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(ESPN)   Lakers concede season, begin tanking for a high draft pick by resting starters indefinitely   (espn.go.com) divider line 42
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2013-01-07 11:11:05 PM  
As a Laker fan, as this point it has become humorous.
 
2013-01-07 11:13:28 PM  
As a Celtics fan, this was humorous from day one.
 
2013-01-08 01:07:38 AM  
As a Cavs fan...

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2013-01-08 01:24:50 AM  
Laughing my arse off up here in Portland.
 
2013-01-08 01:39:21 AM  
I'd like to laugh, but there's too much season left, too many teams make the playoffs, and these superstar teams get better as the season goes on.
 
2013-01-08 02:04:41 AM  
To make to playoffs as the 8th seed, the historic win total is about 47.

Lakers would need to go 32-18 (if one assumes loses in next three games: at Houston, at San Antonio, and home against OKC.. they will need to go 32-15)


Denver and Golden State are the fun teams to watch in the West right now.
 
2013-01-08 02:23:20 AM  

vial: To make to playoffs as the 8th seed, the historic win total is about 47.

Lakers would need to go 32-18 (if one assumes loses in next three games: at Houston, at San Antonio, and home against OKC.. they will need to go 32-15)


Denver and Golden State are the fun teams to watch in the West right now.


You forgot the Clippers- best team in the NBA atm. And, as a longtime Lakers fan, it pains me to say that.
Dont get me wrong- I wish them nothing but the best.

Anyhow, this all could have been avoided if they would have just told Phil Jackson- sure, anything you want, Zenmaster coach. Anything. But, Jim Buss is a moran.
 
2013-01-08 02:28:10 AM  
Not a single fu(k was given that day.
 
2013-01-08 02:34:54 AM  

alienated: Anyhow, this all could have been avoided if they would have just told Phil Jackson- sure, anything you want, Zenmaster coach. Anything. But, Jim Buss is a moran.


i like to believe that there is a parallel world where i am happy and did that. still can't believe they didn't hire Phil. even if the same things injury wise and record wise happened, PJ had built enough equity that people would still believe. 'Antoni...not so much.

still fun to watch Kobe. guess i go into '05-'07 mode of watching the LA Kobe's...
 
2013-01-08 02:44:02 AM  

you are a puppet: [hoopedia.nba.com image 290x450]


time to go a rapin
 
2013-01-08 02:46:22 AM  
Seeing the Lakers look so awful is making me feel a lot better about the abortion of a season the Mavs are having.
 
2013-01-08 02:55:35 AM  
Is D'antoni fired yet? This isn't college where a guy has a bad season or two before you start expecting results. You decided to skip over Phil Jackson because you thought this guy was such the badass with his phoenix offense and he even declared that anything short of the nba championship this season was a failure. Well congrats, it was a failure 3 games in. Just admit you farked up, fire him, and maybe make every game free taco bell night if the lakers don't lose by over 10 or something.
 
2013-01-08 03:04:43 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: As a Laker fan, as this point it has become humorous.


I'd like to get the Laker fan perspective on this: earlier in the season Gasol was benched for a few games, basically wasn't playing well. The specifics escape me at the moment, but this was soon after the coaching change.

Anyway, around that time Dwight Howard is stinking up the court, and opponents are playing 'hack a Howard' cause he'shiatting something like 25% of his free throws.

When asked about benching Howard in the 4th quarter when those missed shots are losing games, Dantoni says (paraphrasing) you don't bench your franchise player, you let him play through a cold streak.

The sports media never seemed to draw a comparison between those 2 situations. Here's one guy, who has won ringZ, plural, for your team, getting the 'what have you done for me lately' treatment. And another guy, who while being an amazing physical specimen and obviously talented, has no rings and hasn't really shown the Lakers anything.

What do you guys think about that?

