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(National Review)   Mark Sanford is set to announce his plan to run for Congress, where he hopes to join the House Committee on Foreign Affairs   (nationalreview.com) divider line 30
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2013-01-07 02:30:56 PM  
5 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


Mark Sanford is a member of The Family.

The Family believes its members are chosen by God to do great things.  So these moral lapses are to be forgiven, because He has greater plans for them.  It allows them to do all sorts of bad things.  Moral consistency is merely a quaint idea in their world.

While The Family and its henchmen were counseling Jenny Sanford to stay with that weak, pathetic POS, they were also arranging bribes to John Ensign's mistress and her husband, and setting up a little love shack for Chip Pickering.

Morals, like laws and taxes in their mind, are for the little people.
2013-01-07 02:18:13 PM  
4 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


f#@k you, that's how.

Seriously, I love that he's already spoken out against gay marriage... because if there's anyone to lecture me on how offensive and invalid my relationship is, it's a guy who uses state funds to go cheat on his wife.
2013-01-07 03:06:43 PM  
3 votes:

Diogenes: AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?

Mark Sanford is a member of The Family.

The Family believes its members are chosen by God to do great things.  So these moral lapses are to be forgiven, because He has greater plans for them.  It allows them to do all sorts of bad things.  Moral consistency is merely a quaint idea in their world.

While The Family and its henchmen were counseling Jenny Sanford to stay with that weak, pathetic POS, they were also arranging bribes to John Ensign's mistress and her husband, and setting up a little love shack for Chip Pickering.

Morals, like laws and taxes in their mind, are for the little people.


The Family scares me just because they are the next logical step in the Prosperity Gospel movement. Saw an interview with a former member probably 5 years ago where he said during his initiation his mentor was explaining about all the people in the Old Testament who committed horrible acts but did not lose God's favor in the process. Why? Because they were God's Chosen People, so they had his implicit blessing. Even though they did things we might consider evil, God approved of them. Ultimately, only God knows what is right and what is wrong, so we have only our success or failures in this life to determine if God approves or disapproves of our actions.

The Prosperity Gospel says that succeeding in life is a sign of one's piety, that those who do good are rewarded and those who do evil are punished in life as well as the afterlife. These jokers say that we really can't know for sure what God would find to be good or evil, so success in life is the sign that whatever you have done to get there has been what God wanted you to do. It's LaVey Satanism with an extra scoop of righteous indignation when you point out how heartless it is.
2013-01-07 02:19:31 PM  
3 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?



Everyone knows the answer to this one -- After one visit by the perpetrator to a Southern Baptist or white folks' Pentecostal church plus a little token tearful blubbering in front of the cameras, it's erased from memory.
2013-01-07 05:01:20 PM  
2 votes:

Allen. The end.: OK, can I use this?


You might appreciate reading both of Jeff Sharlett's books:   The Family, and C-Street.
2013-01-07 03:49:31 PM  
2 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


The same way Bristol Palin's offspring is a mirakul from Gawd and she's a mature, responsible woman for choosing not to abort it. Those other single teen moms are just whores who deserve whatever happens since they're just going to be useless welfare queens anyway.
2013-01-07 03:41:19 PM  
2 votes:

Esc7: both you guys are really depressing me this monday. If there is one thing that I think is the most threatening to our structure of government it is this unholy blend of craven, ends justify the means, amoral power lusting combined with righteous indignation and religious pandering. Seriously it scares me more than ANY other thing. It's a political apex predator.


I hear you.  But look at it this way:  this group tries very hard to operate under the radar.  The more we look at them and talk about them, the more we deny them one of their greatest weapons:  secrecy.  The conspiracy nuts, much like many conservatives, are fighting imaginary threats.  The Family is a very real one, and is as close to a true (and successful) secret society you'll find.  They despise democracy.
2013-01-07 03:04:18 PM  
2 votes:

GhostFish: I care less about the affair than the fact that he used public funds and resources to carry it out.

This is the kind of fiscal responsibility that Republicans want?


You sound like a republican. I understand your predicament. Now, let's do the calculus and solve for why? Was it productive for Newt Gingrinch and a republican congress to spend $75 million of public taxpayer dollars over 4 years to find out that Bill Clinton did not profit from a real estate deal in the 70's, but was in fact, getting blowjobs from an intern in the 90's? For comparative research, see the $3 million of public funds appropriated by the subsequent republican congress to investigate, after despairing widows shamed them into, the intelligence failures that led to 9/11.
2013-01-07 02:24:05 PM  
2 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


Same as with Gingrich.

