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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Eight years in prison for reckless homicide and two on parole weren't enough to make this guy stop driving drunk - or, as the prosecution said, "knocking on the prison door to get in." Have another eight   (suntimes.com) divider line 29
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2013-01-08 09:27:13 AM
10/10 for the prosecution
 
2013-01-08 09:30:25 AM
Judge said 5 to 10, i said double that again, I'm not working for the clampdown.
 
2013-01-08 09:31:01 AM
Candace, who was not wearing a seat belt, was thrown into the back seat by the force of the collision, which occurred as her mother was pulling out of a convenience store parking lot. Constance Graham later admitted that she also was intoxicated at the time.

Driving drunk. Driving with a child in the car. Driving the vehicle with an unrestrained child.

What did this woman think was going to happen to her daughter?
 
2013-01-08 09:33:21 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Candace, who was not wearing a seat belt, was thrown into the back seat by the force of the collision, which occurred as her mother was pulling out of a convenience store parking lot. Constance Graham later admitted that she also was intoxicated at the time.

Driving drunk. Driving with a child in the car. Driving the vehicle with an unrestrained child.

What did this woman think was going to happen to her daughter?


I'm curious if she also received 8 years in prison.
 
2013-01-08 09:33:51 AM
Having already proves his complete incompetence, this individual should have his reproductive parts chopped off and be given the opportunity to live out his days in a government work camp.

Just 8 more years for doing the EXACT SAME THING? Stupid.
 
2013-01-08 09:38:56 AM
"I apologize to the court for the mistakes that I've made. I'm doing what I can to help myself get past that," Higginbotham said,

Such as... what, only ordering the house beer instead of the top-flight brews before you get back into your car?

Rot in prison, asshole. If there were any justice you'd be put to death instead. Painfully.
 
2013-01-08 09:40:48 AM

computerguyUT: Having already proves his complete incompetence, this individual should have his reproductive parts chopped off and be given the opportunity to live out his days in a government work camp.

Just 8 more years for doing the EXACT SAME THING? Stupid.


It's almost like jail is a horrible idea that doesn't work and the only reason we use it is because it lines pockets in the legal system.
 
2013-01-08 09:41:51 AM
Higginbotham's attorney, Alonzo Zahour, argued that Higginbotham has shown remorse and has attended regular drug and alcohol classes while he has been in the county jail.
And Higginbotham on Monday said he was sorry.


Well, he did say he was sorry. What more do you people want?
 
2013-01-08 09:48:30 AM

boyvoyeur: Higginbotham's attorney, Alonzo Zahour, argued that Higginbotham has shown remorse and has attended regular drug and alcohol classes while he has been in the county jail.
And Higginbotham on Monday said he was sorry.

Well, he did say he was sorry. What more do you people want?


That should suffice for the Christians out there. :|
 
2013-01-08 09:54:21 AM

doglover: computerguyUT: Having already proves his complete incompetence, this individual should have his reproductive parts chopped off and be given the opportunity to live out his days in a government work camp.

Just 8 more years for doing the EXACT SAME THING? Stupid.

It's almost like jail is a horrible idea that doesn't work and the only reason we use it is because it lines pockets in the legal system.


Or he won't be drunk driving for 5-10 years while he's there.

Killing him is my plan. Other than jail what do you propose?
 
2013-01-08 09:54:50 AM
Knock, knock, knockin on prisons dowahoaorrrr,
i, i , i oh yeah
 
2013-01-08 09:59:10 AM
It's Joliet. Driving drunk is par for the course there.
 
2013-01-08 09:59:30 AM
Yeah, this whole jail thing as an unquestioned default response to crime is odd to me. What's the point?

Punishment? If so, is this the only kind of punishment?
Deterrence?
Rehabilitation?
Stopping recidivism?

Seems to me that the justice system ought to be concerned with preventing reassurances. The drunk who killed my mom and sister (and injured me) had been arrested six times before he hit us. And he killed two more families drunk before he offed himself in a single-car wreck. For reference, this was 1971 Wyoming I'm talking about.

I'm not sure what the answer is, though. I supported MADD in their early days, but no longer do. I'm no fan of checkpoints or the initiative that would connect breathalyzers to the starter of every car.

For me, even after all these years, it's a big can of worms that I cannot really sort out right. I've made peace in a way in that I have to believe that if someone is hell-bent on destruction, there's not a lot I can do about it. I guess I'm not willing to give up or ask you to give up the sanity of living normally (and by that I mean breathalyzers in every car, for example) for the delusion of a perfectly safe world.

I'm not sure what I'm getting at here. Maybe an ounce or two of catharsis?
 