(Yes, I do realize much in pro sports is 'what have you done for me lately,' or rather, 'what can you do for me tomorrow?' So Howard being 27 and Gasol being 32 is an acceptable answer if the feeling in L.A. is Gasol doesn't much court time left. Just seemed odd to me, especially with Kobe still around. Isn't he still the franchise player? Howard has shown for all his talent and ability he's not much of a leader.)

Maybe Dantoni is thinking, there's no way they fire 2 coaches in 1 season.
 
2013-01-08 03:06:52 AM  

almandot: free taco bell night


have we not suffered enough ?
 
2013-01-08 03:10:19 AM  

mcmnky: Gasol was benched for a few games, basically wasn't playing well. The specifics escape me at the moment, but this was soon after the coaching change.


If memory serves, and i hope that will do, as i am fixing another compy atm and cant look it up- I think Pau had a bad knee/tendinitis that he was keeping quiet about. I might be wrong.
As far as the other points- I had high hopes for Howard, but now ? Not so much. He is not a good fit, imho.
 
2013-01-08 03:21:52 AM  
Time to take off the big boy pants and go back to training pants?
 
2013-01-08 04:11:16 AM  
As funny as this is....there is no humor in the play of Tony Romo. He just sucks.
 
2013-01-08 05:56:30 AM  
It gets better, the lakers don't own their own pick, Phoenix or Cleveland does. Oh, and it's unprotected:

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2013 first round draft pick to Phoenix
The L.A. Lakers will send the least favorable of their own 1st round pick (top-14 protected), Cleveland's own 2013 1st round pick, Sacramento's own 1st round pick (top-13 protected) and Miami's 2013 1st round pick to Phoenix. If the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick is within the top-14 selections, Phoenix will automatically receive the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick. [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012]

2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland
Cleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]

2013 second round draft pick to Dallas
Dallas has the right to swap their own 2013 2nd round pick with the L.A. Lakers' own 2013 2nd round pick. [Dallas-L.A. Lakers, 12/11/2011]
 
2013-01-08 06:13:08 AM  
"Howard is sidelined with a torn labrum..."

They misspelled labia.
 
2013-01-08 06:18:12 AM  
Looks like Phoenix will get the pick, and Cleveland gets the shaft.
 
2013-01-08 06:49:23 AM  

mikelepage: "Howard is sidelined with a torn labrum..."

They misspelled labia.


That's what I read it as. The little woman Howard cried his way out of Orlando, now it's not working out for him.
 
2013-01-08 07:26:59 AM  
Does this mean we can stop hearing ot them? Good lord, no one cares.
 
2013-01-08 07:51:38 AM  

Palmer Eldritch: As a Celtics fan, this was humorous from day one.


As a Sixers fan, THIS.
 
2013-01-08 08:08:14 AM  
As a Rockets fan, I look forward to seeing a Lakers starting lineup of Nash/Bryant/Metta World Peace/Jamison/Sacre tonight.

Although I am kinda scared that benching Howard and Gasol was what Kobe needed to go into Kobe mode and take someone down a notch. Hopefully that person is Steve Nash.
 
2013-01-08 08:08:19 AM  
Why they went with Howard is beyond me. That guy is a cancer. He quite literally is the biggest puss on the planet.
 
2013-01-08 08:09:50 AM  
Is Nerlens Noel going to be able to fit the Lakers logo on the back of his head next year?
 
2013-01-08 08:34:18 AM  

xtragrind: Why they went with Howard is beyond me. That guy is a cancer. He quite literally is the biggest puss on the planet.


Both Kobe and Howard are cancers.  They're great players if you can build entire teams around them, but that's an awful lot of scouting talented players without ego, which is tough to do.  The 2004 Finals was probably the most fun in my memory, where a blue-collar defensive crew showed a clique of superstar egos (including Kobe, Shaq and Karl Malone) how it's done.  That was glorious.

Howard is overrated; he was picked up because he racked up offensive stats being the guy in Orlando.  I honestly think Tyson Chandler is a better player.  Maybe not more talented, but as a professional player on the court, he's better.  If you get your pick between great interior defenders, you pick the guy with the professional attitude, every time.
 
