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(WPBF West Palm Beach)   Dan Ackroyd is a Sandy Hook denier. "There really isn't enough information actually that we can go on. The information that we do have, the information that is being withheld, leads one to be somewhat skeptical"   (wpbf.com) divider line 243
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2013-01-08 12:13:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.


How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.


Bolded bits are most relevant.

Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.

As for what taxes I'd support?  How about we ignore the flame-bait here of "DURRR TAXES!" and say that step one should be at the very least public health insurance.  Offer a no-cost national health plan, funded by Federal dollars, that covers mental health services, on top of the usual stuff.  On top of that, we need to - as a society, so it'll probably never happen - start taking the initiative to single-out people we know (and we *do* know) that are potentially dangerous.  These two things combined would do a hell of a lot toward ending this crap.
 
2013-01-08 12:13:49 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Because that doesn't fit the narrative.

The narrative that gun nuts only picked up after LaPierre's pathetic distraction press conference, and will refuse to support or fund due to socialisms and such.


Hmm?  "Gun nuts" are the ones suggesting weapon bans, rather than solving the problem?  That's a new one.
 
2013-01-08 12:16:00 PM

Makh: It true, people really do believe that this was a set-up by Obama to ban guns.  They blame him for the deaths.



From a 2009 opinion column
:
"President Obama has long been on record for a permanent ban on assault weapons. But one respected Capitol Hill Democrat, a longtime champion of gun control, despairs: "These (recent) killings have, unfortunately, not moved the needle."

What would be required to get this Congress to act? "It would take at least a major massacre of kindergarteners.""


There you go. They knew what it would take to move their agenda forward and they took action.

/totally not serious here
//still a little creepy
 
2013-01-08 12:16:54 PM

Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?


Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions
 
2013-01-08 12:17:50 PM
Clearly too many drugs rotted his brain.
 
2013-01-08 12:18:21 PM

hdhale: The only conspiracy in play is how the media and the White House want to blame the weapons and not the shooter.

Though I will say this...

Pretty as long as Barrack Obama has been a politician, he's been a major gun control advocate. It would be fair to say that there isn't a piece of gun control legislation he hasn't loved, from his days in Chicago, to his time as a US senator to his time in the White House. Reporting on his positions on the issue of gun control is freely available and unambiguous.

Because of Obama's positions on gun control, people who oppose him politically have been been concerned that their ability to purchase certain types of firearms (or firearms at all in some cases) will be taken away and thus they have spent millions on the purchase of said weapons--semiautomatic rifles, pistols, large capacity magazines. Indeed, the revival of the gun industry that started in 2007 with the lifting of the assault weapons ban skyrocketed beginning in 2008 and beyond. Stores have quite literally run out of stocks and manufacturers had to expand production in order to keep up.

Enter Nancy Lanza. She was caught up in the gun buying hysteria like many others and purchased an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle along with other firearms. It would be fair to say that had there not been a rush to purchase such weapons, the looming threat that they would be banned, along with a severe economic crisis, she would have likely put off purchasing some or all of the weapons in her possession. After all, she had a mentally challenged adult son who was on medication for his illness, one she had ended up home schooling because he had anxiety issues and one whom she was contemplating having institutionalized--not an inexpensive proposition, particularly in an era of mental health funding treatment cuts both in the public sector and through insurance plans.

Barrack Obama didn't pull the trigger at Sandy Hook Elementary any more than he did in Colorado, nor did any secr ...


Derp.
 
2013-01-08 12:18:43 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this.


Stolen from a friend on facebook this morning:
Few phrases in current political discourse are more useless than "sensible gun control". What does that even mean? Everyone wants sensible gun control, from the guy who wants to ban pointy ended chop sticks to the person rigging up remote control rifles to deal with the neighbors smarmy cat. But no one agrees what that is, and when you say it you're basically saying "I'm in favor of my own opinion."
 
2013-01-08 12:19:33 PM

vpb: Michael Harris opined that the shooting was carried out by an Israeli paramilitary team.
....Despite compelling geopolitical and diplomatic conditions the claim cannot be verified because the identities of the two-to-four additional suspected gunmen apprehended by Newtown and Connecticut state police remain undisclosed

WTF?


OK, that guy is nuts.
 
