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2013-01-07 08:41:55 PM  
Isn't it ironic?
 
2013-01-07 08:44:28 PM  
Happiness & Cyanide
 
2013-01-07 08:53:17 PM  
oh, and subby, he didn't die the day after 'winning' the lottery. he died the day after the state issued him his check.

He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.

better article
 
2013-01-07 08:57:07 PM  
Next time, he'll hire a taster.
 
2013-01-07 09:10:49 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Isn't it ironic?


It's like goin' crazy when you're already nuts.
 
2013-01-07 09:10:51 PM  
To be poisoned
 
2013-01-07 09:11:43 PM  
...isn't new.
 
2013-01-07 09:11:45 PM  
First rule of winning the lotto: Don't tell the wife!
 
2013-01-07 09:12:07 PM  
Follow the money
 
2013-01-07 09:12:36 PM  
Did he just turn 98?
 
2013-01-07 09:12:36 PM  

Indubitably: ...isn't new.


It's 42.
 
2013-01-07 09:14:19 PM  
He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.

/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
 
2013-01-07 09:16:51 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Isn't it ironic?


It's like RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNN on your wedding day!
 
2013-01-07 09:17:23 PM  
If ever there was a place where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, this was it. Disappointing, subby.
 
2013-01-07 09:17:52 PM  
FTFA: The coroner initially determined Khan died of natural causes, but family members expressed concerns and the coroner investigated further, The Tribune reported.
Autopsy results came back in December showing fatal levels of cyanide in Khan's body, the paper said, and his death how now been deemed a murder.


Sounds like a case for Gil and the former stripper.
 
2013-01-07 09:18:40 PM  

calbert: He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.


I like how the coroner at first said it was natural causes. Um, yeah sparky let's rub two brain cells together and try and figure out why that's probably not the case.
 
2013-01-07 09:18:53 PM  

skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.

/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!


yeah, when he got the ticket, he was -2 dollars and afterward; he had +424,447.60 dollars. What a gyp!
 
2013-01-07 09:23:56 PM  
Sources told the Tribune Khan's recent cash windfall hasn't been ruled out as a motive for his murder.

Those sources sound slanted.
Follow the money.
 
2013-01-07 09:24:09 PM  
Can you just get cyanide?
 
2013-01-07 09:25:49 PM  

lelio: I like how the coroner at first said it was natural causes. Um, yeah sparky let's rub two brain cells together and try and figure out why that's probably not the case.


Maybe we should check his bank account for any sudden huge deposits.
 
2013-01-07 09:25:52 PM  
FTA:Sources told the Tribune Khan's recent cash windfall hasn't been ruled out as a motive for his murder.

I assume their sources are everyone.
 
2013-01-07 09:25:58 PM  
"It's pretty unusual," said Cook County Medical Examiner Stephen Cina, commenting on the rarity of cyanide poisonings."

No sh*t, Sherlock.
I'd be surprised if the Wife is innocent.
 
2013-01-07 09:29:43 PM  
Did he live next to Dow chemical?
 
2013-01-07 09:31:21 PM  

Girion47: Did he live next to Dow chemical?

To Dow

 
2013-01-07 09:33:08 PM  

Indubitably: Girion47: Did he live next to Dow chemical?

To Dow


JK, chemical-Giant, purveyor of plastic and corn.

We joke.

*)
 
2013-01-07 09:40:08 PM  
I wouldn't call it unlucky; It's not like this was up to chance.
 
2013-01-07 09:42:38 PM  

ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?


Absolutely. And then you put it into a jagged little pill.
 
2013-01-07 09:43:47 PM  
I hope he didn't activate the genesis device before he died.

/I need warp speed in three minutes or we're all dead.
 
2013-01-07 09:44:54 PM  

lelio: calbert: He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.

I like how the coroner at first said it was natural causes. Um, yeah sparky let's rub two brain cells together and try and figure out why that's probably not the case.


Exposure to cyanide will naturally cause an individual to die.
 
2013-01-07 09:46:46 PM  

number8: If ever there was a place where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, this was it. Disappointing, subby.


I submitted this with the ironic tag and a much better headline.

