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(Washington Post)   "Whether or not Shanahan made the right call seems pretty simple: He didn't. "   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 45
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2013-01-07 04:07:33 PM  
I guess we can say all the same stuff here now.
 
2013-01-07 04:07:58 PM  
STFU, men are talking.
 
2013-01-07 04:10:08 PM  
Why shouldn't RG3 get a big part of the blame? He's the one who said he could play.

They would have lost anyway.
 
2013-01-07 04:13:03 PM  

MugzyBrown: Why shouldn't RG3 get a big part of the blame? He's the one who said he could play.

They would have lost anyway.


Players ALWAYS say they can play. Especially 22 y/o guys who are less than a year removed from a Heisman trophy. It's a head coaches job to make the decisions that give the team the best chance to win. Frankly, I think starting RG3 was the right move, and I can't really blame him for leaving him in in the 2nd half - I don't think I'd have trusted Cousins to hold a 1 pt. lead against the Seaatle D either.
 
2013-01-07 04:17:51 PM  

seumasokelly: MugzyBrown: Why shouldn't RG3 get a big part of the blame? He's the one who said he could play.

They would have lost anyway.

Players ALWAYS say they can play. Especially 22 y/o guys who are less than a year removed from a Heisman trophy. It's a head coaches job to make the decisions that give the team the best chance to win. Frankly, I think starting RG3 was the right move, and I can't really blame him for leaving him in in the 2nd half - I don't think I'd have trusted Cousins to hold a 1 pt. lead against the Seaatle D either.


starting him - maybe ok

running him out in the second half? - no way

running him back out after he freaking LIMPED his way to the sideline on a running play - pathetic & you officially suck at life and as a coach.
 
2013-01-07 04:24:22 PM  

seumasokelly: Players ALWAYS say they can play. Especially 22 y/o guys who are less than a year removed from a Heisman trophy.


He's a grown man. He can be honest with himself.

If he's supposed to a good passer as well as runner, he wasn't any slower than Tom Brady is on any day.
 
2013-01-07 04:25:45 PM  

MugzyBrown: If he's supposed to a good passer as well as runner, he wasn't any slower than Tom Brady is on any day.


Yep. Effective passers don't use their legs at all in their throwing motion.
 
2013-01-07 04:27:38 PM  

The Bestest: MugzyBrown: If he's supposed to a good passer as well as runner, he wasn't any slower than Tom Brady is on any day.

Yep. Effective passers don't use their legs at all in their throwing motion.


McNabb once threw 4 or 5 TDs on a broken ankle.
 
2013-01-07 04:28:58 PM  

MugzyBrown: The Bestest: MugzyBrown: If he's supposed to a good passer as well as runner, he wasn't any slower than Tom Brady is on any day.

Yep. Effective passers don't use their legs at all in their throwing motion.

McNabb once threw 4 or 5 TDs on a broken ankle.


That was against Arizona.
 
2013-01-07 04:30:13 PM  

MaestroQuark: That was against Arizona.


He still had to throw the ball though, which is apparently impossible if your leg is injured.
 
2013-01-07 04:33:41 PM  

MaestroQuark: MugzyBrown: The Bestest: MugzyBrown: If he's supposed to a good passer as well as runner, he wasn't any slower than Tom Brady is on any day.

Yep. Effective passers don't use their legs at all in their throwing motion.

McNabb once threw 4 or 5 TDs on a broken ankle.

That was against Arizona.


Plus he he was all jacked up on Campbell's Chunky Soup.
 
2013-01-07 04:36:19 PM  

MugzyBrown: Why shouldn't RG3 get a big part of the blame? He's the one who said he could play.

They would have lost anyway.


Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on. With that in mind, they can literally be on death's door, and they will never voluntarily take themselves out.
 
2013-01-07 04:37:48 PM  

MugzyBrown: MaestroQuark: That was against Arizona.

He still had to throw the ball though, which is apparently impossible if your leg is injured.


It's difficult to throw accurately. Now, when you're facing a team that has pretty good coverage everywhere except apparently in a 10-yard wide hole about five yards downfield from the left tackle on goalline plays, that makes it a problem.
 
2013-01-07 04:38:45 PM  

Lost Thought 00: MugzyBrown: Why shouldn't RG3 get a big part of the blame? He's the one who said he could play.

They would have lost anyway.

Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on. With that in mind, they can literally be on death's door, and they will never voluntarily take themselves out.


He's got a point.
 
2013-01-07 04:39:08 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on.


I don't think they're going to sit the guy they traded first-round draft picks and threw in two more first rounders and a second-rounder for after one season if he's healthy.

Hell, they apparently wouldn't sit him if he had a peg leg.
 
2013-01-07 04:42:06 PM  

IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on.