2013-01-08 12:21:06 PM
This is the reason I went back to school. If this moron can get a degree and be a teacher at a college there is no reason on earth I cant.

really thats a special kind of dumb there
 
2013-01-08 12:22:24 PM

Dr Dreidel: Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


I like that. I'd still want some judicial review (and not just a rubber stamp) of each case before any of a patients liberties are removed though.

Due process should be protected and not left solely in the hands of a doctor.
 
2013-01-08 12:22:29 PM

hdhale: The only conspiracy in play is how the media and the White House want to blame the weapons and not the shooter.

Though I will say this...

Pretty as long as Barrack Obama has been a politician, he's been a major gun control advocate. It would be fair to say that there isn't a piece of gun control legislation he hasn't loved, from his days in Chicago, to his time as a US senator to his time in the White House. Reporting on his positions on the issue of gun control is freely available and unambiguous.

Because of Obama's positions on gun control, people who oppose him politically have been been concerned that their ability to purchase certain types of firearms (or firearms at all in some cases) will be taken away and thus they have spent millions on the purchase of said weapons--semiautomatic rifles, pistols, large capacity magazines. Indeed, the revival of the gun industry that started in 2007 with the lifting of the assault weapons ban skyrocketed beginning in 2008 and beyond. Stores have quite literally run out of stocks and manufacturers had to expand production in order to keep up.

Enter Nancy Lanza. She was caught up in the gun buying hysteria like many others and purchased an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle along with other firearms. It would be fair to say that had there not been a rush to purchase such weapons, the looming threat that they would be banned, along with a severe economic crisis, she would have likely put off purchasing some or all of the weapons in her possession. After all, she had a mentally challenged adult son who was on medication for his illness, one she had ended up home schooling because he had anxiety issues and one whom she was contemplating having institutionalized--not an inexpensive proposition, particularly in an era of mental health funding treatment cuts both in the public sector and through insurance plans.

Barrack Obama didn't pull the trigger at Sandy Hook Elementary any more than he did in Colorado, nor did any secret government special ops team. It would however be fair to say that Barrack Obama and his administration, intentionally or through stupidity, created an environment of paranoia that helped to create Adam Lanza. If the NRA has blood on its hands, so does he--actually even more so. "I'm not going to take your guns away" was always followed up by "but someday soon I'll make sure you can't buy any more." If you can't see where that would generate a national buying spree of weapons, then God help you.

Supporters of Mr. Obama will now imply or flat out say I'm a moonbat. Have fun with that. I won't be listening.


It cut off the most derpy part. So, I'll post it again.

Derp.
 
2013-01-08 12:24:55 PM

Dr Dreidel: // supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


You know what's funny? I was completely against Obamacare until this whole thing. If it could bring affordable and reliable mental health screening to everyone, then I'm for it.

Yes I also agree that mental health should never be a punishment. We need to remove the stigma of receiving help.
 
2013-01-08 12:25:03 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.


Stop deflecting.

Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?


Please, give us a way that will preserve the rights of all involved, and is one that we will willingly raise our own taxes to cover (because guess what? This, at the very least, is going to cost us money.)
 
2013-01-08 12:27:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: Tat'dGreaser: How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

Because, as we all know, a Fark gun thread is the perfect place for a Biblical discussion:

Ever wondered why the Cain/Abel story is in the beginning of the book? Why does the story go "god finish the world, kicked The Adman and Evey (and their 2 kids) out of their chill-spot, then Kid 1 kills Kid 2"?

Because people have always and are still finding ways of and justifications for killing other people. Because "do not murder each other" is basically the bedrock principle of organized, civil society. Because even though Cain had "reasons" for committing homicide, "[his] brother's blood cries out for justice".

We're never going to stop human nature - so long as we possess the capabilities for irrationality (and "irrationality" is based on what we perceive to be "the norm" anyway), mental illness and anger, people will kill people.

// supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions


Thumbs up!
 
2013-01-08 12:27:49 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.


Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.
 
2013-01-08 12:28:03 PM

IlGreven: Please, give us a way that will preserve the rights of all involved, and is one that we will willingly raise our own taxes to cover (because guess what? This, at the very least, is going to cost us money.)


I just said Obamacare. I'm willing to let it hit me in the pocket there.

What exactly is a ban going to do? What about all of the scary assault weapons that are already out there? Hell what about the ones bought in the last month or so? You want to go door to door for that? Good luck
 
2013-01-08 12:29:31 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Assault weapons account for less than 2% of crimes committed


What do you call 2% of all lawyers chained together at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start.
 