2013-01-08 08:34:50 AM  

EyeballKid: Is Nerlens Noel going to be able to fit the Lakers logo on the back of his head next year?


If he doesn't shape up, he will still have UK's.
 
2013-01-08 08:49:22 AM  

The Muthaship: If he doesn't shape up, he will still have UK's.


Ain't that the truth! If he doesn't want to be the tallest benchrider not named "Willy" in the NCAA next year, he'd better bring his game up.
 
2013-01-08 09:02:28 AM  
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2013-01-08 09:23:31 AM  

dragonchild: I honestly think Tyson Chandler is a better player. Maybe not more talented, but as a professional player on the court, he's better. If you get your pick between great interior defenders, you pick the guy with the professional attitude, every time.


Ummm... no?

And I know Tyson has been a lot better recently, but your saying he has a professional attitude?
 
2013-01-08 09:24:11 AM  

gtfan92: dragonchild: I honestly think Tyson Chandler is a better player. Maybe not more talented, but as a professional player on the court, he's better. If you get your pick between great interior defenders, you pick the guy with the professional attitude, every time.

Ummm... no?

And I know Tyson has been a lot better recently, but your saying he has a professional attitude?


*you're
 
2013-01-08 09:29:31 AM  
This is awesome. I admit as a Lakers fan since I was 7, this is strange. My team is mediocre at best, if not on the verge of total suckage. Not cool.

2005 through 2007 made sense with the roster. 2012 though. Bizarre.

So this is what it feels like to be the rest of the NBA.

Enjoy this season while you can guys, if history tells you anything, this team will not stand for this sucking for long. That much I can guarantee versus the rest.

As for the Celtic fan out there your team isn't much better.

Bye.
 
2013-01-08 10:30:07 AM  

dragonchild: Howard is overrated; he was picked up because he racked up offensive stats being the guy in Orlando. I honestly think Tyson Chandler is a better player. Maybe not more talented, but as a professional player on the court, he's better. If you get your pick between great interior defenders, you pick the guy with the professional attitude, every time.


Howard is overrated, but you took this a few steps too far
 
2013-01-08 10:42:40 AM  
As a casual follower of the Spurs, I'm wondering when the commissioner is going to fine the Lakers for resting starters.
 
2013-01-08 11:00:02 AM  

gtfan92: dragonchild: I honestly think Tyson Chandler is a better player. Maybe not more talented, but as a professional player on the court, he's better. If you get your pick between great interior defenders, you pick the guy with the professional attitude, every time.

Ummm... no?

And I know Tyson has been a lot better recently, but your saying he has a professional attitude?


MugzyBrown: dragonchild: Howard is overrated; he was picked up because he racked up offensive stats being the guy in Orlando. I honestly think Tyson Chandler is a better player. Maybe not more talented, but as a professional player on the court, he's better. If you get your pick between great interior defenders, you pick the guy with the professional attitude, every time.

Howard is overrated, but you took this a few steps too far


What about Tyson Chandler's vs. Dwight Howard's game on the court and ability to help a team win over the past few years indicates that Howard is better?

Chandler basically pushed a fringe contender Dallas team for several years over the edge, got told to walk by Cuban, and then turned the Knicks into a very good defensive team while becoming possibly the best pick and roll big man in the league. He also is at least partially responsible (as well as Lin and Novak) for the Knicks even making the playoffs after the Carmelo trade.

Howard has been the best defensive player in the league for most of the decade but has struggled somewhat on offense. Prior to this season he was almost assuredly a top 2-3 player in the league. He also managed to get a Finals team transformed into a horrible roster (granted, that was mostly the GM's fault; that guy is an idiot), got his coach fired, and managed to mishandle his Orlando exit so poorly that he simultaneously made Lebron and Carmelo look professional.