*squinty, hostile eyes @ those responsible
//you know who you are
 
2013-01-07 09:51:30 PM  

ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?


$42 on Amazon. Not sure if this is the right stuff, though.

Silver Potassium Cyanide or SPC or Salt Silver or Powder Silver 10 Gram

The product description made my head hurt.
 
2013-01-07 09:52:49 PM  
Ironically, his favorite web comic? Cyanide & Happiness
 
2013-01-07 09:55:33 PM  

skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.


That was only partly because of taxes. He accepted a smaller amount by getting a lumpsum rather than installments.
 
2013-01-07 09:56:52 PM  

lelio: calbert: He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.

I like how the coroner at first said it was natural causes. Um, yeah sparky let's rub two brain cells together and try and figure out why that's probably not the case.


The coroner might not have been aware that he was dissecting a lottory winner. They look like normal humans you know.
 
2013-01-07 10:02:48 PM  
spawn73 is smart.
 
2013-01-07 10:05:39 PM  
Aren't most poisonings in Chicago from lead injections? Maybe Hizzonor Rahm a Lahm a Ding Dong should get on the stick and start banning cyanide.
 
2013-01-07 10:06:14 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.

/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

yeah, when he got the ticket, he was -2 dollars and afterward; he had +424,447.60 dollars. What a gyp!


So someone tells you, you've won a million dollars but then you're with getting less than half? He wins a million, but then they only give him $90,000 but that's fine because he's 90,000 richer? They might as well just give him 500 bucks and tell him to fark off, the way you look at it. He five hundred dollars richer so he's GTG!
 
2013-01-07 10:08:46 PM  

AbbeySomeone: number8: If ever there was a place where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, this was it. Disappointing, subby.

I submitted this with the ironic tag and a much better headline.

*squinty, hostile eyes @ those responsible
//you know who you are


This one gets green-lit AND there was a suitable replacement in the Queue? For shame admins, for shame.
 
2013-01-07 10:11:49 PM  
All this for just 600 grand. Even if it were for the full million it still would be retarded.
 
2013-01-07 10:12:31 PM  
natural causes...checks.....yep chicago...OK
 
2013-01-07 10:12:34 PM  
If he'd taken the annuity option, he might be alive today. Let that be a lesson for us all.
 
2013-01-07 10:19:52 PM  

skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.
/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!


It's not like it sucks to be the winner either though; that's $500,000 he didn't have before.
 
2013-01-07 10:22:05 PM  
www.bigbadbob113.com

Sounds like karma got to him.
 
2013-01-07 10:23:30 PM  
How the hell did you not go with the ironic tag!?!?! What the fark!
 
2013-01-07 10:27:20 PM  
i243.photobucket.com
...and for what, for a little bit of money. There's more to life than money ya know.
 
2013-01-07 10:27:22 PM  

calbert: oh, and subby, he didn't die the day after 'winning' the lottery. he died the day after the state issued him his check.

He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.

better article


After reading that, I'm going to say it was the wife.
 
2013-01-07 10:30:13 PM  
That guy sure had bad timing. Better luck next time.
 
2013-01-07 10:35:37 PM  

ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?


I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?
 
2013-01-07 10:40:49 PM  

AbbeySomeone: number8: If ever there was a place where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, this was it. Disappointing, subby.

I submitted this with the ironic tag and a much better headline.

*squinty, hostile eyes @ those responsible
//you know who you are


You've earned the People's Vote.
 
2013-01-07 10:41:14 PM  

ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?


No, rat poison is usually brodificoum, which is a variant of wafarin (better known as coumadin)

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.
 
2013-01-07 10:43:03 PM  

AbbeySomeone: number8: If ever there was a place where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, this was it. Disappointing, subby.

I submitted this with the ironic tag and a much better headline.

*squinty, hostile eyes @ those responsible
//you know who you are


Take if from an experienced hand, you should always write a headline that makes yourself laugh out loud because 95% of the time you're going to be the only one laughing. I view getting an actual green lit as a failure because it means that someone, somewhere, screwed up and approved something that was actually humorous.
 
2013-01-07 10:47:33 PM  

buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.