I don't think they're going to sit the guy they traded first-round draft picks and threw in two more first rounders and a second-rounder for after one season if he's healthy.

Hell, they apparently wouldn't sit him if he had a peg leg.


Maybe, but it's not unheard of. If Cousins plays great and the Skins make a real playoff run, and plays very well at the start of next year, maybe all of next year, do you think they'll bench him once RG3 is healthy?
 
2013-01-07 04:42:14 PM  

Lost Thought 00: MugzyBrown: Why shouldn't RG3 get a big part of the blame? He's the one who said he could play.

They would have lost anyway.

Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on. With that in mind, they can literally be on death's door, and they will never voluntarily take themselves out.


Just ask Alex Smith.
 
2013-01-07 04:42:34 PM  
Keeping RG3 in was stupid. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were pointing out how stupid it was to keep him in long before he got hurt.

YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, SHANAHAN?! YOU MADE AGREE WITH JOE BUCK AND TROY AIKMAN!!! >:O
 
2013-01-07 04:49:26 PM  
In a world where ESPN can do a segment on player concussions and head injuries and follow it up with another segment of JACKED UP, this isn't surprising.
 
2013-01-07 04:50:57 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Maybe, but it's not unheard of. If Cousins plays great and the Skins make a real playoff run, and plays very well at the start of next year, maybe all of next year, do you think they'll bench him once RG3 is healthy?


I'm pretty sure someone in the league would put him on their roster.
 
2013-01-07 05:15:42 PM  

Lost Thought 00: IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on.

I don't think they're going to sit the guy they traded first-round draft picks and threw in two more first rounders and a second-rounder for after one season if he's healthy.

Hell, they apparently wouldn't sit him if he had a peg leg.

Maybe, but it's not unheard of. If Cousins plays great and the Skins make a real playoff run, and plays very well at the start of next year, maybe all of next year, do you think they'll bench him once RG3 is healthy?


no, they'd probably trade cousins.
 
2013-01-07 05:20:02 PM  

Captain Steroid: ***SNIP***

YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, SHANAHAN?! YOU MADE AGREE WITH JOE BUCK AND TROY AIKMAN!!! >:O


And you'd be right, but just this one time. ;)
 
2013-01-07 05:22:15 PM  

inner ted: running him back out after he freaking LIMPED his way to the sideline on a running play - pathetic & you officially suck at life and as a coach.


This. I honestly thought after that play the only way coaches are going to stop making stupid decisions like this is if RG3 gets a big injury. If he toughed it out and the Redskins ended up winning, it would only serve to validate these stupid decisions.

Lost Thought 00: Maybe, but it's not unheard of. If Cousins plays great and the Skins make a real playoff run, and plays very well at the start of next year, maybe all of next year, do you think they'll bench him once RG3 is healthy?


So you think Cousins would have outplayed him so much that RG3 gets benched? A shot in the dark but okay, it is theoretically possible. But you think there is any chance at all ever that RG3 will ride the bench next year to Cousins? Nope, none whatsoever. If he gets benched at Washington, he demands a trade. I think there are a few teams out there that would be happy to have him start for them.
 
2013-01-07 05:56:40 PM  

error 303: In a world where ESPN can do a segment on player concussions and head injuries and follow it up with another segment of JACKED UP, this isn't surprising.


Tebow Almighty, if you're trolling, you're terrible at it. Otherwise you're a farking moron. Jacked up hasn't aired in five years.
 
2013-01-07 05:58:18 PM  

MugzyBrown: The Bestest: MugzyBrown: If he's supposed to a good passer as well as runner, he wasn't any slower than Tom Brady is on any day.

Yep. Effective passers don't use their legs at all in their throwing motion.

McNabb once threw 4 or 5 TDs on a broken ankle.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-07 05:58:34 PM  
Hai Guyz! We talking about sitting out a game in this thread?

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2013-01-07 06:00:28 PM  

IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on.

I don't think they're going to sit the guy they traded first-round draft picks and threw in two more first rounders and a second-rounder for after one season if he's healthy.

Hell, they apparently wouldn't sit him if he had a peg leg.


His knee will never be the same.

It would have been better for him to blow his knee out and have it fixed.

A fixed knee is stronger (in a 23 year old) than an injured knee.
 
rka
2013-01-07 06:18:02 PM  
Big Ben is a walking MASH unit by the end of the year. He's a warrior. Romo plays with broken ribs and he's a hero to a few special Farkers. Jay Cutler sits in the NFC Championship game and half the country, including fellow NFL'ers, call him a pussy. Matt Stafford plays throws a game winning TD with a separated shoulder and they play the highlight for years.
 