As long as the guy is white and says he's real sorry, that he's repented and sought good ol' buddy Christ for help - he's golden.
2013-01-07 02:21:09 PM  
2 votes:
It's not even the values hypocrisy so much as he lied to his staff and his constituents about his official activities. Repeatedly. How the fark can you even show your face in public, let alone run for office again? I realize that the modern GOP/Tea Party has no capacity for shame, but good lord, how can you claim the moral high ground on anything if this guy is your representative?
2013-01-07 02:20:38 PM  
2 votes:
I care less about the affair than the fact that he used public funds and resources to carry it out.

This is the kind of fiscal responsibility that Republicans want?
2013-01-07 02:12:18 PM  
2 votes:
How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?
2013-01-07 02:03:46 PM  
2 votes:
" former South Carolina Gov."

That's as far as the NRO chose to delve into Sanford's history.

Fair and balanced!
2013-01-07 06:10:42 PM  
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: Grungehamster: The Prosperity Gospel says that succeeding in life is a sign of one's piety, that those who do good are rewarded and those who do evil are punished in life as well as the afterlife. These jokers say that we really can't know for sure what God would find to be good or evil, so success in life is the sign that whatever you have done to get there has been what God wanted you to do. It's LaVey Satanism with an extra scoop of righteous indignation when you point out how heartless it is.

I guess this absolves them of any responsibility to actually, like, you know, live their lives in accordance with the teachings of their faith, right?

Where have we seen that before?


I was trying to find the article I saw before (it was definitely during the 2008 campaign because people were using it to criticize how chummy Hillary Clinton was with the group in the primaries), but to give you an idea:

Attempting to explain what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David was - or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate - he asked a young man who'd put himself, body and soul, under the Family's authority, "Let's say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you?" The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was a monster. "No," answered Coe, "I wouldn't." Why? Because, as a member of the Family, he's among what Family leaders refer to as the "new chosen." If you're chosen, the normal rules don't apply.
2013-01-07 03:55:40 PM  
1 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


You can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves in to.
2013-01-07 03:26:07 PM  
1 votes:

Grungehamster: Diogenes: AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?

Mark Sanford is a member of The Family.

The Family believes its members are chosen by God to do great things.  So these moral lapses are to be forgiven, because He has greater plans for them.  It allows them to do all sorts of bad things.  Moral consistency is merely a quaint idea in their world.

While The Family and its henchmen were counseling Jenny Sanford to stay with that weak, pathetic POS, they were also arranging bribes to John Ensign's mistress and her husband, and setting up a little love shack for Chip Pickering.

Morals, like laws and taxes in their mind, are for the little people.

The Family scares me just because they are the next logical step in the Prosperity Gospel movement. Saw an interview with a former member probably 5 years ago where he said during his initiation his mentor was explaining about all the people in the Old Testament who committed horrible acts but did not lose God's favor in the process. Why? Because they were God's Chosen People, so they had his implicit blessing. Even though they did things we might consider evil, God approved of them. Ultimately, only God knows what is right and what is wrong, so we have only our success or failures in this life to determine if God approves or disapproves of our actions.

The Prosperity Gospel says that succeeding in life is a sign of one's piety, that those who do good are rewarded and those who do evil are punished in life as well as the afterlife. These jokers say that we really can't know for sure what God would find to be good or evil, so success in life is the sign that whatever you have done to get there has been what God wanted you to do. It's LaVey Satanism with an extra scoop of righteous indignation when you point out how heartless it is.


I've done much reading on them and their history and I'd say you nailed it.

And it allows them to support some of history's greatest monsters:  Suharto, Aristide, and yes, even Hitler (the man knew how to run an operation!).

And don't be fooled by Tom Coburn's occasional appearances of sanity and rationality.  He's a key member, and a valuable face man.  He, too, has ties to The Family's ongoing efforts in making Uganda's "kill the gays" agenda a reality.
2013-01-07 02:54:11 PM  
1 votes:

aevert: EyeballKid: [thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com image 334x512]
SOUTH CAROLINA VOTERS
Yep, they're that stupid.

Hey, now. I voted for Alvin Green. But then again I only did it for the lulz.


