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(WPBF West Palm Beach)   Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier. "There really isn't enough information actually that we can go on. The information that we do have, the information that is being withheld, leads one to be somewhat skeptical"   (wpbf.com) divider line 243
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2013-01-08 02:11:39 PM
or maybe that's just what the chemtrails want you to believe...
 
2013-01-08 02:18:48 PM

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.


What else explains why these things have suddenly started happening much more under his presidency than any other?
 
2013-01-08 02:21:27 PM

TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.


Uh oh, some tool posted without reading the article or thread.
 
2013-01-08 02:27:56 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Aye Carumba: HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.

Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.

Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.


Indeed you are, strawmanning the bath salt guy doesn't really address the issue, but he's sort of on topic. Are there dangerous people? Yes. Are there armed people? Yes. Are they the same? Not by at least 4 to 5 standard deviations they aren't, statistically insignificant.

For the strictest definition of "rational" where we compare two numbers and see what happens, I don't think banning guns would increase the public safety simply because the ratio of dangerous individuals to unarmed population would go up, and we can never have a police officer per every household, and I don't think we will ever significantly lower the proportion of dangerous individuals in any given population.

Therefore, rationally, we should feel obliged to arm ourselves to improve public safety.
 
2013-01-08 02:31:07 PM

RidgeRunner5: I don't believe the shooting was politically motivated. It seems pretty clear that the dude's mom was going to have him committed, and he acted out because of it.

What I do find interesting, is how the narrative changed as the days went on. It went from 2 pistols, to 2 pistols and a rifle left in the car, to 4 pistols, to 2 pistols, a rifle and a shotgun in the car to just a rifle and a shotgun in the car.


And went from 1 shooter, to 2 shooters, to 4 shooters, to 1 shooter and 3 people arrested, and 1 shooter and 2 people arrested, etc.

Other people were arrested in conjunction with the "investigation" and they were never reported about as to who they are and why they were arrested. That is what this guy is freaking out about.
 
2013-01-08 02:36:39 PM
Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops.

s8.postimage.org

Frank: Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's *my* policy.
Mayor: That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of "Julius Caesar", you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones.
 
2013-01-08 02:37:41 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.


Know how I can tell you're not a lawyer?
 
2013-01-08 02:46:05 PM
You never go full protonic reversal.
 
2013-01-08 02:52:36 PM

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.


What? Fark you! Your tripe deserves no more than that!
 
2013-01-08 02:55:23 PM

soporific: zerkalo: Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.

The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year

This thread has got everything!


Does it have a Winnebago?

/maroon interior
 
2013-01-08 02:57:26 PM

FraggleStickCar: People said the same thing about the Aurora shootings. As with most conspiracies, some weirdoes are comforted in thinking that there is a grand design behind the absurd chaotic horror of the human condition.


You should be on Fark more often, what with your sanity and all. Although I must warn you, the two are counterproductive.
 
2013-01-08 03:03:11 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Um, that headline would be considered lible. There's no connection to Ghostbusters or Dan Aykroid in linked article. Doesn't even look like him.


Satire is not libelous or slanderous.
 
2013-01-08 03:03:34 PM
So yesterday, my Obama hating employee, who has been warned several times about starting political conversations in the Welcome Center, started in about how Obama is going to take away everyone's guns. I asked one question - How? Then I said laws originate in Congress and it would have to be Congress outlawing the guns, not Obama.

He left work pissed off.

Oh well.
 
2013-01-08 03:04:26 PM

Dr Dreidel: Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


No, that's never going to get abused at all.
 
2013-01-08 03:05:01 PM
He argues that the media is not asking the questions that need to be asked in the shooting.
ALSO: Missing cat makes incredible 190-mile journey home


That's just bad journalism - you lead with the cat story.
 
2013-01-08 03:09:23 PM

chuckufarlie: You use a government report to show me that the government does not care? Do you see the stupidity in that? Probably not.


You have to be a special kind of bureaucratic-minded government boot-licker to reflexively assume that the preparation and issuance of a REPORT is the same as TAKING ACTION to solve a complex social problem.

Many more children have died since Newtown as a result of TRAFFIC, all of which occurred on government property, than died at Newtown.

But sure, you think a CDC report issued in 2007 makes that all OK.

chuckufarlie: cultural warfare?? How hard were you hit on the head?


You should remove your mouth from Obama's anus and judge him by what he does instead of what he says.

What he is DOING is using all of his political resources to putatively address a social problem that is the No. 4 cause of death of children (and No. 8 overall), while IGNORING a cause of death for this age group that occurs more than five times as often, and also happens to occur almost exclusively on government property.