2013-01-08 12:31:00 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Dr Dreidel: // supports a mental-health registry
// though not necessarily stripping patients of their rights
// their doc should make the determination, reviewable every 3 months by that same doctor, based on evaluations of the patient, not based on a sterile, context-less set of questions

You know what's funny? I was completely against Obamacare until this whole thing. If it could bring affordable and reliable mental health screening to everyone, then I'm for it.

Yes I also agree that mental health should never be a punishment. We need to remove the stigma of receiving help.


That's the secondary problem that's still holding us back (primary problem being access to affordable care).  We're a society of isolation and competition.  As soon as you try to get help for what is likely a temporary (or treatable) issue, you're branded.  Instead of being supportive, Americans would rather discard those who need some help.
 
2013-01-08 12:31:21 PM

Kuroshin: HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.

Bolded bits are most relevant.

Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.


How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?

As for what taxes I'd support?  How about we ignore the flame-bait here of "DURRR TAXES!" and say that step one should be at the very least public health insurance.  Offer a no-cost national health plan, funded by Federal dollars, that covers mental health services, on top of the usual stuff.  On top of that, we need to - as a society, so it'll probably never happen - start taking the initiative to single-out people we know (and we *do* know) that are potentially dangerous.  These two things combined would do a hell of a lot toward ending this crap.

So you'd like everything the average gun nut opposes and considers socialism.

Might as well go for the gun ban, it will be just as easy as pulling this off.
 
2013-01-08 12:33:00 PM

Kuroshin: HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Because that doesn't fit the narrative.

The narrative that gun nuts only picked up after LaPierre's pathetic distraction press conference, and will refuse to support or fund due to socialisms and such.

Hmm?  "Gun nuts" are the ones suggesting weapon bans, rather than solving the problem?  That's a new one.


No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control.
 
2013-01-08 12:33:46 PM

Kuroshin: That's the secondary problem that's still holding us back (primary problem being access to affordable care).  We're a society of isolation and competition.  As soon as you try to get help for what is likely a temporary (or treatable) issue, you're branded.  Instead of being supportive, Americans would rather discard those who need some help.


A few months back I was giving a class at my Army Reserve unit about suicide prevention. One young soldier asked if seeking help, even in the civilian sector, would affect her security clearance. I actually did not know so I looked it up, they clearly state that you can never be negatively affected by receiving mental care. It made me realize just how much of a stigma there is out there about getting help.
 
2013-01-08 12:34:21 PM

Aye Carumba: HotWingConspiracy: Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: Let's ask their parents what they would prefer as well.

Look, crazy people will find any way to kill or hurt people.

Indeed.

An arbitrary ban on cosmetic aspects of a weapon that's almost never used in a crime won't do anything

Gotta start somewhere.

How many kids are killed in cities where guns are already pretty much outlawed? Ohh they're black kids so the media doesn't give a sh*t.

Yes, the media never reports about violence in cities. Never ever. When was the last kindergarten massacre in one of these cities, btw?

How about we try and stop why people kill each other and not how?

I'm game. Shame that the same people that prevent sensible gun regulation also oppose any means of doing this. Let me know what kind of tax you're willing to shell out to get this going.

Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.


Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.
 
2013-01-08 12:34:43 PM

HotWingConspiracy: No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control.


It's kind of hard to have that talk when we're completely ignored or the extreme solution is given out that solves nothing.
 
2013-01-08 12:35:09 PM

chuckufarlie: gee, and I thought that the reason that he is demanding gun control was to prevent kids from getting killed.


If Obama genuinely cared about kids "getting killed," he'd start by seeking ways to prevent the No. 1 cause of death of children.

Since that's not what he's doing, he has proven that he does not, in fact, care about kids getting killed.
While he wastes time dithering around with pet projects and waging ideological and cultural warfare against his opposing party's constituency, children are dying. That makes Obama responsible for their deaths. He has failed to do what he could be doing to prevent them.
 
2013-01-08 12:35:11 PM

vpb: Despite compelling geopolitical and diplomatic conditions the claim cannot be verified because the identities of the two-to-four additional suspected gunmen apprehended by Newtown and Connecticut state police remain undisclosed

WTF?