On a more serious note, cyanide is difficult to get but not impossible. It's not the type of thing a person can walk up to the counter and buy, there are laws that regulate its sale mostly because people will use it to commit suicide. Still, it's easy enough to get if one want to jump through the hoops or has a connection.
 
2013-01-07 10:50:01 PM  

number8: If ever there was a place where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, this was it. Disappointing, subby.


I know.  The one time where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, and it wasn't.

Ironic, really.
 
2013-01-07 10:51:07 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.

/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

yeah, when he got the ticket, he was -2 dollars and afterward; he had +424,447.60 dollars. What a gyp!


3.bp.blogspot.com
Approves.
 
2013-01-07 10:52:59 PM  

MadSkillz: I hope he didn't activate the genesis device before he died.

/I need warp speed in three minutes or we're all dead.


I'm laughing at the "superior intellect."
 
2013-01-07 10:57:34 PM  

worlddan: buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.

On a more serious note, cyanide is difficult to get but not impossible. It's not the type of thing a person can walk up to the counter and buy, there are laws that regulate its sale mostly because people will use it to commit suicide. Still, it's easy enough to get if one want to jump through the hoops or has a connection.


That's the thing I was having trouble with...I've worked in EH&S positions at research universities in the past, one of which had a chemical recycling program (they'd take chemicals from closed labs and give them to others, which saved money on both procurement and disposal) that seeing a jar of KCN was, well, pretty normal. However, I have no idea what the original purchaser has to go through to get that jar.
 
2013-01-07 10:59:07 PM  

buzzcut73: worlddan: buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.

On a more serious note, cyanide is difficult to get but not impossible. It's not the type of thing a person can walk up to the counter and buy, there are laws that regulate its sale mostly because people will use it to commit suicide. Still, it's easy enough to get if one want to jump through the hoops or has a connection.

That's the thing I was having trouble with...I've worked in EH&S positions at research universities in the past, one of which had a chemical recycling program (they'd take chemicals from closed labs and give them to others, which saved money on both procurement and disposal) that seeing a jar of KCN was, well, pretty normal. However, I have no idea what the original purchaser has to go through to get that jar.


OH HAI!

/Industrial Hygienist.
 
2013-01-07 11:00:26 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.
/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
yeah, when he got the ticket, he was -2 dollars and afterward; he had +424,447.60 dollars. What a gyp!

skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.
/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
It's not like it sucks to be the winner either though; that's $500,000 he didn't have before.


Yeaaaaa! Half of what I was told I'd won!!
Kinda misleading advertising no?
 
2013-01-07 11:08:05 PM  
"Isn't It a Bummer" By Jenna L. Born To the tune of "Ironic"

A girl worked clay To make a tardis for a film But her pottery Blew up in the kiln It's your fat tie On "Blues Brothers Day" That chocolate milk carton Two days past its date

And isn't it a bummer? Donchathink?

It's like mayonaaaaaise On your Philly Steak The big surpriiiiiiise When you step on a rake Another liiiiiiiie When you were told there was cake And the pic on the box Looked Biggerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .

Mr. Long Legs Was a lonely guy An ado-option case Always wond'ring why-y Took a good long time to get To the bottom of this When his real Dad was found He was on the Naughty List

And isn't it a bummer? Donchathink?

It's like mayonaaaaaise On your Philly Steak The big surpriiiiiiise When you step on a rake Another liiiiiiiie When you were told there was cake And the pic on the box Looked Biggerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .

Some have a funny way of grabbing attention The public can't wish away With brazen contempt for Eng-liiish

But I've got a normal way of expressing Dissapointment and it's okay I know my verbiage is accur-eh-et

Tore your pants On the way to a date A chug of pi-i-ickle brine That you thought was white grape It's like ten thousand shares Of Facebook stock It's eating a jelly bean Then cursing Bertie Bott.

Hm.

And isn't it a bummer? Donchathink?

A little too a-bummer? Yeah, I really do think.

It's like mayonaaaaaise On your Philly Steak The big surpriiiiiiise When you step on a rake Another liiiiiiiie When you were told there was cake And the pic on the box Looked Biggerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .

And, yeah, some have a funny way Of grabbing attenn-tion MmmMmmm And I can't forget, forget no way Brazen contempt Brazen contempt
 
2013-01-07 11:08:54 PM  

buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?

No, rat poison is usually brodificoum, which is a variant of wafarin (better known as coumadin)

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.


It's pretty straight forward, normally if a school or a lab already has the paperwork you just order it and it comes in a bottle with a skull and cross bones and a bunch of other warnings. Since it's so toxic you wouldn't have to steal much at all.

/Refused to work with KCN or NaCN, way to easy to accidentally kill yourself with it
//That and HF, another horrid way to die
 
2013-01-07 11:12:23 PM  

ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?



Cyanide?

Oh Fester, as if we'd run out.
 
2013-01-07 11:16:40 PM  

Reverend J: buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?

No, rat poison is usually brodificoum, which is a variant of wafarin (better known as coumadin)

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.

It's pretty straight forward, normally if a school or a lab already has the paperwork you just order it and it comes in a bottle with a skull and cross bones and a bunch of other warnings. Since it's so toxic you wouldn't have to steal much at all.

/Refused to work with KCN or NaCN, way to easy to accidentally kill yourself with it
//That and HF, another horrid way to die


Kind of hard to get any research lab IH or Environmental Compliance type work done if you refuse to work with compounds that might kill you.The best bet is to learn the hazards, and not be stupid. Don't fear things, but do respect them is what I always tell people.
 
2013-01-07 11:19:53 PM  
Crafty. I like a guy who thinks outside the box. Guns as murder weapons are a yawn. Cyanide you say? I'm all ears.
 
2013-01-07 11:21:17 PM  
I know dry cleaners use a lot of chemicals, do they also use cyanide?
 
2013-01-07 11:23:21 PM  

buzzcut73: Reverend J: buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?

No, rat poison is usually brodificoum, which is a variant of wafarin (better known as coumadin)

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.

It's pretty straight forward, normally if a school or a lab already has the paperwork you just order it and it comes in a bottle with a skull and cross bones and a bunch of other warnings. Since it's so toxic you wouldn't have to steal much at all.

/Refused to work with KCN or NaCN, way to easy to accidentally kill yourself with it
//That and HF, another horrid way to die

Kind of hard to get any research lab IH or Environmental Compliance type work done if you refuse to work with compounds that might kill you.The best bet is to learn the hazards, and not be stupid. Don't fear things, but do respect them is what I always tell people.


Yeah, true, but I manged to get my Chem Ph.D. just fine without them. I did work with plenty of dangerous compounds (t-butyl lithium, etc.) but never found a need where I needed to use overly hazardous compounds, especially when there are other synthetic routes to make something that doesn't require off-gassing of HCN or some other nasty side product. HF is easy to avoid, just never do silicon etching or use Si protecting groups.
 
2013-01-07 11:25:57 PM  

ongbok: I know dry cleaners use a lot of chemicals, do they also use cyanide?


They use perchloroethylene, which might give somebody cancer over the course of years to decades.
 
2013-01-07 11:30:23 PM  

buzzcut73:

That's the thing I was having trouble with... that seeing a jar of KCN was, well, pretty normal. However, I have no idea what the original purchaser has to go through to get that jar.


That's what I mean about "having connections". What the distributor wants to know is whether of not you have a legit reason for needing the chemical because they are worried about liability. "Professor of Chemistry" at University Y shipped to the university address on a university PO is going to meet that criteria easily so it doesn't surprise me to find it was just laying around in that setting. At the same time, if someone walked into a distributor wanting to buy some and had no idea of what it was actually used for in chemistry or engineering they will likely get turned away. Liability.

Here's a fun fact. More than 3/4 of all chemists who kill themselves do so with cyanide. It's not difficult to figure out why. It kills quickly and it usually is right at hand. CSI aside the police are going to have a hard time with this case because so much time has passed it's going to be difficult to gather any hard evidence unless the murderer was rather careless.
 
2013-01-07 11:42:00 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: I wouldn't call it unlucky; It's not like this was up to chance.


well if you consider the extremely unlikely chance he would win a million dollars a condition precedent to his murder (the motive), you could call the whole series of events unlucky.
 
