to "one up" them ;-)
 
2013-01-08 04:40:50 PM  
Sorry I missed your reply FooDog!
But thanks anyways!
 
2013-01-08 05:22:26 PM  
I used to love to read about conspiracies. Not believe in them necessarily, but read about them. The Sandy Hook and Aurora nuts really put a damper on that.
 
2013-01-08 06:54:43 PM  
FooDog & cousndick: Thanks for explaining the joke to me.
 
2013-01-08 07:46:57 PM  

SnoodAddict: chuckufarlie: Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?

people like to play with the internet.

Or you could point them at the Vicki Soto memorial FB page that was also set up on Dec 10th.
You might be better off trying to "one up" them ;-)


Thats actually the route I took. I figured out how to do the search myself, with the same three top results, and then proceeded to show a result on page two for a youtube video talking about this very same United Way search result. But simple minds are surprisingly difficult to blow.

Response was actually that people have a right to believe things or not believe things. I hate people.
 
2013-01-08 09:31:00 PM  
He teaches on conspiracy theories. Might it be that he creates intentional distortions to focus on how conspiracy theories come to be and why they persist.

What people out there actually believe
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/one-more-long-shot-coinc i dence-sandy-hook-dark-knight-rises/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW8tVWtrQeM (check links on side)


Or maybe he is a nutjob. I don't know
 
2013-01-08 10:23:09 PM  
Between the hurricane and the shootings I'm thinking we aren't gonna see a lot of baby girls named Sandy in the next few months. At least not in the NY/NJ/CT neck of the woods.
 
2013-01-08 11:07:33 PM  
Dan Akroyd? What the fark are you talking about? Are you mooks even capable of making a proper sub EVER?
 
2013-01-09 09:41:11 AM  

chuckufarlie: he is not ignoring it, he has entire govt. agencies working on those other problems. That seems to be a fact that is hard for you to grasp. You post govt. reports to prove that the govt. is doing nothing and yet the report is all the proof a sane man needs to realize that the govt. is doing something.


There's an entire government agency devoted to guns, too. A couple of them. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, along with the Department of Justice and its criminal prosecution of federal gun crimes. There's a complex system of restriction on the manufacture and sale of guns, background checks and prohibitions of classes of weapons and classes of legal owners. There's also the entire government-run school system, which is tasked with the role of observing and identifying mentally-ill children and directing them to still other government agencies who can deal with them, such as the entire family and criminal court system that has the power to commit dangerous people to various forms of treatment and confinement. They all write reports, too.

Clearly, the very existence of these governmental operations constitutes "doing something" about crazed gun violence, by your standards. These agencies are "doing something" at least as much as the FDOT and CDC are "doing something" about traffic deaths.

But when it comes to gun deaths, you want more to be done. More specifically, you want Obama to be the one to do it.

But when it comes to traffic deaths, you are complacent, and satisfied, even though there are more then 5 times the number of children's traffic deaths than gun deaths.

By approving of this time-wasting, the blood of these needless traffic victims is on your hands.

But, you won't understand any of this because you have Obama's cock so far down your throat that you can't even see straight any more. Whatever he does is all rainbows and unicorns, in your eyes.

You : Obama :: a 12 year-old girl : Justin Beiber

Imagine if, in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre, Obama had rushed to the Rose Garden to make a speech. Picture it clearly -- the sun on his face, the hush that falls over the crowd as Obama steps up to the podium. Imagine his annoying condescension, which his sycophants seem to love, as he begins to lecture us.

Then, imagine as he begins to speak about a problem he describes as "intolerable" ... the epidemic of children drowning in buckets.

There are about 20 per year, he says.

Imagine, then, as he talks about how he's going to use the full power of his office to redress this intolerable problem, how America's death-by-bucket is a stain on the character of us all, how America has failed in the eyes of the community of nations, etc. You know, the usual.

How would people react? Normal, rational people, while deeply saddened by the needless deaths of children drowning in buckets, might begin to wonder WTF he's doing wasting his time on 20 annual deaths-by-bucket, when there are other more serious problems he could be focusing on.
 
2013-01-09 09:54:00 AM  

spacelord321: Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.

What? Fark you! Your tripe deserves no more than that!


Look it up, people on the internet really do believe it.  Including the person in this article.
 
2013-01-09 10:06:24 AM  

Phinn: How would people react? Normal, rational people, while deeply saddened by the needless deaths of children drowning in buckets, might begin to wonder WTF he's doing wasting his time on 20 annual deaths-by-bucket, when there are other more serious problems he could be focusing on.


I'm sure nobody at Fox News or the right-wing blogosphere would have had a problem if the President hadn't mentioned Sandy Hook Elementary School at all.
 
2013-01-09 10:21:21 AM  

freetomato: Phinn: How would people react? Normal, rational people, while deeply saddened by the needless deaths of children drowning in buckets, might begin to wonder WTF he's doing wasting his time on 20 annual deaths-by-bucket, when there are other more serious problems he could be focusing on.

I'm sure nobody at Fox News or the right-wing blogosphere would have had a problem if the President hadn't mentioned Sandy Hook Elementary School at all.


I'm sure you're all bunged up about the existence of people who disagree with you, but I wasn't actually talking about what your ideological opponents were doing, or not doing. Those people don't claim to be my "representative" and "elected official," or claim that whatever form of force they choose to apply to me is legal and just. I'm more concerned about what the government purports to be doing.

In any event, those private citizens at Fox News and the right-wing blogosphere who talk to other private citizens about whatever they want to talk about are just doing it to annoy you. It's all about you, all the time.

Solipsism is another trait of 12 year old girls. Maybe you and chuckufarlie can get together and have a sleep-over and paint each other's toenails.
 
2013-01-09 11:32:28 AM  

Kuroshin: Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.

I have a couple co-workers who started up that line the very second I told them about the shooting here at CTC (as it was happening).  I walk up and tell them, "somebody is shooting up the Town Center...right now."  First thing out of their mouths was, "NO WAY."  Second thing was, "IT'S A SET-UP!!!"

Then when Sandy Hook happened they really went nuts.

Mind you, this was with ABSOLUTELY NO PROMPTING.  They didn't get this crap from Wing Nut Daily or Drudge.  Literally the first thing that came into their minds was it being a conspiracy to push through another "assault weapon" ban.  It was an amazing thing to watch.


Do they like Alex Jones? I want to kick that guy in the balls because every single national tragedy is some super secret get-up by the government/NWO boogymen. Fark him.

My conspiracy theory nutter facebook friends of mine now claim they have "proof" that Sandy Cook was a set-up because google archived a United Way page dated Dec 11th, 3 days before the shooting. I have googled that page but it doesn't really mean anything, those google dates can be off by a long time.

I think they're like the Ancient Aliens people, they need some bigger outside force in their lives but aren't interested in religion, so they pick "Aliens" and "The Government" to be that force.
 
2013-01-09 11:47:33 AM  

MagSeven: I used to love to read about conspiracies. Not believe in them necessarily, but read about them. The Sandy Hook and Aurora nuts really put a damper on that.


The one that really pissed me off lately was the one with a picture of one of the Sandy Hook victim's mom and sideshow bob's public defender claim they're the same person.

They are 2 brown-haired middle-aged women with a thin frame and long face, you'd really have to be drunk or high to think they're the same person. (Facepalm)
 
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