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(My Fox Philly)   Not news: Man dies and family has a service. News: Local church holds a second service weeks later that family doesn't know about. Fark: Second service prominently asks for money for the local church "youth fund"   (myfoxphilly.com) divider line 65
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2013-01-07 11:47:05 PM  
Ah, yes. The fund churches use to lure youths with candy. Then fark them in the butt.
 
2013-01-08 12:07:23 AM  
I thought Mormons had the market cornered on creepy post-death rituals..
 
2013-01-08 12:17:36 AM  
Glad I watched the video.  Pastor says, "It's not about the money," so why is there a collection plate with a sign that reads "Memorial Gifts" at the church's memorial service?

Reporter closes by saying that the pastor offered to give the money to the family, but the family hasn't heard any such offer yet.

This preacher is either really stupid or really evil.
 
2013-01-08 12:24:28 AM  
BarkingUnicorn:
This preacher is either really stupid or really evil.

So... you're saying he's a typical religious leader then?
 
2013-01-08 12:26:06 AM  
1. Whenever someone says "It's not about the money", you can bet your bottom dollar that it is most certainly ALL about the money.

2. Whenever someone says "It's what [Dead Person] would have wanted", you can bet your entire winnings from #1 that Dead Person never once mentioned it, and that it was, in fact, the absolute furthest thing from his or her mind.

3. Church.  Money-grubbing Con-artist trifecta complete.
 
2013-01-08 12:34:29 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Glad I watched the video.  Pastor says, "It's not about the money," so why is there a collection plate with a sign that reads "Memorial Gifts" at the church's memorial service?

Reporter closes by saying that the pastor offered to give the money to the family, but the family hasn't heard any such offer yet.

This preacher is either really stupid or really evil.


Not necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
2013-01-08 01:22:45 AM  
So an old church member asks the church to have a memorial donation drive when he dies, and his family gets upset about it? Weird.
 
2013-01-08 01:46:10 AM  
I don't care. Neither does the dead guy.
 
2013-01-08 01:51:33 AM  
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-08 01:56:10 AM  
"...We raised lots of funds at Philly guy's waaaaaake!!"
 
2013-01-08 01:56:53 AM  

illannoyin: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 500x521]


Unfortunately that's not hard
 
2013-01-08 02:00:07 AM  
It must be a miscommunication. No man of the cloth would lie about such a thing.
 
2013-01-08 02:04:44 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: This preacher is either really stupid or really evil.


Can't it be both?
 
2013-01-08 02:05:36 AM  

Dallymo: BarkingUnicorn: Glad I watched the video.  Pastor says, "It's not about the money," so why is there a collection plate with a sign that reads "Memorial Gifts" at the church's memorial service?

Reporter closes by saying that the pastor offered to give the money to the family, but the family hasn't heard any such offer yet.

This preacher is either really stupid or really evil.

Not necessarily mutually exclusive.


Note to self: read thread before commenting. :-(
 
2013-01-08 02:11:32 AM  
Baptist, what a surprise!
 
2013-01-08 02:16:20 AM  
I need to claim my house as a church to avoid paying taxes. Also "request" donations of 10% of the net income to members ...but there is no obligation to donate. You will do it because you care about the church and not because you are being guilt into doing so ...or You'll just burn in hell for eternity. Your choice.

Nothing evil about churches at all, you cynical bastards. :)
 
2013-01-08 02:29:20 AM  
The problem, according to Bonner's family who claims power of attorney

Uh, power of attorney ends the moment someone dies. Did the article mean personal representative of his estate?

/At least in Oregon that's how it works
 
2013-01-08 02:30:09 AM  
Why do I get the distinct impression that he needs the money to pay for something less than legal?

Hookers, drugs, gambling debts or paying off the parents of his "Favourite" youths: Place your bets!

/Yes, I'm cynical.
//We are talking about a Baptist preacher here.
 
2013-01-08 02:40:35 AM  
That stiff one is sure getting serviced!
 
2013-01-08 02:40:42 AM  
Church raises money using less than ethical methods. It's not news; it's Rick Romero reporting.
 
2013-01-08 02:56:22 AM  

illannoyin: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 500x521]


Killing peasants in third world countries?
 
2013-01-08 03:10:00 AM  
Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?
 
2013-01-08 03:15:23 AM  
Brain melting....Christians behaving poorly and a Fox affiliate breaking the story...So many comments I want to make but they've all raced to the front of my head at the same time and it's just a massive, ugly pileup....Oh the carnage...
 
2013-01-08 03:28:13 AM  
How do you plan an uncle? Surely in most cases, they're already there when you're born.