2013-01-07 11:44:57 PM  
the infamous lotto curse striking really early this time.
 
2013-01-07 11:45:06 PM  
read the headline again. you were correct.
 
2013-01-07 11:47:59 PM  

Reverend J: /Refused to work with KCN or NaCN, way to easy to accidentally kill yourself with it
//That and HF, another horrid way to die


I've been slowly killing myself with sodium nitrite, one strip of bacon at a time.

\got nothing.
\\chemistry gives me the willies
 
2013-01-07 11:51:52 PM  

calbert: oh, and subby, he didn't die the day after 'winning' the lottery. he died the day after the state issued him his check.

He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.

better article


Until you have cash in hand, you ain't won shiat.
 
2013-01-07 11:52:54 PM  

buzzcut73: ...and for what, for a little bit of money. There's more to life than money ya know.


Nice! Great movie.

But try telling that to the guy who got laid off 8 months ago, all of his savings are gone, credit cards are maxed out, his house is in foreclosure...etc. He could use"a little money".
 
2013-01-08 12:00:37 AM  

Mark Ratner: buzzcut73: ...and for what, for a little bit of money. There's more to life than money ya know.

Nice! Great movie.

But try telling that to the guy who got laid off 8 months ago, all of his savings are gone, credit cards are maxed out, his house is in foreclosure...etc. He could use"a little money".


You notice that the only people that ever say that are people with money and never had to really struggle before or truly worry about where their next meal is going to come from.
 
2013-01-08 12:12:37 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Isn't it ironic?


Came here for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-01-08 12:14:00 AM  

ongbok: Mark Ratner: buzzcut73: ...and for what, for a little bit of money. There's more to life than money ya know.

Nice! Great movie.

But try telling that to the guy who got laid off 8 months ago, all of his savings are gone, credit cards are maxed out, his house is in foreclosure...etc. He could use"a little money".

You notice that the only people that ever say that are people with money and never had to really struggle before or truly worry about where their next meal is going to come from.


Yep
 
2013-01-08 12:16:03 AM  

ongbok: Mark Ratner: buzzcut73: ...and for what, for a little bit of money. There's more to life than money ya know.

Nice! Great movie.

But try telling that to the guy who got laid off 8 months ago, all of his savings are gone, credit cards are maxed out, his house is in foreclosure...etc. He could use"a little money".

You notice that the only people that ever say that are people with money and never had to really struggle before or truly worry about where their next meal is going to come from.


I never had a savings account to go through, so if I became unemployed I'd be motivated as hell to find a job.
/that being said, I did mortgage collections for 2.5 years before doing home loan origination
//sold my soul to the bankers, but I wasn't using it anyway
 
2013-01-08 12:18:16 AM  

albuquerquehalsey: skinink: He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs.

/Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

yeah, when he got the ticket, he was -2 dollars and afterward; he had +424,447.60 dollars. What a gyp!


would you play a game where you and nine of your family members or friends give me $1 each and I randomly select the winner. I will then give him $4 and pocket the rest for myself.
 
2013-01-08 12:34:30 AM  

Shrugging Atlas: already


Donal Logue FTMFW!
 
2013-01-08 12:35:17 AM  
Back in the sixties I had some in an advanced chemistry set. Times have changed.
 
2013-01-08 12:35:39 AM  

Shrugging Atlas: RedPhoenix122: Isn't it ironic?

It's like goin' crazy when you're already nuts.


Argh, I'm too drunk. Again, Donal Logue FTMFW!
 
2013-01-08 12:39:39 AM  

ongbok: I know dry cleaners use a lot of chemicals, do they also use cyanide?


Absolutely. Nothing like cyanide to get those tough stains out. Of course you don't see it so much anymore, but when I first started out in this business we had cyanide coming out our ears. We used it on grass stains. And if that didn't work, you know what we used? That's right--mercury. Nothing like mercury and a little bit of spit for a really tough grass stain.
 
2013-01-08 12:46:04 AM  

signaljammer: Back in the sixties I had some in an advanced chemistry set. Times have changed.


When I was in elementary school there was a cyanide killing jar (for insect specimens) in the science lab. When not in use it was securely locked away in a cabinet, the keys to which were left hanging on the wall behind a clipboard.