So, was anyone else arrested in connection with the shooting or not? I heard about additional arrests at the time, but it was from the same news sources that were claiming that his mother was teaching a class at the school and he shot her there--i.e., they were getting a lot of stuff wrong.
 
2013-01-08 12:37:51 PM

Tat'dGreaser: You know what's funny? I was completely against Obamacare until this whole thing. If it could bring affordable and reliable mental health screening to everyone, then I'm for it.


I'm far more gun controll-y than you (you could tell from my Weeners, right?) and i don't think Obamacare will work for this. It's a half-assed band-aid solution to a problem that, I think is the root cause of most mass murders in America. Not mental health, but income inequality. Doesn't matter if you can get insurance for cheap or free if you still live off of food stamps because your employer doesn't pay you enough to support yourself, let alone your family...and then they decide you don't get even that insurance because it's "against their religion". So, basically, those in the most real need of mental health screenings can't afford them, and the shootings continue. Unless and until, at the very least, single-payer is a viable option in this country, it doesn't matter how good your mental healthcare is, because most people won't have access to it.
 
2013-01-08 12:38:04 PM
JesseL: "They knew what it would take to move their agenda forward"

Yeah, no. That was just a not-at-all-subtle reference to the Dunblane massacre that motivated the UK to ban handguns.
 
2013-01-08 12:38:31 PM

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control.

It's kind of hard to have that talk when we're completely ignored or the extreme solution is given out that solves nothing.


Does having 200+ house members with A+ scores from the NRA really qualify as being ignored?
 
2013-01-08 12:39:16 PM
I'm going to apologize for bolding my own words up front.  I'm trying to keep the formatting legible.  I'm not yelling or stressing something, I'm just aiding readability.

HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.

How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?


How many murders were committed in spite of it?  You haven't stopped the murder, ergo you haven't done anything to address the problem.

As for what taxes I'd support? How about we ignore the flame-bait here of "DURRR TAXES!" and say that step one should be at the very least public health insurance. Offer a no-cost national health plan, funded by Federal dollars, that covers mental health services, on top of the usual stuff. On top of that, we need to - as a society, so it'll probably never happen - start taking the initiative to single-out people we know (and we *do* know) that are potentially dangerous. These two things combined would do a hell of a lot toward ending this crap.

So you'd like everything the average gun nut opposes and considers socialism.

Might as well go for the gun ban, it will be just as easy as pulling this off.



Who cares what the gun nuts think?  This isn't about them.  This isn't about guns.  This is about mass-murder, or rather, how to stop mass-murder from happening.  You can't ban it away.  You have to address the root cause.  You're arguing directly against doing such a thing (suggesting it's impossible, even though we've already taken the first steps), and instead are wishing to sit on your hands, wailing about those evil guns (or the gun nuts).  You are choosing to be part of the problem.
 
2013-01-08 12:42:35 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.

Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.


inigomontoya.jpg
 
2013-01-08 12:44:29 PM
'It just popped in there'.
 
2013-01-08 12:44:30 PM

Kuroshin: I'm going to apologize for bolding my own words up front.  I'm trying to keep the formatting legible.  I'm not yelling or stressing something, I'm just aiding readability.

HotWingConspiracy: Kuroshin: Banning objects is not "starting" anywhere.  It's nothing at all.  It changes nothing and prevents nothing, all while doing nothing to address the problem.  Even if I didn't own a single gun, I wouldn't be in favor of banning things because it's a massive waste of time and resources.  I personally don't own anything that is considered an "assault weapon" so I'm not even personally affected by this idea, but I'm definitely going to call it out for the abject stupidity that it is.

How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?

How many murders were committed in spite of it?  You haven't stopped the murder, ergo you haven't done anything to address the problem.


This is a joke, right? If I was arguing from the position of achieving zero murders, I might engage you on this. The claim is that bans don't do anything. They clearly do.

Kuroshin: Who cares what the gun nuts think? This isn't about them. This isn't about guns.


They vote, and it most certainly is about guns for them. Also, they showed up armed to protest a bill that came nowhere close to universal health care, dubbing it tyrannical.

This is about mass-murder, or rather, how to stop mass-murder from happening. You can't ban it away.

We can ban some of the implements that allow it to be carried out with ease.

You have to address the root cause. You're arguing directly against doing such a thing (suggesting it's impossible, even though we've already taken the first steps), and instead are wishing to sit on your hands, wailing about those evil guns (or the gun nuts). You are choosing to be part of the problem.