2013-01-07 06:20:34 PM  

rka: Big Ben is a walking MASH unit by the end of the year. He's a warrior. Romo plays with broken ribs and he's a hero to a few special Farkers. Jay Cutler sits in the NFC Championship game and half the country, including fellow NFL'ers, call him a pussy. Matt Stafford plays throws a game winning TD with a separated shoulder and they play the highlight for years.


People were calling Cutler a pussy -before- that.
 
2013-01-07 06:30:10 PM  

rka: Big Ben is a walking MASH unit by the end of the year. He's a warrior. Romo plays with broken ribs and he's a hero to a few special Farkers. Jay Cutler sits in the NFC Championship game and half the country, including fellow NFL'ers, call him a pussy. Matt Stafford plays throws a game winning TD with a separated shoulder and they play the highlight for years.


Those guys weren't lying about the extent of their injuries.
 
2013-01-07 07:47:48 PM  

rka: Big Ben is a walking MASH unit by the end of the year. He's a warrior. Romo plays with broken ribs and he's a hero to a few special Farkers. Jay Cutler sits in the NFC Championship game and half the country, including fellow NFL'ers, call him a pussy. Matt Stafford plays throws a game winning TD with a separated shoulder and they play the highlight for years.


Bingo. Gladiator mentality. I hate Shannahan as much as any sane NFL fan, but RGIII could have taken himself out of the game at any time.
 
2013-01-07 08:17:22 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Maybe, but it's not unheard of. If Cousins plays great and the Skins make a real playoff run, and plays very well at the start of next year, maybe all of next year, do you think they'll bench him once RG3 is healthy?


Yes. And then they'd trade Cousins away.

Literally the only thing Cousins could do to keep the starting job for the Redskins once RG3 returns is win the Superbowl AND have a passer rating over 100. Just one of those would not be enough.
 
2013-01-07 09:41:29 PM  

poughdrew: rka: Big Ben is a walking MASH unit by the end of the year. He's a warrior. Romo plays with broken ribs and he's a hero to a few special Farkers. Jay Cutler sits in the NFC Championship game and half the country, including fellow NFL'ers, call him a pussy. Matt Stafford plays throws a game winning TD with a separated shoulder and they play the highlight for years.

Bingo. Gladiator mentality. I hate Shannahan as much as any sane NFL fan, but RGIII could have taken himself out of the game at any time.


What nonsense spin-doctoring this type of thinking is. It's very simple: Mike Shanahan is the coach, and he's the man responsible for making all the big decisions. RGIII, no matter how highly you think of him, is merely a player and makes virtually none of the big decisions. Sure, RGIII could have taken himself out, but it's not his job to do so. That's the coach's job, and in this respect, the coach failed miserably. You don't even have to argue that on grounds of how injured he may or may not have been, you can simply look at the effectiveness of his play through the second and third quarters.

Shanahan screwed the pooch, period, end of discussion. It's unbelievable that anyone would defend him in this.
 
2013-01-07 10:14:00 PM  

poughdrew: rka: Big Ben is a walking MASH unit by the end of the year. He's a warrior. Romo plays with broken ribs and he's a hero to a few special Farkers. Jay Cutler sits in the NFC Championship game and half the country, including fellow NFL'ers, call him a pussy. Matt Stafford plays throws a game winning TD with a separated shoulder and they play the highlight for years.

Bingo. Gladiator mentality. I hate Shannahan as much as any sane NFL fan, but RGIII could have taken himself out of the game at any time.


You aren't thinking like a guy who's played organized football 16 out of 22 years of his life.

Earl Campbell (look him up) played his way into a wheelchair before he was 50.

Players are expected to play through pain, it's the coaches' job to avoid injuries.
 
rka
2013-01-07 10:35:42 PM  

Komplex: Players are expected to play through pain, it's the coaches' job to avoid injuries.


Avoid injuries? No.

Win games? Yes.

You can argue that short term gains aren't worth long term consequences but don't try to say a coaches job is to avoid injuries. That's bunk.
 
2013-01-07 10:36:27 PM  

Broktun: IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on.

I don't think they're going to sit the guy they traded first-round draft picks and threw in two more first rounders and a second-rounder for after one season if he's healthy.

Hell, they apparently wouldn't sit him if he had a peg leg.

His knee will never be the same.

It would have been better for him to blow his knee out and have it fixed.

A fixed knee is stronger (in a 23 year old) than an injured knee.


Tore my acl as a 23 y/o so I'm getting a kick...

/no, its not nearly as good nearly 2 years later.
 
2013-01-07 10:41:16 PM  

karmachameleon: Bingo. Gladiator mentality. I hate Shannahan as much as any sane NFL fan, but RGIII could have taken himself out of the game at any time.

