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(Slate)   Why old men find young women's voices annoying. Propensity to say "Ewwwww, get away from me, you dirty old baldy grandpa" not discussed in article   (slate.com) divider line 65
    More: Interesting, American English, Long Island University, Bob Garfield, Creaky Girls, linguists  
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2013-01-08 07:10:27 AM  
Wait so it's Lumpy space princess? I love that
 
2013-01-08 07:12:06 AM  

Walt_Jizzney: scottydoesntknow: "All right, Brian, you can do this. You can dump her, because once it's done, never again will you have to listen to her talk like this? You know, where everything has a question mark at the end of it? With an upward inflection? At the end of every sentence?"

Gah...so much "this" and that farking retarded phrase "I know, right?"

/off my lawn
//I sound old


i know right
 
2013-01-08 07:15:09 AM  
What if the Fry is particularly witty and erudite?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-08 07:28:01 AM  
Finally, I have a name for it! My best friend's former roommate dated a girl who talked almost exclusively like that. I was so glad when they got married and moved out. It just sounds so lazy, like they can't be troubled to put forth the effort to actually breathe air over their vocal cords when speaking.
 
2013-01-08 08:30:56 AM  
suspect that the spread of "creaky voice" makes Garfield so mad because it represents the downfall of his own mode of communication, which is swiftly being replaced by the patterns and preferences of 11-year-old girls like Ida and her peers

Or maybe it's more because a lot of us old fogies first started to see it back in the 80s when it was intentionally and repeatedly associated with the puerile and idiotic for comedic effect.

The valley girl speech pattern that introduced this sort of thing started out for most of the country as something of a joke aimed at the stereotypically ignorant and flighty bleach-blonde beach bimbo of the west coast. So we saw it introduced to our popular culture with a negative connotation then missed its broader incorporation in the early 90s and especially its increasing general acceptance since the mid 90s.

But, no, you keep running with the "u mad bro?" theory. No sense ending an otherwise perfectly good article on an intelligent and thoughtful note.

When I hear a young woman speaking with this sort of pattern it makes me think she's a grating idiot because I was taught by the culture that help shaped me as a younger man that the pattern signaled grating idiocy. It's really that simple.

/ I wish Fark would quit eating spaces between lines...
 
2013-01-08 08:35:09 AM  
Oh, and while we're on the subject of the annoying communication patterns of younger women, am I the only person who has noticed that a lot of younger women seem to think e-mail is a conversational tool?

I hate that. If you want to have a conversation with me, pick up the damn phone or come see me in person. If you're going to send an email just get to the farking point. I should not have to read three paragraphs of text to glean meaning that could have been conveyed in one sentence.
 
2013-01-08 11:45:16 AM  

moothemagiccow: Walt_Jizzney: scottydoesntknow: "All right, Brian, you can do this. You can dump her, because once it's done, never again will you have to listen to her talk like this? You know, where everything has a question mark at the end of it? With an upward inflection? At the end of every sentence?"

Gah...so much "this" and that farking retarded phrase "I know, right?"

/off my lawn
//I sound old

i know right


Pure hilarity!
 
2013-01-08 11:47:48 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh, and while we're on the subject of the annoying communication patterns of younger women, am I the only person who has noticed that a lot of younger women seem to think e-mail texting is a conversational tool?


FTFY, sadly...
 
2013-01-08 12:08:35 PM  
I love it when Slate writers biatch at other Slate writers in public.

Old Dudes: Young women do annoying things with their voices. Isn't that interesting, from the perspective of an armchair linguist? NPR should definitely have me on as a guest more often.

Wymyn: Patriarchy alert! We threaten them! I am woman, hear me roar!
 
2013-01-08 01:02:34 PM  
I wonder if I have vocal fry? Older men get annoyed when I speak but I always put that down them growing up in a world where women were only allowed to be secretaries.
 
