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2013-01-08 03:13:29 AM
Let me guess- Sad tag is still on the picket lines from the writers strike, subby ?
I say this as someone who used to look forward to watching Jay, when he showed up on Daves' show

sigh

/i know, im old-deal with it
 
2013-01-08 03:57:46 AM
That is some weird, wild stuff.
 
2013-01-08 08:42:44 AM
Do any of the streaming sites have old Carson episodes? I'd watch a few.
 
2013-01-08 09:33:17 AM

Relatively Obscure: That is some weird, wild stuff.


Not at all.

Leno is the stereotypical Hollywood 'top guy' who will not release his phantom grip on power.  Ever.
 
2013-01-08 09:40:39 AM
he was probably in the closet at that fallon meeting
 
2013-01-08 09:41:36 AM
Because Republicans stay up late too.
 
2013-01-08 09:43:50 AM
i104.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-08 10:04:22 AM
Kimmel is going to be in the same time slot of Jay and Dave starting tonight. Jay's not funny. Dave's too old and no longer funny. Jimmy is going to crush in the ratings once people who previously can't stay up til 12:00find out how damn funny his show is.
 
2013-01-08 10:06:31 AM
Every time they renew Leno's contract it is like the "can't somebody else do it" method of network TV management. Leno is getting old and he won't be around for ever, but everytime his contract comes up for renewal the bosses at NBC just renew it (since Leno wants to work) since it is easier than trying to groom someone new to take over. And then they just hope that they won't be in charge when the time comes and Leno wants to retire and they have no one to take over. Jay will be 63 this year, if his contract is extended for two more years he will be 65 when it comes up for renewal again. By comparison Johnny Carson was 66 when he retired. This honestly seems like a short sited quick fix. Sure it works for now and Leno gets ratings, but Leno won't be around forever and Late Night TV seems like it gets less and less relevant each year. As Leno's fans start to become the type of people who have dinner at 4pm and are in bed by 7pm who is going to be watching his show in the future?

Although you are screwed either way since while I think Fallon gets a lot of media attention for the bits he does, I think a lot more of those are watched as youtube clips compared to the number of people who actually watch his show. Which means if the audience is shrinking the best bet is to find someone who can create buzz, but will work for cheap.
 
2013-01-08 10:07:46 AM

strangeguitar: Kimmel is going to be in the same time slot of Jay and Dave starting tonight. Jay's not funny. Dave's too old and no longer funny. Jimmy is going to crush in the ratings once people who previously can't stay up til 12:00find out how damn funny his show is.


I grew up with Dave, but he's been doing the same show for a decade, now. I enjoy Fallon, but he's on too late for me. I'm looking forward to giving Kimmel a try. I may be an old coot, but I like my humor young and fresh. (Did I just write that??)
 
2013-01-08 10:14:04 AM
It really seems like Leno has some irrational fear that if he's not working he'll immediately shrivel up and die.
 
2013-01-08 10:21:22 AM
Late night TV is dead.

At least at it's current production costs.
 
2013-01-08 10:39:52 AM
"Although you are screwed either way since while I think Fallon gets a lot of media attention for the bits he does, I think a lot more of those are watched as youtube clips compared to the number of people who actually watch his show. Which means if the audience is shrinking the best bet is to find someone who can create buzz, but will work for cheap."

This is a great point. Most of what I know of Fallon I know from YouTube clips or Twitter...not from the show.
 
2013-01-08 10:46:11 AM

mechgreg:

Although you are screwed either way since while I think Fallon gets a lot of media attention for the bits he does, I think a lot more of those are watched as youtube clips compared to the number of people who actually watch his show. Which means if the audience is shrinking the best bet is to find someone who can create buzz, but will work for cheap.


I have conditioned myself to think that Jimmy's show is great, but due to my work schedule, I have never actually seen it, but I have seen plenty of talked about clips on you tube. I do remember watching Letterman and Carson as a kid and it seemed like a lot more fun. Guests would come by just to hang out with the guys and tell some funny stories. Maybe that's just nostalgia getting in the way...
Now the formula is way too predictable. Really bad jokes during a monologue, a bit or skit, guests who are only on to promote the latest project, close with a hack comedian or hit or miss musical guest. Rinse repeat ect. And it becomes blatantly obvious when actors from other networks never appear on the opposite network's late nate program. Like most shows, its just there to sell advertisements, not to entertain.
 