I've been arguing for universal health care for my entire adult life. I'm just not pretending it's a magic bullet. This needs to be addressed on multiple fronts.
 
2013-01-08 12:44:52 PM
I would say that if you wanted to pass tuff gun control laws a shooting like this would be a great way to get the people to back you up. It would come as no surprise to me if this had been a setup, but I really doubt it as we have people who saw the shooter. Have there been any more details released about how this school was targeted by the shooter? Don't think our government is beyond doing something like this, because they are not and if think they are then you need to check out some history of the things this government has done. If you support the banning of firearms then you are one of the stupidest people in the world, because having an armed populace keeps the government in check and other nations reluctant to invade.
 
2013-01-08 12:45:44 PM

Kuroshin: HotWingConspiracy: Let's start with hanging bath salt dealers. Last week a crazy bath salt junkie a few miles from my house was arrested in a residential area, naked on a cold day, with a loaded AK-47 and a samurai sword.

And you want to take MY gun away so that only psychos and violent criminals ( and collapsed governments ) have guns? Sorry, but if I see a naked guy with a weapon in my driveway, I'm reaching for my gun while I call the cops. If the cops take too long and something goes down, your irrational fear of guns would have lead to my harm instead of crazy guys. I don't like this scenario.

Sure buddy, I'm the one with the irrational fears.

inigomontoya.jpg


Go ahead and run the numbers of bath salt attacks vs. gun attacks. Get back to me and let me know which is more irrational.
 
2013-01-08 12:46:39 PM

IlGreven: I'm far more gun controll-y than you (you could tell from my Weeners, right?) and i don't think Obamacare will work for this. It's a half-assed band-aid solution to a problem that, I think is the root cause of most mass murders in America. Not mental health, but income inequality. Doesn't matter if you can get insurance for cheap or free if you still live off of food stamps because your employer doesn't pay you enough to support yourself, let alone your family...and then they decide you don't get even that insurance because it's "against their religion". So, basically, those in the most real need of mental health screenings can't afford them, and the shootings continue. Unless and until, at the very least, single-payer is a viable option in this country, it doesn't matter how good your mental healthcare is, because most people won't have access to it.


I completely agree but I'm trying to tackle one situation at a time. This assault weapon ban is brought up because of specifically this incident that was carried out by a crazy person. More people die in the inner cities every year than mass shootings. It just grabs more attention when it happens outside of the city. A ton of our countries problems could be solved by fixing the problems of the inner city. The biggest issue is that it's already illegal for someone with mental health problems to own a firearm, so we need to figure out how to enforce this better.

HotWingConspiracy: Does having 200+ house members with A+ scores from the NRA really qualify as being ignored?


I thought you were asking about opening a dialog with us "gun nuts". I'm willing to talk about gun control but you probably don't want to hear what I have to say because you already made your mind up about what I'm going to say.
 
2013-01-08 12:46:49 PM
HotWingConspiracy: "No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control."

It's not their *only* out.
They also attempted to blame movies, videogames, the victims (human wave attacks!), existing regulations (gun free zones!), low gun ownership (moar guns!), etc.

It's just the only out that happens to be an actual social problem that can and ought to be addressed.

/ And it's catchy with the Fark Independent/"too cool for school" types who believe "both sides do it" and enjoy promoting such orthogonal concerns.
// Not that it's *not* a problem worth pursuing
/// Just that, like you say, they're all posturing when they really couldn't give two shiats
//// Put forth an actual mental health proposal and they'll argue we can't do it because we can't afford it
 
2013-01-08 12:46:57 PM

Elegy: Frankenstorm: All I know is if it were a mainly black student school and the victims were mainly black, the story would be over by now.

/I know that's not the point at all.I just wanted to say it. to act like a race-baiting douche.

FTFY.


Nope. That wasn't it. I don't play that game. I'm just curious how the press would have handled it.
 
2013-01-08 12:47:40 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "While talking to WPBF, Tracy posed questions about security video, two other suspects in the shooting and the Obama administration's agenda with gun control."

Ah.


He didn't have an agenda, until a nut with a semiautomatic second-amendment-ed twenty 6-year-olds. For freedom, I guess.
 
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2013-01-08 01:07:01 PM

ghare: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "While talking to WPBF, Tracy posed questions about security video, two other suspects in the shooting and the Obama administration's agenda with gun control."