By focusing on guns at the expense of the bloodbath on the roadways, Obama is also, conveniently, targeting a political group that, by and large, voted against him. The Democrats have consciously and deliberately appealed to two groups -- (a) nonwhite low-income, low-education and urban, and (b) white urban high-income (especially those derived through employment rather than entrepreneurship), high-education, and the college students who aspire to later join that group. That's why he is (a) the darling of the media and (b) the winner of votes in dense metropolitan areas.

He knows quite well that his main political opponents are white, middle-income (especially the self-employed and owners of small businesses), suburban and rural -- what the aforementioned urban coastal groups call "flyover country."

Guess which group has the higher rate of gun ownership.

Of course, the only group with a higher rate of gun ownership is poor, uneducated, black urban males between the ages of 16 and 19. By the way, the vast majority of gun violence is perpetrated by poor, uneducated, black urban males between the ages of 16 and 19.

That group, however, can be counted on not to launch a massive anti-Obama pro-Second Amendment Gun Rights campaign. They're not that well-organized, politically speaking.
 
2013-01-08 03:11:00 PM

Boxcutta: TWX: Dan, go home, you're drunk!

Seriously, please go back to acting. Actors that become conspiracy theorists rarely get respect in their newly-found field. And unlike Jenny McCarthy, there isn't a queue of people wanting to see you so that they can imagine you naked while you talk.

I know what you mean. Sometimes I'm all like, "I'm not reading that article. I don't have time. The world needs to know my opinion about what what I think it's about right now!"


...in the butt?
 
2013-01-08 03:11:27 PM

computerguyUT: I'll tell you straight up, having been in an Army combat unit for 10 years that those kids did NOT get shot by an AR. That's a fact.


Just curious... how many children have you killed to be such an expert?
 
2013-01-08 03:16:35 PM
 
2013-01-08 03:21:07 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.


That answer didnt apply to anything, but whatever.
 
2013-01-08 03:23:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: Aye Carumba: Really, you can waste unarmed people in a confined setting just as dead quick with a plain old handgun. Last few mass shootings in point. Yet banning everything is never going to stop people from going psycho. In the 30's some Japanese guy butchered his whole village with a shotgun, sword and axe

The same f*cking day in China a guy stabbed 22 school children all the same age as the Sandy Hook kids.

"Ohhh but none of them died!"

Yea I'm sure they won't be f*cked up mentally for the rest of their lives, that's much better

Let's ask the dead kids what they would prefer.


"Leave us alone, you farking punk biatch."
 
2013-01-08 03:30:50 PM

SithLord: Dr Dreidel: // supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions

No, that's never going to get abused at all.


So set up a backstop by which someone adjudicated as "not safe to own firearms for the next 3 months" can appeal that designation. It'd probably involve some other mental health professional (or team of them, possibly state-funded) adjudicating them as "safe", but how else do you keep dangerous things out of the wrong hands?

// alternatively, describe for me a system which cannot be abused
// which includes the status-quo (which has been shown to have been abused)
 
2013-01-08 03:44:02 PM

chuckufarlie: Phinn: chuckufarlie: gee, and I thought that the reason that he is demanding gun control was to prevent kids from getting killed.

If Obama genuinely cared about kids "getting killed," he'd start by seeking ways to prevent the No. 1 cause of death of children.

Since that's not what he's doing, he has proven that he does not, in fact, care about kids getting killed.
While he wastes time dithering around with pet projects and waging ideological and cultural warfare against his opposing party's constituency, children are dying. That makes Obama responsible for their deaths. He has failed to do what he could be doing to prevent them.

You use a government report to show me that the government does not care? Do you see the stupidity in that? Probably not.

cultural warfare?? How hard were you hit on the head?


THE TOP THREE CAUSES OF DEATH BY AGE GROUP
0-1 years:
Developmental and genetic conditions that were present at birthSudden infant death syndrome (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001566.htm">SIDS)Al l conditions associated with http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001562.htm">prematuri ty and http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001500.htm">low birth weight1-4 years:
AccidentsDevelopmental and genetic conditions that were present at birthCancer5-14 years:
AccidentsCancerDevelopmental and genetic conditions that were present at birth15-24 years:
AccidentsHomicidehttp://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/0015 54.htm">Suicide
 
2013-01-08 03:45:33 PM
Ewww. Bad formatting errors.
 
2013-01-08 03:49:30 PM
I could see Irwin Mainway saying this stuff.
 