I voted for him because I thought a probably retarded, unemployed, living with his father, horndog whose method of 'breaking the ice' borders on criminal would probably be more responsible and honest than Jim DeMint.
2013-01-07 02:49:41 PM  
1 votes:

AeAe: Diogenes: AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?

Mark Sanford is a member of The Family.

The Family believes its members are chosen by God to do great things.  So these moral lapses are to be forgiven, because He has greater plans for them.  It allows them to do all sorts of bad things.  Moral consistency is merely a quaint idea in their world.

While The Family and its henchmen were counseling Jenny Sanford to stay with that weak, pathetic POS, they were also arranging bribes to John Ensign's mistress and her husband, and setting up a little love shack for Chip Pickering.

Morals, like laws and taxes in their mind, are for the little people.

That affair should have torpedoed any chance for future public office. I guess we'll see what happens if he's successful in his congressional bid.


In today's society nothing matters except celebrity.

Mark Sanford is famous. Just like Kim Kardashian. It doesn't matter what he's famous for, or what his views are, or what he DID. In fact his affair probably has HELPED his political career by giving him publicity. Try and wrap your head around that.

If he's part of this powerful conglomeration of evangelical Republicans that have lots to gain with him in power, you can bet your sweet ass they'll try and push him through the primary where nothing matters except how much you'll "stick it to the libs." Then he'll handily win against any democrat in his red state because his affair won't be enough to cause moderate voters to switch.

Without knowing his primary opponents, i'd put his chances at higher than 50%
2013-01-07 02:43:35 PM  
1 votes:

Brick-House: [itsallsatire247.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]


You big dummy!
2013-01-07 02:41:11 PM  
1 votes:
Here's some fun reading for y'all:

Why Sanford didn't resign: He's just like King David

Sanford's press briefing on the affair:   Transcript
2013-01-07 02:32:11 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: Mark Sanford is a member of The Family.

The Family believes its members are chosen by God to do great things. So these moral lapses are to be forgiven, because He has greater plans for them. It allows them to do all sorts of bad things. Moral consistency is merely a quaint idea in their world.

While The Family and its henchmen were counseling Jenny Sanford to stay with that weak, pathetic POS, they were also arranging bribes to John Ensign's mistress and her husband, and setting up a little love shack for Chip Pickering.

Morals, like laws and taxes in their mind, are for the little people.


Didn't the Family also keep mum on fellow member David Vitter's whore problem?
2013-01-07 02:27:31 PM  
1 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


And this guy didn't even say he was sorry about it. He continued his affair.

They say "well at least he admits it's wrong". Being a hypocrite makes it ok to them.
2013-01-07 02:25:51 PM  
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: It's not even the values hypocrisy so much as he lied to his staff and his constituents about his official activities. Repeatedly. How the fark can you even show your face in public, let alone run for office again? I realize that the modern GOP/Tea Party has no capacity for shame, but good lord, how can you claim the moral high ground on anything if this guy is your representative?


He also snubbed his children on Father's day in order to be with his Argentinian mistress.

That's farking cold.
2013-01-07 02:24:42 PM  
1 votes:
For true hilarity consider this: he may end up running against his ex-wife
2013-01-07 02:23:56 PM  
1 votes:

Karac: EyeballKid: [thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com image 334x512]
SOUTH CAROLINA VOTERS
Yep, they're that stupid.

The guy Alvin Greene ran against just resigned a third of the way through his term.
So stupid to vote for someone that actually wants the job an obvious patsy hand-picked by Jim DeMint.



/ftfy
2013-01-07 02:14:35 PM  
1 votes:
Seven days in, and we already have the headline of the year.
2013-01-07 02:14:05 PM  
1 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


Cognitive Dissonance. Newt Gingrich ring a bell?

Also, submitter is awesome.
2013-01-07 02:13:53 PM  
1 votes:

AeAe: How do conservative voters reconcile their 'family values' with regard to an admitted adulterer?


They cheat on their wives because they love their country so much.
2013-01-07 02:05:25 PM  
1 votes:
0.tqn.com
2013-01-07 01:32:53 PM  
1 votes:

SmackLT: El_Frijole_Blanco: **********golf clap

I'm missing the joke. What's the reference?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford_disappearance_and_extramar it al_affair

He was "hiking the Appalachian trail" all the way to some Argentine strange...
 
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