Vega.: The problem, according to Bonner's family who claims power of attorney

Uh, power of attorney ends the moment someone dies. Did the article mean personal representative of his estate?

/At least in Oregon that's how it works


I have so many clients who don't understand this, and get really offended when they are told that it doesn't matter that they are the dead person's spouse of 40 years, or child, or whatever, the person is dead, the only person who holds authority now is the Executor of the Estate. Often that's the spouse, but you can't just assume. Present the Will, money-grubber, then we'll talk.

/It's the worst when all the children are named Executors
//Family is never more venal than when they're after a dead person's money
///They always claim it's "not about the money"
 
2013-01-08 03:31:42 AM  

illannoyin: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 500x521]


So breath until the day I die?

On the article I wouldn't trust a clergyman as far as the youngest altar boy can throw him.
 
2013-01-08 04:04:39 AM  
Harvey Pitnik
 
2013-01-08 04:09:49 AM  
Continuing my lifelong practice of hating all things religious.  I like getting solid reasons for that hatred.

FARK you religious people.
 
2013-01-08 04:14:41 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So an old church member asks the church to have a memorial donation drive when he dies, and his family gets upset about it? Weird.


Do you have any facts to back up this assertion?
 
2013-01-08 04:15:05 AM  
article headline: Grieving Family Shocked To Learn Of Second Service For Uncle They Never Planned

So the uncle was an "accident" who entered the world after one or more of his siblings had already become a parent? Depending on the type of service performed, if Grandma wasn't aware of the second go-'round and was therefore unable to take precautions, it's possible that an "oops" could result. Then again, if the service produced an unplanned uncle, it probably involved something other than (or in addition to) "shock[ing]"...

/so much material
 
2013-01-08 04:31:27 AM  
bleh, if_i_really_have_to got to the unplanned-uncle joke first
 
2013-01-08 04:47:49 AM  

Mirrorz: Also "request" donations of 10% of the net income to members


Uh, according to the baptist church I went to when I was a teen, it's 10% of gross, not net. The preachers made sure to work that into a whole sermon about how we weren't giving them enough.
 
2013-01-08 05:16:22 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Glad I watched the video.  Pastor says, "It's not about the money," so why is there a collection plate with a sign that reads "Memorial Gifts" at the church's memorial service?

Reporter closes by saying that the pastor offered to give the money to the family, but the family hasn't heard any such offer yet.

This preacher is either really stupid or really evil.


Strong possibility the Mass was held due to a request card being turned in by a parishioner. Why it wasn't more timely and why it was held without the family, that's interesting.

As a little Kritter I was bored to tears in church. Didn't understand Latin. I did understand the three or so collections which were in English. In fairness, they were for different purposes - even though one could denote what their donation was to be earmarked for in the collection envelope the first time around.
 
2013-01-08 06:26:39 AM  
Youth Fund?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-08 06:58:50 AM  

Markus D: Youth Fund?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 375x375]


Yes, goddammmmitttt! Youth fund. Somebody has to pay to keep the little buggers from tattling.
 
2013-01-08 07:16:16 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: How do you plan an uncle? Surely in most cases, they're already there when you're born.

Vega.: The problem, according to Bonner's family who claims power of attorney

Uh, power of attorney ends the moment someone dies. Did the article mean personal representative of his estate?

/At least in Oregon that's how it works

I have so many clients who don't understand this, and get really offended when they are told that it doesn't matter that they are the dead person's spouse of 40 years, or child, or whatever, the person is dead, the only person who holds authority now is the Executor of the Estate. Often that's the spouse, but you can't just assume. Present the Will, money-grubber, then we'll talk.

/It's the worst when all the children are named Executors
//Family is never more venal than when they're after a dead person's money
///They always claim it's "not about the money"


No. It's about exacting revenge on the relatives for all the crap they caused. (Been there and done that on all three sides of the argument)
 
2013-01-08 07:17:57 AM  

Spartan_Manhandler: Mirrorz: Also "request" donations of 10% of the net income to members

Uh, according to the baptist church I went to when I was a teen, it's 10% of gross, not net. The preachers made sure to work that into a whole sermon about how we weren't giving them enough.


Yep. Gets put into a sermon every September or October when budgets are being formed.
 
2013-01-08 07:38:24 AM  

Another Government Employee: Spartan_Manhandler: Mirrorz: Also "request" donations of 10% of the net income to members

Uh, according to the baptist church I went to when I was a teen, it's 10% of gross, not net. The preachers made sure to work that into a whole sermon about how we weren't giving them enough.

Yep. Gets put into a sermon every September or October when budgets are being formed.