2013-01-08 04:04:10 PM

Joelogon: Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier.

Cattle mutilations are up.

 
2013-01-08 04:13:19 PM

Frankenstorm: Elegy: Frankenstorm: All I know is if it were a mainly black student school and the victims were mainly black, the story would be over by now.

/I know that's not the point at all.I just wanted to say it. to act like a race-baiting douche.

FTFY.

Nope. That wasn't it. I don't play that game. I'm just curious how the press would have handled it.


"No no, I was just idly stating - in a public forum - that no one would care about this if those kids had been black, but I wasn't race-baiting, I swear."

While it might not have been your intention, race-baiting was the result.

What would you do with the reverse? Try this race-baiting response on for size:

"Of course a black kid shooting up a black school wouldn't have been reported the same way, or focused on for as long. News is by definition the exceptional and the unusual. Black kids killing each other is neither news nor exceptional - it is the norm for what is provably the most violent, thuggish, and antisocial segment of our population."
 
2013-01-08 04:18:40 PM

Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?


Change the current date on your PC to some point in the past or future and send them an e-mail.
 
2013-01-08 04:37:48 PM

varmitydog: cousndick

[www.compliancebuilding.com image 850x312]

Table the retired gay congressman?


It's in reference to that lady he had asked what planet she spent most her time on. He followed up by stating (something along the lines of) trying to have a conversation with her would be like arguing with a table.

This professor smells of similar stupidity, and that having any conversation with him would produce similar results to what Barney Frank pointed out.
 
2013-01-08 04:38:46 PM

chuckufarlie: Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?

people like to play with the internet.


Or you could point them at the Vicki Soto memorial FB page that was also set up on Dec 10th.
You might be better off trying to "one up" them ;-)
 
2013-01-08 04:40:50 PM
Sorry I missed your reply FooDog!
But thanks anyways!
 
2013-01-08 05:22:26 PM
I used to love to read about conspiracies. Not believe in them necessarily, but read about them. The Sandy Hook and Aurora nuts really put a damper on that.
 
2013-01-08 06:54:43 PM
FooDog & cousndick: Thanks for explaining the joke to me.
 
2013-01-08 07:46:57 PM

SnoodAddict: chuckufarlie: Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?

people like to play with the internet.

Or you could point them at the Vicki Soto memorial FB page that was also set up on Dec 10th.
You might be better off trying to "one up" them ;-)


Thats actually the route I took. I figured out how to do the search myself, with the same three top results, and then proceeded to show a result on page two for a youtube video talking about this very same United Way search result. But simple minds are surprisingly difficult to blow.

Response was actually that people have a right to believe things or not believe things. I hate people.
 
2013-01-08 09:31:00 PM
He teaches on conspiracy theories. Might it be that he creates intentional distortions to focus on how conspiracy theories come to be and why they persist.

What people out there actually believe
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/one-more-long-shot-coinc i dence-sandy-hook-dark-knight-rises/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW8tVWtrQeM (check links on side)


Or maybe he is a nutjob. I don't know
 
2013-01-08 10:23:09 PM
Between the hurricane and the shootings I'm thinking we aren't gonna see a lot of baby girls named Sandy in the next few months. At least not in the NY/NJ/CT neck of the woods.
 
2013-01-08 11:07:33 PM
Dan Akroyd? What the fark are you talking about? Are you mooks even capable of making a proper sub EVER?
 
2013-01-09 09:41:11 AM

chuckufarlie: he is not ignoring it, he has entire govt. agencies working on those other problems. That seems to be a fact that is hard for you to grasp. You post govt. reports to prove that the govt. is doing nothing and yet the report is all the proof a sane man needs to realize that the govt. is doing something.


There's an entire government agency devoted to guns, too. A couple of them. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, along with the Department of Justice and its criminal prosecution of federal gun crimes. There's a complex system of restriction on the manufacture and sale of guns, background checks and prohibitions of classes of weapons and classes of legal owners. There's also the entire government-run school system, which is tasked with the role of observing and identifying mentally-ill children and directing them to still other government agencies who can deal with them, such as the entire family and criminal court system that has the power to commit dangerous people to various forms of treatment and confinement. They all write reports, too.

Clearly, the very existence of these governmental operations constitutes "doing something" about crazed gun violence, by your standards. These agencies are "doing something" at least as much as the FDOT and CDC are "doing something" about traffic deaths.

But when it comes to gun deaths, you want more to be done. More specifically, you want Obama to be the one to do it.