Ah.

He didn't have an agenda, until a nut with a semiautomatic second-amendment-ed twenty 6-year-olds. For freedom, I guess.


Let's be clear here. Murder = murder no matter what means were used. The second amendment does not call for or espouse murder. In fact, 99.999% of all gun owners are never involved in any crime, let alone murder. Keeping their gun is their personal protection against being murdered.
 
2013-01-08 01:12:59 PM
Maybe it's finally time for me to get on the meds, but this story, this thread, and the links on this page make me very, very sad for my country and humanity's future.
 
2013-01-08 01:19:46 PM
Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please--YES!

Professor of MEDIA STUDIES!
Social Sciences FOR THE WIN, once again!

Tell me, again, why we are willing to spend tax money on paying people to get degrees in fields like his...
 
2013-01-08 01:31:42 PM

ringersol: HotWingConspiracy: "No, they're pretending to give a fark about mental illness because it's their only out to avoid talk of gun control."

It's not their *only* out.
They also attempted to blame movies, videogames, the victims (human wave attacks!), existing regulations (gun free zones!), low gun ownership (moar guns!), etc.

It's just the only out that happens to be an actual social problem that can and ought to be addressed.


The big problem for me is, most don't want to address it in a meaningful way. Basically, it's this:

GUNAD: OBAMMER'S GUNNA TAKE ARE GUNZ!
GUNCN: Well, what do you suggest?
GUNAD: MENTAL HEALTH! MENTAL HEALTH!
GUNCN: Well, how are you gonna pay for it? Most people couldn't pay for such things out of pocket, and we already know most of you are against your taxes going up, and you're already against "OBAMMERCARE" as "SOSHULISM", so, how are you going to pay for comprehensive mental healthcare when we can't even afford basic healthcare?
GUNAD: ...
GUNAD: OBAMMER'S GUNNA TAKE ARE GUNZ!
 
2013-01-08 01:32:07 PM
HotWingConspiracy


How many murders are committed with machine guns that have been banned from civilian ownership?

Actually, they haven't been banned from ownership. There is a $200 tax stamp required to purchase a Fully Automatic Weapon, and since the manufacture of them for civilian purchase was stopped about 30 years ago. However, pre-ban weapons still exist and are quite lucrative investments. Fun to shoot too.

And the answer to your question is ZERO. No legal fully automatic weapons have been used on a person since the Tax Stamp and Background check went into effect.
 
2013-01-08 01:32:32 PM

machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 581x480]

GIS for sandy hook conspiracy


Wheh - glad I don't live on one of those lines of doom. Nothing bad has ever happened outside of them!
 
2013-01-08 01:39:05 PM
You read the script and made the conclusion it was a good idea to star in Caddy Shack Two.

That is all I need to know about your ability to form a valid opinion.
 
2013-01-08 01:48:55 PM

Ghastly: You read the script and made the conclusion it was a good idea to star in Caddy Shack Two.

That is all I need to know about your ability to form a valid opinion.


Hmm, you couldn't be bothered to click the link or notice the dozen-plus comments making that same mistake you just made and being called on it.

Which is fine except for that remark about your expertise on valid opinions...
 
2013-01-08 01:56:48 PM
This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

www.thedailysheeple.com

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?
 
2013-01-08 02:02:57 PM

Ecobuckeye: This literally just hit my facebook.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/united-way-sends-condol en ces-to-sandy-hook-victims-3-days-before-the-shooting-2530888.html

[www.thedailysheeple.com image 693x428]

How do I respond to my derptastic family members on this one?


Obviously they used 0bama's Magical Time Machine.
 
2013-01-08 02:05:10 PM

OptimusHime: Ghastly: You read the script and made the conclusion it was a good idea to star in Caddy Shack Two.

That is all I need to know about your ability to form a valid opinion.

Hmm, you couldn't be bothered to click the link or notice the dozen-plus comments making that same mistake you just made and being called on it.

Which is fine except for that remark about your expertise on valid opinions...


Hey I don't shiat on your jokes.
 
2013-01-08 02:07:21 PM

Diogenes: James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events.

He's also a terrible writer. His blog and his "article" (i.e., other blog post) on GlobalResearch are atrocious. It's shameful that this guy is teaching anything media related, but it's even worse if he's evaluating and advising students on writing.
 
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