2013-01-08 10:01:08 AM

RickRR: doglover: computerguyUT: Having already proves his complete incompetence, this individual should have his reproductive parts chopped off and be given the opportunity to live out his days in a government work camp.

Just 8 more years for doing the EXACT SAME THING? Stupid.

It's almost like jail is a horrible idea that doesn't work and the only reason we use it is because it lines pockets in the legal system.

Or he won't be drunk driving for 5-10 years while he's there.

Killing him is my plan. Other than jail what do you propose?


Safer cars.

Drunk driving is one of those crimes you can't really quantify because the cops only catch the people who screw up. In most places outside the city, it's a necessity of life to deal with drunks on the road. Add to this the fact that laws are set up to force drunks out onto the road at 2AM and you've got yourself a whole heap o-danger.

Basically, all of my legal reforms are prophylactic. Instead of punishing crimes, merely set up society so actually committing those crimes would be inconvenient and pointless. Consider that there's no law against feeding your own testicles into a garbage disposal because there doesn't need to be. We simply make drunk driving equally inconvenient and the problem goes away. Or, we can have some kind of trade off times. 6AM-12PM Sober Driving 1AM-5AM Drunk Driving. If you don't wanna risk it, park your biscuit.
 
2013-01-08 10:03:31 AM
10 years...for killing a sweet little girl. I guess that's what the judge thinks a life is worth.

/asshole.
 
2013-01-08 10:07:14 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: 10 years...for killing a sweet little girl. I guess that's what the judge thinks a life is worth.

/asshole.


Maybe she was a biatch?
 
2013-01-08 10:10:32 AM

Xaneidolon: Yeah, this whole jail thing as an unquestioned default response to crime is odd to me. What's the point?

Punishment? If so, is this the only kind of punishment?
Deterrence?
Rehabilitation?
Stopping recidivism?

Seems to me that the justice system ought to be concerned with preventing reassurances. The drunk who killed my mom and sister (and injured me) had been arrested six times before he hit us. And he killed two more families drunk before he offed himself in a single-car wreck. For reference, this was 1971 Wyoming I'm talking about.

I'm not sure what the answer is, though. I supported MADD in their early days, but no longer do. I'm no fan of checkpoints or the initiative that would connect breathalyzers to the starter of every car.

For me, even after all these years, it's a big can of worms that I cannot really sort out right. I've made peace in a way in that I have to believe that if someone is hell-bent on destruction, there's not a lot I can do about it. I guess I'm not willing to give up or ask you to give up the sanity of living normally (and by that I mean breathalyzers in every car, for example) for the delusion of a perfectly safe world.

I'm not sure what I'm getting at here. Maybe an ounce or two of catharsis?


Prisons have alcohol treatment programs - most make successful completion a condition for early release. In this case, we're talking specific deterrence. The thinking would be, "We know this drunk is an imminent threat to life and health if not incarcerated, and we must protect society." I'm sure this person had a ton of chances to change offered by the state before that first prison term - outpatient therapy, inpatient treatment, drug court, all of that happy crap. Reoffending just makes it easy for the prosecutor and judge to pull the lever for prison again.
 
2013-01-08 10:13:27 AM
One of the most gruesome realities of our country (our world) is that a sizable minority of its people live only to drink and drive.  They can't imagine an evening going by that doesn't involve getting plowed and then driving.  Regardless of consequences.  I'm pretty sure this guy doesn't give a rat's ass that he killed somebody.  Or if he does, it clearly doesn't stop him for more than a few milliseconds from drinking and driving again.

It's too bad we can't come up with some kind of gene therapy that permanently changes you so that you retch violently every time you ingest even a small amount of alcohol; but then I remember a really disturbing documentary that, at one point, showed a woman who had been a hardcore boozer all her life, and whose kidneys were destroyed, drinking wood alcohol and then screaming in agony for hours on end in a hospital.  The staff all knew her; she'd done this many times in the past.  She pleaded for something to kill the pain.  They couldn't give it to her, because that was merely training her that she could drink, then go to the hospital and get narcotics on top of it.  So she just writhed and screamed all night.

But please remember that marijuana is the truly dangerous drug.
 
2013-01-08 10:22:45 AM

Kibbler: It's too bad we can't come up with some kind of gene therapy that permanently changes you so that you retch violently every time you ingest even a small amount of alcohol;



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2013-01-08 11:33:13 AM
He has a disease. he needs treatment, not incarceration
 
2013-01-08 11:53:25 AM

probesport: Knock, knock, knockin on prisons dowahoaorrrr,
i, i , i oh yeah

minor thread jack.
I heard a parody song on Bob and Tom years ago "walking to the liquor store". Never have been able to find a copy of it, tracked it down to the comedian Todd yohn, who took the time to reply to an Email. unfortunately it isn't on any of his albums.
 