2013-01-08 11:13:10 AM
I prefer to not watch any of these shows and wait for other people to filter out the crap and put the good bits on Youtube for me. That way I laugh and am able to keep up on the latest pop culture catchphrases, which come in handy at work and while watching Dreamworks animated movies.
 
2013-01-08 11:20:03 AM

AuralArgument: Late night TV is dead.

At least at it's current production costs


I'm pretty sure Craig Ferguson's show doesn't have very high production costs and has to be making money even if the ratings aren't high -- it's Craig, a gay robot skeleton made by Grant Imahara, and a couple of interns in a horse costume. It's also probably the funniest of the network late night shows; it certainly has the best interviews.
 
2013-01-08 11:38:57 AM

AuralArgument: Late night TV is dead.

At least at it's current production costs.


Exactly, although I think there is still a way to use it at least if you can do it for cheap but have a show that gets people talking. I mean to use the tonight show as an example it is owned by NBC. NBC/Universal is owned by Comcast. So even if the show itself doesn't make a huge profit with advertising, if you can get people to share videos of it and talk about it you can use it as a platform to promote other NBC shows, or Universal movies or the Theme Parks, or the shows that come on the cable channels that Comcast owns so that those things can make a higher profit.
 
2013-01-08 11:42:23 AM
It's a shame Comcast didn't take over earlier. They would have kept O'Brien.
 
2013-01-08 11:55:45 AM

Scythed: It's a shame Comcast didn't take over earlier. They would have kept O'Brien.


Not so sure. NBC really farked themselves with that decision (well the one they made like 4 years earlier to hand the tonight show over).I mean when it was getting close for the time when Jay was supposed to step down he basically told them he didn't care which network he worked for he just wanted to work, and if he wasn't working for NBC he would just go work for ABC. And with the ratings Leno was getting at the time having Leno on ABC and Letterman on CBS would have killed a Conan run tonight show. Which is why they came up with the Leno show at 10pm. But Leno's contract was so damn iron clad that when they realized that show was a huge mistake they couldn't do anything about it without losing a ton of money. It was actually cheaper to just let Conan walk than to try and get rid of Jay, especially because Jay's contract was worded so that if there was a lawsuit they judge could potentially force NBC to play his 10pm show.
 
2013-01-08 12:00:31 PM
Who watches this shiat?
 
2013-01-08 12:26:03 PM
There's always a alternative...

lucianogalasso.files.wordpress.com
/I know he's later on.
 
2013-01-08 12:32:52 PM
Jimmy, don't sign the Tonight Show contract until they show you Leno's room-temperature corpse. And then drive a wooden stake through its heart, sever the head and burn the body.

Then and only then sign the Tonight Show contract.
 
2013-01-08 01:07:20 PM

JerseyTim: Do any of the streaming sites have old Carson episodes? I'd watch a few.


There is a pretty decent official YouTube channel, with lots of interviews and bits going as far back as they can find. I haven't seen any complete episodes on there, though.
 
2013-01-08 01:11:57 PM
And if they had passed on extending Leno's contract, who exactly could they get that would approach Carson's level, Mr. Subby? Jimmy "Giggles" Fallon?
 
2013-01-08 01:27:14 PM

Relatively Obscure: That is some weird, wild stuff.


[iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg]

/yeah, i'm old too
 
2013-01-08 01:36:11 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Relatively Obscure: That is some weird, wild stuff.

Not at all.


:\

Madbassist1: [iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg]

/yeah, i'm old too


Thank goodness.

/*respek knuckles*
 
2013-01-08 01:52:24 PM

strangeguitar: Kimmel is going to be in the same time slot of Jay and Dave starting tonight. Jay's not funny. Dave's too old and no longer funny. Jimmy is going to crush in the ratings once people who previously can't stay up til 12:00find out how damn funny his show is.


I like him. Jimmy Kimmel is really funny, just ask him.
 
2013-01-08 02:04:56 PM
The Leno Hate Show on Fark continues unabated, while Leno continues to pile up the cash to buy more cars. And NBC will rake in advertiser money and ratings.

