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(Guardian)   Russian experiment suggests that a mission to Mars would be compromised by the crew's isolation and boredom. BONUS: Article includes picture of the experiment's ultra-realistic interior of a Mars-bound vessel   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 57
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2013-01-08 09:04:34 AM
I'm pretty sure I took a few trips to outer space in a basement that looked just like that.
 
2013-01-08 09:24:53 AM
Surely it is just a case of developing a psychological test to find appropriate astronauts, you could probably just go through a list of WoW players that raid at the highest level and don't weight 300+ lbs, and they will already have prepared and trained for the isolation and boredom.
 
2013-01-08 09:26:43 AM
That looks more like some 13 year-olds bedroom
 
2013-01-08 09:26:47 AM
It doesn't have to take 17 months to get to Mars and back. We could do it in half that time, or less, if were were willing to spend the money.
 
2013-01-08 09:34:51 AM

dittybopper: It doesn't have to take 17 months to get to Mars and back. We could do it in half that time, or less, if were were willing to spend the money.


You try living in a studio apartment with 4 dudes with just DVDs and Rockband to keep you entertained.

"Say it ain't So" by Weezer will be the only thing that haunts your broken psyche repeating like a skipping record by the time you reach the red planet.
 
2013-01-08 09:36:35 AM
That's why there needs to be a complement of sluts on board. And weed.
 
2013-01-08 09:38:07 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: That's why there needs to be a complement of sluts on board. And weed.



I know!

The solution seems pretty obvious, doesn't it?
 
2013-01-08 09:46:55 AM
Boredom, isolation, cramped spaces, with the potential for a sudden emergency that could kill you?

Simple: Recruit submariners.
 
2013-01-08 09:50:16 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-08 09:51:47 AM
Interstellar mission to Sirius B:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com


The bridge of the USS Enterprise-H:
www.duallservices.com

A crewman inspects a bulkhead inside a new prototype interstellar vessel:
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-08 09:53:24 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: That's why there needs to be a complement of sluts on board. And weed.


Send only the sluts, weed, and live cameras and there will be no problem with financing the trip.
 
2013-01-08 10:00:08 AM
don't they sleep in shifts on the iss?
so some are awake and some asleep
the article talked about radio delay
was that done in increments like would occur?
the lighting was controlled by them
that works well in a house but doesn"t stop s.a.d.
the guy living the 25 hour day is out of sync but was close to the 24.65 martian day
he would not be out of sync on mars then. but how long would we be on the planet?
this proves that most people are lazy.T.V. video games and no windows means little would get done.
and they got to play more computer games to test their alertness. thats planning
set it up like what would really happen.
 
2013-01-08 10:21:49 AM
This (along with the effects of constant exposure to radiation) are why a trip to Mars won't happen anytime in our generation.

Maybe, MAYBE if the crew were down to make it a "one way" trip. Even then, humans are temperamental, strange, emotional creatures. Chances are high someone will have a total meltdown 3/4 of the way there and start ripping wires and hitting switches like an old school telephone board operator, shouting, "what are they gonna do, arrest me?!"
 
2013-01-08 10:30:38 AM
Something tells me they didn't have "be an introvert" as the top requirement for their candidates.

Also, why did they only have 1 game? Can they not figure out a way to transfer a couple of gigs of data to a PS3 just... Oh, wait it was probably the damned DRM. "Sorry, that title isn't available for the Mars region at this time."
 
2013-01-08 10:36:01 AM

El Morro: Chances are high someone will have a total meltdown 3/4 of the way there and start ripping wires and hitting switches like an old school telephone board operator, shouting, "what are they gonna do, arrest me?!"


I doubt that. Any serious recruitment/training process would weed those sorts of people out. They'd be highly motivated to reach their goal, especially if they've just spent 6 months getting there and there is only 2 months left to go (17 month mission implies 8 months there, 8 months back, 1 month at Mars).
 
2013-01-08 10:41:54 AM
One thing to remember, is that this test wasn't really realistic: They didn't have the actual goal of getting to Mars. They knew they'd just be sitting in a room with the same people for 17 months. And note that they really didn't have to *MAINTAIN* the "spacecraft". Astronauts on real mission often have enough to do that they complain they don't have any free time, and I suspect that would be true on a real Mars mission.

At better way to test this would be with two missions that had a significant "break" in the middle: Perhaps a few days of "freedom" outside the ship collecting "samples", combined with a major party at the end before they go back in, to simulate the break and stimulation of achieving the goal of walking on Mars.
 
2013-01-08 10:42:42 AM
cache.io9.com
This research has been done before.
 