2013-01-08 02:18:26 PM  

Agarista: The constant use of the word "like" allows me to identify young American women in any crowd. Especially when coupled with a piercing nasality, meaningless changes in pitch and volume just louder than everyone else nearby.
I first noticed it living abroad, but when I come back to the States, it's equally startling.


I'm convinced there is something going on in their still-developing brains that forces them to need/use filler words. Another possibility is that, at their age, they are still viewed as small (and interruptable children) despite having a worldview that is heading towards adult autonomy and they need to use filler words because they get interrupted by their elders every time they pause. This is nothing new, I remember listening to a teacher railing about this in 1970.
 
2013-01-08 06:25:31 PM  

KawaiiNot: I wonder if I have vocal fry? Older men get annoyed when I speak but I always put that down them growing up in a world where women were only allowed to be secretaries.


I'm insulted that you would stereotype all men as marking you as only fit to be secretaries.  We men have grown with the times and accept that society has changed.

You can be stripper if you have a nice rack.
 
2013-01-08 06:51:56 PM  
Ah HA! Discussed this with my wife and she immediately figured out where it must have started: The 1st Star Wars movie. I think she got it.

Remember the scenes where the X-wings are going into position to do strafing runs, and later during the action? Remember the radio chatter? LOTS of vocal frys.

The movie, of course, was a monstrous hit and made indelible impressions in many of the watchers.
 
2013-01-08 07:47:37 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Agarista: The constant use of the word "like" allows me to identify young American women in any crowd. Especially when coupled with a piercing nasality, meaningless changes in pitch and volume just louder than everyone else nearby.
I first noticed it living abroad, but when I come back to the States, it's equally startling.

I'm convinced there is something going on in their still-developing brains that forces them to need/use filler words. Another possibility is that, at their age, they are still viewed as small (and interruptable children) despite having a worldview that is heading towards adult autonomy and they need to use filler words because they get interrupted by their elders every time they pause. This is nothing new, I remember listening to a teacher railing about this in 1970.


They would not get interrupted if they would have thought their sentence out before mindlessly blurting. The need for attention causes many of them to get attention by talking because most polite people will wait for them to finish. My 26 year old sister does this often. She annoys the crap out of me.

Here is an example:

Ring Ring: Hello?
Sister: I am sorry to call you so late (Its like 12:30am). I am really sorry
Me: What is going on?
Sister: Mom has the kids and she will be watching them tonight.
(Okay, so why are you calling me?????)
Sister: I am really sorry to be calling you so late but I am not feeling good and have not been able to pee for like three days
Sister: Um, I know it is late and I am sorry to call you.
Sister: Um, Danny is here (Boyfriend who doesn't own a car who she rambles on about for a bit)
Me: Do you need to go to a hospital?
Sister: Um, I am sorry to call you so late, but, Um, I can't pee. I think I need to go to the emergency room.
Me: Do you need me to take you to the hospital right now or can it wait until tomorrow?
Sister: Well, I kind of need to go right now.
Me: Okay, heading over now be ready in 10 minutes.

This is a very very short version. It took her like 2-3 minutes of rambling before I even was able to determine there was something wrong. About the only time she says what she means and stops rambling is when she is really pissed off. At least then I don't want to smack her for making me wait several minutes before she gets to the reason why she needs a ride to the store.

Keep in mind: My sister is legally blind (Stargardt's) and needs assistance on occasion and I am fine with that.
 
2013-01-09 11:58:59 AM  
A few years ago the radio station where I work hired a female news director. She was damn good at it, too. Good voice, very professional, excellent elocution. Best I've worked with, actually. Immediately the complaints started streaming in, almost exclusively from old men. One guy said he couldn't understand a word she said. He proceeded to come to station one day to try to persuade the Gm to fire her. He told the GM that he had 12 radios all aimed at his head at breakfast, and he would turn them all on to our station and listen to us on all of them at once.

Radio's a freak magnet.
 
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