But, please, tell me how NBC is all sorts of jacked up for keeping that printing press of money known as Jay Leno?
 
2013-01-08 02:14:39 PM

Mi-5: The Leno Hate Show on Fark continues unabated, while Leno continues to pile up the cash to buy more cars. And NBC will rake in advertiser money and ratings.

But, please, tell me how NBC is all sorts of jacked up for keeping that printing press of money known as Jay Leno?


Except the cash Leno uses for his cars and his houses and whatever is cash he makes from his stand-up performances. The cash Leno makes off of NBC he just puts in the bank. And Leno's stand up is kind of funny.
 
2013-01-08 02:30:18 PM

Mi-5: The Leno Hate Show on Fark continues unabated, while Leno continues to pile up the cash to buy more cars. And NBC will rake in advertiser money and ratings.

But, please, tell me how NBC is all sorts of jacked up for keeping that printing press of money known as Jay Leno?


Fools, money, the Red Sea Moses trick...
 
2013-01-08 02:33:57 PM
That headline has spent too much time hermetically sealed inside a mayonnaise jar underneath Funk & Wagnalls' porch.
 
2013-01-08 02:35:12 PM

Mi-5: The Leno Hate Show on Fark continues unabated, while Leno continues to pile up the cash to buy more cars. And NBC will rake in advertiser money and ratings.

But, please, tell me how NBC is all sorts of jacked up for keeping that printing press of money known as Jay Leno?


Looking at recent ratings, it looks like about 1 million people in the 18-49 age group watch Leno, and 900,000 watch Letterman. If these numbers wow you I have a shiny piece of string you might enjoy.
 
2013-01-08 02:40:05 PM

GQueue: AuralArgument: Late night TV is dead.

At least at it's current production costs

I'm pretty sure Craig Ferguson's show doesn't have very high production costs and has to be making money even if the ratings aren't high -- it's Craig, a gay robot skeleton made by Grant Imahara, and a couple of interns in a horse costume. It's also probably the funniest of the network late night shows; it certainly has the best interviews.


I'm in LA on vacation, and the wife and I took a break from Disneyland to catch a taping of Craig Ferguson yesterday afternoon. It was a hell of a lot of fun, but ai was shocked by how tight a ship he runs. No retakes, few breaks, just straight through at a pretty brisk pace to efficiently use the studio space. The only thing different from the broadcast version is that the cold open is taped AFTER the opening monologue. Otherwise, what you see is what happened in the studio.

/Added bonus yesterday was seeing Krysten Ritter in person, sorta close up
 
2013-01-08 02:44:19 PM

Mad_Radhu: I'm in LA on vacation, and the wife and I took a break from Disneyland to catch a taping of Craig Ferguson yesterday afternoon. It was a hell of a lot of fun, but ai was shocked by how tight a ship he runs. No retakes, few breaks, just straight through at a pretty brisk pace to efficiently use the studio space. The only thing different from the broadcast version is that the cold open is taped AFTER the opening monologue. Otherwise, what you see is what happened in the studio.


I saw a Letterman taping a couple of years ago and it is basically the same thing. Although the waiting in line process and getting seated process takes a few hours the show itself is shot as if it were live (with the appropreaite time taken for commercial breaks where Dave gets a drink of water, takes his jacket off and gets his make-up touched up.

Mad_Radhu: /Added bonus yesterday was seeing Krysten Ritter in person, sorta close up


It is amazing how much hotter actresses are in person. When I saw Letterman JLo was his guest and I have never been a big fan of her or thought she was anything special, but she is smoking hot in real life.
 
2013-01-08 02:56:17 PM

jdjoker: JerseyTim: Do any of the streaming sites have old Carson episodes? I'd watch a few.

There is a pretty decent official YouTube channel, with lots of interviews and bits going as far back as they can find. I haven't seen any complete episodes on there, though.


Cool, thanks.
 
2013-01-08 03:02:05 PM

GQueue: AuralArgument: Late night TV is dead.

At least at it's current production costs

I'm pretty sure Craig Ferguson's show doesn't have very high production costs and has to be making money even if the ratings aren't high -- it's Craig, a gay robot skeleton made by Grant Imahara, and a couple of interns in a horse costume. It's also probably the funniest of the network late night shows; it certainly has the best interviews.