As far as bang for your buck goes I don't think there's any question that you take Chandler right now, possibly even as recently as two years ago. Because he's currently a better player for your team. Would he win in one-on-one? Don't know. It doesn't matter though, because basketball is a team sport.
 
2013-01-08 11:02:36 AM  

logggur: text


Now that I think about it, Howard was probably the ABSOLUTE best defender for a good 4-5 year stretch (forgot his draft was 2004). I think it was pretty clear that he was still the best last year before his injury even though Chandler got DPOY.
 
2013-01-08 11:29:17 AM  

logggur: Howard has been the best defensive player in the league for most of the decade but has struggled somewhat on offense


Yes, the guy with a career TS% of .600 has struggled on offense for his career. (and, unlike Tyson, Dwight actually takes more than six shots a game)

Tyson was absolutely the reason for the Knicks' success last year, but this year has been different. He's been a bit slower defensively, which has resulted in the Knicks becoming a bottom 10 defense. Howard has been the same as Tyson defensively, so the only argument you can make for Tyson is that he's a better offensive player, and he's not. Dwight actually has some post moves (regardless of what anyone else says), and Tyson can only take shots at the rim. (where 95% of his attempts are)

Hell, I'd say Horford has been better than Tyson this year. (because floor spacing, passing, and defense are real things)
 
2013-01-08 11:43:18 AM  
Howard would make an awesome, better Ben Wallace. Could probably get 3, 4 Blocks per game and 16-20 rebounds, while averaging 13-15ppg.

But instead he wants to be Shaq, but is a very poor copy.


But please, Tyson Chandler? He's a nice player, a great piece to a puzzle, but not on the same talent level as Howard.
 
2013-01-08 11:48:13 AM  

logggur: Would he win in one-on-one? Don't know. It doesn't matter though, because basketball is a team sport.


Thanks for getting my point.  Howard is unquestionably more talented.  Tyson Chandler is more efficient.
 
2013-01-08 01:56:10 PM  

gtfan92: logggur: Howard has been the best defensive player in the league for most of the decade but has struggled somewhat on offense

Yes, the guy with a career TS% of .600 has struggled on offense for his career. (and, unlike Tyson, Dwight actually takes more than six shots a game)

Tyson was absolutely the reason for the Knicks' success last year, but this year has been different. He's been a bit slower defensively, which has resulted in the Knicks becoming a bottom 10 defense. Howard has been the same as Tyson defensively, so the only argument you can make for Tyson is that he's a better offensive player, and he's not. Dwight actually has some post moves (regardless of what anyone else says), and Tyson can only take shots at the rim. (where 95% of his attempts are)

Hell, I'd say Horford has been better than Tyson this year. (because floor spacing, passing, and defense are real things)


Yeah his TS% is great, but he typically dunks when he's scoring (for instance he had almost 100 more dunks in 2011 than Chandler). Anyway, I meant struggling relative to his defensive prowess, not like... terrible. Except for free throw shooting, that's been kinda rough.

I did not realize that the Knicks had regressed so much defensively. Last time I really looked into them they were locking things down pretty effectively and I just sort of assumed it was continuing. I think my point still stands, though, that while Howard may be a better player individually, he may not be the best player for a team.

That being said it's kind of hard to remain objective about the whole argument considering Howard's probably been injured all season. If he were 100% this would probably be a very different conversation. Also, yeah, Horford is a beast.
 
2013-01-08 11:35:26 PM  

alienated: mcmnky: Gasol was benched for a few games, basically wasn't playing well. The specifics escape me at the moment, but this was soon after the coaching change.

If memory serves, and i hope that will do, as i am fixing another compy atm and cant look it up- I think Pau had a bad knee/tendinitis that he was keeping quiet about. I might be wrong.
As far as the other points- I had high hopes for Howard, but now ? Not so much. He is not a good fit, imho.


OK, that makes sense. If memory serves, he did end up on the boo boo list. I wasn't paying enough attention to know if he got back in the game between being benched and being hurt. Guess he didn't.
 
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