DamnYankees: I don't understand this idea that the debt ceiling is 'leverage'.
Vodka Zombie: Shoot the hostage.
Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: Shoot the hostage....and THEN negotiate! because the GOP is hardcore like that.
SlothB77: Our country will be bankrupt within 15 years
SlothB77: The GOP is scared of taking credit of spending cuts. Our country will be bankrupt within 15 years. And if you think the poor is neglected now, just wait until we run out of money for everything.
mrshowrules: SlothB77: The GOP is scared of taking credit of spending cuts. Our country will be bankrupt within 15 years. And if you think the poor is neglected now, just wait until we run out of money for everything.If you ever get a GOP POTUS again, debt will no longer be an issue.
SlothB77: Our country will be bankrupt within 15 years.
Dusk-You-n-Me: SlothB77: Our country will be bankrupt within 15 years.Literally impossible.
Dusk-You-n-Me: The choices it will face quickly become stark. It can cover interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense spending, education, food stamps and other low-income transfers, and a handful of other programs, but doing all that will mean defaulting on everything - really, everything - else. The FBI will shut down. The people responsible for tracking down loose nukes will lose their jobs. The prisons won't operate. The biomedical researchers won't be funded. The court system will close its doors. The tax refunds won't go out. The Federal Aviation Administration will go offline. The parks will close. Food safety inspections will cease.This is the difference between a debt-ceiling shutdown and a government shutdown. As Shai Akabas, a research at the Bipartisan Policy Center, puts it, "in a government shutdown, the government is shutting down future obligations. With the debt ceiling, They've already obligated the money. They owe these people the payments now, and they can't make them."This is what would happen if we breach the debt ceiling
CPennypacker: Time to mint the coin
vernonFL: Why don't we create a blue ribbon panel, a national commission to study the problem of fiscal responsibility and reform?The panel could make recommendations and then we could follow the plan that they put out?
EvilEgg: CPennypacker: Time to mint the coinThere is no way Obama will do it. He has never dropped the hammer on them, and he won't now.
dudemanbro: Burn GOP and national media, burn in hell.
Grand_Moff_Joseph: Good job telegraphing your plan, idiots.
NateGrey: Actually this one is better:[img4.allvoices.com image 609x480]
CPennypacker: EvilEgg: CPennypacker: Time to mint the coinThere is no way Obama will do it. He has never dropped the hammer on them, and he won't now.No time like the present to nut up.Threaten to mint the coin and then offer the house a deal:The president relinquishes the power to mint coins in exchange for abolishing the debt ceiling.
Dusk-You-n-Me: DamnYankees: I don't understand this idea that the debt ceiling is 'leverage'.It really isn't. The media is treating this as if this is a normal way of doing things. It is not. It is, not counting the last time we went through this last year, unprecedented. Spending cuts (something the GOP wants) "in exchange" for raising the debt ceiling (something that has to happen. Period. Full stop) is not a negotiation. The media is treating it like it is. Because they're so liberal, you see.
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