2013-01-08 10:48:41 AM
Some would do it just to get the "Mars Unlocked" achievement.
 
2013-01-08 10:51:26 AM
More testing is required...
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-08 10:56:46 AM

tbriggs: [cache.io9.com image 504x300]
This research has been done before.


We're not hitchhiking anymore. We're RIDING!
 
2013-01-08 11:14:52 AM
Did anyone think about taking a gander out the window every now and then?

www.oregonl5.org

I would find it hard to get bored of that view
 
2013-01-08 11:20:16 AM
"mission-critical tasks will be scheduled for the day"

Any mission would have some people awake at all times. If some people are time-shifted, that means other people don't have to stay up during their night. The 25-hour schedule is the human norm, but it gets reset daily by sunlight. It can be fixed.
 
2013-01-08 11:30:52 AM

natazha: "mission-critical tasks will be scheduled for the day"

Any mission would have some people awake at all times. If some people are time-shifted, that means other people don't have to stay up during their night. The 25-hour schedule is the human norm, but it gets reset daily by sunlight. It can be fixed.


I see a section of the craft lit up with artificial sun (work section), and a section that is dark (entertainment, rest, sleep). Worker shifts move between the sections with an "airlock" in between that would simulate a gradual increase/decrease in light levels (for dusk/dawn).

Also, the crew would consist of 20 men, 10 women, and a panther.
 
2013-01-08 11:52:23 AM
Huh. You don't hear about these problems from people who spend six months on the ISS, where they have actual work to do all the time... just like you would on a real Mars mission.
 
2013-01-08 12:00:20 PM
Just need to find the right people for that kind of mission. WoW players would love it except for the time they would have to do actual work. The article made it sound like they just sat around the whole time even with the few simulated emergencies. I can't believe an actual mission wouldn't have enough work to keep people occupied and there sure as hell would be more to entertain people in the downtime besides guitar hero.
 
2013-01-08 12:00:33 PM
theoldgiftshop.com
 
2013-01-08 12:00:59 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: That's why there needs to be a complement of sluts on board. And weed.


Meh, just send a bunch of 35-45 year old IT cube farm workers. Those guys have all ready had their spirits broken and are used to sitting in front of a screen for hours on end bored out of their minds.
 
2013-01-08 12:01:27 PM
I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously
 
2013-01-08 12:05:21 PM

Lothar IB: WoW players would love it


Not really, the lag would be terrible...
 
2013-01-08 12:13:20 PM
All this really tells us is that on a manned mission to mars human comforts need to take up a bigger percentage of the payload than they would on a manned mission to the moon or the ISS. Thats really not much of a revelation.
 
2013-01-08 12:39:40 PM

KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously


Really not a bad idea. Definitely would want to sterilize every astronaut before the mission anyway. Only problem is when that sexual partnership becomes romantic and that ultimately breaks down because you've been stuck together and you've heard ALLL their stories and are frankly sick of their crap.
 
2013-01-08 12:41:38 PM

tbriggs: [cache.io9.com image 504x300]
This research has been done before.


Beaten to it.
Gonna post anyway :)

i36.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-08 12:51:16 PM

KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously


Yeah, that works. Until they go crazy and the doctor cuts another mans baby out of his conscious wife, killing her then himself. The baby is left to be raised by martians and then comes back to earth and founds a new religion. He is eventually torn apart by an angry mob. Yeah real good plan there.
 
2013-01-08 12:56:46 PM

Egoy3k: All this really tells us is that on a manned mission to mars human comforts need to take up a bigger percentage of the payload than they would on a manned mission to the moon or the ISS. Thats really not much of a revelation.


So lots of porn and lube.
 
2013-01-08 01:02:51 PM
"Expected 2001: a space odyssey, got a dutch frat house."
 
2013-01-08 01:27:49 PM

miniflea: KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously

Yeah, that works. Until they go crazy and the doctor cuts another mans baby out of his conscious wife, killing her then himself. The baby is left to be raised by martians and then comes back to earth and founds a new religion. He is eventually torn apart by an angry mob. Yeah real good plan there.


Thou art God.
 
2013-01-08 01:31:54 PM
images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org

Dr. Forester solved that problem years ago.
 
2013-01-08 01:33:28 PM

Spindle: KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously

Really not a bad idea. Definitely would want to sterilize every astronaut before the mission anyway. Only problem is when that sexual partnership becomes romantic and that ultimately breaks down because you've been stuck together and you've heard ALLL their stories and are frankly sick of their crap.