I let a girlfriend drag me to a Baptist megachurch in Florida once. I got to listen to an hour long "sermon" about how the congregation needs to donate more, how it is ungodly to worry about the pastor's big house and fleet of expensive cars, and how the pastor personally knows "Brother Deon Sanders". It was almost enough to make me miss the boring Lutheran services of my youth. Almost.
 
2013-01-08 07:42:14 AM  

Another Government Employee: if_i_really_have_to: How do you plan an uncle? Surely in most cases, they're already there when you're born.

Vega.: The problem, according to Bonner's family who claims power of attorney

Uh, power of attorney ends the moment someone dies. Did the article mean personal representative of his estate?

/At least in Oregon that's how it works

I have so many clients who don't understand this, and get really offended when they are told that it doesn't matter that they are the dead person's spouse of 40 years, or child, or whatever, the person is dead, the only person who holds authority now is the Executor of the Estate. Often that's the spouse, but you can't just assume. Present the Will, money-grubber, then we'll talk.

/It's the worst when all the children are named Executors
//Family is never more venal than when they're after a dead person's money
///They always claim it's "not about the money"

No. It's about exacting revenge on the relatives for all the crap they caused. (Been there and done that on all three sides of the argument)


You've been the executor of an estate, not the executor of an estate, and the person who died?
 
2013-01-08 07:47:44 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Ah, yes. The fund churches use to lure youths with candy. Then fark them in the butt.


You're thinking Catholics, not Baptists.
 
2013-01-08 07:54:28 AM  

LtDarkstar: Sock Ruh Tease: Ah, yes. The fund churches use to lure youths with candy. Then fark them in the butt.

You're thinking Catholics, not Baptists.


Not to be confused with Methodists, who are known for excellent covered dish dinners.

Mmmmm fried chicken, jello molds, and red velvet cake. So hungry...
 
2013-01-08 08:03:03 AM  

Aces and Eights: LtDarkstar: Sock Ruh Tease: Ah, yes. The fund churches use to lure youths with candy. Then fark them in the butt.

You're thinking Catholics, not Baptists.

Not to be confused with Methodists, who are known for excellent covered dish dinners.

Mmmmm fried chicken, jello molds, and red velvet cake. So hungry...


You know that if you're Methodist, you can go to hell for letting the crabgrass seed.
 
2013-01-08 08:10:14 AM  

jmr61: Continuing my lifelong practice of hating all things religious.  I like getting solid reasons for that hatred.

FARK you religious people.


Must be nice for your self-esteem to consider the overwhelming majority of humanity to be so far beneath you.
 
2013-01-08 08:23:54 AM  
Religion; making people hate each other since before One.
 
2013-01-08 08:41:56 AM  
"This service brought to you by Fishy Joe's Walrus Juice."

"Ride the walrus."
 
2013-01-08 08:45:34 AM  

Intoxoman: Baptist, what a surprise!


While I regard Baptists as the worst in terms of bigotry and dinosaur-riding Jesus, it's not as though they have the market cornered on general bullsh*t like this.
 
2013-01-08 08:54:29 AM  

Son of Thunder: jmr61: Continuing my lifelong practice of hating all things religious.  I like getting solid reasons for that hatred.

FARK you religious people.

Must be nice for your self-esteem to consider the overwhelming majority of humanity to be so far beneath you.


It's more of a sadness for these morons.
 
2013-01-08 09:04:02 AM  

2DShooter: bleh, if_i_really_have_to got to the unplanned-uncle joke first


If it's any consolation, Mrs. Nuisance's grandmother adopted a baby girl when Mrs. Nuisance was in her late twenties. So, she has an aunt that was born more than two decades after her own birth.

So, it can happen....

KrispyKritter: Strong possibility the Mass was held due to a request card being turned in by a parishioner.


Highly unlikely, considering the denomination.
PS: Not much Latin in Baptist churches, you know.
 
2013-01-08 09:16:36 AM  

wallywam1: Harvey Pitnik


And in his last moments, I looked into his eyes and said those three special words...

"Sign the will."
 
2013-01-08 09:20:35 AM  
"The problem, according to Bonner's family who claims power of attorney, is that they didn't know about the service and didn't authorize any donations."

What are the odds said memorial service was actually something their UNCLE had wanted and seeing as they weren't direct family of his had not been informed?
When my grandmother passed we had one family service and then her church had a separate service the next week. Donations are common at this type of thing.
 
2013-01-08 09:45:44 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Why do I get the distinct impression that he needs the money to pay for something less than legal?

Hookers, drugs, gambling debts or paying off the parents of his "Favourite" youths: Place your bets!

/Yes, I'm cynical.
//We are talking about a Baptist preacher here.


I don't trust any of them and it pisses me off that they get special consideration and tax exemptions.
 
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