Agreed.
 
2013-01-08 04:07:58 PM
Just once, can someone screw leno just like he has screwed so many other entertainers?

// hiding in a closet in the conference room during the late-night wars is just sleazy.
//or, maybe he was interviewing tom cruise..
 
2013-01-08 05:37:32 PM
Since Craig Ferguson doesn't seem to want to ever move up to an earlier time slot, maybe Letterman will retire only to be replaced by Jay Leno after his NBC contract runs out.

Added bonus if his competition for the CBS job is Conan.
 
2013-01-08 06:40:40 PM

Old Coot:
I grew up with Dave, but he's been doing the same show for a decade, now.


Same here. I started watching Dave in the days of Larry (Bud) Melman, Velcro Suit, Monkey Cam and the unannounced visits to GE. I'd love to re-watch some of those old shows. I stopped watching Dave about 4 years ago (right around the time of the Joaquin Phoenix stupidity). He was constantly coming off as a cranky old man and his monologue was becoming painful to watch... it was like watching Basil Fawlty digging himself into a self-indungent hole night after night.

Then I discovered Craig Ferguson and haven't watched Dave since. Holy crap... I was hooked for good when I saw a Sid the Rabbit swearing at the screen for 5 minutes.
 
2013-01-08 07:21:22 PM
Someone cut off Jay's Slauson.
 
2013-01-08 08:36:42 PM
With 3.8 million viewers on average, he's nearly 2x Letterman's viewers. GET THE HINT KIMMEL. He's kicking everybody's proverbial butts and your weed induced rant can't stop it.
 
2013-01-08 11:06:26 PM
www.fanpop.com

Comedy isn't funny anymore...You've got some big chinned slob reading typos from the Palookaville Post! Well, here's a headline for ya. Nobody cares!

//hot
 
2013-01-08 11:34:29 PM

JerseyTim: Do any of the streaming sites have old Carson episodes? I'd watch a few.


Watch THE appearance of Dave on The Tonight Show in 1991 after NBC announced that Jay was getting the show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLQwp-kTXEg

Johnny: "How pissed are you?"
 
2013-01-09 01:04:37 AM

mechgreg: As Leno's fans start to become the type of people who have dinner at 4pm and are in bed by 7pm


"become"
 
2013-01-09 07:32:25 AM
IIRC, Leno wanted to let Conan have the Tonight Show, but NBC didn't want to let him out of his contract. So why do people hate on Leno over that mess instead of the NBC execs? Is it because they see Leno as an easier target?

And let's not forget that Leno took a $15 Million pay cut last year to prevent a number of fellow staff being let go
 
2013-01-09 08:33:55 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: IIRC, Leno wanted to let Conan have the Tonight Show, but NBC didn't want to let him out of his contract.


Where did you read that? From everything I read in 2009 when the transition from Leno to Conan was about to happen, Leno did not want to go and felt he was forced into retirement (even though he was getting respectable ratings at the time). He basically told NBC that if they didn't keep him he would go to ABC because he didn't care who he worked for and the drive from his house to the ABC studios was just as far as the drive from his house to the NBC studios. NBC realized that an ABC 1130 Jay Leno Show, plus Letterman on CBS would have meant the tonight show would have gone from 1st in the ratings to 3rd. Leno was a workaholic and didn't want to do anything but a nightly talk show, so this is why they offered him the 10pm Jay Leno show. When Conan took over the tonight show his ratings were respectable (not great but not terrible, and competitive with the 18-49 demo that advertisers care about). Leno at 10 got terrible ratings and was killing the late local news for NBC affiliates. These affiliates told NBC they were considering dropping the Leno show, which would have been very bad for NBC.

So they decided to cancel Jay's show but they looked at his contract and realized that best case scenario they cancel the show and fire Jay they would be out 50 million dollars (and then he goes to another network). Jay's contract said they must play his show for I think 4 years at 10 pm, so worst case scenario a judge orders them to uphold the contract and play his show. They tried to do a 1/2 hour Jay Leno show at 1130 (with Tonight Show starting at midnight). Leno would have accepted that, but Conan wasn't having it. His people reviewed his contract and found a possible out and NBC realized the only options would be to fire Jay or let Conan go. Letting Conan go only cost 30 million (and since 30 million is less than 50 million) so they went with that choice.