I'd say then romance wouldn't be factored in (although I don't know how you'd prevent it if that developed) but they'd go into it knowing they was exclusive partners and it was only to relieve sexual tension and boredom... other option would be a robot of some kind that takes over this role, but i think the former idea would be more fun for them and help with that mental isolation they'd be going through.

dittybopper: Yeah, that works. Until they go crazy and the doctor cuts another mans baby out of his conscious wife, killing her then himself. The baby is left to be raised by martians and then comes back to earth and founds a new religion. He is eventually torn apart by an angry mob. Yeah real good plan there.

Thou art God.


Well, clearly everyone would be screened for STDs, allergies, etc. and put on those birth control shots/pills/whatever that prevents pregnancy for like 5 years or something... You're also talking a mission some 10-15 year from now, so a lot of these problems might get resolved with technology.
 
2013-01-08 01:48:08 PM

dittybopper: miniflea: KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously

Yeah, that works. Until they go crazy and the doctor cuts another mans baby out of his conscious wife, killing her then himself. The baby is left to be raised by martians and then comes back to earth and founds a new religion. He is eventually torn apart by an angry mob. Yeah real good plan there.

Thou art God.


I grok.

KellyX: it was only to relieve sexual tension and boredom...


2.bp.blogspot.com

They just called it recreation.
 
2013-01-08 01:50:19 PM

KellyX: dittybopper: Yeah, that works. Until they go crazy and the doctor cuts another mans baby out of his conscious wife, killing her then himself. The baby is left to be raised by martians and then comes back to earth and founds a new religion. He is eventually torn apart by an angry mob. Yeah real good plan there.

Thou art God.

Well, clearly everyone would be screened for STDs, allergies, etc. and put on those birth control shots/pills/whatever that prevents pregnancy for like 5 years or something... You're also talking a mission some 10-15 year from now, so a lot of these problems might get resolved with technology.


That zooming sound you hear is the joke doing a low pass over your cranium.
 
2013-01-08 02:10:37 PM
The Mars Society has a research station more than one hundred miles North of Resolute on Devon Island in the Canadian High Arctic. It looks pretty realistic on the outside, although I haven't seen much of the inside.

Link to Wikipedia article

The High Arctic has several advantages as a simulation of Mars:  1) it is very cold; 2) it is dry; 3) it is remote and virtually unpopulated; 4) the geology is not unlike Mars and in the dark season, it doesn't get a lot of light which would simulate Mars' dim distant Sun.

All in all it is a good simulation, although even the Russian simulation captures one of the main features of interplanetary travel, namely being stuck in a nasty basement room with four or five guys for six months without so much as a window to look out of.

In reality, a Mars craft might add some dangers and trials of its own. For one thing, unless it was insulated or built into an asteroid, the craft would be exposed to cosmic rays and solar radiation, which, as we recently learned, might cause Alzeihemer's or similar maladies. The hull of a craft light enough to launch into space from the ground or assemble in orbit around the Earth or Moon would not protect astronauts from radiation or micro-meteorites. You'd need to cover the craft with synthetic stone or concrete, or else mine an asteroid and then accelerate it slowly to high speeds.

In short, this is a much bigger job than sailing around the world alone.

Also, some scientists think that it would save a lot of money and effort if the volunteers were willing to make a one way trip (as in die there). It would cost untold billions a year to keep them alive until a large enough Mars colony was created to allow the colonists to be essentially independent of Earth. It takes a special kind of space nut to volunteer for a one-way suicide mission, but you could probably gather together a crew if you weren't too picky on qualifications.

But a real Mars mission needs to include a real good surgeon, maybe a psychiatrist, and several different kinds of scientists, all super-qualified and all super-trained and super-dedicated to the mission.

It won't be a space opera unless you mean the kind of opera where everybody is waiving magical swords around and Götterdämmerung is going on in the background.
 
2013-01-08 02:12:26 PM

dittybopper: KellyX: dittybopper: Yeah, that works. Until they go crazy and the doctor cuts another mans baby out of his conscious wife, killing her then himself. The baby is left to be raised by martians and then comes back to earth and founds a new religion. He is eventually torn apart by an angry mob. Yeah real good plan there.

Thou art God.

Well, clearly everyone would be screened for STDs, allergies, etc. and put on those birth control shots/pills/whatever that prevents pregnancy for like 5 years or something... You're also talking a mission some 10-15 year from now, so a lot of these problems might get resolved with technology.

That zooming sound you hear is the joke doing a low pass over your cranium.