But when it comes to traffic deaths, you are complacent, and satisfied, even though there are more then 5 times the number of children's traffic deaths than gun deaths.

By approving of this time-wasting, the blood of these needless traffic victims is on your hands.

But, you won't understand any of this because you have Obama's cock so far down your throat that you can't even see straight any more. Whatever he does is all rainbows and unicorns, in your eyes.

You : Obama :: a 12 year-old girl : Justin Beiber

Imagine if, in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre, Obama had rushed to the Rose Garden to make a speech. Picture it clearly -- the sun on his face, the hush that falls over the crowd as Obama steps up to the podium. Imagine his annoying condescension, which his sycophants seem to love, as he begins to lecture us.

Then, imagine as he begins to speak about a problem he describes as "intolerable" ... the epidemic of children drowning in buckets.

There are about 20 per year, he says.

Imagine, then, as he talks about how he's going to use the full power of his office to redress this intolerable problem, how America's death-by-bucket is a stain on the character of us all, how America has failed in the eyes of the community of nations, etc. You know, the usual.

How would people react? Normal, rational people, while deeply saddened by the needless deaths of children drowning in buckets, might begin to wonder WTF he's doing wasting his time on 20 annual deaths-by-bucket, when there are other more serious problems he could be focusing on.
 
2013-01-09 09:54:00 AM

spacelord321: Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.

What? Fark you! Your tripe deserves no more than that!


Look it up, people on the internet really do believe it.  Including the person in this article.
 
2013-01-09 10:06:24 AM

Phinn: How would people react? Normal, rational people, while deeply saddened by the needless deaths of children drowning in buckets, might begin to wonder WTF he's doing wasting his time on 20 annual deaths-by-bucket, when there are other more serious problems he could be focusing on.


I'm sure nobody at Fox News or the right-wing blogosphere would have had a problem if the President hadn't mentioned Sandy Hook Elementary School at all.
 
2013-01-09 10:21:21 AM

freetomato: Phinn: How would people react? Normal, rational people, while deeply saddened by the needless deaths of children drowning in buckets, might begin to wonder WTF he's doing wasting his time on 20 annual deaths-by-bucket, when there are other more serious problems he could be focusing on.

I'm sure nobody at Fox News or the right-wing blogosphere would have had a problem if the President hadn't mentioned Sandy Hook Elementary School at all.


I'm sure you're all bunged up about the existence of people who disagree with you, but I wasn't actually talking about what your ideological opponents were doing, or not doing. Those people don't claim to be my "representative" and "elected official," or claim that whatever form of force they choose to apply to me is legal and just. I'm more concerned about what the government purports to be doing.

In any event, those private citizens at Fox News and the right-wing blogosphere who talk to other private citizens about whatever they want to talk about are just doing it to annoy you. It's all about you, all the time.

Solipsism is another trait of 12 year old girls. Maybe you and chuckufarlie can get together and have a sleep-over and paint each other's toenails.
 
2013-01-09 11:32:28 AM

Kuroshin: Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.

I have a couple co-workers who started up that line the very second I told them about the shooting here at CTC (as it was happening).  I walk up and tell them, "somebody is shooting up the Town Center...right now."  First thing out of their mouths was, "NO WAY."  Second thing was, "IT'S A SET-UP!!!"

Then when Sandy Hook happened they really went nuts.

Mind you, this was with ABSOLUTELY NO PROMPTING.  They didn't get this crap from Wing Nut Daily or Drudge.  Literally the first thing that came into their minds was it being a conspiracy to push through another "assault weapon" ban.  It was an amazing thing to watch.


Do they like Alex Jones? I want to kick that guy in the balls because every single national tragedy is some super secret get-up by the government/NWO boogymen. Fark him.

My conspiracy theory nutter facebook friends of mine now claim they have "proof" that Sandy Cook was a set-up because google archived a United Way page dated Dec 11th, 3 days before the shooting. I have googled that page but it doesn't really mean anything, those google dates can be off by a long time.

I think they're like the Ancient Aliens people, they need some bigger outside force in their lives but aren't interested in religion, so they pick "Aliens" and "The Government" to be that force.
 
2013-01-09 11:47:33 AM

MagSeven: I used to love to read about conspiracies. Not believe in them necessarily, but read about them. The Sandy Hook and Aurora nuts really put a damper on that.


The one that really pissed me off lately was the one with a picture of one of the Sandy Hook victim's mom and sideshow bob's public defender claim they're the same person.

They are 2 brown-haired middle-aged women with a thin frame and long face, you'd really have to be drunk or high to think they're the same person. (Facepalm)
 
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