So I guess you could say Leno wanted to give up the tonight show, But at the same time, he basically said if you fire me, I will put on a show that runs against you and I will beat you.,

Honestly I don't know why they keep just blindly renewing Leno's contract. I mean sure he does ok in the ratings (but not with the younger demos), but it is not at all sustainable. I mean the dude is in his 60's and they have no plans to replace him should he finally decide to retire or should anything happen to him.
 
2013-01-09 09:32:13 AM

mechgreg: So they decided to cancel Jay's show but they looked at his contract and realized that best case scenario they cancel the show and fire Jay they would be out 50 million dollars (and then he goes to another network). Jay's contract said they must play his show for I think 4 years at 10 pm, so worst case scenario a judge orders them to uphold the contract and play his show. They tried to do a 1/2 hour Jay Leno show at 1130 (with Tonight Show starting at midnight). Leno would have accepted that, but Conan wasn't having it. His people reviewed his contract and found a possible out and NBC realized the only options would be to fire Jay or let Conan go. Letting Conan go only cost 30 million (and since 30 million is less than 50 million) so they went with that choice.

So I guess you could say Leno wanted to give up the tonight show, But at the same time, he basically said if you fire me, I will put on a show that runs against you and I will beat you.,


That's what I mean. It was NBC execs who made the decision to fire Conan and keep Leno, but people hate on Leno instead of the NBC execs.
 
2013-01-09 09:39:43 AM

mechgreg: So I guess you could say Leno wanted to give up the tonight show, But at the same time, he basically said if you fire me, I will put on a show that runs against you and I will beat you.,


You hold it against the guy for wanting to work in his profession...and being capable to draw more viewers than your hero? That's pretty lame.

/dont watch either.
 
2013-01-09 09:45:23 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: mechgreg: So they decided to cancel Jay's show but they looked at his contract and realized that best case scenario they cancel the show and fire Jay they would be out 50 million dollars (and then he goes to another network). Jay's contract said they must play his show for I think 4 years at 10 pm, so worst case scenario a judge orders them to uphold the contract and play his show. They tried to do a 1/2 hour Jay Leno show at 1130 (with Tonight Show starting at midnight). Leno would have accepted that, but Conan wasn't having it. His people reviewed his contract and found a possible out and NBC realized the only options would be to fire Jay or let Conan go. Letting Conan go only cost 30 million (and since 30 million is less than 50 million) so they went with that choice.

So I guess you could say Leno wanted to give up the tonight show, But at the same time, he basically said if you fire me, I will put on a show that runs against you and I will beat you.,

That's what I mean. It was NBC execs who made the decision to fire Conan and keep Leno, but people hate on Leno instead of the NBC execs.


I guess that is one way to look at it, and I agree that a ton of blame should go to the NBC execs. Who ever was responsible for allowing him to have that iron clad contract for his 10pm show deserves to never work in business again. If it wasn't for that stupid contract (although probably even with it too) I think they would have been better off just staying with the conan tonight show and showing Jay the door. Yes they would have felt some ratings hurt for a few years, but Leno isn't getting any younger and they are going to be in much more hurt when the day comes and Leno wants to retire and they don't have anyone lined up to take over. Although I think part of it was that the comcast deal was looming and they didn't want to do anything that would make them look bad right that minute. Sure Conan would have been the better choice for the future, but letting leno go to another network and having the Tonight Show be the #3 show would have been bad at that very moment.

That said considering how things turned out I often wonder if Conan regrets not just letting them move the tonight show to midnight (since I can't see a half hour Leno show being all that successful and lasting very long) since at least then he still would have been on network TV.
 
2013-01-09 10:24:21 AM

mechgreg:
That said considering how things turned out I often wonder if Conan regrets not just letting them move the tonight show to midnight (since I can't see a half hour Leno show being all that successful and lasting very long) since at least then he still would have been on network TV.


Knowing how Zucker and Ebersol were quick to bury Conan when the whole mess happen and seeing as they made excuses for the Big Jaw 10:00 PM Hour of Fail, I'm sure they would have found some way to push Conan out even if he had accepted Midnight.
 
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