What nonsense spin-doctoring this type of thinking is. It's very simple: Mike Shanahan is the coach, and he's the man responsible for making all the big decisions. RGIII, no matter how highly you think of him, is merely a player and makes virtually none of the big decisions. Sure, RGIII could have taken himself out, but it's not his job to do so. That's the coach's job, and in this respect, the coach failed miserably. You don't even have to argue that on grounds of how injured he may or may not have been, you can simply look at the effectiveness of his play through the second and third quarters.

Shanahan screwed the pooch, period, end of discussion. It's unbelievable that anyone would defend him in this.


I'm not defending Shanahan. He's an idiot and deserves to get fired, well for many reasons actually (such as fielding a team where the QBs are a washed up Grossman and a washed up McNabb,) but this specifically would be one of may such reasons. Coach didn't give his team the best chance to win, and it was obvious to everyone. But to say RG3 is some innocent bystander here, dude should have taken himself out the game even if his coach is some evil asshole forcing him to play hurt.
 
2013-01-07 10:57:30 PM  

rka: Komplex: Players are expected to play through pain, it's the coaches' job to avoid injuries.

Avoid injuries? No.

Win games? Yes.

You can argue that short term gains aren't worth long term consequences but don't try to say a coaches job is to avoid injuries. That's bunk.


Good thing we've removed the "be a decent human being" from all job descriptions. I thought it was because it should be assumed; apparently it's because it doesn't matter.
 
rka
2013-01-07 11:07:13 PM  

IAmRight: Good thing we've removed the "be a decent human being" from all job descriptions.


Removed? I'd argue it was never in the description for a NFL coach to begin with.

The only reason you stop young men from hurting themselves in the job we call professional football is that it might cost you more games down the road. Hell, the good coaches don't even have to ask. Players will, in their own words, "run through a brick wall for the man". That's not healthy.
 
2013-01-07 11:24:35 PM  
This whole "The should've taken out RG3!" is the douchiest take.

And where is the "A small running quarterback with a history of knee injuries suffered a knee injury before he could finish a season. Surprise!" takes?

I feel like that's the real story. I can't wait for either Kaepernick or Wilson or both to get knocked out in playoff games.

This is why you pocket pass people.

Go Romo.
 
2013-01-07 11:30:38 PM  

thecpt: Broktun: IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Players know that if they EVER voluntarily step off the field, they very well may never be allowed back on.

I don't think they're going to sit the guy they traded first-round draft picks and threw in two more first rounders and a second-rounder for after one season if he's healthy.

Hell, they apparently wouldn't sit him if he had a peg leg.

His knee will never be the same.

It would have been better for him to blow his knee out and have it fixed.

A fixed knee is stronger (in a 23 year old) than an injured knee.

Tore my acl as a 23 y/o so I'm getting a kick...

/no, its not nearly as good nearly 2 years later.


oooh, me too. Wait until you get the chronic pain 9-10 years later. Good times, good times.

Seriously, if you are of normal weight now, do everything in your power to stay that way. If you are overweight, lose it now that you are 25 instead of waiting until you're 35. It's a lot harder later. And get some workouts that will reinforce the muscles holding the knee together. That reconstructed knee, under excess load, will turn into a mass of crunching daily pain down the road. And it's not like I'm like the Steelers girl, but I've been carrying between 5 and 30 pounds over my ideal weight since the operation, and now my knee is all kinds of farked up.
 
2013-01-08 01:39:36 AM  

parazen: This whole "The should've taken out RG3!" is the douchiest take.

And where is the "A small running quarterback with a history of knee injuries suffered a knee injury before he could finish a season. Surprise!" takes?

I feel like that's the real story. I can't wait for either Kaepernick or Wilson or both to get knocked out in playoff games.

This is why you pocket pass people.

Go Romo.


Know how I know Romo isn't going to get knocked out of a playoff game?
 
2013-01-08 07:11:39 AM  

parazen: I feel like that's the real story. I can't wait for either Kaepernick or Wilson or both to get knocked out in playoff games.

This is why you pocket pass people.

Go Romo.



2 things. 1: Wilson is a pocket passer.  He just is able to make plays with his feet when he has to.  2. see Tickle Mittens post.
 
2013-01-08 09:31:45 AM  
I think it would interesting to compare what people are saying about RG3 to what they said about Cutler coming out of the 2010 conference championship game. Ditto for Smith/Shanahan.
 
2013-01-08 10:12:42 AM  
Oh, and RG3 is delusional if he thought him playing hurt gave the Skins the best chance to win.

Take the bad snap play, Cousins would have easily picked up or covered the ball. Skins were only down 7 points with 4 minutes left. Instead, RG3 went down like a sack of potatoes and the game was over.

Does Cousins lead the Redskins to a 90 yard touchdown drive? Not sure.
 
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