2013-01-08 11:53:58 AM
I don't condone drunk driving, but I do condone the "solution" which is really just an expensive band-aid that will never heal the problem.

This guy drove drunk after 10 years in custody or on monitoring. Those 10 years probably cost society $300,000 - $500,000 in incarceration, monitoring, and judicial resources. Did it help? Nope. Why? Because he was still an addict. So that means we can either (1) lock drunk drivers up longer; or (2) look for better options.

There is seldom support for programs that work - rehabilitation, treatment, halfway houses, job programs, but there is almost always support for longer and harsher sentences. The lack of non-incarceration options which have the potential to actually solve the problem gets worse every year as programs are cut.

If we simply lock folks up longer, we only push the problem down the road in the most expensive way possible.
 
2013-01-08 12:00:23 PM

rhiannon: AverageAmericanGuy: Candace, who was not wearing a seat belt, was thrown into the back seat by the force of the collision, which occurred as her mother was pulling out of a convenience store parking lot. Constance Graham later admitted that she also was intoxicated at the time.

Driving drunk. Driving with a child in the car. Driving the vehicle with an unrestrained child.

What did this woman think was going to happen to her daughter?

I'm curious if she also received 8 years in prison.


You misunderstand what happened due to the very poorly written article. He hit a separate car pulling out of a parking lot, the mother of that car didn't see him because he was driving in the wrong lane against traffic. He also fled.

Higginbotham is accused of drunken driving, driving on a revoked license, driving in the wrong lane and leaving the scene of an accident.

The serial offender allegedly hit a vehicle before pulling into a parking lot with sparks coming from his wheel assembly, the Chicago Herald News reported.

Higginbotham declined to take a breath test, police said.

Link
 
2013-01-08 12:06:21 PM

doubled99: He has a disease. he needs treatment, not incarceration


As long as car keys and beer are available in the community he is a danger to everyone around him. When he is finished his treatment would you want him to live next door to you?

Here is where I draw the line. He knew he had a problem. He took coke and alcohol while his car keys where in his possession. His license was revoked (link above) so he made a decision to ignore all laws and rules. If he got coke and boozed up in a friends house or his own house with the keys locked away I would feel sorry for him. He didn't, he knew what he was doing before the first drink and made no effort to stop. He needs no treatment, he needs a jail cell for the rest of his life.
 
2013-01-08 12:18:32 PM

EatTheRich: doubled99: He has a disease. he needs treatment, not incarceration

As long as car keys and beer are available in the community he is a danger to everyone around him. When he is finished his treatment would you want him to live next door to you?

Here is where I draw the line. He knew he had a problem. He took coke and alcohol while his car keys where in his possession. His license was revoked (link above) so he made a decision to ignore all laws and rules. If he got coke and boozed up in a friends house or his own house with the keys locked away I would feel sorry for him. He didn't, he knew what he was doing before the first drink and made no effort to stop. He needs no treatment, he needs a jail cell for the rest of his lifebullet to the head>.


What's the point of taxpayers keeping him healthy and safe? He's repeatedly shown no such interest in keeping anyone else on the road healthy and safe. He's had multiple opportunities to improve himself, but he's chosen to be a danger to the community instead. Stop wasting resources on what can't be fixed. He's a waste of life.
 
2013-01-08 12:24:34 PM
In his defense, if my name was Higginbotham, I'd probably be drunk most of the time too.
 
2013-01-08 01:54:03 PM

doubled99: He has a disease. he needs treatment, not incarceration


Because it's a disease doesn't mean you have an excuse to harm others. Other examples People with AIDS who knowingly have unprotected sex without informing their partner. Hell even Typhoid Marry was arrested and quarantined, she refused to listen to people saying she was killing others, she should have been locked up. The fact is having a disease is one thing, not handling it properly can be illegal. Nothing about Alcoholism makes you drive your car. I know an alcoholics that gave up the license and car so he wouldn't drive drunk.
 
2013-01-08 04:04:43 PM

doglover: computerguyUT: Having already proves his complete incompetence, this individual should have his reproductive parts chopped off and be given the opportunity to live out his days in a government work camp.

Just 8 more years for doing the EXACT SAME THING? Stupid.

It's almost like jail is a horrible idea that doesn't work and the only reason we use it is because it lines pockets in the legal system.


Jail works great. For the next 8 years, he won't be driving drunk.
 
2013-01-08 09:52:58 PM
Look at the mutt. There's nothing that will ever change him. Make it life without parole let him die in prison and be buried in the prison graveyard.
 
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