My chemistry set had some potassium ferricyanide, a cyanide compound but fairly non-toxic.
 
2013-01-08 12:46:47 AM  

italie: AbbeySomeone: number8: If ever there was a place where the "Ironic" tag should have been used, this was it. Disappointing, subby.

I submitted this with the ironic tag and a much better headline.

*squinty, hostile eyes @ those responsible
//you know who you are

This one gets green-lit AND there was a suitable replacement in the Queue? For shame admins, for shame.


You guys are silly. You don't actually think they read the things do you? That would be work.
 
2013-01-08 12:52:15 AM  
skinink: "He wins a million dollars, but after taxes he get less than half a mil? Nice racket the state runs."

It's more false advertising than anything.
... which is why most lotteries that advertise the installment 'total' now also report the lump sum payout.

because judges and juries are inclined to agree that it's not quite right to advertise a $1m jackpot if no-one ever actually gets $1m.
 
2013-01-08 12:55:19 AM  

Reverend J: /Refused to work with KCN or NaCN, way to easy to accidentally kill yourself with it
//That and HF, another horrid way to die


I got the full safety training on use of hydrofluoric acid, including having a tube of Calcium Gluconate antidote gel in case of accidental exposure (slather that on, and get to the hospital). Fortunately, I never did need to use it for my work.
But I was appalled to discover anyone can buy that sh*t online at "Chemical Supermarket".

http://www.chemical-supermarket.com/Hydrofluoric-Acid-49-250ml-Semi-G r ade-p32.html

Precautions:
**This is the most dangerous industrial acid in existence**
Attacks calcium in bones. Strong irritant to eyes and skin. Highly corrosive to skin and mucous membranes. Toxic by inhalation and ingestion. Will attack glass specifically and generally any silicon-containing materials.


Chemical Supermarket's motto is: "Making High Tech Materials & Chemicals Available to Everyone".
Everyone? Like terrorists?
Some stuff should be restricted!
As for sodium cyanide, I walk past huge sacks/barrels of that stuff when I visit gold mines, as it is used to dissolve the gold out of the rock. And I stay the hell away from it, other than to assess whether or not the company has the proper handling protocols in place.
 
2013-01-08 02:39:12 AM  
He wanted to take home his winnings, but somebody just wasn't CN it.
 
2013-01-08 02:44:18 AM  

GoldDude: Reverend J: /Refused to work with KCN or NaCN, way to easy to accidentally kill yourself with it
//That and HF, another horrid way to die

I got the full safety training on use of hydrofluoric acid, including having a tube of Calcium Gluconate antidote gel in case of accidental exposure (slather that on, and get to the hospital). Fortunately, I never did need to use it for my work.
But I was appalled to discover anyone can buy that sh*t online at "Chemical Supermarket".

http://www.chemical-supermarket.com/Hydrofluoric-Acid-49-250ml-Semi-G r ade-p32.html

Precautions:
**This is the most dangerous industrial acid in existence**
Attacks calcium in bones. Strong irritant to eyes and skin. Highly corrosive to skin and mucous membranes. Toxic by inhalation and ingestion. Will attack glass specifically and generally any silicon-containing materials.

Chemical Supermarket's motto is: "Making High Tech Materials & Chemicals Available to Everyone".
Everyone? Like terrorists?
Some stuff should be restricted!
As for sodium cyanide, I walk past huge sacks/barrels of that stuff when I visit gold mines, as it is used to dissolve the gold out of the rock. And I stay the hell away from it, other than to assess whether or not the company has the proper handling protocols in place.


That's why you use a plastic tub.
 
2013-01-08 02:46:31 AM  

Reverend J: buzzcut73: Reverend J: buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?

No, rat poison is usually brodificoum, which is a variant of wafarin (better known as coumadin)

Cyanide is kind of available, because it is used in lab settings quite a bit, but I'm not sure what hoops one has to go through to get some these days.

It's pretty straight forward, normally if a school or a lab already has the paperwork you just order it and it comes in a bottle with a skull and cross bones and a bunch of other warnings. Since it's so toxic you wouldn't have to steal much at all.