Never read it... Guess I thought this was serious comment cause this are serious KellyX
 
2013-01-08 02:13:10 PM

KellyX: Spindle: KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously

Really not a bad idea. Definitely would want to sterilize every astronaut before the mission anyway. Only problem is when that sexual partnership becomes romantic and that ultimately breaks down because you've been stuck together and you've heard ALLL their stories and are frankly sick of their crap.

I'd say then romance wouldn't be factored in (although I don't know how you'd prevent it if that developed) but they'd go into it knowing they was exclusive partners and it was only to relieve sexual tension and boredom... other option would be a robot of some kind that takes over this role, but i think the former idea would be more fun for them and help with that mental isolation they'd be going through.


How about this?
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-08 02:15:40 PM

StoPPeRmobile: KellyX: Spindle: KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously

Really not a bad idea. Definitely would want to sterilize every astronaut before the mission anyway. Only problem is when that sexual partnership becomes romantic and that ultimately breaks down because you've been stuck together and you've heard ALLL their stories and are frankly sick of their crap.

I'd say then romance wouldn't be factored in (although I don't know how you'd prevent it if that developed) but they'd go into it knowing they was exclusive partners and it was only to relieve sexual tension and boredom... other option would be a robot of some kind that takes over this role, but i think the former idea would be more fun for them and help with that mental isolation they'd be going through.

How about this?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x702]


CRAIGS LIST POST:

WANTED: Astronauts willing to tolerate isolation for up to 18-22 months with same 6-8 people... Swingers a plus! Please send pictures, include "NASA Swingers" in subject line... Serious enquirers only, do not want to spend weeks swapping e-mails and pictures!
 
2013-01-08 02:31:08 PM

KellyX: StoPPeRmobile: KellyX: Spindle: KellyX: I say pair up one female and one male per each crew member, both of them qualified to do the job, but basically they're sexual partners too, not necessarily romantic, but as a way of relaxing and burning off stress.

/seriously

Really not a bad idea. Definitely would want to sterilize every astronaut before the mission anyway. Only problem is when that sexual partnership becomes romantic and that ultimately breaks down because you've been stuck together and you've heard ALLL their stories and are frankly sick of their crap.

I'd say then romance wouldn't be factored in (although I don't know how you'd prevent it if that developed) but they'd go into it knowing they was exclusive partners and it was only to relieve sexual tension and boredom... other option would be a robot of some kind that takes over this role, but i think the former idea would be more fun for them and help with that mental isolation they'd be going through.

How about this?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x702]

CRAIGS LIST POST:

WANTED: Astronauts willing to tolerate isolation for up to 18-22 months with same 6-8 people... Swingers a plus! Please send pictures, include "NASA Swingers" in subject line... Serious enquirers only, do not want to spend weeks swapping e-mails and pictures!


lol
 
2013-01-08 02:36:06 PM

KellyX: Never read it... Guess I thought this was serious comment cause this are serious KellyX


It was kind of detailed for some Farker to have come up with it on his own.

But hey, I've missed cultural references myself, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.
 
2013-01-08 03:20:15 PM
each male would have to take his wife of 5 years
long enough to nag but not too long to let go of
I WANT OUR POD AS CLEAN AS THEIRS!!
 
2013-01-08 03:56:28 PM
I wonder if some of them, you know, went gay.

Cosmo1: Hey, Yuri, did you like, you know, ever um, do it with, like, another guy?

Yuri: Nyet!!!! And it's going to stay that way!!!!!

Cosmo1: Sigh, this is going to be one long, boring mission!!

Yuri: And stop looking at me like that!!!
 
2013-01-08 05:12:40 PM

gmoney101: Did anyone think about taking a gander out the window every now and then?

[www.oregonl5.org image 640x420]

I would find it hard to get bored of that view


That and the notion of being the first human to step foot on another planet would be plenty of motivation, enough to ignore your podmates' body stink and annoying habits.
 
2013-01-08 06:37:43 PM
Really, all these issues come down to the same fundamental problem - it's just way too expensive to put shiat into space. Many of the issues of a mars mission would be relatively easily solved if increasing the size and mass of the ship wasn't such a barrier.

The simplest way to shield against radiation just involves a hefty enough shell of one or another suitable material on the outside of the ship, for example - it's just infeasible because of the sheer mass and bulk involved. Similarly, the psychological issues can be at least partially alleviated by simply increasing the size of the vehicle and crew - more people to interact with and more space to move around in, it's just impractical (again) to build a big enough ship.

If we just had a farking space elevator we could go to mars in 5 years with purely existing tech, simply because it'd become practical to lift large quantities of stuff into space.
 
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