/Refused to work with KCN or NaCN, way to easy to accidentally kill yourself with it
//That and HF, another horrid way to die

Kind of hard to get any research lab IH or Environmental Compliance type work done if you refuse to work with compounds that might kill you.The best bet is to learn the hazards, and not be stupid. Don't fear things, but do respect them is what I always tell people.

Yeah, true, but I manged to get my Chem Ph.D. just fine without them. I did work with plenty of dangerous compounds (t-butyl lithium, etc.) but never found a need where I needed to use overly hazardous compounds, especially when there are other synthetic routes to make something that doesn't require off-gassing of HCN or some other nasty side product. HF is easy to avoid, just never do silicon etching or use Si protecting groups.


I work with acetonitrile (methyl cyanide) on a daily basis. You just have to take the proper precautions.
/sometime get to boil gasoline, too.
 
2013-01-08 04:17:20 AM  

calbert: oh, and subby, he didn't die the day after 'winning' the lottery. he died the day after the state issued him his check.

He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.

better article


Don't tell anyone, but I think the headline was supposed to be a setup for Alanis Morissette/Ironic jokes.
 
2013-01-08 07:10:46 AM  
Lucky stiff!
 
2013-01-08 07:16:37 AM  

ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?


No, not cyanide, but historically arsenic compounds were used for rat poison. Not anymore though. Too slow and inhumane. Today's rat and mouse poisons are warfarin based.
 
2013-01-08 07:17:08 AM  

Dimensio: lelio: calbert: He won sometime in June, the state issued his check July 19, he died July 20.

I like how the coroner at first said it was natural causes. Um, yeah sparky let's rub two brain cells together and try and figure out why that's probably not the case.

Exposure to cyanide will naturally cause an individual to die.


Cyanides are produced by many plants, bacteria, fungi, even the most poisonous hydrogen cyanide can be found in many types of fruits you may eat everyday, like cherries, apples, and apricots.

So it only makes sense to call a death caused by this naturally occurring compound as a death by natural causes.
 
2013-01-08 07:31:24 AM  

KidneyStone: Gun laws won't stop criminals from getting guns because they generally don't/can't buy their guns through gun stores. I'm a gun owner and haven't the slightest clue where to buy an illegal gun.

So where the hell does one legally buy cyanide?!?!


Meet me behind the Walmart on Broad St.
2am.
Bring 800 dollars.
That gets you a gun AND cyanide. (Actualy it's a gun that shoots cyanide. Two birds, and all that)
 
2013-01-08 08:05:31 AM  
They use sodium cyanide at steel plating co.s all the time.
 
2013-01-08 09:02:39 AM  
"Yeah... yeah, lottery, that's the ticket!"assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-01-08 09:27:49 AM  
Maybe it was the ol' cyanide-pill-in-the-tooth trick. He forgot he was a pointless Bond villain.

img.photobucket.com

Oh, and HCN isn't THAT acidic

Bond Science
 
2013-01-08 10:38:03 AM  

buzzcut73: ElBarto79: ModernLuddite: Can you just get cyanide?

I thought rat poison was basically cyanide?

No, rat poison is usually brodificoum, which is a variant of wafarin (better known as coumadin).


I bet they were thinking of strychnine. Strychnine is fairly common rodent killer and has been used in human poisonings as well.
 
2013-01-08 12:31:43 PM  

Mark Ratner: ongbok: Mark Ratner: buzzcut73: ...and for what, for a little bit of money. There's more to life than money ya know.

Nice! Great movie.

But try telling that to the guy who got laid off 8 months ago, all of his savings are gone, credit cards are maxed out, his house is in foreclosure...etc. He could use"a little money".

You notice that the only people that ever say that are people with money and never had to really struggle before or truly worry about where their next meal is going to come from.

Yep


How many people are killed for amounts of less than a thousand bucks? Quite a few.

How many people are killed for amounts of over a million bucks? Virtually none.

When well meaning people discuss crime, much as economists used to do in their field, they assume people are rational players. But they're not.
 
2013-01-08 02:24:57 PM  
It was an accident

www.dwyersdollhouse.com
 
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